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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ivan Drago rebels against his Russian handlers and yells that he isn't boxing for Russia, but for ''himself''. Somehow, this makes him a selfish jerk instead of a wordless tool suddenly desiring freedom of choice.


* LawfulEvil: Ivan Drago seems like this for most of the film. After Rocky defeats him, though, he says he wants to box for himself instead of Russia.
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** Then there is Rocky's "You'd never be rid of me" promise to Adrian. Cue Rocky Balboa decade's later.
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* LawfulEvil: Ivan Drago seems like this for most of the film. After Rocky defeats him, though, he says he wants to box for himself instead of Russia.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ivan Drago rebels against his Russian handlers and yells that he isn't boxing for Russia, but for ''himself''. Somehow, this makes him a selfish jerk instead of a wordless tool suddenly desiring freedom of choice. Of course, he earlier killed a certain former champ, so he can't really gain any sympathy.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ivan Drago rebels against his Russian handlers and yells that he isn't boxing for Russia, but for ''himself''. Somehow, this makes him a selfish jerk instead of a wordless tool suddenly desiring freedom of choice. Of course, he earlier killed a certain former champ, so he can't really gain any sympathy.
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* CrazyAwesome: Rocky's training montage out in the Russian wilderness. It starts with him outrunning his Russian security detail and ends with him ''climbing a mountain seemingly with '''no''' gear'', just to ''bellow Drago's name''.
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** Turns out in this movie Rocky had a robot before [[Film/RockyV Tommy Gunn]].

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** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, [[OutOfCharacterMoment is utterly bewildered by this spectacle]], and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene. Even Rocky seems somewhat embarrassed.
*** Which leads to a funny moment when Adrian looks at Rocky at one point like, "How long is this gonna go?" Rocky's return gesture is like, "Beats me, this ain't my idea!"

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** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, [[OutOfCharacterMoment is utterly bewildered by this spectacle]], and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene. Even Rocky seems somewhat embarrassed.
*** Which leads to a funny moment
embarrassed, as when Adrian looks at Rocky at one point like, "How long is this gonna go?" Rocky's return gesture is like, "Beats me, this ain't my idea!"



* HilariousInHindsight: The depiction of the new (at the time) Soviet premiere Mikhail Gorbachev. While Gorbachev wasn't exactly "nice," his public persona made him look like a peaceful wise leader. And this worked extremely well in America and elsewhere in the West (the infamous "Gorbymania"), making his depiction in this movie hilariously stand out.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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The depiction of the new (at the time) Soviet premiere Mikhail Gorbachev. While Gorbachev wasn't exactly "nice," his public persona made him look like a peaceful wise leader. And this worked extremely well in America and elsewhere in the West (the infamous "Gorbymania"), making his depiction in this movie hilariously stand out.



* NightmareFuel: Drago's horrific beatdown of Apollo.
** Which is also a tragic reminder of the risk boxers take whenever they step foot in the ring.

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* NightmareFuel: Drago's horrific beatdown of Apollo.
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Apollo, which is also a tragic reminder of the risk boxers take whenever they step foot in the ring.
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***Which leads to a funny moment when Adrian looks at Rocky at one point like, "How long is this gonna go?" Rocky's return gesture is like, "Beats me, this ain't my idea!"
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** Which is also a tragic reminder of the risk boxers take whenever they step foot in the ring.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Sort of. It's still considered a terrible film, but the way ''Film/{{Creed}}'' was able to use Apollo's death to launch its own story, which is now regarded as the best the series has been since the first film, gives it a more respectable place in the franchise.
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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. The Russian characters are a near-silent, hulking muscleman with [[NoEmpathy little empathy]] towards his opponents, his wife who smiles gleefully when Apollo dies, and their {{Jerkass}} promoter, a Communist functionary who spends the whole film baiting Apollo, Rocky and insulting America. Even Ken Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:

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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. The Russian characters are a near-silent, hulking muscleman with [[NoEmpathy [[LackOfEmpathy little empathy]] towards his opponents, his wife who smiles ''smiles gleefully when Apollo dies, dies'', and their {{Jerkass}} promoter, a Communist functionary who spends the whole film baiting Apollo, Rocky and insulting America. Even Ken Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:
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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. Even Ken Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:

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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. The Russian characters are a near-silent, hulking muscleman with [[NoEmpathy little empathy]] towards his opponents, his wife who smiles gleefully when Apollo dies, and their {{Jerkass}} promoter, a Communist functionary who spends the whole film baiting Apollo, Rocky and insulting America. Even Ken Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:
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** An interpretation of Apollo Creed is that he's fed up with retirement and growing old gracefully, and [[DeathSeeker wants to go out fighting like a warrior]].

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** An interpretation of Apollo Creed is that he's fed up with retirement and growing old gracefully, and [[DeathSeeker wants to go out fighting like a warrior]]. Some dialogue in ''Film/{{Creed}}'' strongly implies this is the case.
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* NightmareFuel: Drago's horrific beatdown of Apollo.
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** An interpretation of Apollo Creed is that he's fed up with retirement and [[spoiler: growing old gracefully, and [[DeathSeeker wants to go out fighting like a warrior]].]]

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** An interpretation of Apollo Creed is that he's fed up with retirement and [[spoiler: growing old gracefully, and [[DeathSeeker wants to go out fighting like a warrior]].]]

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In the Magazine/{{MAD}} spoof of ''Rocky IV'', [[spoiler: after Apollo Creed dies, Adrian mentions being nervous because Mickey died in ''III'', and now Apollo, meaning she's next if there's a ''V''. While she doesn't die in ''V'', she does die between then and ''Balboa''.]]

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In the Magazine/{{MAD}} spoof of ''Rocky IV'', [[spoiler: after Apollo Creed dies, Adrian mentions being nervous because Mickey died in ''III'', and now Apollo, meaning she's next if there's a ''V''. While she doesn't die in ''V'', she does die between then and ''Balboa''.]]



** In the Japanese dub of the film, or at least in the regular dubbed version of it, both Apollo and Drago were voiced by Creator/KenjiUtsumi and Creator/NorioWakamoto respectively. Both actors previously worked before together as Raoh and Shuren respectively in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. The hilarity came with the fact in FOTNS [[spoiler:Raoh kills Shuren when the latter tries to kill Raoh in a suicide attack towards him]]. In ''Rocky IV'', [[spoiler:the roles are inverted this time, and "Shuren" (Drago) returns the favor towards "Raoh" (Apollo)]].

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** In the Japanese dub of the film, or at least in the regular dubbed version of it, both Apollo and Drago were voiced by Creator/KenjiUtsumi and Creator/NorioWakamoto respectively. Both actors previously worked before together as Raoh and Shuren respectively in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. The hilarity came with the fact in FOTNS [[spoiler:Raoh kills Shuren when the latter tries to kill Raoh in a suicide attack towards him]]. In ''Rocky IV'', [[spoiler:the the roles are inverted this time, and "Shuren" (Drago) returns the favor towards "Raoh" (Apollo)]].(Apollo).
* ItWasHisSled: Apollo dies.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The depiction of the new (at the time) Soviet premiere Mikhail Gorbachev. Probably one of the nicest leaders in Russian history! It's hard to call Gorbachev "nice" : he was a pure product of the Soviet Communist Party elite, most of his mentors and people who made him Secretary General were leaders of the KGB and the Soviet Army, he was a Magnificent Bastard who efficiently and ruthlessly eliminated (politically, not physically) many of his opponents in the Politburo and his real primary goal was pure Soviet national interest : preserve the USSR's status as a superpower through intense reforms ([[FelonyMisdemeanor not that any other leader doesn't do the same]]). However, it is true that he quickly tried to appear as a nice and wise leader, looking only for peace and such. And this worked extremely well in America and elsewhere in the West (the infamous "Gorbymania"), making his depiction in this movie hilariously stand out.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The depiction of the new (at the time) Soviet premiere Mikhail Gorbachev. Probably one of the nicest leaders in Russian history! It's hard to call While Gorbachev "nice" : he was a pure product of the Soviet Communist Party elite, most of wasn't exactly "nice," his mentors and people who public persona made him Secretary General were leaders of the KGB and the Soviet Army, he was look like a Magnificent Bastard who efficiently and ruthlessly eliminated (politically, not physically) many of his opponents in the Politburo and his real primary goal was pure Soviet national interest : preserve the USSR's status as a superpower through intense reforms ([[FelonyMisdemeanor not that any other leader doesn't do the same]]). However, it is true that he quickly tried to appear as a nice and peaceful wise leader, looking only for peace and such.leader. And this worked extremely well in America and elsewhere in the West (the infamous "Gorbymania"), making his depiction in this movie hilariously stand out.
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* HarsherInHindsight: As if Apollo's death wasn't bad enough, thirty years later we learn about the effect it had on his unborn son in the spin-off film ''Creed''.

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* HarsherInHindsight: As if Apollo's death wasn't bad enough, thirty years later we learn about the effect it had on his unborn son in the spin-off film ''Creed''.''Film/{{Creed}}''.
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** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, [[OutOfCharacterMoment is utterly bewildered by this spectacle]], and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene.

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** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, [[OutOfCharacterMoment is utterly bewildered by this spectacle]], and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene. Even Rocky seems somewhat embarrassed.
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** It's possible that the VillainHasAPoint moments mentioned on the main page were intentional, and that Stallone was trying to paint the Americans and Soviets as NotSoDifferent in their fanatical patriotism and aggressiveness. Trouble is, if this were true, the Soviets are such cartoonish strawmen that the intended balance doesn't come off well.

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** It's possible that the VillainHasAPoint moments mentioned on the main page were intentional, and that Stallone was trying to paint the Americans and Soviets as NotSoDifferent in their fanatical patriotism and aggressiveness. Trouble is, if this were true, it's undermined by the Soviets are Soviet characters being such [[StrawmanPolitical cartoonish strawmen that the intended balance doesn't come off well.strawmen]].
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** It's possible that the VillainHasAPoint moments mentioned on the main page were intentional, and that Stallone was trying to paint the Americans and Soviets as NotSoDifferent in their fanatical patriotism and aggressiveness. Trouble is, if this were true, the Soviets are such cartoonish strawmen that the intended balance doesn't come off well.
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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. Even Kevin Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:

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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. Even Kevin Ken Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:
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* StrawmanPolitical: One of the most cartoonishly negative depictions of the USSR in American media, which is saying something. Even Kevin Begg of Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, an avowed conservative, [[http://jabootu.net/?p=2136 found the movie's Red baiting over the top]]:
-->''"Reducing a real life, malign totalitarian regime to the level of bad comic book villainy actually undermines a rational explication of Communism’s evil. The problem with the Soviet Union wasn’t that it was breeding a super-race of fighters to come here and snap the necks of our championship boxers."''

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation
** Who ''is'' Ivan Drago, anyway? It's implied that he's been bred to box, has had steroids and blood-doping up the wazoo, and is supposed to support the State 24/7. He's treated like an object by his government and we're never told what he wants. When he says "I must break you", he means it - he ''must'' because he has no options. When he says, "If he dies, he dies", is he talking about Apollo or himself?
** An interpretation of Apollo Creed is that he's fed up with retirement and [[spoiler: growing old gracefully, and [[DeathSeeker wants to go out fighting like a warrior]].]]



** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, is utterly bewildered by this spectacle, and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene.

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** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, [[OutOfCharacterMoment is utterly bewildered by this spectacle, spectacle]], and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene.



* {{Woobie}}: Who ''is'' Ivan Drago, anyway? It's implied that he's been bred to box, has had steroids and blood-doping up the wazoo, and is supposed to support the State 24/7. He's treated like an object by his government and we're never told what he wants. When he says "I must break you", he means it - he ''must'' because he has no options. When he says, "If he dies, he dies", is he talking about Apollo or himself?
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* {{Woobie}}: Who ''is'' Ivan Drago, anyway? It's implied that he's been bred to box, has had steroids and blood-doping up the wazoo, and is supposed to support the State 24/7. He's treated like an object by his government and we're never told what he wants. When he says "I must break you", he means it - he ''must'' because he has no options. When he says, "If he dies, he dies", is he talking about Apollo or himself?
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* HarsherInHindsight: As if Apollo's death wasn't bad enough, thirty years later we learn about the effect it had on his unborn son in the spin-off film ''Creed''.
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** In the Japanese dub of the film, or at least in the regular dubbed version of it, both Apollo and Drago were voiced by Creator/KenjiUtsumi and Creator/NorioWakamoto respectively. Both actors previously worked before together as Raoh and Shuren respectively in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. The hilarity came with the fact in FOTNS [[spoiler:Raoh kills Shuren when the latter tries to kill Raoh in a suicide attack towards him]]. In ''Rocky IV'', [[spoiler:the roles are inverted this time, and "Shuren" (Drago) returns the favor towards "Raoh" (Apollo)]].
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* SoBadItsGood: ''Rocky IV'' is often considered as this (in contrast with ''V'', which is just considered bad), what with the over-the-topness, good ol' ColdWar patriotism, as well as the antagonist's one-dimensional character and Rocky's [[{{Narm}} narmy]] speech at the end.

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* SoBadItsGood: ''Rocky IV'' is often considered as this (in contrast with ''V'', which is just considered bad), what with the over-the-topness, good ol' ColdWar UsefulNotes/ColdWar patriotism, as well as the antagonist's one-dimensional character and Rocky's [[{{Narm}} narmy]] speech at the end.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
** Apollo Creed's entrance in his fight against Drago. It starts with an over the top performance that belongs more to a Broadway musical than a boxing ring, has James Brown singing, and has Apollo dressed up as Uncle Sam and dancing. Drago, who is usually TheStoic, is utterly bewildered by this spectacle, and probably qualifies as the OnlySaneMan for this scene.
** Paulie's robot buddy. Especially Apollo's reaction to it.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In the Magazine/{{MAD}} spoof of ''Rocky IV'', [[spoiler: after Apollo Creed dies, Adrian mentions being nervous because Mickey died in ''III'', and now Apollo, meaning she's next if there's a ''V''. While she doesn't die in ''V'', she does die between then and ''Balboa''.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: The depiction of the new (at the time) Soviet premiere Mikhail Gorbachev. Probably one of the nicest leaders in Russian history! It's hard to call Gorbachev "nice" : he was a pure product of the Soviet Communist Party elite, most of his mentors and people who made him Secretary General were leaders of the KGB and the Soviet Army, he was a Magnificent Bastard who efficiently and ruthlessly eliminated (politically, not physically) many of his opponents in the Politburo and his real primary goal was pure Soviet national interest : preserve the USSR's status as a superpower through intense reforms ([[FelonyMisdemeanor not that any other leader doesn't do the same]]). However, it is true that he quickly tried to appear as a nice and wise leader, looking only for peace and such. And this worked extremely well in America and elsewhere in the West (the infamous "Gorbymania"), making his depiction in this movie hilariously stand out.
* SoBadItsGood: ''Rocky IV'' is often considered as this (in contrast with ''V'', which is just considered bad), what with the over-the-topness, good ol' ColdWar patriotism, as well as the antagonist's one-dimensional character and Rocky's [[{{Narm}} narmy]] speech at the end.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ivan Drago rebels against his Russian handlers and yells that he isn't boxing for Russia, but for ''himself''. Somehow, this makes him a selfish jerk instead of a wordless tool suddenly desiring freedom of choice. Of course, he earlier killed a certain former champ, so he can't really gain any sympathy.
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