History YMMV / RiseOfTheHorde

10th Jun '15 10:23:06 PM MinisterOfSinister
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** Kil'jaeden, as elsewhere. He manipulates [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Ner'zhul]] by imitating his beloved dead wife into unknowingly committing war crimes by [[LetsYouAndHimFight inciting the orcs against the draenei]]. Why? [[ItsPersonal A grudge against Velen]] and [[EvilIsPetty spite]], really. And wants them to become an army to help TheLegionsOfHell invade and conqure every world in the universe, as is the overarching plan of his boss, [[BiggerBad Sargeras]].

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** Kil'jaeden, as elsewhere. He manipulates [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Ner'zhul]] by imitating his beloved dead wife into unknowingly committing war crimes by [[LetsYouAndHimFight inciting the orcs against the draenei]]. Why? [[ItsPersonal A grudge against Velen]] and [[EvilIsPetty spite]], really. And Well, there is another reason, but it's even worse: he wants them to become an army to TheHorde and help TheLegionsOfHell invade and conqure raze every world in the universe, universe as is per the overarching plan of his boss, [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain Sargeras]].



* TheWoobie: The draenei are reduced to this as a species. Their culture is almost destroyed, 80% of their population is wiped out and only literal divine intervention saves them from utter extinction. You really feel for them.
** Ner'zhul. An {{unwitting pawn}} of Kil'jaeden's plans, he never intended to set his people's [[StartOfDarkness downfall]] in motion and was deceived by the face of his [[TheLostLenore deceased mate]], Rulkan. But because the orcs ''[[DoomedByCanon must]]'' drink the blood of Mannoroth and become TheHorde, his earnest attempts to undo his mistakes are halted by Kil'jaeden, and he is betrayed by his own apprentice, Gul'dan, then forced to watch as his people devolve into mindless ragemonsters, unable to do a damn thing about it. Poor guy.
** Durotan. At first he goes along with his people's plans to ensure orcish unity and strength, but his attempts to be the TokenGoodTeammate end very badly for him and his clan. Some people just can't catch a break.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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The draenei are reduced to this as a species. Their culture is almost destroyed, 80% of their population is wiped out and only literal divine intervention saves them from utter extinction. You really feel for them.
Not to mention that the orcs were initially turned against them by [[{{Demonization}} slan]][[{{Frameup}} der]][[RonTheDeathEater ous]], {{blatant lies}} Kil'jaeden spread about them among the orcs to make the subsequent war of genocide seem like the right course of action.
** Ner'zhul. An {{unwitting pawn}} of Kil'jaeden's plans, he never intended to set his people's [[StartOfDarkness downfall]] in motion and was deceived by the face of his [[TheLostLenore deceased mate]], Rulkan. But because mate Rulkan]], but the orcs ''[[DoomedByCanon must]]'' ''have'' to drink the blood of Mannoroth and become TheHorde, [[DoomedByCanon or the events that followed in the games and beyond wouldn't make any sense]]; worse yet, only does he get MisBlamed by the real Rulkan and the other ancestors, but his earnest attempts to undo his mistakes are halted by Kil'jaeden, and Kil'jaeden. And to top it all off, he is betrayed gets [[EtTuBrute betrayed]] by his own apprentice, Gul'dan, [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil Gul']][[DeceptiveDisciple dan]], then forced to watch as his people devolve into mindless ragemonsters, unable to do a damn thing about it. Poor guy.
** Durotan. At first he goes along with his people's plans to ensure orcish unity and strength, but his attempts to be the TokenGoodTeammate end very badly for him and his clan. Some people just can't catch a break.
7th Apr '15 8:00:08 PM MinisterOfSinister
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* CompleteMonster: Gul'dan finds out Kil'jaeden is a genocidal demon lord but still follows him for the pursuit of power, not caring a jot for the fate of his people. When Ner'zhul discovers ([[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to his horror) what he has done, Gul'dan rats him out to Kil'jaeden and puts the kibosh on his attempts to salvage the situation. Afterwards, he becomes the new "spiritual leader" and manipulator of the orcs. He never shows a shred of remorse, just fear that he might not get all the power he wants.
** Kil'jaeden, as elsewhere. He manipulates [[ReasonableAuthority Ner'zhul]] by imitating his beloved dead wife into unknowingly committing war crimes by [[LetsYouAndHimFight inciting the orcs against the draenei]]. Why? [[ItsPersonal A grudge against Velen]] and [[EvilIsPetty spite]], really. And wants them to become an army to help TheLegionsOfHell invade and conqure every world in the universe, as is the overarching plan of his boss, [[BiggerBad Sargeras]].

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* CompleteMonster: Gul'dan finds out Kil'jaeden is a genocidal demon lord but still follows him for the pursuit of power, not caring a jot for the fate of his people. When Ner'zhul discovers ([[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to his horror) horror]]) what he has done, Gul'dan rats him out to Kil'jaeden and puts the kibosh on his attempts to salvage the situation. Afterwards, he becomes the new "spiritual leader" and manipulator of the orcs. He never shows a shred of remorse, just fear that he might not get all the power he wants.
** Kil'jaeden, as elsewhere. He manipulates [[ReasonableAuthority [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Ner'zhul]] by imitating his beloved dead wife into unknowingly committing war crimes by [[LetsYouAndHimFight inciting the orcs against the draenei]]. Why? [[ItsPersonal A grudge against Velen]] and [[EvilIsPetty spite]], really. And wants them to become an army to help TheLegionsOfHell invade and conqure every world in the universe, as is the overarching plan of his boss, [[BiggerBad Sargeras]].
6th Apr '15 7:52:12 AM MinisterOfSinister
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Gul'dan finds out Kil'jaeden is a genocidal demon lord, and still follows him for power, his people be damned (literally). When his master goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone he becomes the new "spiritual leader" and manipulator of the orcs. He never shows a shred of remorse, just fear that he might not get all the power he wants.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Gul'dan Gul'dan finds out Kil'jaeden is a genocidal demon lord, and lord but still follows him for the pursuit of power, not caring a jot for the fate of his people be damned (literally). people. When Ner'zhul discovers ([[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to his master goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone horror) what he has done, Gul'dan rats him out to Kil'jaeden and puts the kibosh on his attempts to salvage the situation. Afterwards, he becomes the new "spiritual leader" and manipulator of the orcs. He never shows a shred of remorse, just fear that he might not get all the power he wants.]]wants.
** Kil'jaeden, as elsewhere. He manipulates [[ReasonableAuthority Ner'zhul]] by imitating his beloved dead wife into unknowingly committing war crimes by [[LetsYouAndHimFight inciting the orcs against the draenei]]. Why? [[ItsPersonal A grudge against Velen]] and [[EvilIsPetty spite]], really. And wants them to become an army to help TheLegionsOfHell invade and conqure every world in the universe, as is the overarching plan of his boss, [[BiggerBad Sargeras]].



* TheWoobie: The draenei are reduced to this as a species. Unwitting pawns of Kil'jaeden's plans like Ner'zhul and Durotan have some shades of this as well.

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* TheWoobie: The draenei are reduced to this as a species. Unwitting pawns Their culture is almost destroyed, 80% of their population is wiped out and only literal divine intervention saves them from utter extinction. You really feel for them.
**Ner'zhul. An {{unwitting pawn}}
of Kil'jaeden's plans, he never intended to set his people's [[StartOfDarkness downfall]] in motion and was deceived by the face of his [[TheLostLenore deceased mate]], Rulkan. But because the orcs ''[[DoomedByCanon must]]'' drink the blood of Mannoroth and become TheHorde, his earnest attempts to undo his mistakes are halted by Kil'jaeden, and he is betrayed by his own apprentice, Gul'dan, then forced to watch as his people devolve into mindless ragemonsters, unable to do a damn thing about it. Poor guy.
** Durotan. At first he goes along with his people's
plans like Ner'zhul to ensure orcish unity and Durotan have some shades of this as well.strength, but his attempts to be the TokenGoodTeammate end very badly for him and his clan. Some people just can't catch a break.
28th Feb '15 8:56:43 AM MinisterOfSinister
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* TheWoobie: The draenei are reduced to this as a species. Unwitting pawns of Kil'jaeden's plans like Ner'zhul and Durotan have some shades of this as well.
11th Jun '13 4:21:01 PM TVRulezAgain
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* MoralEventHorizon: Gul'dan's above action.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Gul'dan's above action.action.
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29th Dec '11 5:15:29 AM Valiona
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* MoralEventHorixon: Gul'dan's above action.

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* MoralEventHorixon: MoralEventHorizon: Gul'dan's above action.
29th Dec '11 5:15:19 AM Valiona
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Gul'dan finds out Kil'jaeden is a genocidal demon lord, and still follows him for power, his people be damned (literally). When his master goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone he becomes the new "spiritual leader" and manipulator of the orcs. He never shows a shred of remorse, just fear that he might not get all the power he wants.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Gul'dan finds out Kil'jaeden is a genocidal demon lord, and still follows him for power, his people be damned (literally). When his master goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone he becomes the new "spiritual leader" and manipulator of the orcs. He never shows a shred of remorse, just fear that he might not get all the power he wants.]]]]
*MoralEventHorixon: Gul'dan's above action.
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