History YMMV / SorcererStabberOrphen

11th Apr '18 5:48:57 AM Bisected8
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* ValuesResonance: The deal with [[spoiler: Stephanie being a {{trans sexual}} person]] isn't handled for cheap and offensive laughs. When Orphen explains [[spoiler: how she went from the male-bodied Stephan to the female-bodied Stephanie]], he does it in a matter-of-fact way and doesn't think less of her for it, and later no one's supposed to side with Cleao when she [[InnocentlyInsensitive makes a careless comment about it]]. Not to mention [[spoiler: Stephanie herself is portrayed as a normal and kind person, and her trans sexuality [[DealWithTheDevil is not the]] [[CoolBigSis only character trait]] [[NiceGirl she has]].]]

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* ValuesResonance: The deal with [[spoiler: Stephanie being a {{trans sexual}} {{transgender}} person]] isn't handled for cheap and offensive laughs. When Orphen explains [[spoiler: how she went from the male-bodied Stephan to the female-bodied Stephanie]], he does it in a matter-of-fact way and doesn't think less of her for it, and later no one's supposed to side with Cleao when she [[InnocentlyInsensitive makes a careless comment about it]]. Not to mention [[spoiler: Stephanie herself is portrayed as a normal and kind person, and her trans sexuality gender identity [[DealWithTheDevil is not the]] [[CoolBigSis only character trait]] [[NiceGirl she has]].]]
24th Feb '18 10:00:21 PM Scraggle
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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena]] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with a sorcerer named [=McGregor=] Nielsen [[DespairEventHorizon when he and his daughters are at their lowest point]], saving the girls from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her big sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family (and not before revealing that ''she'' was the girl who died, which Esperanza didn't know) and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.

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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena]] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with a sorcerer named [=McGregor=] Nielsen [[DespairEventHorizon when he and his daughters are at their lowest point]], saving the girls from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her big sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family (and not before revealing that ''she'' was the girl who died, which Esperanza didn't know) and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.
19th Nov '17 10:49:29 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena]] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with the sorcerer [=McGregor=] Nielsen, saving his daughters from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.

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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena]] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with the a sorcerer named [=McGregor=] Nielsen, saving Nielsen [[DespairEventHorizon when he and his daughters are at their lowest point]], saving the girls from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her big sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family (and not before revealing that ''she'' was the girl who died, which Esperanza didn't know) and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.



* TheScrappy: Cleao, mainly for doing almost nothing but bitch and trying to make it all about her.

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* TheScrappy: Cleao, Cleao in the first season, mainly for doing almost nothing but bitch and trying to make it all about her.her. She switches to a BaseBreakingCharacter later, tho.



* ValuesResonance: The deal with [[spoiler: Stephanie being a {{trans sexual}} person]] isn't handled for cheap and offensive laughs. When Orphen explains [[spoiler: how she went from the male-bodied Stephan to the female-bodied Stephanie]], he does it in a matter-of-fact way and doesn't think less of her for it, and later we're not supposed to side with Cleao when she [[InnocentlyInsensitive makes a careless comment about it]]. Not to mention [[spoiler: Stephanie herself is portrayed as a normal and kind person.]]

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* ValuesResonance: The deal with [[spoiler: Stephanie being a {{trans sexual}} person]] isn't handled for cheap and offensive laughs. When Orphen explains [[spoiler: how she went from the male-bodied Stephan to the female-bodied Stephanie]], he does it in a matter-of-fact way and doesn't think less of her for it, and later we're not no one's supposed to side with Cleao when she [[InnocentlyInsensitive makes a careless comment about it]]. Not to mention [[spoiler: Stephanie herself is portrayed as a normal and kind person.person, and her trans sexuality [[DealWithTheDevil is not the]] [[CoolBigSis only character trait]] [[NiceGirl she has]].]]
16th Aug '17 11:04:23 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with the sorcerer [=McGregor=] Nielsen, saving his daughters from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.

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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena] Escalena]] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with the sorcerer [=McGregor=] Nielsen, saving his daughters from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.
16th Aug '17 11:01:29 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[CreepyChild Escalena] from ''Revenge'', the second season of the anime, is a sorcerous beast [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] by the Heavenly Beings countless years ago for the havoc she wreaked upon the world. Escalena makes a [[DealWithTheDevil bargain]] with the sorcerer [=McGregor=] Nielsen, saving his daughters from a deathly illness and resurrecting one of them in exchange for [=McGregor=] sacrificing five sorcerers to her to free her. Escalena erases the memory of [=McGregor=]'s youngest daughter Lycoris and forces her sister Esperanza to constantly edit her memory to use her as a pawn, dispersing her to lure Orphen himself into her clutches. Once she's finally outed as the mastermind behind the plot, Escalena murders Esperanza right in front of the rest of her family and cruelly gloats she never intended on keeping either of [=McGregor=]'s daughters alive, her true goal simply being to break from her seal and destroy the world for nothing more than [[ForTheEvulz her own amusement]], even managing to spitefully kill [=McGregor=] himself in the throes of her own death after Orphen defeats her. By far the most evil of Orphen's usually-sympathetic enemies, Escalena is a deceitful monster, both literally and figuratively.
15th Mar '17 6:34:44 PM secretfan14
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Lycoris has both fans and detractors. Her haters say she's a generic moe {{dojikko}} who does nothing useful during the entire second season, which as it turns out, [[spoiler:completely revolves around her.]] Her fans reply saying that she may not be an ActionGirl but [[PluckyGirl still tries to do what she can]], and [[spoiler: the deal that the season is about her]] [[TheWoobie is not exactly good for her.]]

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Lycoris has both fans and detractors. Her haters say she's a generic moe {{dojikko}} klutz who does nothing useful during the entire second season, which as it turns out, [[spoiler:completely revolves around her.]] Her fans reply saying that she may not be an ActionGirl but [[PluckyGirl still tries to do what she can]], and [[spoiler: the deal that the season is about her]] [[TheWoobie is not exactly good for her.]]
21st Dec '16 11:45:09 AM Silverblade2
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* IronWoobie: Orphen, whose quests bring him terrible pain but he refuses to give in; Stephanie, [[spoiler: due to the DealWithTheDevil]]
* JerkassWoobie: Cleao, since she can be annoying and pushy but has a heart of gold underneath.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Cleao not only gets quite a bit of CharacterDevelopment in the second half of the series, but her RomanticTwoGirlFriendship with Lycoris in ''Revenge'' made several fans warm up to her.



** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: She not only gets quite a bit of CharacterDevelopment in the second half of the series, but her RomanticTwoGirlFriendship with Lycoris in ''Revenge'' made several fans warm up to her.



* StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart; not ever showing how it hurts him inside [[spoiler: and how deeply he blames himself for the deal with Azalie.]]



* TheWoobie: Several kinds.
** JerkassWoobie: Cleao, since she can be annoying and pushy but has a heart of gold underneath.
** IronWoobie: Orphen, whose quests bring him terrible pain but he refuses to give in; Stephanie, [[spoiler: due to the DealWithTheDevil]]
** StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart; not ever showing how it hurts him inside [[spoiler: and how deeply he blames himself for the deal with Azalie.]]
** TheWoobie: Fienna, for being bound to her town and the medium between people and the Dragons no matter what; and later... [[spoiler: LYCORIS!]]

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* TheWoobie: Several kinds.
** JerkassWoobie: Cleao, since she can be annoying and pushy but has a heart of gold underneath.
** IronWoobie: Orphen, whose quests bring him terrible pain but he refuses to give in; Stephanie, [[spoiler: due to the DealWithTheDevil]]
** StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart; not ever showing how it hurts him inside [[spoiler: and how deeply he blames himself for the deal with Azalie.]]
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TheWoobie: Fienna, for being bound to her town and the medium between people and the Dragons no matter what; and later... [[spoiler: LYCORIS!]]
30th Jul '16 7:59:05 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Lycoris has both fans and detractors. Her haters say she's a generic moe {{dojikko}} who does nothing useful during the entire second season, which as it turns out, [[spoiler:completely revolves around her.]] Her fans reply saying that she may not be an ActionGirl but [[PluckyGirl still tries to do what she can]], and [[spoiler: the deal that the season is about her]] [[TheWoobie is not exactly good for her.]]

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Lycoris has both fans and detractors. Her haters say she's a generic moe {{dojikko}} who does nothing useful during the entire second season, which as it turns out, [[spoiler:completely revolves around her.]] Her fans reply saying that she may not be an ActionGirl but [[PluckyGirl still tries to do what she can]], and [[spoiler: the deal that the season is about her]] [[TheWoobie is not exactly good for her.]]
9th Jan '14 5:59:06 AM Orihime
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* DieForOurShip: How ''dares'' Cleao get in the way of Orphen and (insert: Majic, Hartia, Azalie)!
** [[spoiler:However, at least in the novels she eventually ''does'' get him, as the new series revealed.]]

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* DieForOurShip: How ''dares'' Cleao get in the way of Orphen and (insert: Majic, Hartia, Azalie)!
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Azalie)! [[spoiler:However, at least in the novels she eventually ''does'' get him, as the new series revealed.]]



* SeasonalRot: ''Revenge'' suffers from decay of all kinds, and not because it's LighterAndSofter.

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* SeasonalRot: ''Revenge'' suffers from decay of all kinds, and not because it's LighterAndSofter. Though it goes better towards the end, according to some.
* ValuesResonance: The deal with [[spoiler: Stephanie being a {{trans sexual}} person]] isn't handled for cheap and offensive laughs. When Orphen explains [[spoiler: how she went from the male-bodied Stephan to the female-bodied Stephanie]], he does it in a matter-of-fact way and doesn't think less of her for it, and later we're not supposed to side with Cleao when she [[InnocentlyInsensitive makes a careless comment about it]]. Not to mention [[spoiler: Stephanie herself is portrayed as a normal and kind person.]]



** StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart; not ever showing how it hurts him inside

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** StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart; not ever showing how it hurts him insideinside [[spoiler: and how deeply he blames himself for the deal with Azalie.]]
15th Jul '13 11:04:20 AM redmon
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** StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart;

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** StoicWoobie: [[spoiler: Childman]], due to his emotional baggage and noble heart; not ever showing how it hurts him inside
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