History YMMV / SupermanII

14th Jan '17 4:25:41 AM DoctorSleep
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* HilariousInHindsight]]: The trucker in the diner already made [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice Superman bleed]].

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* HilariousInHindsight]]: HilariousInHindsight: The trucker in the diner already made [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice Superman bleed]].bleed]].
** A lumber-bearing truck refused to give Clark a lift. [[Film/ManOfSteel Even Clark holds grudges.]]



*** Well, some viewers can actually see (an remember) said scene as [[HeartwarmingMoments touching and poignant and heart-breaking]]; as Lois not being perfect is part of her charm.

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*** Well, some viewers can actually see (an (and remember) said scene as [[HeartwarmingMoments touching and poignant and heart-breaking]]; as Lois not being perfect is part of her charm.charm.
** How does Lois discover Clark's secret identity? He tripped over a rug and landed in a burning fireplace. The man who can fly and withstand gunfire tripped over a rug. Lois suggested that maybe Clark subconsciously outed himself, but that just clashes with an earlier scene where she nearly killed herself to get Superman's attention.


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** A depowered Clark getting beaten up by some bullies at a diner, leaving him bewildered at the sight of his own blood and fearing for Lois' safety.
18th Nov '16 2:24:36 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* HarsherInHindsight: In the Creator/RichardDonner cut, the actions that Lois takes to prove Clark is Superman could be seen as insane -- jumping out a window so that Superman will save her, pointing a gun (albeit loaded with blanks) to elicit a reaction from Clark, essentially actions that no sane or rational person would attempt (sadly Lois actually ''did'' do stuff like this in the older comics during her StalkerWithACrush days). This becomes tear-jerking, when Margot Kidder, the actress who portrayed Lois, would be diagnosed with bipolar disorder after a severe psychotic episode.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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In the Creator/RichardDonner cut, the actions that Lois takes to prove Clark is Superman could be seen as insane -- jumping out a window so that Superman will save her, pointing a gun (albeit loaded with blanks) to elicit a reaction from Clark, essentially actions that no sane or rational person would attempt (sadly Lois actually ''did'' do stuff like this in the older comics during her StalkerWithACrush days). This becomes tear-jerking, when Margot Kidder, the actress who portrayed Lois, would be diagnosed with bipolar disorder after a severe psychotic episode.



* {{Narm}}: Reeve's facial expression as he delivered the line "No! Don't do it! The people!" (Notice how in the preceding shot he looked appropriately horrified at the sight of the bus being lifted, than it looks like he's trying not to ''laugh'' and smile as he delivers his lines, than in the third and fourth close up shots he's back to looking suitably horrified.)

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* {{Narm}}: Reeve's Creator/ChristopherReeve's facial expression as he delivered the line "No! Don't do it! The people!" (Notice how in the preceding shot he looked appropriately horrified at the sight of the bus being lifted, than it looks like he's trying not to ''laugh'' and smile as he delivers his lines, than in the third and fourth close up shots he's back to looking suitably horrified.)



** In the Donner Cut of #2 the speech Superman gives to the ghost of his father Jor-El about how Lois is the one thing he truly desires in life, above all else, and you can see Reeve giving it his all, and it's almost touching and poignant and heart-breaking... until you remember that Lois is an illiterate, chain smoking scatter brain who in the Donner Cut threw herself out of the Daily Planet building in an attempt to bluff Clark into admitting he's Superman and than successfully outed him with a fake gun and fake bullets.

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** In the Donner Cut of #2 Cut, the speech Superman gives to the ghost of his father Jor-El about how Lois is the one thing he truly desires in life, above all else, and you can see Reeve giving it his all, and it's almost touching and poignant and heart-breaking... until you remember that Lois is an illiterate, chain smoking scatter brain who in the Donner Cut threw herself out of the Daily Planet building in an attempt to bluff Clark into admitting he's Superman and than successfully outed him with a fake gun and fake bullets.



* RomanticPlotTumor: No matter which version you watch the romantic subplot between Lois and Superman is very iffy - arguably even more iffy in the Donner cut if that's at all possible.
*** It's true that modern audiences often dislike this subplot for "not being action packed enough" on comparison of nowadays superheroes movies. But, if you like superheroes stories that not only revolve around action, you can find this pretty enjoyable-and quite clear.
* WhatAnIdiot: If Lex had any sense of foresight, he would have carried Kryptonite on him. Based on it's deadly effect on Superman, you would think Lex would carry around some more in case Zod, Non, or Ursa ever tried to kill him. However, based on his lust for power (he wanted Australia in the first place), it's clear that killing them was not on his priority list. He had good reason to want to destroy Superman in the first film, but in this film, all he wants is control of Australia. While Kryptonite could momentarily take out Zod and his gang, Lex would no longer have any short cut way of gaining his goal, making Kryptonite more of a nuisance than a good thing. Still, it'd be smart to at least carry some in a lead pocket...in the good chance Zod would have tried to get rid of him.
** ''Movie/SupermanIII'' states that there's no more Kryptonite left on Earth, so that may have been true for ''Superman II'' as well.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: RomanticPlotTumor:
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No matter which version you watch the romantic subplot between Lois and Superman is very iffy - arguably even more iffy in the Donner cut if that's at all possible.
*** ** It's true that modern audiences often dislike this subplot for "not being action packed enough" on comparison of nowadays superheroes movies. But, if you like superheroes stories that not only revolve around action, you can find this pretty enjoyable-and quite clear.
* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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If Lex had any sense of foresight, he would have carried Kryptonite on him. Based on it's deadly effect on Superman, you would think Lex would carry around some more in case Zod, Non, or Ursa ever tried to kill him. However, based on his lust for power (he wanted Australia in the first place), it's clear that killing them was not on his priority list. He had good reason to want to destroy Superman in the first film, but in this film, all he wants is control of Australia. While Kryptonite could momentarily take out Zod and his gang, Lex would no longer have any short cut way of gaining his goal, making Kryptonite more of a nuisance than a good thing. Still, it'd be smart to at least carry some in a lead pocket...in the good chance Zod would have tried to get rid of him.
** ''Movie/SupermanIII'' ''Film/SupermanIII'' states that there's no more Kryptonite left on Earth, so that may have been true for ''Superman II'' as well.
5th Nov '16 6:35:44 PM Berrenta
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: After losing his powers and getting sucker punched by a red neck trucker thug, a powerless Clark laments that he and Lois need to hire a bodyguard, causing Lois to remark "I don't want a bodyguard, I want the man I fell in love with." What exactly does that say about Lois? That she only loved the superhero with god like powers but not the NiceGuy behind them?
*** Well, if she did, she would walk away as soon as he gave up his powers.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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After losing his powers and getting sucker punched by a red neck trucker thug, a powerless Clark laments that he and Lois need to hire a bodyguard, causing Lois to remark "I don't want a bodyguard, I want the man I fell in love with." What exactly does that say about Lois? That she only loved the superhero with god like powers but not the NiceGuy behind them?
*** Well, if she did, she would walk away as soon as he gave up his powers.
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* AudienceColoringAdaptation: For Zod and his followers. It worked so well that the comics eventually [[RetCanon changed their depictions of them to match.]]



* [[Main/HilariousInHindsight Hilarious in Hindsight]]: The trucker in the diner already made [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice Superman bleed]].
* InkStainAdaptation: For Zod and his followers. It worked so well that the comics eventually [[RetCanon changed there depictions of them to match.]]

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* [[Main/HilariousInHindsight Hilarious in Hindsight]]: HilariousInHindsight]]: The trucker in the diner already made [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice Superman bleed]].
* InkStainAdaptation: For Zod and his followers. It worked so well that the comics eventually [[RetCanon changed there depictions of them to match.]]
bleed]].
17th Oct '16 12:36:54 PM GKG
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* EvilIsSexy: Zod. Then again, he is played by Terence Stamp, so it'd be surprising if he ''didn't'' fit that trope.
4th Aug '16 7:42:03 AM MrDeath
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* DeusExMachina: The process to make Superman mortal that his Mother insists is irreversible and there is no going back? Yeah, about that... (To be fair, there was no way they could foresee more Kryptonians coming to Earth to suck powers from.)

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* DeusExMachina: The process to make Superman mortal that his Mother insists is irreversible and there is no going back? Yeah, about that... (To be fair, there was no way they could foresee more Kryptonians coming to Earth to suck powers from.)
4th Aug '16 6:37:28 AM simonscot
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The overlong scene of the villains using there super-breath to blow away the Metropolis civilians is meant to be both funny and horrifying, but even among the sight gags there's a very weird shot of a balding man wearing a red sparkly jacket being blown away on roller skates. It especially stands out in the Donner Cut, which otherwise removed the goofy slapstick moments from this scene.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The overlong scene of the villains using there their super-breath to blow away the Metropolis civilians is meant to be both funny and horrifying, but even among the sight gags there's a very weird shot of a balding man wearing a red sparkly jacket being blown away on roller skates. It especially stands out in the Donner Cut, which otherwise removed the goofy slapstick moments from this scene.
14th Apr '16 9:10:50 AM AnotherGuy
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* DeusExMachina: The process to make Superman mortal that his Mother insists is irreversible and there is no going back? Yeah, about that......

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* DeusExMachina: The process to make Superman mortal that his Mother insists is irreversible and there is no going back? Yeah, about that......that... (To be fair, there was no way they could foresee more Kryptonians coming to Earth to suck powers from.)
14th Apr '16 9:08:39 AM AnotherGuy
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* NarmCharm: General Zod is made of this. He's a titanic ham with lots of dialogue that could have been very painful, but he tends to come of as genuinely deranged and dangerous rather than goofy considering he has the godlike power to back up his threats. It also helps that he can bounce back and forth between LargeHam and dangerously understated almost at will, as his introductory scene shows.
11th Apr '16 1:21:27 AM Shadao
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** Superman realized that having three superpowered villains fighting him in the middle of Metropolis might get a little out of hand, and decided to draw them back to the Fortress where no innocents would get hurt. In the ContinuityReboot ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Superman's relative inexperience and General Zod's unhinged RoaringRampageOfRevenge ended up causing massive destruction and loads of innocents getting hurt or killed in Metropolis, which serves as the catalyst for many citizens, including Bruce Wayne, to hate him in the [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice actual sequel]].

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** Superman realized that having three superpowered villains fighting him in the middle of Metropolis might get a little out of hand, and decided to draw them back to the Fortress where no innocents would get hurt. In the ContinuityReboot ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Superman's relative inexperience and General Zod's unhinged RoaringRampageOfRevenge ended up causing massive destruction and loads of innocents getting hurt or killed in Metropolis, Metropolis (and Smallville), which serves as the catalyst for many citizens, including Bruce Wayne, to hate him in the [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice actual sequel]].next installment]].
11th Apr '16 1:19:54 AM Shadao
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** Superman realized that having three superpowered villains fighting him in the middle of Metropolis might get a little out of hand, and decided to draw them back to the Fortress where no innocents would get hurt. Cue ''Film/ManOfSteel'' In that movie's defense, Superman there was less experienced and he was fighting a complete psychopath hellbent on either killing himself or killing everyone around him. His lack of experience clearly worked against him in that fight and minimizing the damage. Except for the fact he just had Smallville trashed because he was too stupid to lead the villains to a neaby cornfield for that fight. As Tom Holbrook would say, "stupider than a bag of hammers".

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** Superman realized that having three superpowered villains fighting him in the middle of Metropolis might get a little out of hand, and decided to draw them back to the Fortress where no innocents would get hurt. Cue ''Film/ManOfSteel'' In that movie's defense, Superman there was less experienced the ContinuityReboot ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Superman's relative inexperience and he was fighting a complete psychopath hellbent on either killing himself General Zod's unhinged RoaringRampageOfRevenge ended up causing massive destruction and loads of innocents getting hurt or killing everyone around him. His lack of experience clearly worked against killed in Metropolis, which serves as the catalyst for many citizens, including Bruce Wayne, to hate him in that fight and minimizing the damage. Except for the fact he just had Smallville trashed because he was too stupid to lead the villains to a neaby cornfield for that fight. As Tom Holbrook would say, "stupider than a bag of hammers".[[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice actual sequel]].
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