History YMMV / RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms

17th Apr '17 8:29:58 PM BossKey
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* MemeticBadass: Guan Yu's portrayal in this novel pretty much single-handedly elevated him to WarGod status.
** Zhuge Liang is the Chinese gold standard for {{Magnificent Bastard}}ry by being able to outwit basically ''anyone''.
8th Apr '17 9:07:38 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Zhang Fei certainly counts. He didn't put much thought into his actions, and just did whatever he wanted to regardless on the consequences. Case in point when he's supposed to be guarding the castle while his Oath Brothers are away. He's supposed to not take a ''single sip'' of wine, and also not beat his own men, and he even writes these very rules on the wall so that he won't forget. And what does he do? He drinks a ''ton'' of wine, and ''beats'' '''''Lu Bu's cousin.''''' What happens next is probably what you would expect: Lu Bu unleashes holy hell on Liu Bei's castle, and the only thing Zhang Fei can do is [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere run away.]] He even tries to [[DrivenToSuicide kill himself after this]], though Liu Bei & Guan Yu stop him. So at least he's ''very'' sorry, but that still doesn't excuse what he did. Thankfully, he [[TookALevelInBadass became more competent later.]]

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** Zhang Fei certainly counts. He didn't put much thought into his actions, and just did whatever he wanted to regardless on of the consequences. Case in point when he's supposed to be guarding the castle while his Oath Brothers are away. He's supposed to not take a ''single sip'' of wine, and also not beat his own men, and he even writes these very rules on the wall so that he won't forget. And what does he do? He drinks a ''ton'' of wine, and ''beats'' '''''Lu Bu's cousin.''''' What happens next is probably what you would expect: Lu Bu unleashes holy hell on Liu Bei's castle, and the only thing Zhang Fei can do is [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere run away.]] He even tries to [[DrivenToSuicide kill himself after this]], though Liu Bei & Guan Yu stop him. So at least he's ''very'' sorry, but that still doesn't excuse what he did. Thankfully, he [[TookALevelInBadass became more competent later.]]
8th Apr '17 9:02:35 PM SneaselSawashiro
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* NightmareFuel: In the books, the nightmarish reign of Sun Hao. Like Caligula himself, Sun Hao was initially an impressive young ruler...but then the disgusting hedonism, torture and completely disproportionate retribution begins. Anyone who disapproved of his bizarre, prophecy-based politics would be executed, most likely in a horrendous way, including being boiled alive. When his brother was kidnapped to be used as a figure head for a rebellion, Sun Hao's forces defeated the rebellion...and then executed his brother, his mother and most of that side of the family ''just to make sure.'' At one point, one of his ministers sickened...and Sun Hao thought he was joking. So he had the guy whipped, sawed and burned alive. Said minister died under the torture. His whole clan was exiled. ''What a monster.'' Sun Hao can be considered the second coming of Dong Zhuo in the late Three Kingdoms ''without any of Dong Zhuo's [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas small positive traits]]''

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* NightmareFuel: In the books, the nightmarish reign of Sun Hao. Like Caligula himself, Sun Hao was initially an impressive young ruler...but then the disgusting hedonism, torture and completely disproportionate retribution begins. Anyone who disapproved of his bizarre, prophecy-based politics would be executed, most likely in a horrendous way, including being boiled alive. When his brother was kidnapped to be used as a figure head for a rebellion, Sun Hao's forces defeated the rebellion...and then executed his brother, his mother and most of that side of the family ''just to make sure.'' At one point, one of his ministers sickened...and Sun Hao thought he was joking. So he had the guy whipped, sawed and burned alive. Said minister died under the torture. His whole clan was exiled. ''What a monster.'' Sun Hao can be considered the second coming of Dong Zhuo in the late Three Kingdoms ''without any of Dong Zhuo's [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas small positive traits]]''traits]]''.
** Even worse; the historical Sun Hao was JUST AS BAD.
11th Feb '17 9:22:27 PM WaxingName
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** Quite a few people would be surprised to know the long running series of games, ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', is actually based off a book.

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** Quite a few people people, especially those outside of Asia, would be surprised to know the long running series of games, ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', is actually based off a book.
26th Dec '16 9:56:27 PM TheLaughingFist
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** Quite a few people would be surprised to know the long running series of games, ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', is actually based off a book.
19th Oct '16 9:37:31 PM M3
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* BrokenBase: There's a camp who enjoys the story for what it is... and then there's another camp who's absolutely furious that Shu receives way too much HistoricalHeroUpgrade while in history they're not that virtuous or great, and other kingdoms who are more capable had their capabilities downplayed and thus often felt compelled to make statements about how the history is always the "more right version."

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* BrokenBase: There's a camp who enjoys the story for what it is... and then there's another camp who's absolutely furious that Shu receives way too much HistoricalHeroUpgrade while in history they're not that virtuous or great, and other kingdoms who are more capable had their capabilities downplayed and thus often felt compelled to make statements about how the history is always the "more right version."" Of course, those in the latter camp may have missed the point about this being a "novel" rather than authentic history.


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** One doesn't even need to know that it's not the 21st century. The Three Kingdoms Era was actually one of the bloodiest civil wars in Chinese history (and one for world history as that matter). Cannibalism (referenced during Liu Bei being served dinner) was rampant during the time when lands and farming were very difficult to maintain from constant bandit threat or army invasion/maintenance.
15th Sep '16 6:57:47 PM sayaleviathan
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* NeverLiveItDown: Despite a lack of historical evidence supporting this, readers would always remember that Liu Bei dropped his infant kid on the ground after the Battle of Changban.
2nd Aug '16 7:01:27 PM ringhloth
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** On the other hand, Xiahou Dun was not a particularly skilled general, and his record essentially goes from getting tricked to getting ambushed to getting tricked. Later in life, he was usually put away from the front and probably kept his job because of his relationship with Cao Cao.
10th Jul '16 5:30:57 AM ChrisX
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* NightmareFuel: In the books, the nightmarish reign of Sun Hao. Like Caligula himself, Sun Hao was initially an impressive young ruler...but then the disgusting hedonism, torture and completely disproportionate retribution begins. Anyone who disapproved of his bizarre, prophecy-based politics would be executed, most likely in a horrendous way, including being boiled alive. When his brother was kidnapped to be used as a figure head for a rebellion, Sun Hao's forces defeated the rebellion...and then executed his brother, his mother and most of that side of the family ''just to make sure.'' At one point, one of his ministers sickened...and Sun Hao thought he was joking. So he had the guy whipped, sawed and burned alive. Said minister died under the torture. His whole clan was exiled. ''What a monster.''

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* NightmareFuel: In the books, the nightmarish reign of Sun Hao. Like Caligula himself, Sun Hao was initially an impressive young ruler...but then the disgusting hedonism, torture and completely disproportionate retribution begins. Anyone who disapproved of his bizarre, prophecy-based politics would be executed, most likely in a horrendous way, including being boiled alive. When his brother was kidnapped to be used as a figure head for a rebellion, Sun Hao's forces defeated the rebellion...and then executed his brother, his mother and most of that side of the family ''just to make sure.'' At one point, one of his ministers sickened...and Sun Hao thought he was joking. So he had the guy whipped, sawed and burned alive. Said minister died under the torture. His whole clan was exiled. ''What a monster.'''' Sun Hao can be considered the second coming of Dong Zhuo in the late Three Kingdoms ''without any of Dong Zhuo's [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas small positive traits]]''
8th Jul '16 2:05:19 AM ChrisX
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Not as bad as ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', but it is seen on some fan forums every once and a while.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Not as bad as ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', Based on [[UsefulNotes/ThreeKingdomsShuWeiWu a historical period]], but it is seen on some fan forums every once more likely that people know the novel MORE than the history, even amongst Chinese. Because of this, learning how much history was actually harsher and a while.the purported heroes weren't as virtuous [[BrokenPedestal can be kind of hard to swallow.]]
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