History YMMV / StarTrekEnterprise

23rd May '17 7:31:31 PM starwolf99
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** [[Creator/SethMacFarlane Seth MacFarlane]] played an engineer on the NX-02. Now, he's slated to play a captain in a new Star Trek-parody series called "Orville."
13th May '17 12:57:12 PM SorPepita
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** To any moderates or anyone with any opinions that fell between the battle lines, this BrokenBase could lead to absolute lethality in the forums. God help you if you thought the series was a reasonably enjoyable, if flawed, prequel that despite problems actually did quite well with the material it had to work with, showing an imperfect crew who struggled in defining their place and the place of humanity in a quite often hostile galaxy - making mistakes along the way (probably unintended by the writers but which had greater meaning and ramifications within the context of the show) - with the improvements in season 4 making astounding retroactive sense out of many of the issues of the series and Star Trek franchise. There are a small group who feel that despite the wasted potential of plot lines and canon, and a handful of rather painful episodes that pop up here and there which are drowned in MoralDissonance, hypocrisy and stupidity - like "Dear Doctor" for one - this was still a rather enjoyable show. Of course, expect to be called a troll if you voiced such an opinion at the time. You could get slaughtered (bloodily) in the forums from both sides for voicing any of this interpretation, particularly if you never payed any attention to any WordOfGod information given about the series, and ended up thinking that the series fitted in with continuity, or, horror of horrors, that the temporal cold war was an interesting mostly background arc that gave maneuverability and flexibility with regards to whether the series would end up leading into the franchise continuity or into an alternate timeline, giving a more dynamic appeal to a series that could otherwise have been boxed-in by franchise canon.

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** To any moderates or anyone with any opinions that fell between the battle lines, this BrokenBase could lead to absolute lethality in the forums. God help you if you thought the series was a reasonably enjoyable, if flawed, prequel that despite problems actually did quite well with the material it had to work with, showing an imperfect crew who struggled in defining their place and the place of humanity in a quite often hostile galaxy - making mistakes along the way (probably unintended by the writers but which had greater meaning and ramifications within the context of the show) - with the improvements in season 4 making astounding retroactive sense out of many of the issues of the series and Star Trek franchise. There are a small group who feel that despite the wasted potential of plot lines and canon, and a handful of rather painful episodes that pop up here and there which are drowned in MoralDissonance, hypocrisy and stupidity - like "Dear Doctor" for one - this was still a rather enjoyable show. Of course, expect to be called a troll if you voiced such an opinion at the time. You could get slaughtered (bloodily) in the forums from both sides for voicing any of this interpretation, particularly if you never payed any attention to any WordOfGod information given about the series, and ended up thinking that the series fitted in with continuity, or, horror of horrors, that the temporal cold war Temporal Cold War was an interesting mostly background arc that gave maneuverability and flexibility with regards to whether the series would end up leading into the franchise continuity or into an alternate timeline, giving a more dynamic appeal to a series that could otherwise have been boxed-in by franchise canon.



* TheChrisCarterEffect: Many fans doubted whether the Temporal Cold War arc would ever make sense. To some fans it never did, although this might have been a product of the nature of the storyline more than anything else. The perspective on the Temporal Cold War was from a point in time when the ramifications of time travel and time travel laws meant nothing, and despite a lot of the action in the temporal cold war occurring during the 22nd century, the after effects and temporal-ramifications ''could'' never be made clear unless someone from the future with access to a view on the timeline showed it to the protagonists or explained it to them (an exposition that would frankly have made no sense considering the Temporal Prime Directive), since we only saw the War from the protagonists' perspective. The audience only got a look at a snapshot in time, and considering the limited perspective, it was only ever going to be the case that we saw the battles and not the war. However, considering the fact that Enterprise ''did'' occur in continuity with the other series (in the end anyway), you can deduce - taking into account information given about the 29th century during the series - that those on the side of the Temporal Accord won anyway and history turned out fairly well (although how much deviation and damage occurred to the original timeline (whatever that was) is unknown). To most fans the biggest problem with the Temporal Cold War was its wasted potential (see below), and the awesome opportunities for temporal anarchy that could have been exploited but weren't.
* ClicheStorm: "Precious Cargo"

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* TheChrisCarterEffect: Many fans doubted whether the Temporal Cold War arc would ever make sense. To some fans it never did, although this might have been a product of the nature of the storyline more than anything else. The perspective on the Temporal Cold War was from a point in time when the ramifications of time travel and time travel laws meant nothing, and despite a lot of the action in the temporal cold war Temporal Cold War occurring during the 22nd century, the after effects and temporal-ramifications ''could'' never be made clear unless someone from the future with access to a view on the timeline showed it to the protagonists or explained it to them (an exposition that would frankly have made no sense considering the Temporal Prime Directive), since we only saw the War from the protagonists' perspective. The audience only got a look at a snapshot in time, and considering the limited perspective, it was only ever going to be the case that we saw the battles and not the war. However, considering the fact that Enterprise ''did'' occur in continuity with the other series (in the end anyway), you can deduce - taking into account information given about the 29th century during the series - that those on the side of the Temporal Accord won anyway and history turned out fairly well (although how much deviation and damage occurred to the original timeline (whatever that was) is unknown). To most fans the biggest problem with the Temporal Cold War was its wasted potential (see below), and the awesome opportunities for temporal anarchy that could have been exploited but weren't.
* ClicheStorm: "Precious Cargo"Cargo".



** A nice addendum to the theory would be that with the Xindi incident and the Earth-Romulan War, most of the missions relating to the NX-01 were heavily classified by Starfleet, which remained in effect even into the 24th century, out of fear that some of the ''Enterprise's'' more dubious activities might have damaged the Federation if word ever got out. As such, ''Enterprise'' is the merely the revisionist history known to the public.

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** A nice addendum to the theory would be that with the Xindi incident and the Earth-Romulan War, most of the missions relating to the NX-01 were heavily classified by Starfleet, which remained in effect even into the 24th century, out of fear that some of the ''Enterprise's'' more dubious activities might have damaged the Federation if word ever got out. As such, ''Enterprise'' is the merely the revisionist history known to the public.



** Bakula himself suggested Archer's middle name is [[Series/QuantumLeap Beckett.]] OHBOYYYYYYYYY....

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** Bakula himself suggested Archer's middle name is [[Series/QuantumLeap Beckett.]] OHBOYYYYYYYYY....OHBOYYYYYYYYY...



* HarsherInHindsight: In many ways, Season Two's "Regeneration" is a quintessential "in-universe" example. Part of the thrill of the episode is the fact that viewers with even a passing familiarity with the Borg are far more aware of what the characters are up against than the characters are...and thus, the fact that they're all in ''grave'' danger.

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* HarsherInHindsight: In many ways, Season Two's "Regeneration" is a quintessential "in-universe" example. Part of the thrill of the episode is the fact that viewers with even a passing familiarity with the Borg are far more aware of what the characters are up against than the characters are... and thus, the fact that they're all in ''grave'' danger.



** As a rule, Bakula is not an actor whose style lends itself to big sweeping speeches and grandstanding. But the show seems to spend a significant portion of the first two seasons hoping that he can pull it off like Shater and Stewart.

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** As a rule, Bakula is not an actor whose style lends itself to big sweeping speeches and grandstanding. But the show seems to spend a significant portion of the first two seasons hoping that he can pull it off like Shater Shatner and Stewart.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: although Pa'nar Syndrome is seen as {{Anvilicious}}, at the time this series was made the issues brought up and points made about this illness with its likeness to [=AIDs=] was necessary. Even now the issues brought up are still true, vital to be reminded of and thought of, and remain so for other illnesses as well.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: although Although Pa'nar Syndrome is seen as {{Anvilicious}}, at the time this series was made the issues brought up and points made about this illness with its likeness to [=AIDs=] was necessary. Even now the issues brought up are still true, vital to be reminded of and thought of, and remain so for other illnesses as well.



** It probably isn't an exaggeration to say that most fans expected to see the groundwork being laid for the future series; specifically the Romulan war and the leadup thereunto, as well as the infancy of the United Federation of Planets. There was the odd first encounter with an established race, but this happened incredibly infrequently, and usually didn't lead to much in the way of development. It didn't help that Brannon Braga apparently only set the series that far in the past so that he could get the franchise back to what ''he'' thought was its roots; the idea of deep space exploration. According to him, ''Star Trek'' was meant to be about exploration but the latest ''Trek'' series had gotten away from that.

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** It probably isn't an exaggeration to say that most fans expected to see the groundwork being laid for the future series; specifically the Romulan war and the leadup thereunto, as well as the infancy of the United Federation of Planets. There was the odd first encounter with an established race, but this happened incredibly infrequently, and usually didn't lead to much in the way of development. It didn't help that Brannon Braga apparently only set the series that far in the past so that he could get the franchise back to what ''he'' thought was its roots; roots: the idea of deep space exploration. According to him, ''Star Trek'' was meant to be about exploration but the latest ''Trek'' series had gotten away from that.



** The entire Temporal Cold War idea was ''completely'' wasted. This idea had a huge amount of potential. There could have been crossovers with the [=TNG=] [=DS9=] and Voyager crews in order to save the timeline, going back to help ancient humans, explaining myths and legends from earth itself ''and'' different cultures. In fact, they could have even gone forward in time to show the infancy of the federation, if the show creators didn't want to put that in the 22nd century! They could have explained a ''lot'' of species backstory and laid down huge swaths of canon without even having to put it into the show timeframe. An insane amount of good ideas were just sitting there inherent in the introduction. Even the Suliban could have been made into a great plot. And all of it gone to waste, and in such a way that fans were practically begging for the Time War plot to end because it was so irritating. We never even found out who the Suliban's future sponsor, the guy originally set up as the series' BigBad, really was...but the Temporal Cold War had gotten so boring by the time it was ditched that few cared anymore.

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** The entire Temporal Cold War idea was ''completely'' wasted. This idea had a huge amount of potential. There could have been crossovers with the [=TNG=] [=TNG=], [=DS9=] and Voyager crews in order to save the timeline, going back to help ancient humans, explaining myths and legends from earth Earth itself ''and'' different cultures. In fact, they could have even gone forward in time to show the infancy of the federation, if the show creators didn't want to put that in the 22nd century! They could have explained a ''lot'' of species backstory and laid down huge swaths of canon without even having to put it into the show timeframe. An insane amount of good ideas were just sitting there inherent in the introduction. Even the Suliban could have been made into a great plot. And all of it gone to waste, and in such a way that fans were practically begging for the Time War plot to end because it was so irritating. We never even found out who the Suliban's future sponsor, the guy originally set up as the series' BigBad, really was... but the Temporal Cold War had gotten so boring by the time it was ditched that few cared anymore.



** Alternate!Archer from "E2" had over a century to meet with the Xindi, offer them aid and rebuild their civilisation (Xindus had only just been destroyed), and gain their eternal gratitude. Instead, he pisses the opportunity of a lifetime away, ordering them to fly around the Delphic Expanse. It's not like he cared about trying not to change the timeline either! Several crew members are from races he went on to make contact with whilst in the past, including the woman who would become his ''wife''! But hey, its not like anyone died as a result of your sitting on your hands, ''right?'' How are Tucker's sister and those 7 million people, again?

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** Alternate!Archer from "E2" had over a century to meet with the Xindi, offer them aid and rebuild their civilisation (Xindus had only just been destroyed), and gain their eternal gratitude. Instead, he pisses the opportunity of a lifetime away, ordering them to fly around the Delphic Expanse. It's not like he cared about trying not to change the timeline either! Several crew members are from races he went on to make contact with whilst in the past, including the woman who would become his ''wife''! But hey, its it's not like anyone died as a result of your sitting on your hands, ''right?'' How are Tucker's sister and those 7 million people, again?
13th May '17 12:15:40 PM SorPepita
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** Basically, Season 4 can be seen as one really long AuthorsSavingThrow...because they got a new head writer, who promptly set the writers' team to cleaning up the mess of his predecessors. It wasn't perfect, but there was reasonably only so much they could do in one season, as well as devoting so much time to retconning the three previous clunky seasons.

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** Basically, Season 4 can be seen as one really long AuthorsSavingThrow... because they got a new head writer, who promptly set the writers' team to cleaning up the mess of his predecessors. It wasn't perfect, but there was reasonably only so much they could do in one season, as well as devoting so much time to retconning the three previous clunky seasons.



* BetterOnDVD: Very much a [[BrokenBase Love It Or Hate It]] show on it's original run for both its concept and also because it was the last piece of ''Star Trek'' to be made in an unbroken 18 year run on TV, ingloriously cancelled before it reached the expected 7 seasons; the advent of the franchise's revival in the JJ Abrams directed movies, coinciding with the release of ''Enterprise'' on Blu-Ray, has resulted in a sizable shift in appreciation from some quarters of the fanbase. It's not uncommon these days to hear it being spoken about as an under-appreciated gem.

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* BetterOnDVD: Very much a [[BrokenBase Love It Or Hate It]] show on it's its original run for both its concept and also because it was the last piece of ''Star Trek'' to be made in an unbroken 18 year run on TV, ingloriously cancelled before it reached the expected 7 seasons; the advent of the franchise's revival in the JJ Abrams directed movies, coinciding with the release of ''Enterprise'' on Blu-Ray, has resulted in a sizable shift in appreciation from some quarters of the fanbase. It's not uncommon these days to hear it being spoken about as an under-appreciated gem.
13th May '17 10:33:49 AM SorPepita
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*** In Season 3, he is embroiled in war against xindi and their [=WMDs=]!

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*** In Season 3, he is embroiled in war against xindi Xindi and their [=WMDs=]!
2nd May '17 3:48:53 AM Tuomas
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** Hoshi Sato being reduced from bridge officer with a vital role and Archer's old friend... to the ship's unofficial errand girl and glorified intern.

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*** However, Malcolm's Section 31 past was {{retcon}} added to the character in the middle of Enterprise's final season, so it's not like they had much time to develop this element before the show was cancelled.
** Hoshi Sato being reduced from bridge officer with a vital role and Archer's old friend... to the ship's unofficial errand girl and glorified intern. This was an unfortunate side effect of the {{retool}} the series went through after its first two seasons. Those first seasons put more emphasis on exploration, first contact, and establishing peaceful relations between humans and various other species, all of which gave Hoshi a lot to do. But the third season was one big war arc, and the fourth had a lot of emphasis on armed conflict too, so the role of the ship's communication officer was understandably diminished.
13th Apr '17 10:28:38 PM wyattte
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: ''Enterprise'' has a bit of a reputation for being more 'adult' than ''Trek'' series before, with a bit more bad language slipping through and edgier characterization. Oh, and extra {{Fanservice}} - T'pol is not-so-subtly an {{Expy}} of [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Seven Of Nine]], complete with a {{Stripperiffic}} outfit, and then there's the infamous decontamination room, an excuse to get everyone down to their underpants OnceAnEpisode.


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** A lot of fans point to season 2's "Cogenitor" as [=ENT=]'s first genuinely excellent episode; at the very least, it's one of the show's most controversial.
20th Feb '17 7:25:49 PM wyattte
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** This actually ends up being FridgeBrilliance because what we see is the Enterprise crew having a rocky start, getting involved in dubious incidents and making mistakes and judgement errors, and then they grow steadily more competent and are shown getting involved in important matters and making wise, experienced decisions. In an in-series manner, the show GrowingTheBeard reflects on the characters and what they do, which actually shows CharacterDevelopment.

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** This actually ends up being FridgeBrilliance because what we see is the Enterprise crew having a rocky start, getting involved in dubious incidents and making mistakes and judgement errors, and then they grow steadily more competent and are shown getting involved in important matters and making wise, experienced decisions. In an in-series manner, the show GrowingTheBeard reflects on the characters and what they do, which actually shows CharacterDevelopment. ''Especially'' in Archer, who, after the events of "The Expanse" at the end of season 2, gradually turns from his naive "aw shucks" demeanor, to a much grittier, determined approach. Sadly, none of this was quite enough to overcome the loss in viewership and fandom goodwill.



** More damagingly, Rick Berman had been the man in charge of the franchise since Gene Roddenberry's death, and in the first two seasons fans got the distinct impression that his mindset was still stuck in how television worked at that time, ignoring how the format had been revolutionized starting in the late '90s to feature heavy serialization and few standalone stories.
*** However, when the series ''did'' adopt this format (season 3's Xindi arc; season 4's mini-arcs), it was rejected (and indeed, even today there is serious discontinuity in various fandoms between those who want serials and those who prefer standalones. See ''Series/DoctorWho''.)

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** More damagingly, Rick Berman had been the man in charge of the franchise since Gene Roddenberry's death, and in the first two seasons fans got the distinct impression that his mindset was still stuck in how television worked at that time, ignoring how the format had been revolutionized starting in the late '90s to feature heavy serialization and few standalone stories.
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stories. However, when the series ''did'' adopt this format (season 3's Xindi arc; season 4's mini-arcs), it was rejected (and indeed, even today there is serious discontinuity in various fandoms between those who want serials and those who prefer standalones. See ''Series/DoctorWho''.)



* ShockingSwerve: The ending of Season 3. After a season's worth of fighting Xindi, talking to Xindi, and being informed by Daniels that the Temporal Cold War hinges on correctly resolving the Xindi situation, the crew finally stops the Xindi weapon and gets ready for a heroic homecoming only to find... [[spoiler:Nazis have taken over the world. Because of the Temporal Cold War]]. Not only did this completely pull the rug out from under the dramatic finale episodes, it came with ''no foreshadowing whatsoever'' and had nothing at all to do with the Xindi.

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* ShockingSwerve: The ending of Season 3. After a season's worth of fighting Xindi, talking to Xindi, and being informed by Daniels that the Temporal Cold War hinges on correctly resolving the Xindi situation, the crew finally stops the Xindi weapon and gets ready for a heroic homecoming only to find... [[spoiler:Nazis have taken over the world. Because of the Temporal Cold War]]. Not only did this completely pull the rug out from under the dramatic finale episodes, it came with ''no foreshadowing whatsoever'' and [[GainaxEnding had nothing at all to do with the Xindi.]]
13th Jan '17 4:39:43 AM blastermax12
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*** In Season 3, he is embroiled in war against the Iraxians and their [=WMDs=]!

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*** In Season 3, he is embroiled in war against the Iraxians xindi and their [=WMDs=]!
18th Dec '16 7:35:40 PM wyattte
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* NarmCharm: "It's been a looooong road... gettin' from there to heeeere..." Somewhere between a Music/{{Creed}} ballad and Music/AirSupply, the ''Enterprise'' theme is both mocked and remembered fondly in equal measure to this day.
6th Dec '16 7:01:08 PM MagBas
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*** It really doesn't. In Fortunate Son, the freighter crew tortured a Nausicaan for information, then almost gets destroyed when they used the ([[SarcasmMode shockingly!]]) false information to hunt down the Nausicaans. In Silent Enemy, however, the Enterprise crew merely improved their weapons systems for when the Elachi returned. No torture, no recklessly chasing a better armed enemy.
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