History YMMV / SpartacusBloodAndSand

12th Jul '16 7:05:25 AM longWriter
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* StopHelpingMe: It was accidental, but Ilithyia convincing her husband to make a grab for glory in the pilot episode really screws him over. Convincing him to attack the rebels before they are sufficiently weakened in Vengeance episode 10 would have had the same effect if Spartacus hadn't pulled his FastRoping trick first.
10th Jul '16 8:25:27 PM Discar
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* FriendlyFandoms: With many of the show's alumnae appearing in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', ''Series/{{The Flash 2014}}'', ''Series/{{Gotham}}'' and even ''Film/SuicideSquad'', one won't be surprised if fans of the show are in good vibes with [[Creator/DCComics DC]] fans.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With many of the show's alumnae appearing in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', ''Series/{{The Flash 2014}}'', ''Series/{{Gotham}}'' and even ''Film/SuicideSquad'', ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'', one won't be surprised if fans of the show are in good vibes with [[Creator/DCComics DC]] fans.



** After this show wrapped, two alumnae will went on to play Creator/DCComics villain Captain Boomerang in two different adaptations; Nick E. Tarbay (Ashur) in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and Jai Courtney (Varro) in ''Film/SuicideSquad''.

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** After this show wrapped, two alumnae will went on to play Creator/DCComics villain Captain Boomerang in two different adaptations; Nick E. Tarbay (Ashur) in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and Jai Courtney (Varro) in ''Film/SuicideSquad''.''Film/SuicideSquad2016''.
4th Jun '16 8:57:07 AM ErikModi
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** Ilithyia crosses it when she [[spoiler:manipulates Numerius into forcing Spartacus to kill Varro. She'd done some bad things before that, but even killing Licinia in a blind rage doesn't quite compare to forcing Spartacus to kill his best friend because she just ''hates him that much'']].

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** Ilithyia crosses it when she [[spoiler:manipulates Numerius into forcing Spartacus to kill Varro. She'd done some bad things before that, but even killing Licinia in a blind rage doesn't quite compare to forcing Spartacus to kill his best friend because she just ''hates him that much'']]. Making it even worse, she accomplishes this by having sex with a ''thirteen year old boy.'' Granted, he was considered a man in Roman society, but he's still looked upon as a boy by most of the cast. And Illithyia is still married.
4th Jun '16 8:51:59 AM ErikModi
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** Hints of this between Glaber and Marcus in ''Vengeance''. Especially given Marcus' obvious devotion and Glaber's tendency to heed his advice over anybody else. It is notable that Marcus is pretty much the only fatality that Glaber shows actual sorrow over (or even more than casual interest in).

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** Hints of this between Glaber and Marcus in ''Vengeance''. Especially given Marcus' obvious devotion and Glaber's tendency to heed his advice over anybody else. It is notable that Marcus is pretty much the only fatality that Glaber shows actual sorrow over (or even more than casual interest in). WordOfGod is that it was intended to be this, but the confirmations wound up being cut before production.


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*** {{Lampshaded}} in the commentary for that very episode, by Andy Whitfield himself.
4th Jun '16 8:47:42 AM ErikModi
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** Episode 6 ("Delicate Things") is the definitive turning point. Batiatus shows his true colors as a ManipulativeBastard BadBoss, Spartacus is shattered by Sura's death (which Batiatus arranged, unbeknownst to Spartacus,) and pretty much every character's main motivation for the first half of the season has been shattered and must be rebuilt. If you weren't hooked before, you will be at this point.
16th Apr '16 1:37:07 PM ACW
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** [[TokenEvilTeammate Nemetes]], from ''War of the Damned,''proves that [[BlackAndGrayMorality not even the rebels are devoid of evil in their ranks]]. Initially a callous {{Jerkass}} of the German slaves, once the rebels have taken a Roman city, Spartacus does his best to ensure that the prisoners are treated with every respect and courtesy. Nemetes kidnaps a Roman Domina and rapes and tortures her for sport, prostituting her to be tortured or brutalized by soldiers he knows will go for it. When Julius Caesar is disguised amongst the rebels, Nemetes demands he show his loyalty by hurting the brutalized girl even more, [[EvenEvilHasStandards which horrifies even the hardened Roman]] and forces him to deliver a MercyKill. When Caesar sheds his façade and puts Nemetes at sword point, Nemetes [[DirtyCoward simply tries to bargain to betray Spartacus and turn over all the armies and civilians with them]] to the Romans if he can escape; an offer Caesar rejects.

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** [[TokenEvilTeammate Nemetes]], from ''War of the Damned,''proves Damned,'' proves that [[BlackAndGrayMorality not even the rebels are devoid of evil in their ranks]]. Initially a callous {{Jerkass}} of the German slaves, once the rebels have taken a Roman city, Spartacus does his best to ensure that the prisoners are treated with every respect and courtesy. Nemetes kidnaps a Roman Domina and rapes and tortures her for sport, prostituting her to be tortured or brutalized by soldiers he knows will go for it. When Julius Caesar is disguised amongst the rebels, Nemetes demands he show his loyalty by hurting the brutalized girl even more, [[EvenEvilHasStandards which horrifies even the hardened Roman]] and forces him to deliver a MercyKill. When Caesar sheds his façade and puts Nemetes at sword point, Nemetes [[DirtyCoward simply tries to bargain to betray Spartacus and turn over all the armies and civilians with them]] to the Romans if he can escape; an offer Caesar rejects.
16th Apr '16 7:03:19 AM ACW
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** Cossutius is the worst example of unchecked Roman excess. A SmugSnake aristocrat (and the actor's face even looks kinda snake-like for added effect), he extorts a favor from the House of Batiatus by requesting a “show” from a virgin slave girl. He selects the girl Diona as he knows he can hurt her more and forces her to lose her virginity to a brutish, dirty, filthy gladiator, mocking Diona all the while as an 'example' of how ugliness and beauty co-exist before anally raping her during her ordeal. Cossutius later shows sheer glee at Diona's execution and at a Roman party is the first to gleefully torture a bound Gladiator for nothing more than entertainment.
** Nemetes is a sign that [[BlackAndGrayMorality not even the rebels are devoid of evil in their ranks]]. Initially a callous {{Jerkass}} of the German warriors, then the Rebels have taken a Roman city, Spartacus does his best to insure the prisoners are treated with every respect and courtesy. Nemetes kidnaps a Roman Domina and rapes and tortures her for sport, prostituting her to be tortured or brutalized by soldiers he knows will go for it. When Julius Caesar is disguised amongst the rebels, Nemetes demands he show his loyalty by hurting the brutalized girl even more, [[EvenEvilHasStandards which horrifies even the hardened Roman]] and forces him to deliver a MercyKill. When Caesar sheds his facade and puts Nemetes at sword point, Nemetes [[DirtyCoward simply tries to bargain to betray Spartacus and turn over all the armies and civilians with them]] to the Romans if he can escape; an offer [[KarmicDeath Caesar]] [[PayEvilUntoEvil rejects.]]

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** Cossutius Cossutius, from the ''Vengeance'' episodes "[[Recap/SpartacusBloodAndSandS2E4EmptyHands Empty Hands]]" and "[[Recap/SpartacusBloodAndSandS2E5Libertus Libertus]]", and the prequel season ''Gods of the Arena'', is the worst example of unchecked Roman excess. A SmugSnake aristocrat (and the actor's face even looks kinda snake-like for added effect), {{aristocrat|s Are Evil}}, he extorts a favor from the House of Batiatus by requesting a “show” from a virgin slave girl. He selects the girl Diona as he knows he can hurt her more and forces her to lose her virginity to a brutish, dirty, filthy gladiator, mocking Diona all the while as an 'example' “example“ of how ugliness and beauty co-exist before anally raping her during her ordeal. Cossutius later shows sheer glee at Diona's execution execution, and at a Roman party is the first to gleefully torture a bound Gladiator for nothing more than entertainment.
** Nemetes
entertainment. Furthermore, Cossutius is a sign serial rapist. He makes it explicitly clear he chooses Diona due to her being a virgin, and makes it quite clear virgins don't exist in his household for that reason. In sexual sadism, Cossutius is well above his fellow Romans.
** [[TokenEvilTeammate Nemetes]], from ''War of the Damned,''proves
that [[BlackAndGrayMorality not even the rebels are devoid of evil in their ranks]]. Initially a callous {{Jerkass}} of the German warriors, then slaves, once the Rebels rebels have taken a Roman city, Spartacus does his best to insure ensure that the prisoners are treated with every respect and courtesy. Nemetes kidnaps a Roman Domina and rapes and tortures her for sport, prostituting her to be tortured or brutalized by soldiers he knows will go for it. When Julius Caesar is disguised amongst the rebels, Nemetes demands he show his loyalty by hurting the brutalized girl even more, [[EvenEvilHasStandards which horrifies even the hardened Roman]] and forces him to deliver a MercyKill. When Caesar sheds his facade façade and puts Nemetes at sword point, Nemetes [[DirtyCoward simply tries to bargain to betray Spartacus and turn over all the armies and civilians with them]] to the Romans if he can escape; an offer [[KarmicDeath Caesar]] [[PayEvilUntoEvil Caesar rejects.]]
13th Apr '16 7:56:21 AM ACW
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** Tullius from ''Gods of the Arena'' is a {{greed}}y, {{sadist}}ic, [[SmugSnake smug]], FauxAffablyEvil, power-drunken [[AristocratsAreEvil aristocrat]]. He first orders Batiatus to get a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown for refusing to sell Gannicus to him, after Batiatus had been nothing but respectful to him. He manipulates Titus into crashing his own son's plans. At the orgy, he challenges Gannicus to a swordfight that Gannicus, as a slave, cannot win, and has the balls to mock him for it. However, he takes a running leap over the MoralEventHorizon and confirms his status as a [[KickTheDog dog-kicking juggernaut]] in Episode 4 when Gaia, in order to help Lucretia, offers herself to him. At first, he accepts and has sex with her-then he cheerfully [[WouldHitAGirl kills her]], just to make clear that, as an aristocrat, [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem he can do whatever he wants]].
18th Mar '16 3:27:34 AM fearlessnikki
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* FansPreferTheNewHer: Acknowledged in-universe. Lucretia looks quite good when she goes back to wearing her red wigs in ''Vengeance''. Unfortunately she's wearing them at Ashur's orders - after he's been raping her. Notably there's one scene where Illythia complements Lucretia on how good the red hair looks, only for the latter to shudder.


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** Seeing Varo getting a hard time in training is amusing if you've seen Jai Courtney in ''{{Literature/Divergent}}'' where ''he'' is the DrillSergeantNasty.
** If you're aware of the New Zealand sitcom ''Series/DiplomaticImmunity'', both Craig Parker (Glaber) and Lesley Ann Brandt (the first Naevia) starred together in that as ''love interests''. Hilariously in that case it was Brandt's character who outranked Parker's (she was the king's niece).
23rd Feb '16 4:06:37 AM fearlessnikki
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* TheScrappy: Naevia 2. Not only is the new actress replacing an already popular one, but her acting is incredibly weak.

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* TheScrappy: Naevia 2. Not only is the new actress ReplacementScrappy: Cynthia Addai Robinson replacing an already popular one, Lesley Ann Brandt as Naevia. Unfortunately for her, the cast change also coincided with a massive personality change for Naevia. The character had gone through a TraumaCongaLine and at first was a DamselScrappy but her acting is incredibly weak. then became a BloodKnight. General consensus seems to be that Lesley Ann Brandt would have been able to make Naevia seem sympathetic despite this - but that the change in actress made it seem like it was a completely new character.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Diona in ''Gods of the Arena'' is mainly a side character who gets minimal screen time. [[spoiler: She's killed off in the finale to wrap things up, when she could have played a bigger part in ''Vengeance'' especially as a character besides Crixus who has a connection to Naevia]].
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