History YMMV / SwampThing

24th May '16 5:40:14 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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* FanonDisContinuity: People tend to view the series solely in terms of the Creator/AlanMoore run, which may be because the rest of it has either never been collected in trade form or is otherwise notoriously difficult to find. It's generally accepted that the Wrightson-Wein run is pretty good and that the tail end of the Plasko run is required reading to fully get the Alan Moore run, while the Creator/BrianKVaughan run...isn't.

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* FanonDisContinuity: FanonDiscontinuity: People tend to view the series solely in terms of the Creator/AlanMoore run, which may be because the rest of it has either never been collected in trade form or is otherwise notoriously difficult to find. It's generally accepted that the Wrightson-Wein run is pretty good and that the tail end of the Plasko run is required reading to fully get the Alan Moore run, while the Creator/BrianKVaughan run...isn't.
4th Apr '16 4:19:16 PM WanderingBrowser
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** In the New 52, Anton Arcane's new incarnation is a being of boundless cruelty. In his pursuit of immortality, Arcane took over the elemental force of The Rot, [[DarkIsNotEvil the natural force of death and decay]] and subsumed it to his will. Arcane extends the Rot to devour all that lives and trap the world in deathless limbo he can rule. Arcane even forced his own nephew to be the Rot's avatar, devouring his mind from within. In Arcane's battles with Swamp Thing, Alec Holland saw a future where Arcane gruesomely tortured and beheaded Abigail and saw lobotomized clones Arcane had made of her as cannon fodder.

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** In the New 52, Anton Arcane's new incarnation is a being of boundless cruelty. In his pursuit of immortality, Arcane took over the elemental force of The Rot, [[DarkIsNotEvil the natural force of death and decay]] and subsumed it to his will. Arcane extends the Rot to devour all that lives and trap the world in deathless limbo he can rule. Arcane even forced his own nephew to be the Rot's avatar, devouring his mind from within. In Arcane's battles with Swamp Thing, Alec Holland saw a future where Arcane gruesomely tortured and beheaded Abigail and saw lobotomized clones Arcane had made of her as cannon fodder. He's so damn ''awful'' that The Rot itself secretly goes behind his back to ally with Swamp Thing so they can oust him for an avatar that ''isn't'' such a monster.
10th Oct '15 10:13:34 AM nombretomado
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* InvincibleVillain: Arcane during the {{New 52}} with new re-imagined Rot based powers that allow him to instantly kill, turn undead, and take control of any living thing that has even a single dead cell in it, anywhere in the entire world at any time. There are no functional limits to this power, only that champions of the Green and Red can sometimes resist it, but even then Arcane can just steal somebody's appearance and kill them before they can attack. He is also effectively unkillable as he can just reform a body from any corpse. Add to the fact that he's been around for centuries, effortlessly killing champions of both the Green and Red, until finally [[spoiler: infecting and taking over the entire world in the Rotworld segment along with killing and cloning Abby]]. He only loses not through any action of the heroes, when he's declared to be TOO successful as a villain, and [[spoiler: the Parliament of Rot withdraws their support and allow them to rewind time to before his victory]].

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* InvincibleVillain: Arcane during the {{New ComicBook/{{New 52}} with new re-imagined Rot based powers that allow him to instantly kill, turn undead, and take control of any living thing that has even a single dead cell in it, anywhere in the entire world at any time. There are no functional limits to this power, only that champions of the Green and Red can sometimes resist it, but even then Arcane can just steal somebody's appearance and kill them before they can attack. He is also effectively unkillable as he can just reform a body from any corpse. Add to the fact that he's been around for centuries, effortlessly killing champions of both the Green and Red, until finally [[spoiler: infecting and taking over the entire world in the Rotworld segment along with killing and cloning Abby]]. He only loses not through any action of the heroes, when he's declared to be TOO successful as a villain, and [[spoiler: the Parliament of Rot withdraws their support and allow them to rewind time to before his victory]].
6th Aug '15 3:38:45 PM MagBas
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** Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment, piles of UnfortunateImplications and the fact that it later came out that much of it was plotted (uncredited) by Creator/GrantMorrison to give the inexperienced Millar a leg up in the industry.

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** Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment, piles of UnfortunateImplications and the fact that it later came out that much of it was plotted (uncredited) by Creator/GrantMorrison to give the inexperienced Millar a leg up in the industry.
7th Jun '15 10:22:44 PM GoldenSeals
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* FanonDisContinuity: People tend to view the series solely in terms of the Creator/AlanMoore run, which may partly be due to the fact that the rest of it has either never been collected in trade form or is otherwise notoriously difficult to find. It's generally accepted that the Wrightson-Wein run is pretty good and that the tail end of the Plasko run is required reading to fully get the Alan Moore run, while the Creator/BrianKVaughan run...isn't.

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* FanonDisContinuity: People tend to view the series solely in terms of the Creator/AlanMoore run, which may partly be due to the fact that because the rest of it has either never been collected in trade form or is otherwise notoriously difficult to find. It's generally accepted that the Wrightson-Wein run is pretty good and that the tail end of the Plasko run is required reading to fully get the Alan Moore run, while the Creator/BrianKVaughan run...isn't.



** Nancy Collins' run has its share of (mild) detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run with a Swamp Thing that was (relatively) mainstream-friendly and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs, as she concentrated more on CharacterDevelopment, exploration of Cajun culture and an expanded supporting cast than horror. (Though it's worth noting [[ApprovalOfGod Alan Moore was a fan of her work on the character.]])

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** Nancy Collins' run has its share of (mild) detractors due to the fact that detractors; she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run with a Swamp Thing that was (relatively) mainstream-friendly and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs, as she concentrated more on CharacterDevelopment, exploration of Cajun culture and an expanded supporting cast than horror. (Though it's worth noting [[ApprovalOfGod Alan Moore was a fan of her work on the character.]])
20th Mar '15 6:08:31 AM moloch
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** Doug Wheeler's run often falls into this almost by accident, since it was the only run to be utterly ''forgettable''. Even with the benefit of hindsight it doesn't really have any fans.
** Nancy Collins' run has its share of (mild) detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run with a Swamp Thing that was (relatively) mainstream-friendly and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs, as she concentrated more on CharacterDevelopment and an expanded supporting cast than horror.
** Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment, and the fact that it later came out that much of it was plotted (uncredited) by Creator/GrantMorrison to give the inexperienced Millar a leg up in the industry.

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** Doug Wheeler's run often falls into this almost by accident, since it was the only run to be totally and utterly ''forgettable''. Even with the benefit of hindsight it doesn't really have any fans.
** Nancy Collins' run has its share of (mild) detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run with a Swamp Thing that was (relatively) mainstream-friendly and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs, as she concentrated more on CharacterDevelopment CharacterDevelopment, exploration of Cajun culture and an expanded supporting cast than horror.
horror. (Though it's worth noting [[ApprovalOfGod Alan Moore was a fan of her work on the character.]])
** Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment, piles of UnfortunateImplications and the fact that it later came out that much of it was plotted (uncredited) by Creator/GrantMorrison to give the inexperienced Millar a leg up in the industry.
20th Mar '15 6:05:11 AM moloch
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** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' was this for the character, effectively declaring ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' and ''The Search For Swamp Thing'' non-canon after the mini-series killed off Swamp Thing in favor of Creator/GeoffJohns's hack decision to invalidate the Creator/AlanMoore version of the character by killing off Swamp Thing as written by Alan Moore and replacing him with Alec Holland, who is resurrected SOLELY so he could be turned into Swamp Thing via deux ex machina.
*** Even Creator/AlanMoore attempted to back peddle (or sidestep the issue since) with his retcon of Swamp Thing's origin by essentially having Abby and everyone else still treat Swamp Thing as Alec Holland. Later writers essentially took the stance that Swamp Thing, for all intents and purposes IS Alec Holland, insofar that he's a plant clone of him with all of his memories and personality, even if the real Alec Holland is dead.

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** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' was this for the character, effectively declaring ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' and ''The Search For Swamp Thing'' non-canon after the that mini-series killed off Swamp Thing in favor of Creator/GeoffJohns's hack decision to invalidate the Creator/AlanMoore version of the character by Creator/AlanMoore's work, killing off Swamp Thing as written by Alan Moore and replacing him with Alec Holland, who is was resurrected SOLELY so he could be turned into Swamp Thing via deux ''deus ex machina.machina''.
*** Even Creator/AlanMoore attempted to back peddle (or sidestep the issue since) with soft-pedal his retcon of Swamp Thing's origin by essentially having Abby and everyone else still treat Swamp Thing Swampie as Alec Holland. Later writers essentially took the stance that Swamp Thing, for all intents and purposes IS ''is'' Alec Holland, insofar that he's a plant clone of him with all of his memories and personality, even if the real Alec Holland is dead.
17th Jan '15 10:07:24 AM moloch
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** Nancy Collins' run has its share of detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run with a Swamp Thing that was (relatively) mainstream-friendly and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs.
** Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment and the fact that it later came out that he only wrote a handful of issues of the series while the rest of the Millar run was ghost written by Creator/GrantMorrison.

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** Doug Wheeler's run often falls into this almost by accident, since it was the only run to be utterly ''forgettable''. Even with the benefit of hindsight it doesn't really have any fans.
** Nancy Collins' run has its share of (mild) detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run with a Swamp Thing that was (relatively) mainstream-friendly and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs.
runs, as she concentrated more on CharacterDevelopment and an expanded supporting cast than horror.
** Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment derailment, and the fact that it later came out that he only wrote a handful much of issues of it was plotted (uncredited) by Creator/GrantMorrison to give the series while the rest of the inexperienced Millar run was ghost written by Creator/GrantMorrison.a leg up in the industry.
17th Jan '15 9:36:38 AM moloch
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** Nancy Collins' run has it's share of detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run and wrote, pretty much, a Swamp Thing that was mainstream friendly and along the lines of the Wes Craven film and the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs. Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment and the fact that it later came out that he only wrote a handful of issues of the series while the rest of the Millar run was ghost written by Creator/GrantMorrison.

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** Nancy Collins' run has it's its share of detractors due to the fact that she basically reset the series back to the end of Alan Moore's run and wrote, pretty much, with a Swamp Thing that was mainstream friendly (relatively) mainstream-friendly and along the lines of the Wes Craven film and akin to the Wrightson/Wein and Plasko runs. runs.
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Creator/MarkMillar's run too falls into this line as well, given his character derailment and the fact that it later came out that he only wrote a handful of issues of the series while the rest of the Millar run was ghost written by Creator/GrantMorrison.
28th Aug '14 8:39:50 PM twingle93
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* InvincibleVillain: Arcane during the {{New 52}} with new re-imagined Rot based powers that allow him to instantly kill, turn undead, and take control of any living thing that has even a single dead cell in it, anywhere in the entire world at any time. There are no functional limits to this power, only that champions of the Green and Red can sometimes resist it. He is also effectively unkillable as he can just reform a body from any corpse. Add to the fact that he's been around for centuries, effortlessly killing champions of both the Green and Red, until finally [[spoiler: infecting and taking over the entire world in the Rotworld segment along with killing and cloning Abby]]. He only loses not through any action of the heroes, when he's declared to be TOO successful as a villain, and [[spoiler: the Parliament of Rot withdraws their support and allow them to rewind time to before his victory]].

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* InvincibleVillain: Arcane during the {{New 52}} with new re-imagined Rot based powers that allow him to instantly kill, turn undead, and take control of any living thing that has even a single dead cell in it, anywhere in the entire world at any time. There are no functional limits to this power, only that champions of the Green and Red can sometimes resist it.it, but even then Arcane can just steal somebody's appearance and kill them before they can attack. He is also effectively unkillable as he can just reform a body from any corpse. Add to the fact that he's been around for centuries, effortlessly killing champions of both the Green and Red, until finally [[spoiler: infecting and taking over the entire world in the Rotworld segment along with killing and cloning Abby]]. He only loses not through any action of the heroes, when he's declared to be TOO successful as a villain, and [[spoiler: the Parliament of Rot withdraws their support and allow them to rewind time to before his victory]].
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