History YMMV / SawII

''[[YMMV/SawI Saw]]'' | '''''Saw II''''' | ''[[YMMV/SawIII Saw III]]'' | ''[[YMMV/SawIV Saw IV]]'' | ''[[YMMV/SawV Saw V]]'' | ''[[YMMV/SawVI Saw VI]]'' | ''[[YMMV/Saw3D Saw 3D]]'' | ''[[YMMV/{{Jigsaw}} Jigsaw]]'' | ''[[YMMV/Spiral2021 Spiral]]''-]]]]]

* [[YMMV/{{Saw}} Main franchise]]
* ''[[YMMV/SawI Saw]]''
* ''YMMV/SawIII''
* ''YMMV/SawIV''
* ''YMMV/SawV''
* ''YMMV/SawVI''
* ''YMMV/Saw3D''
* ''YMMV/{{Jigsaw}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Spiral|2021}}''

* JerkassWoobie: If you know Addison's backstory, you can understand why she's not the nicest person; she was a prostitute busted for having sex with Detective Matthews (which resulted in his demotion), and he incarcerated her out of spite. [[spoiler: Her implied death is also quite horrific]].

* TheWoobie: Laura, who the deleted scenes reveal was merely a shoplifter, is terrified and seems like a genuine NiceGirl. At one point she talks about all the things she'd hoped to do later in life, and says "this can't be it". [[spoiler: Then she dies because of the nerve agent]].

* CatharsisFactor: Normally a RabidCop brutally beating a sickly old man half to death would be appalling. But said old man is ''John Kramer'', a depraved, insufferably self-righteous sadistic murderer who is responsible for many, ''many'' horrible, agonizing deaths. Knowing what he goes on to do later, some could say Eric should've split the bastard's skull right then and there.

* HarsherInHindsight: The needle pit scene becomes this once the twist is revealed. [[spoiler: Given Amanda being even more evil than Jigsaw, Xavier's KickTheDog moment retroactively is KickTheSonOfABitch and giving Amanda a good dose of karma before she commits even more atrocities]].

* SpoiledByTheFormat: Jigsaw gets identified and arrested by the police fairly early on in only the second movie. At that point, it becomes less a question of "if' he'll turn it around on them and more "how" he'll do so.

* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Mudvayne's "Forget to Remember" in the end credits is so awesome, it has its own SAW-style music video.

** During the Venus Flytrap scene, it's been pointed out that one of the jump-cuts uses the same stock sound that ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys2'' uses for its jumpscare. This would be hilarious enough on its own, if the trap in question also didn't have the victim die by having his head crushed with a helmet filled with spikes similar to how the franchise's villain would later die in [[VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys3 the third game]].

* [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic]]: Mudvayne's "Forget to Remember" in the end credits is so awesome, it has its own SAW-like music video.

* AwesomeMusic: Mudvayne's "Forget to Remember" in the end credits is so awesome, it has its own SAW-like music video.

* HilariousInHindsight: Oh yes, there will be blood... when [[Film/ThereWillBeBlood I drink your milkshake]]!

* ShockingSwerve: As argued by [[http://1000misspenthours.com/reviews/reviewsn-z/sawii.htm 1000 Misspent Hours]]:
-->Remember, the last thing we heard from Amanda after she told her story in ''Saw'' was a meek admission that “He helped me.” It’s a troublingly ambiguous moment, and one of the best in the entire film. Now it is revealed that Kramer continued to keep tabs on Amanda after her escape, and that he visited her again when she attempted suicide by slitting her wrists. At first, we’re encouraged to believe that this backsliding into whatever cloud of existential gloom led her to take up heroin while she was incarcerated is the reason why she’s locked in the house along with the others; Kramer’s stern lesson in gratitude evidently didn’t take, so he’s sending her back to school for some remedial studies. That accords perfectly with what we know of Kramer’s character, so we never think to question the interpretation until [[spoiler:the moment Amanda springs Kramer’s final trap on Matthews. What really happened, though, was that Kramer rescued Amanda from herself the second time in a manner that most of us would be much more comfortable describing as rescue. Recognizing how little time was left to him, and more convinced than ever of his project’s importance to the human race, he got Amanda patched up, and then took her under his wing as an apprentice so that the work might continue even if he himself did not.]] There are several problems with this scenario. First of all, we already know from the last movie what a low opinion Kramer holds of suicides, and how unforgiving he is in general of human weakness. Consequently, [[spoiler: this outpouring of paternal solicitude for Amanda is absolutely the last thing we might plausibly expect from him.]] Meanwhile, it’s no more credible that [[spoiler: Amanda would embrace the man who once forced her to choose between dying and becoming a killer, no matter how conflicted her feelings about the ordeal might have become in its aftermath. The official position of both the characters and the screenwriters may be that Kramer gave Amanda a new appreciation for life, but the very fact that she wound up slashing her wrists scant weeks later demonstrates that he did no such thing.]] There are way too many unanswered questions here for this turn of events to work as a surprise ending, but that’s exactly how Whannell and Bousman spring it on us. If your “shocking twist” is shocking primarily because it doesn’t make any fucking sense, then you’re doing it wrong.

-->Remember, the last thing we heard from Amanda after she told her story in Saw was a meek admission that “He helped me.” It’s a troublingly ambiguous moment, and one of the best in the entire film. Now it is revealed that Kramer continued to keep tabs on Amanda after her escape, and that he visited her again when she attempted suicide by slitting her wrists. At first, we’re encouraged to believe that this backsliding into whatever cloud of existential gloom led her to take up heroin while she was incarcerated is the reason why she’s locked in the house along with the others; Kramer’s stern lesson in gratitude evidently didn’t take, so he’s sending her back to school for some remedial studies. That accords perfectly with what we know of Kramer’s character, so we never think to question the interpretation until [[spoiler:the moment Amanda springs Kramer’s final trap on Matthews. What really happened, though, was that Kramer rescued Amanda from herself the second time in a manner that most of us would be much more comfortable describing as rescue. Recognizing how little time was left to him, and more convinced than ever of his project’s importance to the human race, he got Amanda patched up, and then took her under his wing as an apprentice so that the work might continue even if he himself did not.]] There are several problems with this scenario. First of all, we already know from the last movie what a low opinion Kramer holds of suicides, and how unforgiving he is in general of human weakness. Consequently, [[spoiler: this outpouring of paternal solicitude for Amanda is absolutely the last thing we might plausibly expect from him.]] Meanwhile, it’s no more credible that [[spoiler: Amanda would embrace the man who once forced her to choose between dying and becoming a killer, no matter how conflicted her feelings about the ordeal might have become in its aftermath. The official position of both the characters and the screenwriters may be that Kramer gave Amanda a new appreciation for life, but the very fact that she wound up slashing her wrists scant weeks later demonstrates that he did no such thing.]] There are way too many unanswered questions here for this turn of events to work as a surprise ending, but that’s exactly how Whannell and Bousman spring it on us. If your “shocking twist” is shocking primarily because it doesn’t make any fucking sense, then you’re doing it wrong.

* ShockingSwerve: The final reveal [[http://1000misspenthours.com/reviews/reviewsn-z/sawii.htm has been criticised as such]], not least because [[spoiler:the still recently suicidal Amanda is the last person that Kramer plausibly would take on as an accomplice]].
** [[spoiler:Though Amanda does note that Jigsaw's the one who made her start cutting so she could experience what it's like to be close to death. ...[[VoodooShark Which makes even less sense.]]]]

* SignatureScene: The Needle Pit trap, perhaps the most memorable trap of the series in contest with the [[Film/SawI Reverse Bear Trap]] and the [[Film/SawVI Carousel]].

* MoralEventHorizon: Xavier throwing Amanda into the pit of needles and forcing her to solve his test for him. If that doesn't count, then [[spoiler:killing Jonas then leaving Addison to a CruelAndUnusualDeath]] qualifies.

* MoralEventHorizon: Xavier throwing Amanda into the pit of needles and forcing her to solve his test for him.

* MoralEventHorizon: Chavez throwing Amanda into the pit of needles and forcing her to solve his test for him.