History YMMV / SonysSpiderManUniverse

* TheChrisCarterEffect: A major criticism of this "cinematic universe" is that, even several movies in, no one is sure how any of them are meant to consolidate into a "universe" at all, and it feels more like the writers are throwing random Spider-Man periphery characters at a wall just to see if anything sticks, making it hard to get invested in the overarching story when none of the characters have connections to each other and the scripts are being rewritten repeatedly. This is especially apparent with the post-credits scenes for ''Let There Be Carnage'' and ''Morbius'', both of which teased some sort of connection to the MCU, but ultimately caused far more ''confusion'' than hype. The franchise's frustrating tendency to continue baiting the audience with tantalizing hints of Spider-Man (including with blatantly misleading trailers and dubiously canon WordOfGod), but repeatedly refusing to even mention him or give even the slightest indication of his role in this continuity after several movies also makes the idea of any worthwhile payoff seem unlikely.

*** [[EvilutionaryBiologist Dr. Carlton Drake]] is the CEO of Life Industries with [[AGodAmI a god complex]]. Coming into possession of the symbiotes, Drake [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments with homeless people]], having them attached to and devoured by the symbiotes in massive numbers to learn how to control them, even using the Symbiote to murder a doctor who assists [[Characters/SSUEddieBrockVenom Eddie Brock]]. When he merges with the Symbiote Riot, Drake eagerly embraces his newfound power and assists Riot in killing all in his path, intending to bring the Symbiotes to [[MisanthropeSupreme devour all humanity to satisfy his ego]].

* OlderThanTheyThink: A common criticism about the SSU is how Sony is trying to turn Spider-Man villains into anti-heroes, which many claim is the reason why it doesn't work. However, this is actually been untrue so far; while both Venom and Morbius started out as villains, they have been anti-heroes for a long time, with Kraven being the only villain character being made an anti-hero. A likely reason for this perception is that many adaptations primarily focus on Spider-Man's early years and never show characters like Venom becoming anti-heroes like in the comics, creating the impression that he has always been a villain.

* FandomRivalry: With some fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, at least in regards to those who enjoy Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man films, as they feared it could cause Sony to revoke Spider-Man's permission to be in the MCU if were successful enough (which, surely enough, turned out to be the case briefly after the release of ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' before the deal with Creator/MarvelStudios was renewed). The existence of these movies also means that fan-favorite characters like Venom are now unusable in the MCU, where many feel that the characters would receive a much better adaptation due to Marvel Studios' generally better track record. [[spoiler:And even with TheStinger of ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' teasing that the MCU ''will'' have its own version of Venom in the future, the fact that this was only able to happen because Tom Hardy's version of the character left behind a part of the symbiote in that universe had plenty of fans feeling conflicted about the explicit connection.]] The fact that Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries previous attempt]] at creating a SharedUniverse revolving around only Spider-Man and his associated characters died with its second film hasn't helped, especially since the SSU goes one step further than that and ''removes Spider-Man entirely'' from these characters' backstories, despite many of them, like Venom, ''requiring his involvement in order to even exist''. This rivalry increased after [[spoiler:Creator/MichaelKeaton's Vulture from ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' appeared in the mid-credits scenes of ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' as a consequence of the events in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', with them being one of many who hated the the idea since it felt like Sony was trying hard to make more connections to the MCU regardless of plot holes it causes and also prevents the character making a reappearance in future MCU Spider-Man films]]. This continued when it was announced that Donald Glover would portray Hypno-Hustler in the SSU, which seemingly might end any hopes of him returning as the Prowler in the MCU, having played Aaron Davis in ''Spider-Man: Homecoming''.
* FriendlyFandoms: A minor example, but fans of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' have gravitated to the SSU since the release of ''Spider-Man: No Way Home'' as the positive reception to Creator/AndrewGarfield's return to the character has led many to hoping that the films will [[{{Retcon}} be made part]] of the SSU. This way Garfield can return as Spider-Man and have his story continued, while also fixing a common complaint about the SSU which is its lack of connection to Spider-Man ([[spoiler:or in the case of ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' trying too much to connect with the MCU's version of the character]]). [[spoiler:''Madame Web'' however shows Peter Parker being born in 2003, which conflicts with the timeline of ''The Amazing Spider-Man'' films, so unless ''Madame Web'' is retconned to be non-canon to the SSU then this is not going to happen]].

* FriendlyFandoms: A minor example, but fans of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' have gravitated to the SSU since the release of ''Spider-Man: No Way Home'' as the positive reception to Creator/AndrewGarfield's return to the character has led many to hoping that the films will [[{{Retcon}} be made part]] of the SSU. This way Garfield can return as Spider-Man and have his story continued, while also fixing a common complaint about the SSU which is its lack of connection to Spider-Man ([[spoiler:or in the case of ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' trying too much to connect with the MCU's version of the character]]).

** The decision to make films about Spider-Man villains has also been criticised, with the Madame Web solo film and the planned Silk TV show being the only exceptions. While it's understandable considering that the most well known Spider-Man characters tend to be his villains, it's been pointed out that Sony could have made films on the heroes associated with him such as the Hobie Brown version of Prowler or Comicbook/SpiderMan2099. Those who dislike the idea feel that Sony is attempting to superficially appear more mature and DarkerAndEdgier than the MCU, while those who don't mind it feel that it at least sets the SSU apart from the MCU and other superhero films.

* FandomRivalry: With some fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, at least in regards to those who enjoy Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man films, as they feared it could cause Sony to revoke Spider-Man's permission to be in the MCU if were successful enough (which, surely enough, turned out to be the case briefly after the release of ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' before the deal with Creator/MarvelStudios was renewed). The existence of these movies also means that fan-favorite characters like Venom are now unusable in the MCU, where many feel that the characters would receive a much better adaptation due to Marvel Studios' generally better track record. [[spoiler:And even with TheStinger of ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome teasing that the MCU ''will'' have its own version of Venom in the future, the fact that this was only able to happen because Tom Hardy's version of the character left behind a part of the symbiote in that universe had plenty of fans feeling conflicted about the explicit connection.]] The fact that Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries previous attempt]] at creating a SharedUniverse revolving around only Spider-Man and his associated characters died with its second film hasn't helped, especially since the SSU goes one step further than that and ''removes Spider-Man entirely'' from these characters' backstories, despite many of them, like Venom, ''requiring his involvement in order to even exist''. This rivalry increased after [[spoiler:Creator/MichaelKeaton's Vulture from ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' appeared in the mid-credits scenes of ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' as a consequence of the events in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', with them being one of many who hated the the idea since it felt like Sony was trying hard to make more connections to the MCU regardless of plot holes it causes and also prevents the character making a reappearance in future MCU Spider-Man films]]. This continued when it was announced that Donald Glover would portray Hypno-Hustler in the SSU, which seemingly might end any hopes of him returning as the Prowler in the MCU, having played Aaron Davis in ''Spider-Man: Homecoming''.

* FandomRivalry: With some fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, at least in regards to those who enjoy Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man films, as they feared it could cause Sony to revoke Spider-Man's permission to be in the MCU if were successful enough (which, surely enough, turned out to be the case briefly after the release of ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' before the deal with Creator/MarvelStudios was renewed). The existence of these movies also means that fan-favorite characters like Venom are now unusable in the MCU, where many feel that the characters would receive a much better adaptation due to Marvel Studios' generally better track record. The fact that Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries previous attempt]] at creating a SharedUniverse revolving around only Spider-Man and his associated characters died with its second film hasn't helped, especially since the SSU goes one step further than that and ''removes Spider-Man entirely'' from these characters' backstories, despite many of them, like Venom, ''requiring his involvement in order to even exist''. This rivalry increased after [[spoiler:Creator/MichaelKeaton's Vulture from ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' appeared in the mid-credits scenes of ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' as a consequence of the events in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', with them being one of many who hated the the idea since it felt like Sony was trying hard to make more connections to the MCU regardless of plot holes it causes and also prevents the character making a reappearance in future MCU Spider-Man films]]. This continued when it was announced that Donald Glover would portray Hypno-Hustler in the SSU, which seemingly might end any hopes of him returning as the Prowler in the MCU, having played Aaron Davis in ''Spider-Man: Homecoming''.

* NarmCharm: The most common description of these films is that they feel like comic book films from [[TurnOfTheMillennium the 2000s]] but with more modern CGI and special effects, which for some has an odd appeal.

* SoOkayItsAverage: At their best, the movies of the SSU are just considered mediocre, being very typical beat-for-beat regurgitations of "pragmatic superhero origin" movies, once you take away the vague Spider-Man periphery connecting the movies, with frequent criticisms that they feel like they're riding on a trend about fifteen or twenty years too late ([[Film/Daredevil2003 a trend]] [[Film/Catwoman2004 which]] [[Film/{{Hulk}} was]] [[Film/{{Elektra}} rarely]] [[Film/FantasticFourDuology done]] [[Film/GhostRiderDuology well to]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 begin]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone with]]) and don't really stand out from said trend outside of using Spider-Man characters.

* ShockingMoments: The trailer for ''Film/Morbius2022'' includes two MCU references -- A Spider-Man mural with "Murderer" written over it[[labelnote:note (spoilers for ''Far From Home'')]]Referencing how Spidey was framed for Quentin Beck's murder in ''Far From Home''[[/labelnote]] and Michael Keaton, who played Adrian Toomes from ''Homecoming'' -- which has caused a lot of speculation on whether the two universes are going to be merged after all.[[labelnote:note (spoilers for ''Let There Be Carnage'', ''Morbius'', and ''No Way Home'')]] Though many assume this is a blatant case of NeverTrustATrailer, especially since Michael Keaton's character has suspiciously not been identified by official sources, and the Spider-Man mural is an obvious screenshot from ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4'', one of the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Webbed Suit]] at that, instead of one of the multiple MCU costumes in that game. ''No Way Home'' would establish the two universes as part of the same multiverse, with Strange's first memory wipe spell that went wrong bringing Eddie Brock and the Symbiote into the MCU, while his second spell somehow brings Vulture into the SSU, where he meets Michael Morbius.[[/labelnote]]
* SoOkayItsAverage: Combined with NarmCharm, most positive reviews suggest that people who like these films like them because they aren't the same quality that is expected of the MCU and can be considered bad in comparison. Considering how the MCU films have often been accused of being formulaic with fans having expectations that are usually met, it makes sense that some would enjoy Marvel films that don't follow this formula.

* OlderThanTheyThink:
** A common criticism about the SSU is how Sony is trying to turn Spider-Man villains into anti-heroes, which many claim is the reason why it doesn't work. However, this is actually been untrue so far; while both Venom and Morbius started out as villains, they have been anti-heroes for a long time, with Kraven being the only villain character being made an anti-hero. A likely reason for this perception is that many adaptations primarily focus on Spider-Man's early years and never show characters like Venom becoming anti-heroes like in the comics, creating the impression that he has always been a villain.

** "Didn't see that coming." [[labelnote:Explanation]]The reaction many people had on social media when Creator/AaronTaylorJohnson was cast as [[Characters/MarvelComicsKravenTheHunter Kraven the Hunter]], referring to Pietro Maximoff's {{Catchphrase}} in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''.[[/labelnote]]

* SoOkayItsAverage: Combined with NarmCharm, most positive reviews suggest that people who like these films like them because they aren't the same quality that is expected of the MCU and can be considered bad in comparison (though the MCU has had a few critical duds in the past years). Considering how the MCU films have often been accused of being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks formulaic]] with fans having expectations that are usually met, it makes sense that some would enjoy Marvel films that don't follow this formula.

** People have mocked the decision to make films about Madame Web and El Muerto due to their obscurity in comparison to other Spider-Man characters, but it's worth noting that making films about obscure characters is how the MCU became so successful.

** ''[[Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage Let There Be Carnage]]'': The [[Characters/MarvelComicsCarnage Carnage]] symbiote, after being born from a distillation of Eddie Brock/Venom's blood within the body of the psychotic murderer [[Characters/CarnageCletusKasady Cletus Kasady]], comes to bloody life by massacring a prison's worth of guards in order to breakout. As sadistic as Cletus but with none of [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his redeeming features]], the Carnage symbiote murders and eats dozens of innocents on the streets of San Francisco, such as those who plead they have innocent families and a priest it munches for a cheap power-up, and it gleefully intends to slaughter the rest of San Francisco. In the climax, the symbiote tries to [[AntagonisticOffspring murder its "father" Venom]] alongside Eddie's ex-girlfriend Anne, and callously attempts to kill Cletus's beloved partner-in-crime Frances "Shriek" Barrison out of sheer annoyance with her powers and the effect they have on it.

** “Kraven the Animal Lover.” [[labelnote:Explanation]]Creator/AaronTaylorJohnson [[https://cosmicbook.news/kraven-animal-lover-aaron-taylor-johnson?amp described Kraven the hunter as an “Animal Lover”]], despite the fact that he is a hunter who literally wears a jacket made of lion hide leading to confusion among fans. [[/labelnote]]

* NarmCharm: The most common description of these films is that they feel like comic book films from the [[TurnOfTheMillennium 2000s]] but with a more modern CGI and special effects, which for some has an odd appeal.

** The concept of making a SharedUniverse about Spider-Man related characters owned by Sony without including Spider-Man has faced plenty of criticism, most of it being similar to the criticisms of Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries last attempt]] at starting a cinematic universe. Those who are against it feel that Sony is just trying to hold onto the rights and that the SSU prevents the MCU from making better adaptations of characters like Venom. On the other hand there are those who feel the idea is not necessarily a bad one given how many characters are connected with Spider-Man and it could give more obscure characters a chance to become more popular, much like what happened with the MCU, but have complained about Sony's decisions in regards to which characters get films. Venom made plenty of sense due to being one of the most popular Spider-Man foes, and to a lesser degree so did Morbius and Kraven the Hunter due to both characters already having fans, but people have been left confused that characters like Madame Web, El Muerto and Hypno-Hustler are also getting films.

*** [[LightIsNotGood The Riot symbiote]] is the "team leader" of the planned symbiote invasion force coming to Earth, and one of the four symbiotes brought back to Earth by the Life Foundation. Riot escapes, [[BodySurf surfing from host to host]] and eating them alive from the inside-out--with two of his hosts being an old woman and a [[WouldHurtAChild little girl]]--while leaving a slew of slaughtered innocents behind him. Riot bonds to Carlton Drake in the climax to send out a probe to bring the rest of his kind to Earth and allow them to feed on all humanity, massacring the entirety of Drake's staff when he's informed there may be a delay. Riot is apathetic to the death of even the other symbiotes who died in Carlton Drake's care, and decides to even kill Venom when he goes renegade.

* FandomRivalry: With some fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, at least in regards to those who enjoy Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man films, as they feared it could cause Sony to revoke Spider-Man's permission to be in the MCU if were successful enough (which, surely enough, turned out to be the case briefly after the release of ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' before the deal with Creator/MarvelStudios was renewed). The existence of these movies also means that fan-favorite characters like Venom are now unusable in the MCU, where many feel that the characters would receive a much better adaptation due to Marvel Studios' generally better track record. The fact that Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries previous attempt]] at creating a SharedUniverse revolving around only Spider-Man and his associated characters died with its second film hasn't helped, especially since the SSU goes one step further than that and ''removes Spider-Man entirely'' from these characters' backstories, despite many of them, like Venom, ''requiring his involvement in order to even exist''. This rivalry increased after [[spoiler:Creator/MichaelKeaton's Vulture from ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' appeared in the mid-credits scenes of ''{{Film/Morbius|2022}}'' as a consequence of the events in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', with them being one of many who hated the the idea since it felt like Sony was trying hard to make more connections to the MCU regardless of plot holes it causes and also prevents the character making a reappearance in future MCU Spider-Man films]]. This continued when it was announced that Donald Glover would portray Hypno-Hustler in the SSU, which seemingly might end any hopes of him returning as the Prowler in the MCU, having played Aaron Davis in ''Spider-Man: Homecoming''.
* FriendlyFandoms: A minor example, but fans of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' have gravitated to the SSU since the release of ''Spider-Man: No Way Home'' as the positive reception to Creator/AndrewGarfield’s return to the character has led many to hoping that the films will [[{{Retcon}} be made part]] of the SSU. This way Garfield can return as Spider-Man and have his story continued, while also fixing a common complaint about the SSU which is it’s lack of connection to Spider-Man ([[spoiler:or in the case of ''{{Film/Morbius|2022}}'' trying too much to connect with the MCU’s version of the character]]).

** A common criticism about the SSU is how Sony is trying to turn Spider-Man villains into antiheroes, which many claim is the reason why it doesn't work. However this is actually been untrue so far, as while both Venom and Morbius started out as a villains they have been antiheroes for a long time with Kraven being the only villain character being made an antihero. A likely reason for this perception is that many adaptations primarily focus on Spider-Man's early years and never show characters like Venom becoming antiheroes like in the comics, creating the impression that he has always been a villain.

* ShockingMoments: The trailer for ''Film/Morbius2022'' includes two MCU references -- A Spider-Man mural with "Murderer" written over it[[labelnote:note (spoilers for ''Far From Home'')]]Referencing how Spidey was framed for Quentin Beck's murder in ''Far From Home''[[/labelnote]] and Michael Keaton, who played Adrian Toomes from ''Homecoming'' -- which has caused a lot of speculation on whether the two universes are going to be merged after all.[[labelnote:note (spoilers for ''Let There Be Carnage'', ''Morbius'', and ''No Way Home'')]] Though many assume this is a blatant case of NeverTrustATrailer, especially since Michael Keaton's character has suspiciously not been identified by official sources, and the Spider-Man mural is an obvious screenshot from ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4'', one of the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Webbed Suit]] at that, instead of one of the multiple MCU costumes in that game. ''No Way Home'' would establish the two universes as part of the same Multiverse, with Strange's first memory wipe spell that went wrong bringing Eddie Brock and the Symbiote into the MCU, while his second spell somehow brings Vulture into the SSU, where he meets Michael Morbius.[[/labelnote]]

** El Muerto getting his own movie is especially odd given that the character only appeared in a two-parter in the pages of ''Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man'' in 2006, and hasn’t made a single appearance since. At the time the film was announced he didn't even have his own folder on the Spider-Man character page on [[Website/TVTropes This Very Wiki!]]
** A Hypno-Hustler film got a similar reaction to the El Muerto announcement, though in comparison people were a little bit more optimistic and positive due to Hypno-Hustler at least being a reoccurring member of Spidey's rogues gallery, even if he isn't that popular, while many noted having Creator/DonaldGlover play a music themed character makes some sense due to him being a singer and a rapper.

* MemeticBadass: With the announcement of a solo movie for ''El Muerto'', a character who only appeared in two issues in 2006 and is so obscure he doesn't even have a proper article on Website/TheOtherWiki nor his own folder on the Spidey Rogues page on Website/ThisVeryWiki, fans have joked that this luchador must be absurdly strong if he got his own movie.

* OlderThanTheyThink: People have mocked the decision to make films about Madame Web and El Muerto due to their obscurity in comparison to other Spider-Man characters, but it's worth noting that making films about obscure characters is how the MCU became so successful.

* JustHereForGodzilla: Fans of the MCU versions of the ''Spider-Man'' characters seem to be open to the idea of seeing more of the likes of Tom Holland's Spider-Man and J. K. Simmons's J. Jonah Jameson in the setting after rumors indicated that they would be involved with these movies.

* SoOkayItsAverage: Combined with NarmCharm, most positive reviews suggest that people who like these films like them because they aren't the same quality that is expected of the MCU and can be considered bad in comparison. Considering how the MCU films have often been accused of being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks formulaic]] with fans having expectations that are usually met, it makes sense that some would enjoy Marvel films that don't follow this formula.

** The concept of making a SharedUniverse about Spider-Man related characters owned by Sony without including Spider-Man has faced plenty of criticism, most of it being similar to the criticisms of Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries last attempt]] at starting a cinematic universe. Those who are against it feel that Sony is just trying to hold onto the rights and that the SSU prevents the MCU from making better adaptations of characters like Venom. On the other hand there are those who feel the idea is not necessarily a bad one given how many characters are connected with Spider-Man and it could give more obscure characters a chance to become more popular, much like what happened with the MCU, but have complained about Sony's decisions in regards to which characters get films. Venom made plenty of sense due to being one of the most popular Spider-Man foes, and to a lesser degree so did Morbius and Kraven the Hunter due to both characters already having fans, but people have been left confused that characters like Madame Web and El Muerto are also getting films.

* FandomRivalry: With some fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, at least in regards to those who enjoy Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man films, as they feared it could cause Sony to revoke Spider-Man's permission to be in the MCU if were successful enough (which, surely enough, turned out to be the case briefly after the release of ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' before the deal with Creator/MarvelStudios was renewed). The existence of these movies also means that fan-favorite characters like Venom are now unusable in the MCU, where many feel that the characters would receive a much better adaptation due to Marvel Studios' generally better track record. The fact that Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries previous attempt]] at creating a SharedUniverse revolving around only Spider-Man and his associated characters died with its second film hasn't helped, especially since the SSU goes one step further than that and ''removes Spider-Man entirely'' from these characters' backstories, despite many of them, like Venom, ''requiring his involvement in order to even exist''. [[spoiler:This rivalry increased after Creator/MichaelKeaton's Vulture from ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' appeared in the mid-credits scenes of ''{{Film/Morbius|2022}}'' as a consequence of the events in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', with them being one of many who hated the the idea since it felt like Sony was trying hard to make more connections to the MCU regardless of plot holes it causes and also prevents the character making a reappearance in future MCU Spider-Man films.]]

* UnexpectedCharacter: El Muerto getting his own movie is especially odd given that the character only appeared in a two-parter in the pages of ''Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man'' in 2006, and hasn’t made a single appearance since. At the time the film was announed he didn't even have his own folder on the Spider-Man character page on [[Website/TVTropes This Very Wiki!]]

** The concept of making a SharedUniverse about Spider-Man related characters owned by Sony without including Spider-Man has faced plenty of criticism, most of it being similar to the criticisms of Sony's [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries last attempt]] at starting a cinematic universe. Those who are against it feel that Sony is just trying to hold onto the rights and that the SSU prevents the MCU from making better adaptations of characters like Venom. On the other hand there are those who feel the idea is not necessarily a bad one given how many characters are connected with Spider-Man and it could give more obscure characers a chance to become more popular, but have complained about Sony's decisions in regards to which characters get films. Venom made plenty of sense due to being one of the most popular Spider-Man foes, and to a lesser degree so did Morbius and Kraven the Hunter, but people have been left confused that characters like Madame Web and El Muerto are also getting films.

** The decision to make films about Spider-Man villains has also been criticised, with the Madame Web solo film and the planned Silk tv show being the only exceptions. While it's understandable considering that the most well known Spider-Man characters tend to be his villains, it's been pointed out that Sony could have made films on the heroes associated with him such as the Hobie Brown version of Prowler or Comicbook/SpiderMan2099. Those who dislike the idea feel that Sony is attempting to superficially appear more mature and DarkerAndEdgier than the MCU, while those who don't mind it feel that it at least sets the SSU apart from the MCU and other superhero films.

* UnexpectedCharacter: El Muerto getting his own movie is especially odd given that the character only appeared in a two-parter in the pages of ''Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man'' in 2006, and hasn’t made a single appearance since. At the time the film was announed he didn't even have his own folder in the Spider-Man's Rouges Gallery character page on [[Website/TVTropes This Very Wiki!]]

* MemeticBadass: With the announcement of a solo movie for ''El Muerto'', a character who only appeared in two issues in 2006 and is so obscure he doesn't even have a proper article on Wiki/TheOtherWiki nor his own folder on the Spidey Rogues page on Website/ThisVeryWiki, fans have joked that this luchador must be absurdly strong if he got his own movie.

* UnexpectedCharacter: El Muerto getting his own movie is especially odd given that the character only appeared in a two-parter in the pages of ''Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man'' in 2006, and hasn’t made a single appearance since. At the time the film was announed he didn't even have his own folder in the Spider-Man's Rouges Gallery character page on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki!]]