History YMMV / Supergirl

25th Sep '16 3:41:29 AM Tron80
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** Paul Kupperberg, writer of ''The Daring Adventures of Supergirl'' depicted her as a mature, self-reliant and confident young woman who was finding her own path and started following it, and was not under the shadow of Superman.
** Creator/PeterDavid's run with the Linda Danvers Supergirl in which she was treated as someone with interesting stories to tell about.
** Creator/MarkWaid -who is a big fan of Silver Age Kara- treated post-Crisis Supergirl as a smiling, optimistic young hero as opposite to Joe Kelly's run's self-absorbed jerkass.



** Mark Waid may also count with his work with the character.



** Peter David's run with the Linda Danvers Supergirl may be the first time in the character's history she was treated as someone with interesting stories to tell about.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Creator/MarkWaid was the first to make Post-Crisis Kara a likable character in ''Supergirl and the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'', but it were Tony Bedard and Sterling Gates who made it permanent in her main series.
* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break ComicBook/PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Those fans who hated the Earth-Angel version of the character during the Linda Danvers years came to like the character a ''great deal'' more in ''Many Happy Returns.'' So much so, WordOfGod says that if DC comics hadn't already planned to cancel the title and replace the character with a new one (the much derided Cir-El), they would have given him an ADDITIONAL series starring both Linda Danvers, Power Girl, AND Kara Zor-El.

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** Peter David's run with the Linda Danvers Supergirl may be the first time in the character's history she was treated as someone with interesting stories to tell about.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Creator/MarkWaid was the first to make Post-Crisis NeverLiveItDown: Pre-Crisis Kara a likable character in ''Supergirl and is never going to live down [[BestialityIsDepraved dating her horse, Comet.]] Whether the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'', but it were Tony Bedard and Sterling Gates who made it permanent in her main series.
* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break ComicBook/PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving
constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Those fans who hated the Earth-Angel version
ignorance of the character during the Linda Danvers years came to like the character a ''great deal'' more in ''Many Happy Returns.'' So much so, WordOfGod says fact that if DC comics hadn't already planned to cancel the title he was actually a sentient centaur-magically-turned-horse and replace the character with a new one (the much derided Cir-El), he had become ''human'' when they would have given him an ADDITIONAL series starring both Linda Danvers, Power Girl, AND Kara Zor-El.''actually'' dated is ignorance or just RuleOfFunny is unknown.


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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** Creator/MarkWaid was the first to make Post-Crisis Kara a likable character in ''Supergirl and the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'', but it were Tony Bedard and Sterling Gates who made it permanent in her main series.
** Those fans who hated the Earth-Angel version of the character during the Linda Danvers years came to like the character a ''great deal'' more in ''Many Happy Returns.'' So much so, WordOfGod says that if DC comics hadn't already planned to cancel the title and replace the character with a new one (the much derided Cir-El), they would have given him an ADDITIONAL series starring both Linda Danvers, Power Girl, AND Kara Zor-El.
* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break ComicBook/PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".
1st Aug '16 1:10:40 PM Tron80
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** The aforementioned ACTION COMICS 289# and all of its creeptacular implications verges between this and NarmCharm.
** Most of fans tend to pretend the fist 19 issues of the sixth volume never happened.

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** The aforementioned ACTION COMICS 289# #289 and all of its creeptacular implications verges between this and NarmCharm.
** Most of fans tend to pretend the fist 19 issues of the sixth fifth volume -Loeb and KElly's runs- never happened.
26th Jul '16 8:18:32 AM Tron80
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** Most of fans tend to pretend the fist 19 issues of the sixth volume never happened.



** Sterling Gates for post-Crisis Kara. He gave her a personality that was palatable to the fans. Artist Jamal Igle moved her away from MsFanservice, drawing her more like human being than a stick, and lengthening her skirt and [[SkirtOverSlacks putting shorts under it]]. Mark Waid may also count with his work with the character.

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** Sterling Gates for post-Crisis Kara. He gave her a personality that was palatable to the fans. Artist Jamal Igle moved her away from MsFanservice, drawing her more like human being than a stick, and lengthening her skirt and [[SkirtOverSlacks putting shorts under it]]. it]].
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Mark Waid may also count with his work with the character.character.
** Tony Bedard gets an excellent handle on the character and his post-Crisis and New 52 runs are noteworthy for rehabilitating the character and transforming her from a self-absorbed jerkass or an angry, angsty loner to a heroic, young woman.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Creator/MarkWaid was the first to make Post-Crisis Kara a likable character in ''Supergirl and the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'', but it was Sterling Gates who seems to have made it permanent in her main series.
* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break ComicBook/PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she's been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Creator/MarkWaid was the first to make Post-Crisis Kara a likable character in ''Supergirl and the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'', but it was were Tony Bedard and Sterling Gates who seems to have made it permanent in her main series.
* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break ComicBook/PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she's been she was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".



*** Cir-El was loved by nobody, in large part due to being a ReplacementScrappy for the Peter David version of the character. So, she was a ReplacementScrappy for a ReplacementScrappy. The fact she came in the heels of the wildly popular ''Many Happy Returns'' arc didn't help. The InternetBackdraft over it was so fierce, they ended up {{Retgone}}-ing the character.

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*** ** Cir-El was loved by nobody, in large part due to being a ReplacementScrappy for the Peter David version of the character. So, she was a ReplacementScrappy for a ReplacementScrappy. The fact she came in the heels of the wildly popular ''Many Happy Returns'' arc didn't help. The InternetBackdraft over it was so fierce, they ended up {{Retgone}}-ing the character.
18th Jul '16 2:34:56 PM Tron80
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** Kara becoming a Red Lantern in the New 52. While being HotBlooded is a long established character trait, and she has plenty of reasons to be angry, many feel its just out of character to make her so DarkerAndEdgier by making her a member of a group known for being the most volatile of the Lantern groups. However, Tony Bedard and Charles Soule's handling of the story in the ''Supergirl'' and ''Red Lanterns'' books have been mostly well received, and many feel they made the story actually work.

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** Kara becoming a Red Lantern in the New 52.52 ''Comicbook/RedDaughterOfKrypton'' storyline. While being HotBlooded is a long established character trait, and she has plenty of reasons to be angry, many feel its just out of character to make her so DarkerAndEdgier by making her a member of a group known for being the most volatile of the Lantern groups. However, Tony Bedard and Charles Soule's handling of the story in the ''Supergirl'' and ''Red Lanterns'' books have been mostly well received, and many feel they made the story actually work.
29th Jun '16 2:22:23 PM Tron80
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Writer Sterling Gates finally reconciled Post-Crisis Kara's origins.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
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Writer Sterling Gates finally reconciled Post-Crisis Kara's origins.



* BrokenBase: The conflict between fans of the various incarnation of Supergirl and the changes between them.
** Kara becoming a Red Lantern in the New 52. While being HotBlooded is a long established character trait, and she has plenty of reasons to be angry, many feel its just out of character to make her so DarkerAndEdgier by making her a member of a group known for being the most volatile of the Lantern groups. However, Charles Soule's handling of the story in his ''Red Lanterns'' book has been mostly well received, and many feel he made the story actually work.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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The conflict between fans of the various incarnation of Supergirl and the changes between them.
** Kara becoming a Red Lantern in the New 52. While being HotBlooded is a long established character trait, and she has plenty of reasons to be angry, many feel its just out of character to make her so DarkerAndEdgier by making her a member of a group known for being the most volatile of the Lantern groups. However, Tony Bedard and Charles Soule's handling of the story in his the ''Supergirl'' and ''Red Lanterns'' book has books have been mostly well received, and many feel he they made the story actually work.



* DorkAge: The 'Matrix Era' of Supergirl where Supergirl was a protoplasmic being from a pocket-universe resembling the Silver Age where Lex Luthor was a good guy. Later, she would date Lex Luthor's supposed son who was actually the original with his brain transferred into a clone body.

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* DorkAge: DorkAge:
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The 'Matrix Era' of Supergirl where Supergirl was a protoplasmic being from a pocket-universe resembling the Silver Age where Lex Luthor was a good guy. Later, she would date Lex Luthor's supposed son who was actually the original with his brain transferred into a clone body.



* FairForItsDay: Much of Supergirl's early comic book appearances in the Silver Age focused more on her love life and whims versus adventures. She also would chiefly use her superpowers for things like super-cleaning in her downtime. Supergirl was, however, the most powerful female comic book character in the world and did have many fantastical adventures.
** Defenders also point out a huge number of then-Superman stories focused on ''his'' love-life and [[{{Superdickery}} misusing his powers in oddball ways.]]
* FanonDiscontinuity: Fans of Linda Danvers will refuse to accept how the character was treated in ''Reign in Hell'' and tend to ignore it completely.

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* FairForItsDay: Much of Supergirl's early comic book appearances in the Silver Age focused more on her love life and whims versus adventures. She also would chiefly use her superpowers for things like super-cleaning in her downtime. Supergirl was, however, the most powerful female comic book character in the world and did have many fantastical adventures. \n** Defenders also point out a huge number of then-Superman stories focused on ''his'' love-life and [[{{Superdickery}} misusing his powers in oddball ways.]]
* FanonDiscontinuity: FanonDiscontinuity:
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Fans of Linda Danvers will refuse to accept how the character was treated in ''Reign in Hell'' and tend to ignore it completely.



* MyRealDaddy: Sterling Gates for post-Crisis Kara. He gave her a personality that was palatable to the fans. Artist Jamal Igle moved her away from MsFanservice, drawing her more like human being than a stick, and lengthening her skirt and [[SkirtOverSlacks putting shorts under it]]. Mark Waid may also count with his work with the character.

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* MyRealDaddy: HarsherInHindsight: In the last page of Supergirl vol. 2, this paragraph was inserted: "It is at this dramatic moment that we reluctantly suspend publication of Supergirl. In the near future we hope to announce the reappearance of the Maid of Steel in a new magazine! Meanwhile, you can look forward in July to seeing ''Film/{{Supergirl}}'' at your local movie theater -- as well as in DC's magazine adaptation! IT'S A DATE!" Shortly after the movie bombed, DC killed the character because they didn't care about her at all, and Kara Zor-El didn't reappear for nearly twenty years.
* MyRealDaddy:
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Sterling Gates for post-Crisis Kara. He gave her a personality that was palatable to the fans. Artist Jamal Igle moved her away from MsFanservice, drawing her more like human being than a stick, and lengthening her skirt and [[SkirtOverSlacks putting shorts under it]]. Mark Waid may also count with his work with the character.



** Arguably, Peter David made the character have her first real ''fans'' in decade with his Linda Danvers run.



* ReplacementScrappy: The Matrix incarnation of Supergirl wasn't Superman's cousin but a protoplasmic shape-shifting blob with some of Superman's powers. She was a NaiveNewcomer and TheIngenue who dated Lex Luthor II (not knowing he was the original in a cloned body). In short, many fans viewed her as an InNameOnly incarnation of the character as well as TooDumbToLive.
** The PeterDavid version of Supergirl had detractors due to the angel angle, which was rather outside the norm for Supergirl (or even Superman). There are plenty though who greatly appreciated the series and wish the character wasn't PutOnABus (see above in RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap). Her later popularity was ironic, as Peter David noted, leading to many incarnations of Kara Zor-El getting unfavorably compared to Linda Danvers the Earth Angel.

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* ReplacementScrappy: ReplacementScrappy:
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The Matrix incarnation of Supergirl wasn't Superman's cousin but a protoplasmic shape-shifting blob with some of Superman's powers. She was a NaiveNewcomer and TheIngenue who dated Lex Luthor II (not knowing he was the original in a cloned body). In short, many fans viewed her as an InNameOnly incarnation of the character as well as TooDumbToLive.
** The PeterDavid Creator/PeterDavid version of Supergirl had detractors due to the angel angle, which was rather outside the norm for Supergirl (or even Superman). There are plenty though who greatly appreciated the series and wish the character wasn't PutOnABus (see above in RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap). Her later popularity was ironic, as Peter David noted, leading to many incarnations of Kara Zor-El getting unfavorably compared to Linda Danvers the Earth Angel.



* TheWoobie: Post-Crisis Kara has now survived three holocausts, [[DoomedHometown two home]] [[EarthShatteringKaboom planets exploding]] from under her, and losing her parents twice.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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Post-Crisis Kara has now survived three holocausts, [[DoomedHometown two home]] [[EarthShatteringKaboom planets exploding]] from under her, and losing her parents twice.



* WTHCostumingDepartment: Her New 52 outfit gets some scorn for the odd design choices, notable the cut-out knees on the high boots, the strange red patch on the crotch that almost evokes the image of panties but just looks off, and the general armoured look that, like Superman's costume, doesn't really make much sense.[[/folder]]

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Her New 52 outfit gets some scorn for the odd design choices, notable the cut-out knees on the high boots, the strange red patch on the crotch that almost evokes the image of panties but just looks off, and the general armoured look that, like Superman's costume, doesn't really make much sense. Howere, some fans like the armoured and distinctive look of the costume.
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24th Jun '16 2:33:21 PM Tron80
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** ''Many Happy Returns'' almost saved the Supergirl series by Peter David. Long chided for its WriterOnBoard use of Christianity and religious themes, the series introduced the Pre-Crisis Supergirl to her Earth Angel Post-Crisis incarnation and did a ContinuityNod-filled hilarious romp which ended on a {{Tearjerker}} note. It also established a reason for why Linda Danvers is a member of the Superman family other than wearing the "S" crest. [[spoiler: She's the wife of the Pre-Crisis Superman and mother of the Comics/DCOneMillion Supergirl]].

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** ''Many Happy Returns'' almost saved the Supergirl series by Peter David. Long chided for its WriterOnBoard use of Christianity and religious themes, the series introduced the Pre-Crisis Supergirl to her Earth Angel Post-Crisis incarnation and did a ContinuityNod-filled hilarious romp which ended on a {{Tearjerker}} note. It also established a reason for why Linda Danvers is a member of the Superman family other than wearing the "S" crest. [[spoiler: She's the wife of the Pre-Crisis Superman and mother of the Comics/DCOneMillion ComicBook/DCOneMillion Supergirl]].
4th Apr '16 5:13:06 PM fearlessnikki
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* IdiotPlot: Ok, Kara. So you're personally responsible for losing the Omegahedron and decide to man up and go after it yourself. You heard less then 5 feet from you that without the Omegahedron Argo City has only a few days to live. So you spend the first day learning to fly, go to sleep in a park, then spend the second day making up your alter ego and going to school. Even when you get a solid lead on the Omegahedron and get up to go after it you sit down and complete the day, play soccer and shower because...the teacher and Lucy Lane said so? In addition, Selena also isn't the same one in the movie as she wastes her time using the Omegahedron to pick up guys instead of taking over the world.
** alternatively Kara's friend/mentor is the one who took the omegahedron to use for his own amusement whilst fully aware of potential for misuse/trouble and then gave it to her to play with so it can be argued that he is far more responsible for dooming Argo city than supergirl. Also on earth Kara is basically stranded on a strange world with no money, food or shelter which is why her first night is spent sleeping rough. Infiltrating the school is quite a clever way to gain food and shelter for free. Selene is only interested in romancing Ethan because she mistook the omegahedrons reaction to karas proximity as a sign that Ethan was important somehow to her future plans of world domination and decided that a love spell was the easiest way to get him onside.
* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: As incoherent as the film ended up being Helen Slater really worked on her role, earning herself a Saturn Award nomination. Even the reviewers who hated the film tended not to criticise her performance.[[/folder]]

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* IdiotPlot: FairForItsDay: WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick said one of the movie's redeeming things was that it didn't try to play Supergirl rescuing Ethan for laughs - because it was a girl saving a guy. Not once does Ethan show discomfort from getting rescued by a woman.
* IdiotPlot:
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Ok, Kara. So you're personally responsible for losing the Omegahedron and decide to man up and go after it yourself. You heard less then 5 feet from you that without the Omegahedron Argo City has only a few days to live. So you spend the first day learning to fly, go to sleep in a park, then spend the second day making up your alter ego and going to school. Even when you get a solid lead on the Omegahedron and get up to go after it you sit down and complete the day, play soccer and shower because...the teacher and Lucy Lane said so? In addition, Selena also isn't the same one in the movie as she wastes her time using the Omegahedron to pick up guys instead of taking over the world.
** alternatively Alternatively Kara's friend/mentor is the one who took the omegahedron to use for his own amusement whilst fully aware of potential for misuse/trouble and then gave it to her to play with so it can be argued that he is far more responsible for dooming Argo city than supergirl.Supergirl. Also on earth Kara is basically stranded on a strange world with no money, food or shelter which is why her first night is spent sleeping rough. Infiltrating the school is quite a clever way to gain food and shelter for free. Selene Selena is only interested in romancing Ethan because she mistook the omegahedrons reaction to karas Kara's proximity as a sign that Ethan was important somehow to her future plans of world domination and decided that a love spell was the easiest way to get him onside.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Some people just watch the movie to see Helen Slater in the very flattering Supergirl suit.
* {{Narm}}:
** Ethan can't pronounce the name 'Selena'. It's not as if it's an obscure name.
** Zaltar decides to forgo a RousingSpeech with Kara. When she says "I can't", he just replies "you ''can''" and that works. It gets a MeaningfulEcho too.
** The fact that Kara's home is so easily damaged by a little toy butterfly popping the wall. Is a sheet of plastic all that's protecting it from the forces of space?
* SpecialEffectFailure:
** Selena tries to choke Supergirl to death - by stretching the film.
** Kara uses SuperSpeed to type up a letter to get herself enrolled in the school. Except while she's speeding around the room, the leaves outside can be seen moving fast - to show that the film was just sped up.
** Zigzagged with the flying effects. Some look like very obvious blue screen, others still hold up reasonably well.
* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: As incoherent as the film ended up being Helen Slater really worked on her role, earning herself a Saturn Award nomination. Even the reviewers who hated the film tended not to criticise her performance. She also takes special care to give subtle differences between Supergirl and Linda Lee, making it very believable that they could be different people.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Selena as a witch could have been quite a unique villain. Superman and Supergirl are actually vulnerable to magic - so Selena could have given Supergirl a run for her money. Instead she mostly uses her magic to cast a love spell on a man, and fight with Supergirl for his affections.
** Not much effort is made to give Kara an arc. She jeopardises the safety of her home and goes to Earth to make amends, which could have set up a nice arc about her maturing and learning to be a hero. But she instead spends the movie doing absolutely nothing for ages and being a complete idiot.
* TrappedByMountainLions: Kara enrolling in school under the alias Linda Lee. She completely forgets that she went to Earth to find the Omegahedron - and that she's only got a few days to do so.
* UnfortunateImplications: The Nostalgia Chick and Linkara [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVPUV5KfndM criticised]] the film in their review - namely that the supervillainess only cares about casting a love spell, and that there's more emphasis on Selena and Kara fighting over Ethan than the impending destruction of Kara's home. It's also pointed out how sexist it is to make the first ever film about a female superhero a ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' type story about "a lost and lonely little girl trying to get home"
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20th Feb '16 2:21:09 AM LondonKdS
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** Post-Crisis Kara, from her introduction [[AuthorsSavingThrow to the]] ''Supergirl and the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'' arc, where they tried to make her an overly angsty and jerkish AntiHero.

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** Post-Crisis Kara, from her introduction [[AuthorsSavingThrow to the]] ''Supergirl and the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}'' arc, where they tried to make her an overly angsty and jerkish AntiHero.AntiHero, with wild, constantly {{Retcon}}ned plot swings as different writers tried to come up with something that worked, and notoriously ultra-sexualised artwork.
18th Oct '15 10:45:32 AM nombretomado
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* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she's been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".

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* TheScrappy: The Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2298145.html for some time.]] Traits of hers included: An inordinate amount of time spent [[LetsYouAndHimFight beating up other heroes]], [[DesignatedHero complaining about having to do heroics]] (while wearing the logo of the world's most famous hero on her chest), making [[KickTheDog moves that would instantly mark anyone else as irredeemable]] (like selling the Bottle-City of Kandor to supervillains, then threatening to break PowerGirl's ComicBook/PowerGirl's arms for being understandably pissed), [[CreatorsPet receiving constant praise from all those around her]] [[JerkSue despite the above,]] being stronger than Superman (later RetConned), and a solo series plagued by disgustingly bad FanService, {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s, and [[{{Stripperific}} a skirt that was more a belt with a ruffle on it than anything]]. The hatred hit its peak around #14 of said series, when she fought [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]], a thoroughly popular character who had recently been changed into a CardCarryingVillain. The near-unanimous reaction to Kara winning the fight ([[AssPull with a power that had never been seen or hinted at before]]) was, essentially, "[[MisaimedFandom Fuck you, Cass won.]]" Since then, she's been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by doing actual heroics and dialing down the JerkAss traits, but it took some time before readers ever really forgot "Super Paris Hilton".
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* CompleteMonster: The Post-Crisis version of [[SociopathicSoldier Benjamin Martin Krull]], alias [[NuclearNasty Reactron]], was [[{{Sadist}} never a nice guy]], and is Supergirl's ArchEnemy. His first clash with Supergirl saw a vast amount of property damage and significant casualties, with many survivors suffering from radiation sickness or cancer. It was in the ''ComicBook/NewKrypton'' storyline, however, where Reactron really crossed the line. Having been rebuilt by ComicBook/LexLuthor into a {{cyborg}} with a Gold Kryptonite heart, Reactron invades New Krypton alongside Metallo, depowering and killing numerous Kryptonians, threatening to rape Supergirl, and then murdering her father, Zor-El, in front of her by giving him radiation sickness. Tasked by General Lane with eliminating Supergirl, Flamebird, and Nightwing, Reactron murdered all the soldiers assigned to help him when they expressed doubts about the mission, and did his best to slowly torture Supergirl and Flamebird to death, all while gloating about how fighting two such attractive girls was a dream come true. Captured and tortured by Supergirl's mother, [[KnightTemplar Alura]], Reactron waited until Supergirl came to free him from the torture chamber to reveal that his capture had been a set up and that Luthor had transformed him into a living bomb. [[SuicideAttack Detonating himself]] with [[GoOutWithASmile a smile]], Reactron gives a [[DissonantSerenity serene look]] as he incinerates Alura, the city of Kandor, and the [[EarthShatteringKaboom entire planet]] of New Krypton, [[FinalSolution killing over ninety percent of the population]] in a single fell swoop. A lech, a bully, and a thug at his core, Reactron is a study in just how horrific it can be when somebody like that gets their hands on real power, and has done more to hurt Supergirl than any of her other adversaries, killing her father, her mother, and her entire race in a matter of weeks.

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* CompleteMonster: The Post-Crisis version of [[SociopathicSoldier Benjamin Martin Krull]], alias [[NuclearNasty Reactron]], was [[{{Sadist}} never a nice guy]], and is Supergirl's ArchEnemy. His first clash with Supergirl saw a vast amount of property damage and significant casualties, with many survivors suffering from radiation sickness or cancer. It was in the ''ComicBook/NewKrypton'' storyline, however, where Reactron really crossed the line. Having been rebuilt by ComicBook/LexLuthor into a {{cyborg}} with a Gold Kryptonite heart, Reactron invades New Krypton alongside Metallo, depowering and killing numerous Kryptonians, threatening to rape Supergirl, and then murdering her father, Zor-El, in front of her by giving him radiation sickness. Tasked by General Lane with eliminating Supergirl, Flamebird, and Nightwing, Reactron murdered all the soldiers assigned to help him when they expressed doubts about the mission, and did his best to slowly torture Supergirl and Flamebird to death, all while gloating about how fighting two such attractive girls was a dream come true.true (strongly implying he'd like to rape them). Captured and tortured by Supergirl's mother, [[KnightTemplar Alura]], Reactron waited until Supergirl came to free him from the torture chamber to reveal that his capture had been a set up and that Luthor had transformed him into a living bomb. [[SuicideAttack Detonating himself]] with [[GoOutWithASmile a smile]], Reactron gives a [[DissonantSerenity serene look]] as he incinerates Alura, the city of Kandor, and the [[EarthShatteringKaboom entire planet]] of New Krypton, [[FinalSolution killing over ninety percent of the population]] in a single fell swoop. A lech, a bully, and a thug at his core, Reactron is a study in just how horrific it can be when somebody like that gets their hands on real power, and has done more to hurt Supergirl than any of her other adversaries, killing her father, her mother, and her entire race in a matter of weeks.
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