History YMMV / SpiderMan

24th Feb '18 8:02:37 AM Anicomicgeek
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** Things changed in TheOughties, with the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' bringing in new readers, and ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan ending and reversing the old run of progressively darker and bleaker stories by making Peter a little happier. In addition to this, his run put in a few good issues (including the acclaimed issue with Peter revealing his secret to Aunt May [[spoiler: [[http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1678079/spider-mans-shocking-final-scene-why-marvel-did-what-they-did which inspired]] the finale of ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'']]) as well as repairing Peter's marriage to MJ, in addition to introducing the Spider-Totem MythArc. In addition, Peter started playing a bigger role in the Marvel Continuity (when before he had more or less been locked in his own self-contained place), while Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' became genuinely popular, succeeding where John Byrne's SettingUpdate failed. For a while it seemed that Spider-Man [[HopeSpot was out of his Dork Age]].
** Of course, it didn't last. The ''Sins Past'' storyline ruined much of the goodwill of JMS' run, coupled with poor Pete being caught up in the general Marvel dorkiness of ''ComicBook/CivilWar''. Then there was ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' which polarized the fanbase even more than the Clone Saga did (to the point that the Clone Saga itself [[WeWantOurJerkBack is no longer seen as the albatross around Spidey's neck]]). Creator/SamRaimi's movie trilogy likewise fell into {{Sequelitis}} and while ''Ultimate Spider-Man'' still remained popular, its association with the increasingly reviled ComicBook/UltimateMarvel line tarred it with guilt-by-association.

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** Things changed in TheOughties, with the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' bringing in new readers, and ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan ending and reversing the old run of progressively darker and bleaker stories by making Peter a little happier. In addition to this, his run put in a few good issues (including the acclaimed issue with Peter revealing his secret to Aunt May [[spoiler: [[http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1678079/spider-mans-shocking-final-scene-why-marvel-did-what-they-did which inspired]] the finale of ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'']]) as well as repairing Peter's marriage to MJ, in addition to introducing the Spider-Totem MythArc. In addition, Peter started playing a bigger role in the Marvel Continuity (when before he had more or less been locked in his own self-contained place), while Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' became genuinely popular, succeeding where John Byrne's SettingUpdate failed. For a while it seemed that Spider-Man [[HopeSpot was out of his Dork Age]].
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Of course, it didn't last. The ''Sins Past'' storyline ruined much of the goodwill of JMS' run, coupled with poor Pete being caught up in the general Marvel dorkiness of ''ComicBook/CivilWar''. Then there was ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' which polarized the fanbase even more than the Clone Saga did (to the point that the Clone Saga itself [[WeWantOurJerkBack is no longer seen as the albatross around Spidey's neck]]). Creator/SamRaimi's movie trilogy likewise fell into {{Sequelitis}} and while ''Ultimate Spider-Man'' still remained popular, its association with the increasingly reviled ComicBook/UltimateMarvel line tarred it with guilt-by-association.
16th Jan '18 12:03:29 PM MisterCPC
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** In #308, Spidey goes to a cemetery with the word that it's home to someone who's been plotting revenge against him, with him sarcastically wondering for a moment if Film/{{Beetlejuice}} is the mastermind with a grudge against him. 29 years later, guess [[Creator/MichaelKeaton whose actor]] ends up playing the villain of Spider-Man's [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming new film]]?
11th Jan '18 12:35:05 PM primenumber101
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** The ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' fiasco. Marvel editorial thought that fans would get over it and move on in a couple of years, tops. ''Boy, were they wrong!'' Up to this point, fans still use this story as THE point of reference whenever they discuss about Spidey's maturity and/or love life. Many refuse to recognize any developments made ever since, like for example, Peter getting his first serious and stable job as a scientist.

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** The ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' fiasco. Marvel editorial thought that fans would get over it and move on in a couple of years, tops. ''Boy, were they wrong!'' Up to this point, fans still use this story as THE point of reference whenever they discuss about Spidey's maturity and/or love life. Many refuse to recognize any developments made ever since, like for example, Peter getting his first serious and stable job as a scientist. In any Spider-Man Comic Forum, there will be vocal fans who bring OMD issues and rage-discuss about it.
3rd Jan '18 12:03:11 PM Kittencakes
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** Of course, there are Gwen detractors as well. Sometimes they're MJ fans that dislike how Gwen has robbed the spotlight in the later years (and many Gwen fans have contributed to a huge amount of unneeded MJ bashing), others simply don't like the character due to finding her flat and uninteresting in the comics (only known for being the boring love interest and dying), and her alternative universe versions like Emma Stone's and Spider-Gwen's being flat and overhyped by the fandom.

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** *** Of course, there are Gwen detractors as well. Sometimes they're MJ fans that dislike how Gwen has robbed the spotlight in the later years (and many Gwen fans have contributed to a huge amount of unneeded MJ bashing), others simply don't like the character due to finding her flat and uninteresting in the comics (only known for being the boring love interest and dying), and her alternative universe versions like Emma Stone's and Spider-Gwen's being flat and overhyped by the fandom.
3rd Jan '18 12:02:37 PM Kittencakes
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** Gwen Stacy as well. Even long after her death, there are arguably just as many staunch Peter/Gwen supporters as there are Peter/MJ supporters (especially after Lacey Chabert's portrayal in ''WesternAmination/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and Creator/EmmaStone's portrayal in the Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries movies renewed the character), considering her [[ShipToShipCombat the better of the two love interests]].

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** Gwen Stacy as well. Even long after her death, there are arguably just as many staunch Peter/Gwen supporters as there are Peter/MJ supporters (especially after Lacey Chabert's portrayal in ''WesternAmination/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and Creator/EmmaStone's portrayal in the Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries movies renewed the character), character, eventually ending in the creation of her most popular version as of yet, ComicBook/SpiderGwen, and people liking her for different reasons as well (the costume, the snarky musician attitude, and the fact that the so infamous dead girlfriend is given agency)), considering her [[ShipToShipCombat the better of the two love interests]].interests]].
**Of course, there are Gwen detractors as well. Sometimes they're MJ fans that dislike how Gwen has robbed the spotlight in the later years (and many Gwen fans have contributed to a huge amount of unneeded MJ bashing), others simply don't like the character due to finding her flat and uninteresting in the comics (only known for being the boring love interest and dying), and her alternative universe versions like Emma Stone's and Spider-Gwen's being flat and overhyped by the fandom.
28th Dec '17 9:35:06 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** When the ''Spider-man'' character started getting popular in the comics, a stunt double for Wrestling/ElSanto's movies tried wrestling as "Spider Man" as a gimmick. It didn't really work, but then became one of Mexico's most successful luchadors of all time as "Black Man". Then comic book Spider-man started wearing a black suit.

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** When the ''Spider-man'' character started getting popular in the comics, a stunt double for Wrestling/ElSanto's movies tried wrestling started as "Spider Man" Man", as a gimmick. It didn't really work, gimmick, for kids attending [[Wrestling/{{CMLL}} EMLL]] shows. Not much came of it, but then he became one of Mexico's most successful luchadors of all time as "Black Man".with the"Black Man" gimmick he used in LLI\UWA. Then comic book Spider-man started wearing a black suit.
28th Dec '17 9:11:00 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** When the ''Spider-man'' character started getting popular in the comics, a stunt double for Wrestling/ElSanto's movies tried wrestling as "Spider Man" as a gimmick. It didn't really work, but then became one of Mexico's most successful luchadors of all time as "Black Man". Then comic book Spider-man started wearing a black suit.
16th Dec '17 2:43:54 PM nombretomado
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** Gwen Stacy as well. Even long after her death, there are arguably just as many staunch Peter/Gwen supporters as there are Peter/MJ supporters (especially after Lacey Chabert's portrayal in ''WesternAmination/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and EmmaStone's portrayal in the Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries movies renewed the character), considering her [[ShipToShipCombat the better of the two love interests]].

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** Gwen Stacy as well. Even long after her death, there are arguably just as many staunch Peter/Gwen supporters as there are Peter/MJ supporters (especially after Lacey Chabert's portrayal in ''WesternAmination/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and EmmaStone's Creator/EmmaStone's portrayal in the Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries movies renewed the character), considering her [[ShipToShipCombat the better of the two love interests]].
1st Dec '17 10:02:10 AM JulianLapostat
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** Among creators and long-time critics, there's the issue of whether Spider-Man is a story about "eternal adolescence" (the ones who argue that the series has been downhill since Stan Lee and Steve Ditko sent him to college and that ideally Spider-Man should never have stopped being a KidHero, or the next-best thing being an eternal 20s guy hanging out with Flash and Harry Osborn like the Romita years) or a story about a young man growing up and changing as the story progresses (having dates, girlfriends, marriages and a family). This debate was actually the reason why Gwen Stacy died to start with (since Creator/GerryConway felt a marriage would age Spidey), later it brought out ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, ComicBook/OneMoreDay. Proponents for the first view like Creator/JoeQuesada argue that the Teen!Spidey provides better potential for stories, opponents argue that Spider-Man growing up and changing and taking on new responsibilities was a fundamental part of the story and character.

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** Among creators and long-time critics, there's the issue of whether Spider-Man is a story about "eternal adolescence" (the ones who argue that the series has been downhill since Stan Lee and Steve Ditko sent him to college and that ideally Spider-Man should never have stopped being a KidHero, or the next-best thing being an eternal 20s guy hanging out with Flash and Harry Osborn like the Romita years) or a story about a young man growing up and changing as the story progresses (having dates, girlfriends, marriages and a family). This debate was actually the reason why Gwen Stacy died to start with (since Creator/GerryConway felt a marriage would age Spidey), later it brought out ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, ComicBook/OneMoreDay. Proponents for the first view like Creator/JoeQuesada argue that the Teen!Spidey provides better potential for stories, opponents argue that Spider-Man growing up and changing and taking on new responsibilities was a fundamental part of the story and character.character, citing in particular "If this be My Destiny-" (the high point of the Lee-Ditko era) which was about Peter going from high school to college.
29th Nov '17 11:44:57 AM JulianLapostat
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* CommonKnowledge: Quite a few over the decades, most of it revolving around the reclusive co-creator Steve Ditko:
** The reasons as to why Creator/SteveDitko abruptly departed from Marvel have long been subject to legend and rumor, not helped with Ditko being a ReclusiveArtist. The common theory entertained over the years is that Ditko's objectivist beliefs would not allow him to reveal ComicBook/NormanOsborn as being the Green Goblin since he didn't approve of businessmen being bad guys[[note]]Showing businessmen as bad guys is something even Creator/AynRand did and is not by itself antithetical to her ideas[[/note]]. As anyone who has read Ditko's run will note, Norman Osborn in the few issues he appeared in Ditko's run was always a sinister shady dude, embezzling Mendell Stromm and in Ditko's final issue, siccing a mob on Spider-Man while wearing a disguise. Indeed, in the original comics both Norman and Harry Osborn were shown as unsympathetic douchebags, with Harry Osborn in particular being a snob with no redeeming qualities. It was only in the Romita-Lee era, that more sympathetic qualities were given to both characters and the split personality between Norman and Goblin was invented. In any case, as per the Marvel Method, Ditko was the one who designed and plotted the story, which means all the in-panel foreshadowing and villainous portrayal of Osborn was planted by Ditko, as he himself pointed out in one of his few opinions on the matter:
--> '''Steve Ditko''': "Now digest this: I knew from Day One, from the first GG story, who the GG would be. I absolutely knew because I planted him in J. Jonah Jameson’s businessman's club...I planted them together in other stories where the GG would not appear in costume...I planted the GG’s son (same distinctive hair style) in the college issues for more dramatic involvement and storyline consequences. So how could there be any doubt, dispute, about who the GG had to turn out to be when unmasked?"
** There's also a rumor put forth in Jonathan Ross' documentary that Ditko disagreed with sending Peter off the college and that he wanted Spider-Man to stay in high school. The problem is that, as Creator/StanLee noted in TheSixties, most of the issues in the tail-end of Ditko's run, especially the Master-Planner arc (where Pete finally went to college) was entirely plotted by Ditko in line with the Marvel Method. Furthermore, Marvel had averted ComicBookTime in its early run and didn't embrace it till later, and the idea of keeping Peter in high-school while the Fantastic Four saw Reed and Sue give birth to a baby in the early years, and still exist in a SharedUniverse would not have fit the editorial policy at the time.
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