History YMMV / RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms

16th May '16 11:17:37 PM SneaselSawashiro
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*** Historically, Liu Shan was never actually mentally retarded in the first place, nor was he dropped on the head by Liu Bei.



** Practically EVERY character can suffer this if you dare look at forums regarding their historical counterparts compared to their novel counterparts; some people received the bad ends of the scrutiny, while some are flat-out built from supposed folklore (or as some haters deem it to be, lies). In the original creator's eyes, it can be his own form of this trope as whole as well, due to how he expands the roles of certain characters and/or outright twists it apart from their actual recorded history.
*** The whole Shu Kingdom is not free from this, as explained with both Zhuge Liang and Liu Shan; the former has a ton of myths surrounding him, with historians such as Chen Shou outright bashing him for incompetence on certain fields if his word was to be truly believed. Liu Bei was big case as well in terms of being just and virtuous or putting up a front that was as treacherous as his historical self, as this division stuck with him even with his ''Dynasty Warriors''-portrayal.



* CrowningMomentOfFunny: XI's tutorial. Specifically, its depiction of Liu Bei, and the fact that the characters breaks the fourth wall at times.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: XI's ''XI''[='=]s tutorial. Specifically, its depiction of Liu Bei, and the fact that the characters breaks the fourth wall at times.


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** It also does NOT help in that historically, Liu Bei was pretty treacherous during his time.
16th May '16 11:10:01 PM SneaselSawashiro
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* MemeticMutation: As mentioned in its article, {{Kaizo Trap}}s are called "Koumei's Trap" after Zhuge Liang. The ultimate origin of this name, though, is from ''this adaptation''. Specifically, when Sima Yi heard about Zhuge's dealth:
-->'''Sima Yi''': Wait, be calm; this may just be another of ''Koumei's traps'''.

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* MemeticMutation: As mentioned in its article, {{Kaizo Trap}}s are called "Koumei's Trap" Traps" (act."Kongming's Traps") after Zhuge Liang.Liang's style name (in the on'yomi reading). The ultimate origin of this name, though, is from ''this adaptation''. Specifically, when Sima Yi heard about Zhuge's dealth:
-->'''Sima Yi''': Wait, be calm; this may just be another of ''Koumei's ''Kongming's traps'''.
16th May '16 11:07:06 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Some fans tend to look at Zhuge Liang in a less heroic light, seeing his nigh omniscient strategies and ''heavily'' pressuring Liu Bei into both taking over Shu and later declaring himself emperor as an attempt to rule China from the sidelines while someone else takes the glory/scorn in the process. Though a more specific case can be made for his treatment of Wei Yan. Whether or not he originally intended to rebel after Zhuge Liang's death or was driven to do so by Liang's plotting is left somewhat ambiguous.

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** Some fans tend to look at Zhuge Liang in a less heroic light, seeing his nigh omniscient strategies and ''heavily'' pressuring Liu Bei into both taking over Shu and later declaring himself emperor as an attempt to rule China from the sidelines while someone else takes the glory/scorn in the process. Though a more specific case can be made for his treatment of Wei Yan. Whether or not he originally intended to rebel after Zhuge Liang's death or was driven to do so by Liang's plotting is left somewhat ambiguous. The badmouthing form of scrutiny he's received from the historian Chen Shou does not help his case.
4th May '16 7:30:31 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A considerable body of readers considers Liu Shan to be ObfuscatingStupidity while being a ManipulativeBastard. Especially considering he had one of the longest reigns (41 years, in which 30 was after Zhuge Liang's death) in Chinese history in the weakest state in one of the most turbulent era, without being a tyrant, embroiled in a SuccessionCrisis (like Wu) or controlled by a RegentForLife (like Wei).
** His most IdiotBall moment (claiming "I am too happy [in Luoyang] to think of Shu" after his surrender) was especially interpreted this way, as claiming to have any remorse towards Shu would most likely cost his head. As a matter of fact, he is also one of the few surrendered monarchs who died of a natural cause.

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A considerable body of readers considers Liu Shan to be ObfuscatingStupidity while being a ManipulativeBastard. Especially considering he had one of the longest reigns (41 years, in which 30 was after Zhuge Liang's death) in Chinese history in the weakest state in one of the most turbulent era, without being a tyrant, embroiled in a SuccessionCrisis (like Wu) or controlled by a RegentForLife (like Wei).
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Wei). His most IdiotBall moment (claiming "I am too happy [in Luoyang] to think of Shu" after his surrender) was especially interpreted this way, as claiming to have any remorse towards Shu would most likely cost his head. As a matter of fact, he is also one of the few surrendered monarchs who died of a natural cause.



* BrokenBase: There's a camp who enjoys the story for what it is... and then there's another camp who's absolutely furious that Shu receives way too much HistoricalHeroUpgrade while in history they're not that virtuous or great, and other kingdoms who are more capable had their capabilities downplayed and thus often felt compelled to make statements about how the history is always the 'more right version.'
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: XI's tutorial. Specifically, its depiction of [[TooDumbToLive Liu Bei]], and the fact that the characters breaks the fourth wall at times.
* DesignatedHero: Liu Bei. To elaborate, he repeatedly abandons his wife and children, doesn't punish a hunter for [[ImAHumanitarian murdering his wife to feed him]], and also throws his own baby to the ground. And the book doesn't call him out for them because of ValuesDissonance and his effort to restore the "legitimate" dynasty.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Ma Dai plays a small role in most of the book, but has the tendency to end up in pretty much every "Characters I want to see in the next ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' game" list. And voila, he did, for the seventh installment.

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* BrokenBase: There's a camp who enjoys the story for what it is... and then there's another camp who's absolutely furious that Shu receives way too much HistoricalHeroUpgrade while in history they're not that virtuous or great, and other kingdoms who are more capable had their capabilities downplayed and thus often felt compelled to make statements about how the history is always the 'more "more right version.'
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: XI's tutorial. Specifically, its depiction of [[TooDumbToLive Liu Bei]], Bei, and the fact that the characters breaks the fourth wall at times.
* DesignatedHero: Liu Bei. To elaborate, Bei is held up as TheHero of the novel; virtuous, benevolent, etc. yet he repeatedly abandons his wife and children, doesn't punish a hunter for [[ImAHumanitarian murdering his wife to feed him]], and also throws his own baby to the ground. And the The book doesn't call him out for them because of ValuesDissonance and his effort to restore the "legitimate" dynasty.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Ma Dai plays a small role in most of the book, but has the tendency to end up in pretty much every "Characters I want to see in the next ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' game" list. And voila, he did, for the seventh installment.



** Simply, Cao Cao. He's the kind of guy who will recite poetry on the Yangtze, murder a nearby lackey who criticizes it, and then bury him with full military honors, ''all in the same scene''. He's unfailingly polite to his guests, even when he's about to have them killed. He's unflappably cool, even after a defeat they'll be making [[RedCliff movies]] about a couple thousand years later. The man is the original magnificent bastard.
** Zhuge Liang, also.

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** Simply, ** Cao Cao. He's Cao's the kind of guy who will recite poetry on the Yangtze, murder a nearby lackey who criticizes it, and then bury him with full military honors, ''all in the same scene''. He's unfailingly polite to his guests, even when he's about to have them killed. He's unflappably cool, even after a defeat they'll be making [[RedCliff movies]] about a couple thousand years later. The man is the original magnificent bastard.
** Zhuge Liang, also.is known as a masterful strategist thousands of years after the time in which he lived. A character holding a fan of crane feathers makes them seem more magnificent, more brilliant etc. by association.



* WhatAnIdiot: He Jin could definitely qualify. After living through pretty much every plot by the eunuchs to make sure no royalty threatens their power, he receives an invitation to the Forbidden City. At the time, he is involved in a rebel plot and the eunuchs have eyes everywhere. In fact, pretty much every rebel warns him not to go. He brushes it off and decides to go anyway. So they insist on escorting him, well armed. Then, the guards tell him he must leave his guards at the door. He agrees, and proudly walks in. He, unsuprisingly, is surrounded by the eunuchs who hack him to pieces and toss his head back to his friends.

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He Jin could definitely qualify. After living through pretty much every plot by the eunuchs to make sure no royalty threatens their power, he receives an invitation to the Forbidden City. At the time, he is involved in a rebel plot and the eunuchs have eyes everywhere. In fact, pretty much every rebel warns him not to go. He brushes it off and decides to go anyway. So they insist on escorting him, well armed. Then, the guards tell him he must leave his guards at the door. He agrees, and proudly walks in. He, unsuprisingly, is surrounded by the eunuchs who hack him to pieces and toss his head back to his friends.
28th Dec '15 2:04:01 AM MagBas
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* MarySuetopia: The Kingdom of Shu with Zhuge Liang as Prime Minister. All the peasantry are happy and well fed, taxes are paid on time and treasuries are full to overflowing, and people strive towards excellence in every facet of government. Hilariously, this was basically how Wei historically was under Cao Cao's rule.
28th Dec '15 2:03:40 AM MagBas
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* MaryTzu: Even though Zhuge Liang was quite a competent administrator in history, the novel escalated his skills to the point where every other strategist in the novel is forced to play second fiddle to his plotting, which approaches near-prescience. His lustre does begin to wear off near the end, though, as age catches up with him and he starts to make more frequent and costlier mistakes that get capitalised on more often by more dangerous foes like Lu Xun and Sima Yi.
1st Sep '15 6:00:14 PM Setrin
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Xiahou Dun was historically known for being very insecure and irritable over the loss of his eye and despised his nickname "The Blind General" to the point where he would smash any mirrors in his presence. This is left out of Three Kingdoms (and almost every other major adaptation as a result) leaving him to have very few outstanding personality traits.
1st Sep '15 5:55:33 PM Setrin
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** Some fans tend to look at Zhuge Liang in a less heroic light, seeing his nigh omniscient strategies and ''heavily'' pressuring Liu Bei into both taking over Shu and later declaring himself emperor as an attempt to rule China from the sidelines while someone else takes the glory/scorn in the process. Though a more specific case can be made for his treatment of Wei Yan. Whether or not he originally intended to rebel after Zhuge Liang's death or was driven to do so by Liang's plotting is left somewhat ambiguous.
7th Jul '15 12:42:22 PM Djangou76
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* BrokenBase: There's a camp who enjoys the story for what it is... and then there's another camp who's absolutely furious that Shu receives way too much HistoricalHeroUpgrade while in history they're not that virtuous or great, and other kingdoms who are more capable had their capabilities downplayed and thus often felt compelled to make statements about how the history is always the 'more right version'

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* BrokenBase: There's a camp who enjoys the story for what it is... and then there's another camp who's absolutely furious that Shu receives way too much HistoricalHeroUpgrade while in history they're not that virtuous or great, and other kingdoms who are more capable had their capabilities downplayed and thus often felt compelled to make statements about how the history is always the 'more right version'version.'



* ValuesDissonance: [[CaptainObvious This is not modern America]]. Events such as the value of one's body, and relationships (valuing of one's sworn brothers over wives and children) will only make sense in the light of historical Chinese culture.

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* ValuesDissonance: [[CaptainObvious This is not modern America]].the 21st century]]. Events such as the value of one's body, and relationships (valuing of one's sworn brothers over wives and children) will only make sense in the light of historical Chinese culture.
7th May '15 4:25:51 PM NickTheSwing
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* NightmareFuel: In the books, the nightmarish reign of Sun Hao. Like Caligula himself, Sun Hao was initially an impressive young ruler...but then the disgusting hedonism, torture and completely disproportionate retribution begins. Anyone who disapproved of his bizarre, prophecy-based politics would be executed, most likely in a horrendous way, including being boiled alive. When his brother was kidnapped to be used as a figure head for a rebellion, Sun Hao's forces defeated the rebellion...and then executed his brother, his mother and most of that side of the family ''just to make sure.'' At one point, one of his ministers sickened...and Sun Hao thought he was joking. So he had the guy whipped, sawed and burned alive. Said minister died under the torture. His whole clan was exiled. ''What a monster.''
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