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** Spider-Man fans who prefer Mary Jane over other female leads tend to then be fans who prefer ComicBook/WallyWest as ComicBook/TheFlash, strange as it is. Spidey and The Flash are already largely FriendlyFandoms with one-another thanks to the [[AlternateCompanyEquivalent numerous similarities between the two franchises, right down to even having many similar stories]], but MJ and Wally specifically somewhat mirror one-another, being created for a completely different role (ComicRelief and KidSidekick) but took on a life of their own after a blonde predecessor passed away; they escaped being a ReplacementScrappy thanks to incredibly strong CharacterDevelopment that made them arguably the most iconic character in their specific role. The main bond though tends to be that they were both ''huge'' victims of being CreatorsPest for the editorial in charge of their company, which really began to harm them around 2006-onward, creating some odd Trauma Bonding between the two fandoms. Also, amusingly, both characters are iconic redheads, possibly the most famous red-headed characters in comics.
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** Spider-Man fans who prefer Mary Jane over other female leads tend to then be fans who prefer ComicBook/WallyWest Wally West as ComicBook/TheFlash, strange as it is. Spidey and The Flash are already largely FriendlyFandoms with one-another thanks to the [[AlternateCompanyEquivalent numerous similarities between the two franchises, right down to even having many similar stories]], but MJ and Wally specifically somewhat mirror one-another, being created for a completely different role (ComicRelief and KidSidekick) but took on a life of their own after a blonde predecessor passed away; they escaped being a ReplacementScrappy thanks to incredibly strong CharacterDevelopment that made them arguably the most iconic character in their specific role. The main bond though tends to be that they were both ''huge'' victims of being CreatorsPest for the editorial in charge of their company, which really began to harm them around 2006-onward, creating some odd Trauma Bonding between the two fandoms. Also, amusingly, both characters are iconic redheads, possibly the most famous red-headed characters in comics.
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* MemeticBadass: Due to the years of fans claiming that Spider-Man's comparatively mid-tier level of strength among the heroes of the Marvel Universe is actually him [[WillfullyWeak holding back his true power]], combined with a few [[PopularityPower outlandishly high-end showings]], it's become common (with more than a bit of sarcasm) for versus debate communities to refer to him as "Holdsback-Man", with "Spider-Man but he's not holding back" being up there with "Batman with prep time" in terms of memetically overpowered characters.
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** During TheSixties, and in ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]'' it was definitely "If This Be My Destiny--" or The Master Planner Saga (ASM #31-33) where Spider-Man lifting tons of machinery is ''still'' one of the most oft-featured oft-reproduced images across comics history. Then from TheSeventies, there's ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'', a story arc that is single-handedly credited with not only ushering in UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks, but in slowly introducing DarkerAndEdgier stories into comics in general.
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** During TheSixties, and in ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]'' it was definitely "If This Be My Destiny--" or The Master Planner Saga (ASM #31-33) where Spider-Man lifting tons of machinery is ''still'' one of the most oft-featured oft-reproduced images across comics history. Then from TheSeventies, there's ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'', a story arc that is single-handedly credited with not only ushering in UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks, MediaNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks, but in slowly introducing DarkerAndEdgier stories into comics in general.
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It has not been confirmed in story if Paul and MJ are romantically involved. It also should be made clear Owen and Romy were not real, nor biologically MJ's.
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** Paul, MJ's new boyfriend, is ''near-universally despised'' as a [[StrangledByTheRedString cheap obstacle]] between her and Peter [[FlatCharacter without much personality]]. It doesn't help that during the entirety of the Dead Language story arc, [[TheWorfEffect he's presented as being far more competent than Peter]], who loses basically every fight he gets into while having to be saved by Paul. If one also pays attention to what he's saying, he basically admits to helping Rabin with his work and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero thus is responsible for the entire fiasco]]. The guy is so disliked that there's a pretty substantial ironic counter-fandom dedicated to talking instead about [[MemeticBadass how he is the greatest hero of all time]], far better than that loser Spider-Man, Mary Jane's true love, and perhaps [[SarcasmMode the most complex and fascinating figure in all of fiction]].
** Paul and MJ's kids, Romy and Owen, are also widely disliked due to being [[FlatCharacter mere plot devices]] to keep MJ and Peter apart, as well as [[UnintentionalUncannyValley how unsettling they look in Romita's artstyle]]. The reveal that they were adopted [[StrongFamilyResemblance (despite looking like their parents)]] only added to this due to how much it felt like a nonsensical, last-second attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow due to people reacting negatively to MJ supposedly having kids with another man. It got to the point where them disappearing in Paul's arms (in the same issue as Kamala's death), presumably due to being a creation of the Scribble Man all along, [[TakeThatScrappy was met with widespread celebration across the internet]], with many considering it the only positive part of the issue.
** Paul and MJ's kids, Romy and Owen, are also widely disliked due to being [[FlatCharacter mere plot devices]] to keep MJ and Peter apart, as well as [[UnintentionalUncannyValley how unsettling they look in Romita's artstyle]]. The reveal that they were adopted [[StrongFamilyResemblance (despite looking like their parents)]] only added to this due to how much it felt like a nonsensical, last-second attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow due to people reacting negatively to MJ supposedly having kids with another man. It got to the point where them disappearing in Paul's arms (in the same issue as Kamala's death), presumably due to being a creation of the Scribble Man all along, [[TakeThatScrappy was met with widespread celebration across the internet]], with many considering it the only positive part of the issue.
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** Paul, MJ's new apparent boyfriend, is ''near-universally despised'' as a [[StrangledByTheRedString cheap obstacle]] between her and Peter [[FlatCharacter without much personality]]. It doesn't help that during the entirety of the Dead Language story arc, [[TheWorfEffect he's presented as being far more competent than Peter]], who loses basically every fight he gets into while having to be saved by Paul. If one also pays attention to what he's saying, he basically admits to helping Rabin with his work and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero thus is responsible for the entire fiasco]]. The guy is so disliked that there's a pretty substantial ironic counter-fandom dedicated to talking instead about [[MemeticBadass how he is the greatest hero of all time]], far better than that loser Spider-Man, Mary Jane's true love, and perhaps [[SarcasmMode the most complex and fascinating figure in all of fiction]].
** Paul and MJ's artificial foster kids, Romy and Owen, are also widely disliked due to being [[FlatCharacter mere plot devices]] to keep MJ and Peter apart, as well as [[UnintentionalUncannyValley how unsettling they look in Romita's artstyle]]. The reveal that they were adopted [[StrongFamilyResemblance (despite looking like their parents)]] only added to this due to how much it felt like a nonsensical, last-second attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow due to people reacting negatively to MJ supposedly having kids with another man. It got to the point where them disappearing in Paul's arms (in the same issue as Kamala's death), presumably due to being a creation of the Scribble Man all along, [[TakeThatScrappy was met with widespread celebration across the internet]], with many considering it the only positive part of the issue.
** Paul and MJ's artificial foster kids, Romy and Owen, are also widely disliked due to being [[FlatCharacter mere plot devices]] to keep MJ and Peter apart, as well as [[UnintentionalUncannyValley how unsettling they look in Romita's artstyle]]. The reveal that they were adopted [[StrongFamilyResemblance (despite looking like their parents)]] only added to this due to how much it felt like a nonsensical, last-second attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow due to people reacting negatively to MJ supposedly having kids with another man. It got to the point where them disappearing in Paul's arms (in the same issue as Kamala's death), presumably due to being a creation of the Scribble Man all along, [[TakeThatScrappy was met with widespread celebration across the internet]], with many considering it the only positive part of the issue.
