History YMMV / SpiderMan

30th Jul '16 8:08:35 AM Anddrix
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** Also, Peter's Wangsty behavior during "The Clone Saga", Mary Jane once leaving him and turning down his marriage proposal, Venom's cannibalism (which only really strongly applies to Mac Gargan as Venom), and Harry's drug addiction are all pretty minor parts to their character, yet some people don't seem to realize that. The first ends up being an overly cited problem with Spidey books, the second is probably a major cause for Mary Jane's status as a BaseBreaker, the third ends up being the defining trait of Ultimate Venom, and the fourth, surprisingly, is handled pretty well by writers when they want to.

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** Also, Peter's Wangsty behavior during "The Clone Saga", Mary Jane once leaving him and turning down his marriage proposal, Venom's cannibalism (which only really strongly applies to Mac Gargan as Venom), and Harry's drug addiction are all pretty minor parts to their character, yet some people don't seem to realize that. The first ends up being an overly cited problem with Spidey books, the second is probably a major cause for Mary Jane's status as a BaseBreaker, BaseBreakingCharacter, the third ends up being the defining trait of Ultimate Venom, and the fourth, surprisingly, is handled pretty well by writers when they want to.



** Carlie Cooper's portrayal is resulting in a massive backlash from fans. Originally it was more along the lines of ReplacementScrappy for [[BaseBreaker MJ]], but it escalated when everyone, from past girlfriends to best friends, kept telling Peter how 'right' she was for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'. It was REALLY not helped by the fact she would get mad at Peter for the stupidest things, was pushed as a Woobie because her hero cop dad supposedly died only to be revealed he wasn't a hero and wasn't dead, act like a hypocrite, amongst other problems. She's also received ire for having similar characteristics as four of Peter's past love interests: troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy and attempted Adorkable (Deb Whitman), loves Peter for him (MJ, and an invert of Black Cat), is old friends with Harry Osborn, a tsundere, and Peter's 'true love' and perfect girl (Gwen). You could make the case that the writers are trying to evoke Gwen Stacy in her character, but in the end comes off as a lot like Lana Lang in Smallville and the equally hated film version of [[InNameOnly Mary Jane]]. In the aftermath of ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', she was demoted to a supporting cast member without romantic interest in Peter.

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** Carlie Cooper's portrayal is resulting in a massive backlash from fans. Originally it was more along the lines of ReplacementScrappy for [[BaseBreaker MJ]], MJ, but it escalated when everyone, from past girlfriends to best friends, kept telling Peter how 'right' she was for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'. It was REALLY not helped by the fact she would get mad at Peter for the stupidest things, was pushed as a Woobie because her hero cop dad supposedly died only to be revealed he wasn't a hero and wasn't dead, act like a hypocrite, amongst other problems. She's also received ire for having similar characteristics as four of Peter's past love interests: troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy and attempted Adorkable (Deb Whitman), loves Peter for him (MJ, and an invert of Black Cat), is old friends with Harry Osborn, a tsundere, and Peter's 'true love' and perfect girl (Gwen). You could make the case that the writers are trying to evoke Gwen Stacy in her character, but in the end comes off as a lot like Lana Lang in Smallville and the equally hated film version of [[InNameOnly Mary Jane]]. In the aftermath of ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', she was demoted to a supporting cast member without romantic interest in Peter.
15th Jul '16 2:21:30 AM flamemario12
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* AlasPoorScrappy: A lot of people who hated the character expressed this towards Carnage after he was thought dead in ''Axis'', mainly because [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap he was just redeemed as a character in the eyes of many]]. It's rather telling that many people who wanted the character written out just a few years before where now overjoyed when it turned out that he survived.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: A lot of people who hated the character expressed this towards Carnage after he was thought dead in ''Axis'', mainly because [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap he was just redeemed as a character in the eyes of many]]. It's rather telling surprising that many people who wanted the character written out just a few years before where now overjoyed when it turned out that he survived.



* BaseBreaker:

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* BaseBreaker:BaseBreakingCharacter:



* BrieferThanTheyThink: For all the emphasis on Spider-Man as a KidHero in high school emphasized in recent movies and animated shows, Peter graduated from high school and went to college, (the fictitious Empire State University) in Issue 28 of the Lee[=/=]Ditko Run. The classic period of Spider-Man as WakeUpGoToSchoolSaveTheWorld lasted a very short time indeed and the vast majority of his stories since his first publication is as an early 20s young man. It feels longer because adaptations, have always emphasized the high-school element to the point that it has led to LostInImitation. Brian Michael Bendis took this to the logical extreme in the ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan comics where 200 plus issues are written and completed without Peter or his class graduating from high school, and in the recent Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse version has the youngest actor yet to play Spider-Man.



** Mary Jane in the comics is an ''inversion'': Most of the fans like her and want stories featuring her, while creators (''especially'' JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a BaseBreaker move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/{{The Clone Saga}}'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.

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** %%** Mary Jane in the comics is an ''inversion'': Most of inversion: She is a favorite among the fans like her and want stories featuring her, fandom while the creators (''especially'' JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid aren't exactly fond of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a BaseBreaker move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/{{The Clone Saga}}'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.her.



* DorkAge: Hoo boy, Spider-Man is arguably the character most hit with this trope in comics history, with only the ComicBook/XMen possibly coming close. ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'', the events in his life during ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', ''ComicBook/OneMomentInTime'' and ''Brand New Day'' are basically the worst periods in Spider-Man history. Some feel that ''Superior Spider-Man'' is also this, but that's more BrokenBase.

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* DorkAge: Hoo boy, Spider-Man is arguably the character most hit with this trope in comics history, with only the ComicBook/XMen possibly coming close. ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'', the events in his life during ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', ''ComicBook/OneMomentInTime'' and ''Brand New Day'' are basically the worst periods in Spider-Man history. Some feel that ''Superior Spider-Man'' is also this, but that's more BrokenBase.



** Toxin was also one. Shame that he suffered from ChuckCunninghamSyndrome for so long, and when he returned, the symbiote was acting like Carnage while the host of the suit was nowhere to be found.



** Many people seem to like Venom - notably Eddie Brock and Flash Thompson.



** Electro.
*** FromBadToWorse: And yet... somehow his John Byrne-created costume was uglier.



** The original Jack O' Lantern costume. Averted with the new Jack's costume which is ''fucking terrifying''.



* HarsherInHindsight: An issue of the ''Green Goblin'' series had Phil Urich (the heroic GG) being terrorized by apparitions of the Green, Hob, and Demo Goblins, which taunt him by saying that no matter how good he tries to be he's doomed to inevitably go insane and become evil. [[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan They were right]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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An issue of the ''Green Goblin'' series had Phil Urich (the heroic GG) being terrorized by apparitions of the Green, Hob, and Demo Goblins, which taunt him by saying that no matter how good he tries to be he's doomed to inevitably go insane and become evil. [[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan They were right]].



** Poor Gwen.



** Ben Reilly, aka Scarlet Spider; though he did got some good time, he ended up replacing Peter, then dying when Marvel decided they didn't need him anymore.
** Toxin; you gotta wonder how they could waste the potential of a character who was basically a GoodCounterpart of Venom and Carnage.
** Anti-Venom, though he is more of a BaseBreaker amongst those who prefer Brock as Venom.

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** Ben Reilly, aka Scarlet Spider; though he did got some good time, he ended up replacing Peter, then dying when Marvel decided they didn't need him to replace Peter anymore.
** Toxin; you gotta wonder how they could waste the potential of a character who was basically a GoodCounterpart of Venom and Carnage.
** Anti-Venom, though he is more of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter amongst those who prefer Brock as Venom.



* TooCoolToLive:
** Sure Marvel, kill Reilly when you're not trying to replace Peter Parker anymore!
** Toxin too. Probably worse that he was [[BusCrash killed off before he could return]] while his symbiote suddenly lost its unique aspects until it became just a bulkier Carnage.



* WTHCostumingDepartment:
** Black Cat's all-black costume was okay when it appeared in the All-New Marvel NOW! ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #1, but afterwards, someone decided that there should be eyes on her shoulders to make it look more like a cat motif. But this also included her boobs substituting for the cat's nose, and the result is one of the stupidest costumes ever conceived in the Modern Age that looks like it belongs to a one-shot, Z-list Silver Age villain.
** Subverted with the Shocker. While people like to poke fun at the 'quilt' aspect of his costume it's also one of his endearing and memorable aspects that fans like about him.
* {{Wangst}}:
** Spider-Man tends to fall into this when written poorly. His "Parker is dead, I am the Spider!" phase in the '90s and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' are the most frequently cited examples. He had a lot of this in the early Lee/Ditko stories too before John Romita took Ditko's place. And the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi films]] are pretty guilty of this as well.

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* WTHCostumingDepartment:
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WTHCostumingDepartment: Black Cat's all-black costume was okay when it appeared in the All-New Marvel NOW! ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #1, but afterwards, someone decided that there should be eyes on her shoulders to make it look more like a cat motif. But this also included her boobs substituting for the cat's nose, and the result is one of the stupidest costumes ever conceived in the Modern Age that looks like it belongs to a one-shot, Z-list Silver Age villain.
** Subverted with the Shocker. While people like to poke fun at the 'quilt' aspect of his costume it's also one of his endearing and memorable aspects that fans like about him.
* {{Wangst}}:
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{{Wangst}}: Spider-Man tends to fall into this when written poorly. His "Parker is dead, I am the Spider!" phase in the '90s and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' are the most frequently cited examples. He had a lot of this in the early Lee/Ditko stories too before John Romita took Ditko's place. And the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi films]] are pretty guilty of this as well.
12th Jul '16 1:54:07 AM flamemario12
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** Silk's... 'costume' is basically just random sprays of webbing over her body. Ugly, mismatched, lazy and generally just a crude attempt to make her look attractive and failing horribly at it.
** Subverted with the Shocker of all characters. While people like to poke fun at the 'quilt' aspect of his costume it's also one of his endearing and memorable aspects that fans like about him.

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** Silk's... 'costume' is basically just random sprays of webbing over her body. Ugly, mismatched, lazy and generally just a crude attempt to make her look attractive and failing horribly at it.
** Subverted with the Shocker of all characters.Shocker. While people like to poke fun at the 'quilt' aspect of his costume it's also one of his endearing and memorable aspects that fans like about him.
11th Jul '16 8:46:27 AM N8han11
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** HE TOSS A GENIE!!!! from a {{Mondegreen}} belonging to the 1978 ''[[Series/SpiderManJapan Supaida-Man]]'' {{toku}} show in Japan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdE_Qivq92E (Sorry, previous link was broken because video had been removed by the user. Only Mondegreened version available now)

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** HE TOSS A GENIE!!!! from a {{Mondegreen}} belonging to the 1978 ''[[Series/SpiderManJapan Supaida-Man]]'' {{toku}} show in Japan. http://www.[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdE_Qivq92E (Sorry, previous link was broken because video had been removed by HE TOSS A GENIE!!!!]] from a {{Mondegreen}} belonging to the user. Only Mondegreened version available now)1978 ''[[Series/SpiderManJapan Supaida-Man]]'' {{toku}} show in Japan.
3rd Jul '16 8:55:03 PM SideburnsKid
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* AngstWhatAngst: The issue ''is'' addressed, and she is clearly very distressed, but Anna Maria takes the news that her boyfriend was an infamous supervillain who had taken over a superhero's body and had now essentially died surprisingly well. You get the impression that she's holding back a breakdown...and then it never happens.

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* AngstWhatAngst: The issue ''is'' addressed, and she is clearly very distressed, but Anna Maria takes the news that her boyfriend was an infamous supervillain who had taken over a superhero's Peter's body and had now essentially died ''died'' surprisingly well. You get the impression that she's holding back a breakdown...and then it never happens.
3rd Jul '16 8:53:00 PM SideburnsKid
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* AngstWhatAngst: The issue ''is'' addressed, and she is clearly very distressed, but Anna Maria takes the news that her boyfriend was an infamous supervillain who had taken over a superhero's body and had now essentially died surprisingly well. You get the impression that she's holding back a breakdown...and then it never happens.
2nd Jul '16 10:58:39 PM strejda
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* Ever since OMD, many writers love to have Peter, MJ and other characters talk about how she can't handle the life with him and how much better off she is without him.

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* ** Ever since OMD, many writers love to have Peter, MJ and other characters talk about how she can't handle the life with him and how much better off she is without him.
2nd Jul '16 10:55:03 PM strejda
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* Ever since OMD, many writers love to have Peter, MJ and other characters talk about how she can't handle the life with him and how much better off she is without him.
24th Jun '16 6:46:45 PM Nyame
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*** Partially justified, in that they usually start with Peter just / only recently getting his powers, which is when Flash ''was'' the resident JerkJock. However, when you look at the animated series from the mid-90's and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' Flash started out as the JerkJock, but underwent CharacterDevelopment and became a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, whilst 2012's ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' shows Flash's transformation in the span of a single movie.

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*** Partially justified, in that they usually start with Peter just / only recently getting his powers, which is when Flash ''was'' the resident JerkJock. However, when you look at the animated series from the mid-90's and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' Flash started out as the JerkJock, but underwent CharacterDevelopment and became a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, whilst 2012's ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' shows Flash's transformation in the span of a single movie. Even the reviled (though less so in recent years) ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'' cartoon was adding depth to his character as early as season one, and by season three he had become a major EnsembleDarkhorse, especially when he transitioned into becoming [[spoiler:Agent Venom]].
16th Jun '16 10:21:23 AM rafi
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** Dan Slott isn't safe from this either. He still gets blamed for killing off Peter and being responsible for ''TheSuperiorSpiderMan''.
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