History YMMV / Superman

20th Jan '16 7:21:06 AM MagBas
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* GodModeSue: Superman sometimes gets treated as this from fans (both dedicated and casual), but in canon, he is far from being a flawless character. (Bad) writers often think he suffers from this, and have stories in which he is BroughtDownToNormal and goes through a HumiliationConga.

* GodModeSue: Superman has been seen as this by some, especially in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA this Death Battle video]].
12th Jan '16 4:38:46 PM MasterHero
Is there an issue? Send a Message
[[folder: Franchise''']]
to:
[[folder: Franchise''']]Franchise]]

* See YMMV/SupermanTheMovie. * See YMMV/ManOfSteel * See YMMV/SupermanDoomsday * See YMMV/SupermanvsTheElite
to:
* See YMMV/SupermanTheMovie. ''YMMV/SupermanTheMovie''. * See YMMV/ManOfSteel ''YMMV/ManOfSteel'' * See YMMV/SupermanDoomsday ''YMMV/SupermanDoomsday'' * See YMMV/SupermanvsTheElite''YMMV/SupermanVsTheElite''

* See LoisAndClark * See {{Smallville}}
to:
* See LoisAndClark ''YMMV/LoisAndClark'' * See {{Smallville}}''YMMV/{{Smallville}}''

* See YMMV/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries
to:
* See YMMV/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''YMMV/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''
12th Jan '16 3:08:50 PM PurpleEmperor
Is there an issue? Send a Message
!!'''Franchise'''

[[folder: A - D]]
to:
[[folder: A - D]]Franchise''']]

[[folder: A - D]][[/folder]]

[[folder: A - D]]B]]

[[/folder]] [[folder: A - D]]C-D]]

[[folder: P - U]]
to:
[[folder: P - U]]Z]]

!!Film
to:
!!Film!!'''Film'''

Added DiffLines:
!!Film* See YMMV/ManOfSteel * See YMMV/SupermanDoomsday * See YMMV/SupermanvsTheElite !!'''Live Action TV''' * See LoisAndClark * See {{Smallville}} !!'''Western Animation''' * See YMMV/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries
12th Jan '16 2:51:41 PM PurpleEmperor
Is there an issue? Send a Message
[[foldercontrol]] [[folder: A - D]]

[[/folder]] [[folder: E - H]]

[[/folder]] [[folder: J - N]]

[[/folder]] [[folder: P - U]]

to:
[[/folder]]
12th Jan '16 2:22:28 PM PurpleEmperor
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
* TheMerch: He was the first comic book character to have a steady flow of merchandise through the 40s and 50s ever since he debuted on the four-color page.
10th Jan '16 3:34:49 PM Scraggle
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/{{Superman}} here]]. Doomsday's first appearance is pretty much a literal example too, as he exists solely to kill things and is too mindless to have any redeeming quality.
to:
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/{{Superman}} here]]. Doomsday's first appearance is pretty much a literal example too, as he exists solely to kill things and is too mindless to have any redeeming quality.
29th Dec '15 2:55:52 PM Anddrix
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?
to:
** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor: ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?

** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor may be pure evil (and a bigot) but some of his criticisms about humanity putting its collective faith in the godlike alien that is Superman are not entirely unreasonable.
to:
** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor may be pure evil (and a bigot) but some of his criticisms about humanity putting its collective faith in the godlike alien that is Superman are not entirely unreasonable.
26th Dec '15 9:18:12 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message
*** While that was the case in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, several [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] stories, most notably the "Mr. Xavier Saga" [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} (no relation)]], came to the conclusion that he valued both identities equally, and felt miserable and stressed whenever he was forced to neglect either for an extended period of time. Without Clark, he had no way to ever relax; and without Superman, he couldn't help people in danger.[[note]]"I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important... and realized that to do away with one would be to ''kill'' half of myself--''whoever'' I really am! So... I'd decided meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city--while up in the sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--a job for Superman!"[[/note]].
to:
*** While that was the case in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, several [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] stories, most notably the "Mr. Xavier Saga" [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} [[ComicBook/XMen (no relation)]], came to the conclusion that he valued both identities equally, and felt miserable and stressed whenever he was forced to neglect either for an extended period of time. Without Clark, he had no way to ever relax; and without Superman, he couldn't help people in danger.[[note]]"I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important... and realized that to do away with one would be to ''kill'' half of myself--''whoever'' I really am! So... I'd decided meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city--while up in the sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--a job for Superman!"[[/note]].

* HoYay: His comments about how Jimmy looked in a bow-tie were not subtle. This is arguably a variation on KissingUnderTheInfluence since he had just been exposed to pink Kryptonite. This was also a spoof of the [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], where that sort of Ho Yay happened ''all the time''.
to:
* HoYay: His comments about how Jimmy looked in a bow-tie were not subtle. This is arguably a variation on KissingUnderTheInfluence since he had just been exposed to pink Kryptonite. This was also a spoof of the [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], where that sort of Ho Yay happened ''all the time''.
5th Dec '15 11:26:26 AM trixus
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/{{Superman}} here]].
to:
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/{{Superman}} here]]. Doomsday's first appearance is pretty much a literal example too, as he exists solely to kill things and is too mindless to have any redeeming quality.
17th Nov '15 12:10:06 PM ANewMan
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** Super!!'''Franchise''' * ArchivePanic: As one of the most enduring and popular characters in fiction, this is to be expected. * BrokenBase: After ''SupermanReturns'', the fans were deeply divided over whether the next film (if there was to be one) should be a sequel to said film or a reboot. This culminated with ''Film/ManOfSteel'' which some fans viewed as a betrayal for going in a DarkerAndEdgier direction, while other fans thought the film was the modernization the hero needed. ** Naturally this happened with the New 52 reboot as well. Some fans didn't like the body armor (because why does an invulnerable man need body armor?), the increased aggressiveness and rebelliousness, the slightly odd "collar" design and of course the fact that he no longer wears his red trunks on the outside. Other fans think of it as a "modernization" of the character, and in fact appreciate the removal of the trunks, feeling these had become [[{{Narm}} cheesy]] by this point. * FandomRivalry: Who's the best Superman? Christopher Reeve? George Reeves? Dean Cain? Tim Daly? George Newbern? Tom Welling? Henry Cavill? Fans fight endlessly over this. ** Superman fans vs. [[Franchise/{{Dragonball}} Goku]] fans. The latter thinks that Superman is an overpowered bore, [[{{Hypocrite}} while boasting about how Goku could defeat him]], while the former thinks that Goku is an idiot that couldn't out strategize a brick. ** Superman fans vs. Franchise/{{Batman}} fans. The latter thinks Superman is an overpowered, boring one-dimensional goody two shoes and his fans are children with a lack of understanding of the world. The former thinks that Batman is an overrated, wangsty, ineffective man-child of a CreatorsPet and that most of his fans are biased, overly-cynical jackasses that don't actually read comics. * FriendlyFandoms: With almost every other DC Comics fandom! Especially ComicBook/{{Shazam}} and Franchise/WonderWoman fans. ** Superman fans and Franchise/{{Spider-Man}} fans tend get along well, despite the whole DC vs Marvel thing, perhaps because the [[NiceGuy two]] [[EscapistCharacter heroes]] [[TheDeterminator are]] [[GeniusBruiser so]] [[HappilyAdopted similar]] that you can't really like one and hate the other. Doesn't hurt that the two have had three crossovers to themselves and two company wide crossovers where they both appeared. The two fandoms became the other's sole confidant when the two franchises started facing [[TheUnfavorite the]] [[FanPreferredCouple same]] [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy problems]]. I guess [[TheCape capes]] gotta look out for each other. * GodModeSue: Superman sometimes gets treated as this from fans (both dedicated and casual), but in canon, he is far from being a flawless character. (Bad) writers often think he suffers from this, and have stories in which he is BroughtDownToNormal and goes through a HumiliationConga. !! '''Comics''' * AlasPoorScrappy: Subverted. Superboy-Prime's apparent demise in ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' elicited this response, but it was undone barely a year after and he was just as bad as ever. * AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The debate has raged for years over who is the ''real'' personality, Superman or Clark Kent? ** Pre-Crisis Superman was very much the dominant personality, with Clark Kent as mask he puts on in order to "hide." He noticeably wasn't very committed to it, as the ClarkKenting trope is quick to point out, and several times tried to just give up on the persona and be Superman 24/7 ** The idea that Superman was the dominant personality was theorized by Jules Feiffer, whose words were paraphrased by Bill the Snakecharmer in ''Film/KillBillVol2''. *** While that was the case in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, several [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] stories, most notably the "Mr. Xavier Saga" [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} (no relation)]], came to the conclusion that he valued both identities equally, and felt miserable and stressed whenever he was forced to neglect either for an extended period of time. Without Clark, he had no way to ever relax; and without Superman, he couldn't help people in danger.[[note]]"I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important... and realized that to do away with one would be to ''kill'' half of myself--''whoever'' I really am! So... I'd decided meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city--while up in the sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--a job for Superman!"[[/note]]. *** One good story involved a pair of gambling aliens separating Clark and Superman. All that happened was that there were two Supermen, and that when one of them was Clark the other felt compelled to be Superman, and vice versa. ** Michael Fleischer once suggested that if Krypton had not exploded and Kal-El had grown up there, he might have been so overshadowed by his brilliant father that he might have ''been'' more like shy, mild-mannered Clark. ** Post-Crisis is the opposite, Clark is the dominant personality with no knowledge or memories of Krypton until well into his adult years and ''after'' he started operating as a super hero. This means that Clark comes off as a far more assertive and aggressive person than the Pre-Crisis "wimp." This makes Superman come off as stiff and artificial because, as Clark puts it, "Clark is who I ''am,'' Superman is what I can ''do.''" *** To a certain extent this is how George Reeves played Clark. He was easygoing, but could be assertive if there was an emergency. There were times when Reeves' Clark seemed to forget he wasn't supposed to be Superman. ** Modern writers now suggest that there are actually three personalities; the first is Clark at home, who is a decent, normal guy like any other. Then there is Clark at the Daily Planet, still a nice guy if occasionally clumsy and a little goofy, likes to play things safe but also an ace reporter and DeadpanSnarker par excellence. Finally there is Superman, who is every inch TheCape and honestly believes in Truth and Justice, almost to a fault. He sees Krypton as his birthright, but not his home and tries to bring the best of that society to Earth while trying to steer away from its shortcomings. *** It has been implied that, similarly, there are three personalities; Clark Kent, the mild mannered, calm and somewhat geeky dude. Superman, the superhero, who fights for Justice and Freedom and wants to inspire the world to be good. And Kal-El, a merge of both personalities and who he really is for those who are closest to him.
This list shows the last 10 events of 288. Show all.