History YMMV / SpartacusBloodAndSand

31st May '17 6:36:25 PM Stevebob
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** In ''War of the Damned'', a lot of people blame Naevia for goading Crixus into wanting to kill all the Romans and destroy Rome, but is it entirely her fault? Crixus himself is known to be short-tempered and vengeful with an 'attack first, ask questions later' attitude long before Naevia became a BloodKnight. He is the one who starts teaching her to fight in the first place and he praises her for being a strong warrior, either overlooking or outright encouraging her violent behaviour. Therefore, are they just goading ''each other'' in regards to their RevengeBeforeReason attitude?
22nd May '17 9:19:16 AM Repo
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*** In addition, while Ilithyia truly was a horrible person with little-to-no-regard for the well being of others, she most definitely *did not* deserve [[spoiler: to have Lucretia perform a C-Section on her and [[DrivenToSuicide kill herself and Ilithyia's unborn baby]] while she watched during her final moments]]

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*** In addition, while Ilithyia truly was a horrible person with little-to-no-regard for the well being of others, she most definitely *did not* ''did not'' deserve [[spoiler: to have Lucretia perform a C-Section on her and [[DrivenToSuicide kill herself and Ilithyia's unborn baby]] while she watched during her final moments]]
22nd May '17 9:18:11 AM Repo
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*** In addition, while Ilithyia truly was a horrible person with little-to-no-regard for the well being of others, she most definitely *did not* deserve [[spoiler: to have Lucretia perform a C-Section on her and [[DrivenToSuicide kill herself and Ilithyia's unborn baby]] while she watched during her final moments]]
9th May '17 2:52:54 PM Stevebob
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* CrossOverShip:
** A small group of fans ship [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gannicus]] (or, far more rarely, Spartacus) with [[Series/GameOfThrones Daenerys Targaryen]]. It kind of makes sense…Given Dany’s track record, we know she has a thing for long-haired, hard-drinking bad boys, her propriety and aloofness is a nice contrast to Gannicus’s more laid-back manner, and they both hate slavery with a passion and campaign to end it.
** There’s even a small fanbase that ships Gannicus and [[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Xena]]. Which is freaking hilarious when you remember that Lucy Lawless plays ''Lucretia'' on this series.
30th Apr '17 5:28:09 AM Stevebob
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** Naevia, if you can ignore her Scrappy status. In addition to being a slave all her life, everyone she cares about has a habit of dying. She helped her traumatised best friend escape to freedom...only to be forced to watch her die when she was caught. Her other best friend was accidentally poisoned and her friend Pietros [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide killed himself]]]] after being repeatedly raped, believing his lover had abandoned him, when Naevia knew but was sworn to secrecy that he was [[spoiler: actually murdered]]. She finds happiness with Crixus, only to be [[RapeAsDrama raped by Ashur]], then beaten and humiliated by [[GreenEyedMonster a jealous Lucretia]] and separated from her lover. Naevia then endures an absolutely horrific TraumaCongaLine, in which she sent from one dominius to another and repeatedly raped; on one occasion, a seemingly kindly dominus gave her food and comfort and let her finally feel safe...only to sadistically rape and torture her that same night whilst his family was sleeping. At the end of it, Naevia was then sold to the mines and forced to do hard labour. She is left severely traumatised, seeing herself as DefiledForever and even feeling she would be better off dead. Though she gets over this somewhat, [[FreudianExcuse her trauma turns her]] into a JerkAss BloodKnight who slips dangerously close to AxCrazy territory. She doesn't snap out of it until [[spoiler: she is ForcedToWatch as Crixus is killed in front of her]], robbing her of the man she loves most and the [[TragicDream happy future she dreamt of with him]]]], before being sent back to the rest of the rebels with [[spoiler: her lover's ''decapitated head'']]. And then, she is [[spoiler: killed in the same way as her friend Diona along with most of her remaining friends and allies, with her killer [[KickTheDog mockingly referring to her as a "slave"]] moments before he stabs her through the neck and leaves her to bleed out]]. Naevia may have been an absolute pain in the ass at times, especially in ''War of the Damned'', but considering all that she's been through, it's hard not to pity her by the end.

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** Naevia, if you can ignore her Scrappy status. In addition to being a slave all her life, everyone she cares about has a habit of dying. She helped her traumatised best friend escape to freedom...only to be forced to watch her die when she was caught. Her other best friend was accidentally poisoned and her friend Pietros [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide killed himself]]]] after being repeatedly raped, believing his lover had abandoned him, when Naevia knew but was sworn to secrecy that he was [[spoiler: actually murdered]]. She finds happiness with Crixus, only to be [[RapeAsDrama raped by Ashur]], then beaten and humiliated by [[GreenEyedMonster a jealous Lucretia]] and separated from her lover. Naevia then endures an absolutely horrific TraumaCongaLine, in which she sent from one dominius to another and repeatedly raped; on one occasion, a seemingly kindly dominus gave her food and comfort and let her finally feel safe...only to sadistically rape and torture her that same night whilst his family was sleeping. At the end of it, Naevia was then sold to the mines and forced to do hard labour. She is left severely traumatised, seeing herself as DefiledForever and even feeling she would be better off dead. Though she gets over this somewhat, [[FreudianExcuse her trauma turns her]] into a JerkAss BloodKnight who slips dangerously close to AxCrazy territory. She doesn't snap out of it until [[spoiler: she is ForcedToWatch as Crixus is killed in front of her]], robbing her of [[spoiler: the man she loves most and the [[TragicDream happy future she dreamt of with him]]]], before being sent back to the rest of the rebels with [[spoiler: her lover's ''decapitated head'']]. And then, she is [[spoiler: killed in the same way as her friend Diona along with most of her remaining friends and allies, with her killer [[KickTheDog mockingly referring to her as a "slave"]] moments before he stabs her through the neck and leaves her to bleed out]]. Naevia may have been an absolute pain in the ass at times, especially in ''War of the Damned'', but considering all that she's been through, it's hard not to pity her by the end.


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** Aurelia, Varro's wife. Good grief. Her husband has to become a gladiator to pay of gambling debts that have left them broke, and she is [[spoiler: raped and impregnated by a 'family friend' whom she had turned to for help]]. Her husband then ''blames her'' for [[spoiler: the rape]] and rejects her. [[spoiler: Her rapist then comes back for her, forcing her to castrate and/or kill him in self-defense and flee town]]. Just when she and Varro have been reconciled and things are looking up for them, he is [[spoiler: killed by his best friend for the entertainment of a spoilt rich kid]]. With no way of supporting herself, Aurelia [[spoiler: gets an abortion and sells herself into slavery to Batiatus]]. Then, just when she's set free and is off to rejoin her son, she is [[spoiler: captured by the Romans, beaten half to death and nearly publically executed before being rescued...only to die a slow and agonising death from her injuries in the middle of a sewer, begging Spartacus to stay away from her son so that he will be spared his parents' fate]].
30th Apr '17 5:19:46 AM Stevebob
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* MisaimedFandom: UnintentionallySympathetic he may be, Ashur's retribution methods against his tormentors are still not morally acceptable.

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* MisaimedFandom: UnintentionallySympathetic he may be, Ashur's retribution methods against his tormentors are still not morally acceptable. He also hurts or screws over a few innocent people who never did anything to him personally along the way.



** Caesar near the end of the series becomes this.

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** Caesar near the end of the series becomes this. Whilst he's an arrogant {{Jerkass}}, with a few KickTheDog moments, he's a lot nicer than some of the other Romans and has some moments that make him quite likeable, such as becoming genuinely upset when he sees what the rebels did to Roman woman in Sinuessa and by Tiberius's murder of the prostitute, protesting the harsh treatment of Laeta and going out of his way to help Kore, who is a slave. He's really only brutal towards the rebels, which is somewhat understandable, given he ''is'' on the opposite side of the conflict, and none of his actions really warrant being [[spoiler: brutally raped and humiliated by Tiberius, especially as he had been rightly calling him out on his appalling behaviour)]].
30th Apr '17 5:10:27 AM Stevebob
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** Craig Parker (Glaber) previously portrayed the heroic elf, Haldir, in The Lord of the Rings trilogy, whilst Manu Bennett (Crixus) portrayed Azog, one of the main villains of The Hobbit trilogy.



* TheScrappy: Naevia, for many viewers, especially in ''War of the Damned''. See ReplacementScrappy above. Barca can be seen as one too, for reasons outlined under UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap although his final episode made him more sympathetic in some viewers' eyes]].



* TheScrappy: Naevia, for many viewers, especially in ''War of the Damned''. See ReplacementScrappy above. Barca can be seen as one too, for reasons outlined under UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap although his final episode made him more sympathetic in some viewers' eyes]].
23rd Apr '17 6:33:45 PM Stevebob
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* TakeThatScrappy: A minor example, but in ''War of the Damned'', after finding out that Naevia [[spoiler: wrongfully killed his friend Atticus for helping prisoners to escape]], a furious Gannicus finally confronts her over her actions and calls her a "mad bitch", mirroring what many viewers were thinking at this point.

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* TakeThatScrappy: A minor example, but in ''War of the Damned'', after finding out that Naevia [[spoiler: wrongfully killed his friend Atticus Attius for helping prisoners to escape]], a furious Gannicus finally confronts her over her actions and calls her a "mad bitch", mirroring what many viewers were thinking at this point.
23rd Apr '17 6:29:26 PM Stevebob
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* TakeThatScrappy: A minor example, but in ''War of the Damned'', after finding out that Naevia [[spoiler: wrongfully killed his friend Atticus for helping prisoners to escape]], a furious Gannicus finally confronts her over her actions, calls her a "mad bitch" and then proceeds to punch her, mirroring what many viewers were thinking at this point.

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* TakeThatScrappy: A minor example, but in ''War of the Damned'', after finding out that Naevia [[spoiler: wrongfully killed his friend Atticus for helping prisoners to escape]], a furious Gannicus finally confronts her over her actions, actions and calls her a "mad bitch" and then proceeds to punch her, bitch", mirroring what many viewers were thinking at this point.
23rd Apr '17 6:26:23 PM Stevebob
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