History YMMV / SpiderManTurnOffTheDark

20th May '18 11:29:48 PM Anddrix
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* EvilIsCool: Patrick Page's [[EvilIsHammy riotously-over-the-top]] Green Goblin is pretty much the only thing from the show that's unironically liked.

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%% * EvilIsCool: Patrick Page's [[EvilIsHammy riotously-over-the-top]] Green Goblin is pretty much the only thing from the show that's unironically liked.



* {{Narm}}: All over the place. Pretty much the only time it crosses over into NarmCharm is when the [[EvilIsHammy Green Goblin]] is onstage.

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%% * {{Narm}}: All over the place. Pretty much the only time it crosses over into NarmCharm is when the [[EvilIsHammy Green Goblin]] is onstage.



* SnarkBait: Abundant {{Narm}}, [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a questionable premise]], overwhelming critical and financial failure and the mother of all {{TroubledProduction}}s has made ''TOTD'' into a permanent punchline. When '''Series/SesameStreet''' is mocking your show, then you really know how badly you've messed up.

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%% * SnarkBait: Abundant {{Narm}}, [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a questionable premise]], overwhelming critical and financial failure and the mother of all {{TroubledProduction}}s has made ''TOTD'' into a permanent punchline. When '''Series/SesameStreet''' is mocking your show, then you really know how badly you've messed up.
20th May '18 10:36:28 AM Anddrix
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like, they should have ''chosen'' better characters. The idea of bringing in the Sinister Six as a QuirkyMinibossSquad is not a bad one, but of all the options available to them from Spider-Man's rogues gallery, they chose some of the ones most ill-suited to doing in front of a live audience. Surely characters like Black Cat, Mysterio, Vulture and Doc Ock could be done easier than Swarm, Carnage, or the Lizard.
19th May '18 8:50:55 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* SnarkBait: [[{{Narm}} Horrendous]] [[WTHCostumingDepartment costumes]], [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a questionable premise]] and the mother of all {{TroubledProduction}}s has made ''TOTD'' into a permanent punchline. When '''Series/SesameStreet''' is mocking your show, then you really know how badly you've messed up.

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* SnarkBait: [[{{Narm}} Horrendous]] [[WTHCostumingDepartment costumes]], Abundant {{Narm}}, [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a questionable premise]] premise]], overwhelming critical and financial failure and the mother of all {{TroubledProduction}}s has made ''TOTD'' into a permanent punchline. When '''Series/SesameStreet''' is mocking your show, then you really know how badly you've messed up.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like, they should have ''chosen'' better characters. The idea of bringing in the Sinister Six as a QuirkyMinibossSquad is not a bad one, but of all the options available to them from Spider-Man's rogues gallery, they chose some of the ones most ill-suited to doing in front of a live audience. Surely characters like Black Cat, Mysterio, Vulture and Doc Ock could be done easier than Swarm, Carnage, or the Lizard.



* The design of [[CanonForeigner Swiss]] [[SpikesOfVillainy Miss]] is a whole lot of...[[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/7/75/Swiss_Miss_%28Earth-TRN024%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120207002735 something]], that's for sure.

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* ** The design of [[CanonForeigner Swiss]] [[SpikesOfVillainy Miss]] is a whole lot of...[[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/7/75/Swiss_Miss_%28Earth-TRN024%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120207002735 something]], that's for sure.sure.
** Swarm, a classic example of TheWormThatWalks, was rendered here as...[[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/32/Swarm_SMTOD.png/revision/latest?cb=20160706222804 a guy covered in bees.]] The effect is [[{{Narm}} laughable.]]
19th May '18 8:39:06 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* AccidentalInnuendo: "A Freak Like Me Needs Company" has the line (referring to Kraven) "He loves the animals...maybe a little [[BestialityIsDepraved too much."]]
* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Let's just say that there is an audience for musical theater and there is an audience for Spider-Man, and there is perhaps ''much'' less overlap between those two demographics than the creators may have anticipated.


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* EvilIsCool: Patrick Page's [[EvilIsHammy riotously-over-the-top]] Green Goblin is pretty much the only thing from the show that's unironically liked.


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* {{Narm}}: All over the place. Pretty much the only time it crosses over into NarmCharm is when the [[EvilIsHammy Green Goblin]] is onstage.


Added DiffLines:

* SnarkBait: [[{{Narm}} Horrendous]] [[WTHCostumingDepartment costumes]], [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a questionable premise]] and the mother of all {{TroubledProduction}}s has made ''TOTD'' into a permanent punchline. When '''Series/SesameStreet''' is mocking your show, then you really know how badly you've messed up.


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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Again, ''all'' of the villains. Having the Green Goblin sing and dance under pounds of makeup and SpikesOfVillainy is perhaps unavoidable, but why the hell was Kraven the Hunter portrayed by a [[UncannyValley guy in a mask?]]
* The design of [[CanonForeigner Swiss]] [[SpikesOfVillainy Miss]] is a whole lot of...[[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/7/75/Swiss_Miss_%28Earth-TRN024%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120207002735 something]], that's for sure.
23rd Jun '17 11:08:57 PM SpaceHunterDrakeRedcrest
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The original plot didn't have Arachne function as Peter's SpiritAdvisor, but had the ''actual'' Arachne from the Greek legend as the BigBad rather than Green Goblin, with Gobby getting killed off at the end of the first act. Arachne was also the leading lady. She had a song about trying on shoes and a very blatantly FoeYay-laden scene where she sneaks into Peter's room and sings ''Turn Off the Dark.'' She also had two master plans, either of which she would have been perfectly fine with: either have Peter fall in love with her, or have him kill her. Either way, she's freed from her curse.
18th Apr '17 8:55:42 AM lalalei2001
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* LoopholeAbuse: The long, ''long'', preview run led some to speculate that the producers were deliberately avoiding ever debuting the show, in order to exploit a tradition that theater critics won't issue reviews until after opening night. This eventually failed them, as the critics decided that was what they were doing and reviewed the previews.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In theory, comparing Spider-Man to the myth of Arachne isn't a bad idea. Both characters are related to spiders, and both characters are undone by their own hubris. Arachne was punished for believing herself greater then the gods, and Spider-Man lost his uncle because his pride kept him from stopping an easily preventable tragedy. Except here, Uncle Ben isn't killed by the burglar: he's killed by a random car accident that Spidey had nothing to do with. Because of that, the deeper meaning of their connection is lost. The second version corrected this, at least; Uncle Ben is killed by a ''carjacker'', not a random accident, and the carjacker is (of course) the criminal Spider-Man could have stopped.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In theory, comparing Spider-Man to the myth of Arachne isn't a bad idea. Both characters are related to spiders, and both characters are undone by their own hubris. Arachne was punished for believing herself greater then the gods, and Spider-Man lost his uncle because his pride kept him from stopping an easily preventable tragedy. Except here, Uncle Ben isn't killed by the burglar: burglar; he's killed by a random car accident that Spidey had nothing to do with. Because of that, the deeper meaning of their connection is lost. The second version corrected this, at least; Uncle Ben is killed by a ''carjacker'', not a random accident, and the carjacker is (of course) the criminal Spider-Man could have stopped.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The original plot didn't have Arachne function as Peter's SpiritAdvisor, but the ''actual'' Arachne from the Greek legend as the BigBad rather than Green Goblin, with Gobby getting killed off at the end of the first act. Arachne was also the leading lady. She had a song about ''trying on shoes'' and a very blatantly FoeYay-laden scene where she sneaks into Peter's room and sings ''Turn Off the Dark.'' She also had two master plans, either of which she would have been perfectly fine with: either have Peter fall in love with her, or have him kill her. Either way, she's freed from her curse.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The original plot didn't have Arachne function as Peter's SpiritAdvisor, but had the ''actual'' Arachne from the Greek legend as the BigBad rather than Green Goblin, with Gobby getting killed off at the end of the first act. Arachne was also the leading lady. She had a song about ''trying trying on shoes'' shoes and a very blatantly FoeYay-laden scene where she sneaks into Peter's room and sings ''Turn Off the Dark.'' She also had two master plans, either of which she would have been perfectly fine with: either have Peter fall in love with her, or have him kill her. Either way, she's freed from her curse.
17th Apr '17 12:03:53 PM lalalei2001
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* HarsherInHindsight: One of the songs is called "The Boy Falls From The Sky". Given the accidents going on during production...

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* HarsherInHindsight: One of the songs is called "The Boy "Boy Falls From The Sky". Given the accidents going on during production...



* SoBadItsGood: The original version's previews all sold out very quickly based solely on this principle. A widely-panned 65 million dollar avant-garde trainwreck is ''worth seeing'', to say the least. The epitome of this in the original version of the play was a sequence where Arachne has a musical number ''[[MundaneMadeAwesome based around shopping]]''.

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* SoBadItsGood: The original version's previews all sold out very quickly based solely on this principle. A widely-panned 65 million dollar avant-garde trainwreck is ''worth seeing'', to say the least. The epitome of this in the original version of the play was a sequence where Arachne has [[https://soundcloud.com/cruiseman/deeply-furious a musical number number]] ''[[MundaneMadeAwesome based around shopping]]''.stealing 50 pairs of shoes]]''.
4th Sep '14 6:20:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch: A lot of critics wrote the show off before previews even started.
11th May '14 5:03:37 PM charlie95148
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* HilariousInHindsight: Electro was played by a black man. Jamie Foxx will be him in ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Electro was played by a black man. Jamie Foxx will be plays him in ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2''.
2nd Apr '14 2:09:39 PM kenyastarflight
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* CreatorsPet: Arachne, to the point where Taymour compared cutting any of her songs or scenes to a ''mastectomy.'' Needless to say, after Taymour was fired Arachne's part was gutted, turning her into TheArtifact.

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* CreatorsPet: Arachne, to the point where Taymour Taymor compared cutting any of her songs or scenes to a ''mastectomy.'' Needless to say, after Taymour Taymor was fired Arachne's part was gutted, turning her into TheArtifact.
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