History YMMV / SherlockHolmes

30th Nov '16 7:06:00 AM Morgenthaler
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!!''Film/SherlockHolmes'' (the 2009 film starring Robert Downey Jr and Jude Law)

* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The ginger midget is a [[TokenMinority twofer]].
* AccidentalInnuendo: "Gently, gently, Watson. Be gentle with me!" No way is this one accidental. Not with Downey playing Holmes.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** The musical score by Hans Zimmer is so wonderfully eclectic. Who knew a harpsichord could sound so epic?
** "Rocky Road to Dublin" played by ''The Dubliners,'' played over Holmes' pit fighting scene, and again over the ending credits.
** The film's distinctive piano tones? Done by Zimmer and his crew taking an old piano and doing "hideous things" to it just to get it [[StylisticSuck as out of tune as he wanted]].
* CrazyAwesome: Holmes, who else?!
* EarWorm: The main theme, which pops up over the course of the film in different styles (from Creator/HansZimmer, ''of course'').
* FandomRivalry: With the similarly recent and contemporary audience-aiming ''{{Series/Sherlock}}''.
* GeniusBonus:
** The revolver that Holmes leaves behind causing Watson to say "He left it there on purpose" to the dog? It's a [[StealthPun Webley Bulldog]].
** Also, the revolver he uses as the base for his [[HollywoodSilencer homemade silencer]]? A [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895 Nagant M1895]] revolver. [[ImproperlyPlacedFirearms It's a Russian gun that wasn't made until four years later]], but it's also the only revolver that ''can'' have a silencer put on it in real life.
** Holmes credits Adler on "Scandal ruins engagement between Habsburg Prince and Romanov Princess," a subtle reference to the original story, a ''Scandal in Bohemia'', where Irene Adler plays a major role. Bohemia, of course, was part of Austria-Hungary, ruled by the House of Habsburg.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** In-universe. At the end of the first movie. Irene teases Holmes that he'll miss her which he agrees. Then came the opening of the second movie and Holmes later learning of her fate...
** Irene also drugs him in the first film, and he doesn't realize at first. [[spoiler: She dies by drinking poisoned tea]].
* HilariousInHindsight: Stephen Fry flirted with Hugh Laurie on ''Series/ABitOfFryAndLaurie''. Laurie went on to play Series/{{House}} (who was based very heavily on Holmes), and Stephen Fry went on to play Mycroft. [[{{Squick}} Does that make it incest?]]
* HoYay:
** Already a major part of fanon regarding Holmes and Watson, but the movies intentionally play it up as much as they can. Check HoYay.SherlockHolmes for extensive details.
** In the run-up to the film's release, Downey trolled the media by making remarks in an interview implying that the film would have heavy homoeroticism between Holmes and Watson, making it sound as if they might even end up shagging on screen. This provoked at least one conservative pundit to publicly show his total ignorance of the existence of {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s.
* MagnificentBastard:
** Lord Blackwood.
** And [[spoiler:Moriarty]].
** A case could be made for Holmes as well, particularly with the examination of one of Dredger's comrades in Watson's room. Holmes knows exactly how to pique Watson's interest, tricks him into supplying the answer to a question, and when he leaves to investigate a factory by the wharf, conveniently leaves his revolver behind, knowing that Watson will follow him to see that he has it. Watson realizes this as well. "He's left it there on purpose."
* MisBlamed:
** Many aspects of the film (i.e. Holmes and especially Watson - stereotyped as a bumbling sidekick - as action heroes, Holmes as a bohemian) which were criticized as being unfaithful to the original stories actually are (relatively) faithful to them - it's PopCulturalOsmosis of [[LostInImitation less faithful adaptations]] that makes these aspects seem especially out-of-place. (Still, one mustn't discount the undeniable CharacterExaggeration in this interpretation.)
** The movie also lacks Holmes's deerstalker hat, calabash pipe, and the "Elementary, my dear Watson!" catchphrase, all of which are extremely common in adaptations of ''Literature/SherlockHolmes''. As its name implies, the deerstalker was made for hunters, not for everyday city wear. It's only mentioned twice in the stories[[note]]not actually called a "deerstalker", but it's the only hat that fits the description, and thusly illustrated[[/note]], worn by Holmes appropriately in the countryside, while most contemporary illustrations show Holmes using a straight billard pipe - the calabash came from an early stage adaptation whose lead chose the pipe so his mouth would not be obstructed. Despite this, both become part of his IconicOutfit wherever he goes. As for "Elementary, my dear Watson!", Holmes [[BeamMeUpScotty never said the exact phrase]] in the stories.
* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Film/{{Vidocq}}'', a 2001 French film, has many features similar to the first movie. Its protagonist is Eugene Francois Vidocq (1775 - 1857), a real-life French [[ReformedCriminal criminal-turned-investigator]] who is often called the first PrivateDetective of all time. Instead of using established "canon" material, it pits Vidocq against a supernatural killer who ostensibly uses magic to murder his victims and has ties to the very top of Parisian society. Recycle these ideas [[RecycledInSpace IN LONDON]] and you've got this film.
* {{Squick}}: The slaughterhouse sequence. How they showed pigs being sliced in half and getting a PG-13 rating is a mystery worthy of Holmes. Perhaps slicing up pig carcasses, as opposed to living pigs, is fair game for the censors.
** That scene was made more disturbing for many by the sounds the band saw made while cutting through the meat. In addition to the usual mechanical whizzing a saw would make, the effects team added the shrill sound of a pig squealing in pain or terror to the saw noise. The overall effect of the sound was brilliantly subtle and made the scene even more uncomfortable to watch than it would've been normally.
* TaintedByThePreview: There was much wailing and rending of garments on the news that Creator/RobertDowneyJr. and Jude Law had been cast as the leads in, and Guy Ritchie was to direct a ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' movie. Holmesians all around the world were wary, mainly because Downey Jr didn't look like Holmes as he was described and illustrated in the books at all, but some maintained a let's wait and see attitude. Furthermore, Guy Ritchie's previous films, style and recent lack of notable success inspired worry. Then the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI trailer]] came out, that made Holmes seem more like if ''Series/{{House}}'' and ''Film/IronMan'' had a baby in Victorian times than the real Sherlock Holmes and everyone ''but'' the fans were happy. Some gave up and feared the worst and some preferred to [[NeverTrustATrailer Wait and See]]. [[BrokenBase Heated Arguments arose]] and every new clip and trailer served to make the matters worse, but some minds were changed. Then the movie came out, and while opinions on how good of a story it was differ, most agree that Downey and Law did a great job as Holmes and Watson while others put them amongst the most beloved like Brett and David Burke/Edward Hardwicke. One thing to note though is that very few and maybe no Holmesians claimed that it was ruined since the 123-year-old Fandom has seen worse, a lot worse, this decade alone (see: ''Case of Evil'').
* TheUntwist: The identity of Irene Adler's employer ([[spoiler:Professor Moriarty]]) is this to a lot of people. Given that we are actually told early on that he's a professor, it's possible that the director intended it as a [[GeniusBonus Fan Bonus]] so that it would be obvious only to fans.
* WTHCastingAgency: At first, people are skeptical about choosing [[Creator/RobertDowneyJr the guy]] who played Creator/CharlieChaplin, [[Film/IronMan Tony "Iron Man" Stark]] and [[Film/TropicThunder Kirk "a dude playin' a dude, disguised as another dude" Lazarus]] as Holmes. Being the skilled actor he is, he ''nailed'' it. Downey Jr. ''himself'' was at first puzzled as to why they wanted him for the part.
26th Nov '16 8:53:25 PM ProfessorDetective
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*** Tying into this, some may question whether the bumbling renditions of Watson such as that of Nigel Bruce are the most incompetent or the most sane. While more cerebral renditions of Watson are quicker to lose patience or judge Holmes and his eccentric methods, the more buffoonish ones are more passive, smart enough to know Holmes will figure everything out and usually playing OnlySaneMan while the more skeptical cast question or try to intervene.

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*** Tying into this, some may question whether the bumbling renditions of Watson such as that of Nigel Bruce are the most incompetent or the most sane.sanest. While more cerebral renditions of Watson are quicker to lose patience or judge Holmes and his eccentric methods, the more buffoonish ones are more passive, smart enough to know Holmes will figure everything out and usually playing OnlySaneMan while the more skeptical cast question or try to intervene.



* AwesomeEgo: Sherlock Holmes is very full of his own intellect, and loves flattery -- and the readers tend to love him for it.

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* AwesomeEgo: Sherlock Holmes is very full of ''very'' sure of his own superior intellect, and loves flattery -- and the readers tend to love him for it.



** Irene Adler, who only appeared in one story of the original tales, but is popular among those who wrote Holmes-based novels, TV and movies, especially for a [[PromotedToLoveInterest Promotion To Love Interest]].

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** Irene Adler, who only appeared in one story of the original tales, but is popular among those who wrote Holmes-based novels, TV TV, and movies, especially for a [[PromotedToLoveInterest Promotion To Love Interest]].



** Watson's first wife, Mary, often gets given a bigger and more assertive role than in the original canon; like Irene Adler, she's popular with modern writers looking to add more prominent female roles and/or expand her role as Watson's love interest. Tied in to this, newer adaptations often spare her the BusCrash fate from the books and have her be more actively involved in Holmes's investigations.

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** Watson's first wife, Mary, often gets given a bigger and more assertive role than in the original canon; like Irene Adler, she's popular with modern writers looking to add more prominent female roles and/or expand her role as Watson's love interest. Tied in to into this, newer adaptations often spare her the BusCrash fate from the books and have her be more actively involved in Holmes's investigations.



* DorkAge: Briefly, when the production team decided to retool the series from hour long episodes to feature-length ones: "The Master Blackmailer", "The Last Vampyre" and "The Eligible Bachelor", the latter two bearing absolutely no resemblance to anything Conan Doyle ever wrote.

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* DorkAge: Briefly, when the production team decided to retool the series from hour long hour-long episodes to feature-length ones: "The Master Blackmailer", "The Last Vampyre" and "The Eligible Bachelor", the latter two bearing absolutely no resemblance to anything Conan Doyle ever wrote.



* SeasonalRot: Beginning with "The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes" the series began to decline. For the first few seasons, the production team had cherry picked the best and most well known stories to adapt, now they were left with average to mediocre ones, and some of the episodes began to derail from their source material. Special mention goes to "The Last Vampyre" and "The Eligible Bachelor" which were the final feature length episodes which bear '''no''' resemblance to the ''short'' stories they were suppose to be based on.

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* SeasonalRot: Beginning with "The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes" the series began to decline. For the first few seasons, the production team had cherry picked cherry-picked the best and most well known well-known stories to adapt, now they were left with average to mediocre ones, and some of the episodes began to derail from their source material. Special mention goes to "The Last Vampyre" and "The Eligible Bachelor" which were the final feature length episodes which bear '''no''' resemblance to the ''short'' stories they were suppose supposed to be based on.



** In-universe. At the end of the first movie. Irene tease Holmes that he'll miss her which he agrees. Then came the opening of the second movie and Holmes later learning of her fate...
** Irene also drugs him in the first film, and he doesn't realise at first. [[spoiler: She dies by drinking poisoned tea]].

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** In-universe. At the end of the first movie. Irene tease teases Holmes that he'll miss her which he agrees. Then came the opening of the second movie and Holmes later learning of her fate...
** Irene also drugs him in the first film, and he doesn't realise realize at first. [[spoiler: She dies by drinking poisoned tea]].



** The movie also lacks Holmes's deerstalker hat, calabash pipe and the "Elementary, my dear Watson!" catchphrase, all of which are extremely common in adaptations of ''Literature/SherlockHolmes''. As its name implies, the deerstalker was made for hunters, not for everyday city wear. It's only mentioned twice in the stories[[note]]not actually called a "deerstalker", but it's the only hat that fits the description, and thusly illustrated[[/note]], worn by Holmes appropriately in the countryside, while most contemporary illustrations show Holmes using a straight billard pipe - the calabash came from an early stage adaptation whose lead chose the pipe so his mouth would not be obstructed. Despite this both become part of his IconicOutfit wherever he goes. As for "Elementary, my dear Watson!", Holmes [[BeamMeUpScotty never said the exact phrase]] in the stories.

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** The movie also lacks Holmes's deerstalker hat, calabash pipe pipe, and the "Elementary, my dear Watson!" catchphrase, all of which are extremely common in adaptations of ''Literature/SherlockHolmes''. As its name implies, the deerstalker was made for hunters, not for everyday city wear. It's only mentioned twice in the stories[[note]]not actually called a "deerstalker", but it's the only hat that fits the description, and thusly illustrated[[/note]], worn by Holmes appropriately in the countryside, while most contemporary illustrations show Holmes using a straight billard pipe - the calabash came from an early stage adaptation whose lead chose the pipe so his mouth would not be obstructed. Despite this this, both become part of his IconicOutfit wherever he goes. As for "Elementary, my dear Watson!", Holmes [[BeamMeUpScotty never said the exact phrase]] in the stories.



* TaintedByThePreview: There was much wailing and rending of garments on the news that Creator/RobertDowneyJr. and Jude Law had been cast as the leads in, and Guy Ritchie was to direct, a ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' movie. Holmesians all around the world were wary, mainly because Downey Jr didn't look like Holmes as he was described and illustrated in the books at all, but some maintained a let's wait and see attitude. Furthermore, Guy Ritchie's previous films, style and recent lack of notable success inspired worry. Then the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI trailer]] came out, that made Holmes seem more like if ''Series/{{House}}'' and ''Film/IronMan'' had a baby in Victorian times than the real Sherlock Holmes and everyone ''but'' the fans were happy. Some gave up and feared the worst and some preferred to [[NeverTrustATrailer Wait and See]]. [[BrokenBase Heated Arguments arose]] and every new clip and trailer served to make the matters worse, but some minds were changed. Then the movie came out, and while opinions on how good of a story it was differ, most agree that Downey and Law did a great job as Holmes and Watson while others put them amongst the most beloved like Brett and David Burke/Edward Hardwicke. One thing to note though is that very few and maybe no Holmesians claimed that it was ruined since the 123 year old Fandom has seen worse, a lot worse, this decade alone (see: ''Case of Evil'').

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* TaintedByThePreview: There was much wailing and rending of garments on the news that Creator/RobertDowneyJr. and Jude Law had been cast as the leads in, and Guy Ritchie was to direct, direct a ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' movie. Holmesians all around the world were wary, mainly because Downey Jr didn't look like Holmes as he was described and illustrated in the books at all, but some maintained a let's wait and see attitude. Furthermore, Guy Ritchie's previous films, style and recent lack of notable success inspired worry. Then the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI trailer]] came out, that made Holmes seem more like if ''Series/{{House}}'' and ''Film/IronMan'' had a baby in Victorian times than the real Sherlock Holmes and everyone ''but'' the fans were happy. Some gave up and feared the worst and some preferred to [[NeverTrustATrailer Wait and See]]. [[BrokenBase Heated Arguments arose]] and every new clip and trailer served to make the matters worse, but some minds were changed. Then the movie came out, and while opinions on how good of a story it was differ, most agree that Downey and Law did a great job as Holmes and Watson while others put them amongst the most beloved like Brett and David Burke/Edward Hardwicke. One thing to note though is that very few and maybe no Holmesians claimed that it was ruined since the 123 year old 123-year-old Fandom has seen worse, a lot worse, this decade alone (see: ''Case of Evil'').
26th Nov '16 4:56:27 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Nearly every interpretation of Sherlock Holmes is different from the last. The base character seems to be as a cool, brilliant, straight-laced and classy hero-for-hire (sort of like the Basil Rathbone version), but later adaptations have branched into two (equally accurate but not mutually exclusive) interpretations: the BunnyEarsLawyer Sherlock Holmes, who is a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} while being disturbingly competent (see [[Film/SherlockHolmes the Guy Ritchie/Robert Downey Jr. version]] or Disney's animated ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'') or an anti-social {{Jerkass}} who is highly manipulative and insensitive, often out of lack of understanding rather than malice (see ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' and ''Series/{{Elementary}}''). Naturally, expect a great deal of overlap within these two fields, but most interpretations will lean towards one or the other.

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** Nearly every interpretation of Sherlock Holmes is different from the last. The base character seems to be as a cool, brilliant, straight-laced and classy hero-for-hire (sort of like the Basil Rathbone Creator/BasilRathbone version), but later adaptations have branched into two (equally accurate but not mutually exclusive) interpretations: the BunnyEarsLawyer Sherlock Holmes, who is a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} while being disturbingly competent (see [[Film/SherlockHolmes the Guy Ritchie/Robert Downey Jr. version]] or Disney's animated ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'') or an anti-social {{Jerkass}} who is highly manipulative and insensitive, often out of lack of understanding rather than malice (see ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' and ''Series/{{Elementary}}''). Naturally, expect a great deal of overlap within these two fields, but most interpretations will lean towards one or the other.
23rd Nov '16 10:03:59 AM SwampAdder
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** Even outside of shipping circles, some interpret Holmes disinterest in women coupled with his intense relationship with Watson as him being a closeted homosexual, or at least an asexual homoromantic. See HoYay for the evidence supporting this.

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** Even outside of shipping circles, some interpret Holmes Holmes' stated disinterest in women coupled with his intense relationship with Watson as him being a closeted homosexual, women: is he gay, asexual, or at least an asexual homoromantic. See HoYay for the evidence supporting this.simply straight but very repressed?
10th Nov '16 11:55:25 AM Berrenta
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* TaintedByThePreview: There was much wailing and rending of garments on the news that Creator/RobertDowneyJr. and Jude Law had been cast as the leads in, and Guy Ritchie was to direct, a ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' movie. Holmesians all around the world were wary, mainly because Downey Jr didn't look like Holmes as he was described and illustrated in the books at all, but some maintained a let's wait and see attitude. Furthermore, Guy Ritchie's previous films, style and recent lack of notable success inspired worry. Then the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI trailer]] came out, that made Holmes seem more like if ''Series/{{House}}'' and ''Film/IronMan'' had a baby in Victorian times than the real Sherlock Holmes and everyone ''but'' the fans were happy. Some gave up [[InkStainAdaptation and feared the worst]] and some preferred to [[NeverTrustATrailer Wait and See]]. [[BrokenBase Heated Arguments arose]] and every new clip and trailer served to make the matters worse, but some minds were changed. Then the movie came out, and while opinions on how good of a story it was differ, most agree that Downey and Law did a great job as Holmes and Watson while others put them amongst the most beloved like Brett and David Burke/Edward Hardwicke. One thing to note though is that very few and maybe no Holmesians claimed that it was ruined since the 123 year old Fandom has seen worse, a lot worse, this decade alone (see: ''Case of Evil'').

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* TaintedByThePreview: There was much wailing and rending of garments on the news that Creator/RobertDowneyJr. and Jude Law had been cast as the leads in, and Guy Ritchie was to direct, a ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' movie. Holmesians all around the world were wary, mainly because Downey Jr didn't look like Holmes as he was described and illustrated in the books at all, but some maintained a let's wait and see attitude. Furthermore, Guy Ritchie's previous films, style and recent lack of notable success inspired worry. Then the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI trailer]] came out, that made Holmes seem more like if ''Series/{{House}}'' and ''Film/IronMan'' had a baby in Victorian times than the real Sherlock Holmes and everyone ''but'' the fans were happy. Some gave up [[InkStainAdaptation and feared the worst]] worst and some preferred to [[NeverTrustATrailer Wait and See]]. [[BrokenBase Heated Arguments arose]] and every new clip and trailer served to make the matters worse, but some minds were changed. Then the movie came out, and while opinions on how good of a story it was differ, most agree that Downey and Law did a great job as Holmes and Watson while others put them amongst the most beloved like Brett and David Burke/Edward Hardwicke. One thing to note though is that very few and maybe no Holmesians claimed that it was ruined since the 123 year old Fandom has seen worse, a lot worse, this decade alone (see: ''Case of Evil'').
29th Oct '16 6:46:00 PM bfoot
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** Even outside of shipping circles, some interpret Holmes disinterest in women coupled with his intense relationship with Watson as him being a closeted homosexual. See HoYay for the evidence supporting this.

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** Even outside of shipping circles, some interpret Holmes disinterest in women coupled with his intense relationship with Watson as him being a closeted homosexual.homosexual, or at least an asexual homoromantic. See HoYay for the evidence supporting this.
20th Sep '16 9:17:56 AM GreenLady
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** Watson's first wife, Mary, often gets given a bigger and more assertive role than in the original canon; like Irene Adler, she's popular with modern writers looking to add more prominent female roles and/or expand her role as Watson's love interest. Tied in to this, newer adaptations often spare her the BusCrash fate from the books and have her be more actively involved in Holmes's investigations.
25th Aug '16 7:03:19 PM WildeOscar
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** [[Film/RockyHorrorPictureShow The Criminologist]] as Mycroft Holmes.
21st Aug '16 8:12:23 PM WildeOscar
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** [[Series/{Blackadder} Lord Percy/Captain Darling]] as Vincent Spaulding.

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** [[Series/{Blackadder} [[Series/{{Blackadder}} Lord Percy/Captain Darling]] as Vincent Spaulding.
21st Aug '16 8:05:27 PM WildeOscar
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** [[Series/"Blackadder" Lord Percy/Captain Darling]] as Vincent Spaulding.

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** [[Series/"Blackadder" [[Series/{Blackadder} Lord Percy/Captain Darling]] as Vincent Spaulding.
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