History YMMV / SpiderMan

18th Apr '16 11:20:24 PM Yabukuron
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** Black Cat's all-black costume was oaky when it appeared in the All-New Marvel NOW! ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #1, but afterwards, someone decided that there should be eyes on her shoulders to make it look more like a cat motif. But this also included her boobs substituting for the cat's nose, and the result is one of the stupidest costumes ever conceived in the Modern Age that looks like it belongs to a one-shot, Z-list Silver Age villain.

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** Black Cat's all-black costume was oaky okay when it appeared in the All-New Marvel NOW! ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #1, but afterwards, someone decided that there should be eyes on her shoulders to make it look more like a cat motif. But this also included her boobs substituting for the cat's nose, and the result is one of the stupidest costumes ever conceived in the Modern Age that looks like it belongs to a one-shot, Z-list Silver Age villain.
13th Apr '16 5:00:14 AM XanderVJ
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* BaseBreaker: Mary Jane Watson. An interesting case because the split largely occurs between the audience and the creators. Most of the fans love her, while many at Marvel hate her.

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Mary Jane Watson. An interesting case because the split largely occurs between the audience and the creators. Most of the fans love her, while many at Marvel hate her.



** Toxin was also one. Shame that he suffered from ChuckCunninghamSyndrome for so long, and when he returned, the symbiote was acting like Carnage while the host of the suit was nowhere to be found.

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** Toxin was also one. Shame that he suffered from ChuckCunninghamSyndrome for so long, and when he returned, the symbiote was acting like Carnage while the host Mary Jane, specially among fans of the suit was nowhere comics. She started off as just a tease character to be found.later on become Spider-Man's main LoveInterest, as well as his OfficialCouple for most of the character's run. Her FunPersonified attitude made her stand out, not only among the other more conventional love interests Betty Brant and Gwen Stacy, but among female characters in super hero comics of the time in general. Afterwards, writers like Creator/GerryConway and Tom DeFalco [[CharacterDevelopment rounded up her personality and back story]], making her a much more compelling character on her own right.


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** Toxin was also one. Shame that he suffered from ChuckCunninghamSyndrome for so long, and when he returned, the symbiote was acting like Carnage while the host of the suit was nowhere to be found.
13th Apr '16 4:42:21 AM XanderVJ
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** MJ's fans love her due to her compelling CharacterDevelopment over the years (easily THE most developed supporting character in the entire cast), her funny personality, her natural chemistry with Peter and the fact that she felt in love with him being completely aware of that he was Spider-Man, but not because of it. What's criticized about MJ are her initial shallow behavior and her [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy less-ideal depictions]]. The fact that she's rarely been written properly since ''One More Day'' doesn't help, as well as the fact that she tends to be overtly sexualized in promotional material and merchandising.
** Gwen's fans love her due to her [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan more]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan modernized]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries depictions]], which have been arguably better than MJ's, and the fact that she and Peter share their common passion for science. Criticisms are her dated and inconsistent characterization during the time she was alive in the comics and the fact that she loved Peter, but ''hated'' Spider-Man.
*** Should be noted that previously MJ had unarguably the most support, but recent adaptations have really increased Gwen's popularity and it's not so clear anymore. See WinBackTheCrowd below.
** Black Cat's fans love her for being the mysterious, [[FemmeFatale sexy temptress]] who first only seemed to care about herself, but later turned out to have a HiddenHeartOfGold, which she herself had trouble to comprehend without Peter's love and support. Her being the only love interest who is able to [[BattleCouple always have his back and be there for him when he needs it in the heat of battle]], their constant games of "[[DatingCatwoman cat and mouse]]", and the huge amount of [[SnarkToSnarkCombat flirty banter]] certainly helps to give them a lot of chemistry. Her criticisms, on the other hand, are that she's head over heels for the Spider-Man persona, but has little to no interest in the Peter Parker persona, which is a pretty big deal breaker on many levels.
*** Should be noted that after plenty of CharacterDevelopment she did grow to love and care for Peter Parker as much as Spider-Man, but by that time he was already married to MJ.
** In a huge twist of irony, these three camps have now more or less joined forces against [[TheScrappy Carlie and Silk]].

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** MJ's fans love her due to her compelling CharacterDevelopment over the years (easily THE most developed supporting character in the entire cast), her funny personality, her natural chemistry with Peter and the fact that she felt in love with him being completely aware of that he was Spider-Man, but not because of it. What's criticized about MJ are her initial shallow behavior and her [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy less-ideal depictions]]. The fact that she's rarely been written properly since ''One More Day'' doesn't help, as well as the fact that she tends to be [[MsFanservice overtly sexualized sexualized]] in promotional material and merchandising.
** Gwen's fans love her due to her [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan more]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan modernized]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries depictions]], which have been arguably better than MJ's, and the fact that she and Peter share their common passion for science. Previously MJ had unarguably the most support, but theses recent adaptations have really increased Gwen's popularity and it's not so clear anymore (See WinBackTheCrowd below). Criticisms are her dated and inconsistent characterization during the time she was alive in the comics and the fact that she loved Peter, but ''hated'' Spider-Man.
*** Should be noted that previously MJ had unarguably the most support, but recent adaptations have really increased Gwen's popularity and it's not so clear anymore. See WinBackTheCrowd below.
** Black Cat's fans love her for being the mysterious, [[FemmeFatale sexy temptress]] who first only seemed to care about herself, but later turned out to have a HiddenHeartOfGold, which she herself had trouble to comprehend without Peter's love and support. Her being the only love interest who is able to [[BattleCouple always have his back and be there for him when he needs it in the heat of battle]], their constant games of "[[DatingCatwoman cat and mouse]]", and the huge amount of [[SnarkToSnarkCombat flirty banter]] certainly helps to give them a lot of chemistry. Her criticisms, on the other hand, are that she's head over heels for the Spider-Man persona, but has little to no interest in the Peter Parker persona, which is a pretty big deal breaker on many levels.
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levels. Although, after plenty of CharacterDevelopment she did grow to love and care for Peter Parker as much as Spider-Man, but by that time he was already married to MJ.
MJ. Unfortunately, this development is usually ignored DependingOnTheWriter.
** In a huge twist of irony, these three camps have now more or less joined forces against [[TheScrappy Carlie and Silk]].



* StrangledByTheRedString: Joe Q. has been shoving Carlie down the throats of readers and pointing out how perfect she is for Peter. The dead give away for this was when Carlie was featured as a main character in ''The Many Loves of Spider-Man'' before actually hooking up with him. Dan Slott eventually came to the rescue, broke the two up, and downsized Carlie's role in the book to a more tolerable, less forced level.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: StrangledByTheRedString:
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Joe Q. has been shoving Carlie down the throats of readers and pointing out how perfect she is for Peter. The dead give away for this was when Carlie was featured as a main character in ''The Many Loves of Spider-Man'' before actually hooking up with him. Dan Slott eventually came to the rescue, broke the two up, and downsized Carlie's role in the book to a more tolerable, less forced level.



** Spider-Man tends to fall into this when written poorly. His "Parker is dead, I am the Spider!" phase in the '90s and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' are the most frequently cited examples. He had a lot of this in the early Lee/Ditko stories too before John Romita took Ditko's place. And the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi films]] are pretty guilty of this as well.



** Spider-Man tends to fall into this when written poorly. His "Parker is dead, I am the Spider!" phase in the '90s and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' are the most frequently cited examples. He had a lot of this in the early Lee/Ditko stories too before John Romita took Ditko's place. And the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi films]] are pretty guilty of this as well.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Gwen Stacy as a character. While originally well-liked, she quickly became replaced by Mary Jane as the preferred romantic choice for Peter due to Mary Jane's FunPersonified attitude being more entertaining than Gwen's generally typical love interest personality. After her death, she became somewhat similar to [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Jason Todd]] in that many fans felt she was more important to the books as a dead character to provide angst and motivation rather than she did as a love interest. However, recent adaptations, primarily ''WesternAnimation/SpectacularSpiderMan'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' have caused old fans who weren't too big on Peter/MJ and new fans who're introduced to their re-imagined versions of the character to cling to her (the latter especially, due to [[AdaptationalBadass her science skills being more pronounced to the point she's actually helpful to Peter]], [[Creator/EmmaStone a really talented actress]], and real chemistry between her and Peter as Emma Stone and Peter's actor Creator/AndrewGarfield are dating in real life, and met on the set of the first ''Amazing'' film), resulting in a new lease of popularity, to the point that many fans now wish for her to be brought back to life (it doesn't help that recent adaptations and storylines have really damaged Mary Jane's character due to their poor handling of her).

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** Spider-Man tends to fall into this when written poorly. His "Parker is dead, I am the Spider!" phase in the '90s and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' are the most frequently cited examples. He had a lot of this in the early Lee/Ditko stories too before John Romita took Ditko's place. And the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi films]] are pretty guilty of this as well.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Gwen Stacy as a character. While originally well-liked, she quickly became replaced by Mary Jane as the preferred romantic choice for Peter due to Mary Jane's FunPersonified attitude being more entertaining than Gwen's generally typical love interest personality. After her death, she became somewhat similar to [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Jason Todd]] in that many fans felt she was more important to the books as a dead character to provide angst and motivation rather than she did as a love interest. However, interest.
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recent adaptations, primarily ''WesternAnimation/SpectacularSpiderMan'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' have caused old fans who weren't too big on Peter/MJ and new fans who're introduced to their re-imagined versions of the character to cling to her (the her. The latter especially, due to [[AdaptationalBadass her science skills being more pronounced to the point she's actually helpful to Peter]], [[Creator/EmmaStone a really talented actress]], and real chemistry between her and Peter as Emma Stone and Peter's actor Creator/AndrewGarfield are dating in real life, and met on the set of the first ''Amazing'' film), resulting in film. The results are a new lease of popularity, to the point that many fans now wish for her to be brought back to life (it doesn't help that recent adaptations and storylines have really damaged Mary Jane's character due to their poor handling of her).
31st Mar '16 10:26:20 PM Green_lantern40
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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The PS1[=\=]Dreamcast[=\=]N64 platformer is a really good game in it's own right. It was considered the best Spiderman game until the licensed game for the second Sam Raimi film.

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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The PS1[=\=]Dreamcast[=\=]N64 [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation PS1]][=\=][[UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast Dreamcast]][=\=][[UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 N64]] platformer is a really good game in it's own right. It was considered the best Spiderman Spider-Man game until the licensed game for the ''Spider-Man 2'' was released four years later -- and even then, the former game is often considered a close second Sam Raimi film.in its wake.
28th Feb '16 4:20:25 AM JulianLapostat
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A lot of Spidey's [[DorkAge rough periods]] were brought about by the writers or editors becoming too scared of him aging and falling back on old tricks to prevent it. This began with the famous Gwen Stacy death plotline; behind the scenes it happened as a way for writer Gerry Conway to resolve the Gwen Stacy romance since she had become too close to Peter and realistically they would eventually marry and settle down which aged up the character considerably. Thing is, Gerry Conway was a decent writer and the storyline worked out pretty well, becoming a stunning WhamEpisode that changed the course of the series. When [[Creator/JoeQuesada a later editor]] developed the same fear of aging Peter too much, we got universally reviled storylines and retcons like ''[[ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan Sins Past]]'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Depending on what your views and ideas of Spider-Man are:
** Many people argue that Spider-Man's original sin was graduating from high school to college. This happened in the original Steve Ditko-Stan Lee run itself, [[GrandfatherClause and as such it remains a fixture of the Amazing titles]] and several of the best stories follow Peter's college graduation, but supporters argue that Spiderman's original concept was that of a teenage and KidHero and that the minute he grew up and graduated to college, it meant that Spider-Man would have to grow up and eventually be responsible rather than still grapple with Uncle Ben's Aesop (which the likes of Joe Quesada mentions is a mostly adolescent problem). The success of the ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan comics (where Peter is a teenager and high-school kid and is succeeded by another teenager and high-school kid) is cited as a case in point of this argument.
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A lot of Spidey's [[DorkAge rough periods]] were brought about by the writers or editors becoming too scared of him aging and falling back on old tricks to prevent it. This began with the famous Gwen Stacy death plotline; behind the scenes it happened as a way for writer Gerry Conway to resolve the Gwen Stacy romance since she had become too close to Peter and realistically they would eventually marry and settle down which aged up the character considerably. Thing is, Gerry Conway was a decent writer and the storyline worked out pretty well, becoming a stunning WhamEpisode that changed the course of the series. When [[Creator/JoeQuesada a later editor]] developed the same fear of aging Peter too much, we got universally reviled storylines and retcons like ''[[ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan Sins Past]]'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''.
25th Feb '16 11:52:02 AM CL
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** J.M. [=DeMatteis=] really seemed to have a thing for his villain Vermin.
22nd Feb '16 12:30:47 AM Kytseo
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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The PS1[=\=]Dreamcast[=\=]N64 platformer is a really good game in it's own right. It was considered the best Spiderman game until the licensed game for the second Sam Raimi film.
12th Feb '16 2:33:06 PM Pwnisher248
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** Carl King, aka the Thousand, was a one-shot villain introduced as Peter Parker's high school bully who was aware that Parker was Spider-Man. Jealous of Peter's powers and wanting some of his own, King eats the now-dead spider that bit Peter, which causes his body to transform into a HiveMind swarm of spiders. He gains the ability to "possess" people by entering their bodies and eating their insides, wearing their skin like a suit and mimicking their voices. His ultimate goal is to steal Peter's life. While he could have been a decent recurring villain as well as a good EvilCounterpart to Peter, he's killed off in his debut when all of his spiders die.
23rd Jan '16 3:58:20 PM Manny20444
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** JerkassWoobie: In the comics and most incarnations, Harry Osborn serves the role as this.
10th Jan '16 10:21:56 PM ImSpideyTropes
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** Speaking of Daran Norris, try to imagine anyone but him, Creator/BenDiskin or Creator/HankAzaria voice Venom.
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