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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ''Star Trek: Phase II'' incarnation of this story is often hailed as a lost classic. The finished TNG episode... definitely isn't.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Once again, Worf expresses an aggressive action so that the rest of the cast can dismiss it. He is, however, quite correct that an [[HornyDevils unknown and potentially hostile alien entity essentially raped one of their officers and impregnated her with a child]] that will be born in less than a day! His recommendation to play it safe and terminate the pregnancy is simply an example of him, as Chief Security Officer, putting the safety of the ship above all other concerns.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Once again, Worf expresses an aggressive action so that the rest of the cast can dismiss it. He is, however, quite correct that an [[HornyDevils unknown and potentially hostile alien entity essentially raped one of their officers and impregnated her with a child]] child that will be born in less than a day! His recommendation to play it safe and terminate the pregnancy is simply an example of him, as Chief Security Officer, putting the safety of the ship above all other concerns.
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"Idiot Plot" and "Unfortunate Implications" are now Flame Bait.
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* IdiotPlot:
** Housing these bio specimens on the ship of 1000 crew is ridiculous. They could have been placed in a shuttle craft or the like and been towed. Even if that weren't possible, if they had to eject the pod, the concerns that it would spore until it encountered another ship or planet are ridiculous. The pod could easily be obliterated by the ship in quite a lot of ways.
** Troi's pregnancy IS a potential threat to the ship. There are real world organisms that reproduce in a somewhat similar manner now. The Enterprise should not have forced an abortion, but likewise should not have accepted an incredible unknown risk without precaution. Troi should have been offloaded.
** Housing these bio specimens on the ship of 1000 crew is ridiculous. They could have been placed in a shuttle craft or the like and been towed. Even if that weren't possible, if they had to eject the pod, the concerns that it would spore until it encountered another ship or planet are ridiculous. The pod could easily be obliterated by the ship in quite a lot of ways.
** Troi's pregnancy IS a potential threat to the ship. There are real world organisms that reproduce in a somewhat similar manner now. The Enterprise should not have forced an abortion, but likewise should not have accepted an incredible unknown risk without precaution. Troi should have been offloaded.
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* UnfortunateImplications:
** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at her for getting pregnant. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
** Pulaski's treatment of Data in this episode (and several following ones) was considered to fall under this by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-XjQf9rpx4 Linkara]], who noted that while they were clearly trying to recreate the Spock and [=McCoy=] dynamic from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', Spock did have emotions and just didn't display them, allowing him to give as good as he got from [=McCoy=]. In stark contrast, Data genuinely doesn't have any emotions, thus making Pulaski's treatment of him seem less like acerbic banter and more like bullying someone with severe socialization difficulties.
** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at her for getting pregnant. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
** Pulaski's treatment of Data in this episode (and several following ones) was considered to fall under this by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-XjQf9rpx4 Linkara]], who noted that while they were clearly trying to recreate the Spock and [=McCoy=] dynamic from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', Spock did have emotions and just didn't display them, allowing him to give as good as he got from [=McCoy=]. In stark contrast, Data genuinely doesn't have any emotions, thus making Pulaski's treatment of him seem less like acerbic banter and more like bullying someone with severe socialization difficulties.
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* IdiotPlot:
** Housing these bio specimens on the ship of 1000 crew is ridiculous. They could have been placed in a shuttle craft or the like and been towed. Even if that weren't possible, if they had to eject the pod, the concerns that it would spore until it encountered another ship or planet are ridiculous. The pod could easily be obliterated by the ship in quite a lot of ways.
** Troi's pregnancy IS a potential threat to the ship. There are real world organisms that reproduce in a somewhat similar manner now. The Enterprise should not have forced an abortion, but likewise should not have accepted an incredible unknown risk without precaution. Troi should have been offloaded.
** Housing these bio specimens on the ship of 1000 crew is ridiculous. They could have been placed in a shuttle craft or the like and been towed. Even if that weren't possible, if they had to eject the pod, the concerns that it would spore until it encountered another ship or planet are ridiculous. The pod could easily be obliterated by the ship in quite a lot of ways.
** Troi's pregnancy IS a potential threat to the ship. There are real world organisms that reproduce in a somewhat similar manner now. The Enterprise should not have forced an abortion, but likewise should not have accepted an incredible unknown risk without precaution. Troi should have been offloaded.
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* TakeThatScrappy: During the awkward turbolift conversation between Picard and Wesley. Picard barely even makes eye-contact with the lad, and after Wesley says how hard it will be for him to leave the Enterprise, Picard delivers the line "Mixed feelings for all of us" with what can only be described as a sense of irony.
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** During the awkward turbolift conversation between Picard and Wesley. Picard barely even makes eye-contact with the lad, and after Wesley says how hard it will be for him to leave the Enterprise, Picard delivers the line "Mixed feelings for all of us" with what can only be described as a sense ofirony.irony.
** It's a very quiet take-that, but when Pulaski rudely blows off Data's offer to be Troi's birthing partner, claiming that she doesn't need "the cold hand of technology," Troi calmly replies, "Commander Data will do just fine," before giving him a reassuring smile. It's not overt, but it has a clear air of "Data's my friend. Back off."
** During the awkward turbolift conversation between Picard and Wesley. Picard barely even makes eye-contact with the lad, and after Wesley says how hard it will be for him to leave the Enterprise, Picard delivers the line "Mixed feelings for all of us" with what can only be described as a sense of
** It's a very quiet take-that, but when Pulaski rudely blows off Data's offer to be Troi's birthing partner, claiming that she doesn't need "the cold hand of technology," Troi calmly replies, "Commander Data will do just fine," before giving him a reassuring smile. It's not overt, but it has a clear air of "Data's my friend. Back off."
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* HarsherInHindsight:
** In 2019, Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
** In 2019, Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
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* HarsherInHindsight:
**HarsherInHindsight: In 2019, Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
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** The season 7 episode "Dark Page" reveals that [[spoiler:Lwaxana had a child born before Deanna who died at a young age]]. And then, in ''Series/StarTrekPicard'', we also learn that [[spoiler:when Deanna had her own children with Riker, their first child also died young]].
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** The season 7 episode "Dark Page" reveals that [[spoiler:Lwaxana had a child born before Deanna who died at a young age]]. And then, ''Series/StarTrekPicard'', we also learn that [[spoiler:when Deanna had her own children with Riker, their first child also died young]].
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** The season 7 episode "Dark Page" reveals that [[spoiler:Lwaxana had a child born before Deanna who died at a young age]]. And then, in ''Series/StarTrekPicard'', we also learn that [[spoiler:when Deanna had her own children with Riker, their first child also died young]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: In 2019, Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** In 2019, Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the moreuncomfortable. uncomfortable.
** The season 7 episode "Dark Page" reveals that [[spoiler:Lwaxana had a child born before Deanna who died at a young age]]. And then, ''Series/StarTrekPicard'', we also learn that [[spoiler:when Deanna had her own children with Riker, their first child also died young]].
** In 2019, Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more
** The season 7 episode "Dark Page" reveals that [[spoiler:Lwaxana had a child born before Deanna who died at a young age]]. And then, ''Series/StarTrekPicard'', we also learn that [[spoiler:when Deanna had her own children with Riker, their first child also died young]].
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Worf is treated like the bad guy for suggesting they terminate the pregnancy, despite that fact that an [[HornyDevils unknown and potentially hostile alien entity essentially raped one of their officers and impregnated her with a child]] that will be born in less than a day! Isn't making the safety of the ship his ''top'' priority supposed to be his entire job?
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Once again, Worf is treated like the bad guy for suggesting they terminate the pregnancy, despite expresses an aggressive action so that fact the rest of the cast can dismiss it. He is, however, quite correct that an [[HornyDevils unknown and potentially hostile alien entity essentially raped one of their officers and impregnated her with a child]] that will be born in less than a day! Isn't making His recommendation to play it safe and terminate the pregnancy is simply an example of him, as Chief Security Officer, putting the safety of the ship his ''top'' priority supposed to be his entire job?above all other concerns.
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* HarsherInHindsight: In 2019, Marina Sirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
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* HarsherInHindsight: In 2019, Marina Sirtis Creator/MarinaSirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
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* HarsherInHindsight: In 2019, Marina Sirtis [[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-actress-marina-sirtis-reveals-she-was-molested-at-age-3-by-her-babysitters-teen-sons-165824325.html revealed]] that she had been molested at the age of 3 by her babysitter's teen sons. This makes the fact that she is essentially raped in this episode all the more uncomfortable.
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* GrowingTheBeard: Geordi and Worf received promotions to Chief of Engineering and Chief of Security, which allowed their characters to grow and arguably had a much greater impact on the show's quality than Riker's beard (since, even beardless, Riker already had a reputation as a badass).
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Worf is treated like the bad guy for suggesting they terminate the pregnancy, despite that fact that an [[HornyDevils unknown and potentially hostile alien entity essentially raped one of their officers and impregnated her with a child]] that will be born in less than a day! Isn't making the safety of the ship his ''top'' priority supposed to be his entire job?
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** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at her for getting pregnent. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at her for getting pregnent.pregnant. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation.her for getting pregnent. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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* UnfortunateImplications: Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in hisreview]].review]].
** Pulaski's treatment of Data in this episode (and several following ones) was considered to fall under this by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-XjQf9rpx4 Linkara]], who noted that while they were clearly trying to recreate the Spock and [=McCoy=] dynamic from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', Spock did have emotions and just didn't display them, allowing him to give as good as he got from [=McCoy=]. In stark contrast, Data genuinely doesn't have any emotions, thus making Pulaski's treatment of him seem less like acerbic banter and more like bullying someone with severe socialization difficulties.
** Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his
** Pulaski's treatment of Data in this episode (and several following ones) was considered to fall under this by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-XjQf9rpx4 Linkara]], who noted that while they were clearly trying to recreate the Spock and [=McCoy=] dynamic from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', Spock did have emotions and just didn't display them, allowing him to give as good as he got from [=McCoy=]. In stark contrast, Data genuinely doesn't have any emotions, thus making Pulaski's treatment of him seem less like acerbic banter and more like bullying someone with severe socialization difficulties.
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* TakeThatScrappy: During the awkward turbolift conversation between Picard and Wesley. Picard barely even makes eye-contact with the lad, and after Wesley says how hard it will be for him to leave the Enterprise, Picard delivers the line "Mixed feelings for all of us" with what can only be described as a sense of irony.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ''Star Trek: Phase II'' incarnation of this story is often hailed as a lost classic. The finished TNG episode... definitely isn't.
* UnfortunateImplications: Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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* UnfortunateImplications: Nearly everything involving Troi's pregnancy is designed to downplay the fact that Troi was, for all intents and purposes, raped. Worse still, the rest of the crew seem at best indifferent about her situation, and in Riker's case, actually bordering on being ''angry'' at the situation. Website/SFDebris goes into the matter more [[http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/t127.php in his review]].
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