History YMMV / Ramayana

14th Feb '17 11:43:44 AM SpukiKitty
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** Rama is "forced" to banish Sita because of some false rumors spread by some misogynist DomesticAbuser washer-man. Rather than stand up for his wife and find a way to prove that she didn't mess-around with Ravana and thus make everyone.....both the Kingdom and his family....happy, he just wimps out and banishes her, thus giving credence to that washer-man's lie. This is apparently to show that a King should put Kingdom first, even if it means sacrificing his family [[note]]Never mind it was over a vicious LIE....[[SubvertedAesop which would be Adharma]]. Also; That awful sexual/gender DoubleStandard is enforced[[/note]].

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** Rama is "forced" to banish Sita because of some false rumors spread by some misogynist DomesticAbuser washer-man. Rather than stand up for his wife and find a way to prove that she didn't mess-around with Ravana and thus make everyone.....both the Kingdom and his family....happy, he just wimps out and banishes her, thus giving credence to that washer-man's lie. This is apparently to show that a King should put Kingdom first, even if it means sacrificing his family [[note]]Never mind it was over a vicious LIE....[[SubvertedAesop [[BrokenAesop which would be Adharma]]. Also; That awful sexual/gender DoubleStandard is enforced[[/note]].
14th Feb '17 11:42:01 AM SpukiKitty
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** Rama has a man killed because the man was of a Lower Caste and performing austerities and devotions that were meant for Upper Caste people. This is to show that Caste Divisions are super-rigid and meant to be enforced [[note]]Never mind that The Caste System, when interpreted as a system of strict social stratification....rather something more fluid, as it was in the beginning....is a cruel human rights abuse. Also; The man was performing penances and devotions, surely his heart was in the right place. The spirit of the Law should always trump the Letter[[/note]].

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** Rama has a man killed because the man was of a Lower Caste and performing austerities and devotions that were meant for Upper Caste people. This is to show that Caste Divisions are super-rigid and meant to be enforced [[note]]Never mind that The Caste System, when interpreted as a system of strict social stratification....rather than something more fluid, as it was in the beginning....is a cruel human rights abuse. Also; The man was performing penances and devotions, surely his heart was in the right place. The spirit of the Law should always trump the Letter[[/note]].
14th Feb '17 11:40:45 AM SpukiKitty
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** Rama is "forced" to banish Sita because of some false rumors spread by some misogynist DomesticAbuser washer-man. Rather than stand up for his wife and find a way to prove that she didn't mess-around with Ravana and thus make everyone, both the Kingdom and his family happy, he just wimps out and banishes her, thus giving credence to that washer-man's lie. This is apparently to show that a King should put Kingdom first, even if it means sacrificing his family [[note]]Never mind it was over a vicious LIE....[[SubvertedAesop which would be Adharma]]. Also; That awful sexual/gender DoubleStandard is enforced[[/note]].

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** Rama is "forced" to banish Sita because of some false rumors spread by some misogynist DomesticAbuser washer-man. Rather than stand up for his wife and find a way to prove that she didn't mess-around with Ravana and thus make everyone, everyone.....both the Kingdom and his family family....happy, he just wimps out and banishes her, thus giving credence to that washer-man's lie. This is apparently to show that a King should put Kingdom first, even if it means sacrificing his family [[note]]Never mind it was over a vicious LIE....[[SubvertedAesop which would be Adharma]]. Also; That awful sexual/gender DoubleStandard is enforced[[/note]].enforced[[/note]].
*** And all this despite the fact that Sita already proved her faithfulness through the Agni Pariksha before the Kingdom. She survived being in a bonfire! Something like ''that'' would be big news all over! The whole episode makes Rama....the "Perfect Man & King" look like a pushover, complete heel and total idiot. The whole thing reads like a bizarro "What If?" story.



* TheWoobie: Sita. Willingly get exiled for her love of Rama/ Kidnapped by Ravanna. Was forced by the people to go through the Agni Pariksha. In one ending, she was exiled ''again'' by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate in that ending is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.

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* TheWoobie: Sita. Willingly get exiled for her love of Rama/ Kidnapped Rama/Kidnapped by Ravanna. Was forced by the people to go through the Agni Pariksha. In one ending, she was exiled ''again'' by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate in that ending is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.
** If you apply CanonDiscontinuity to the Seventh Kandha and reject it, however, the story ends with Rama and Sita living happily ever after. The stuff in the Seventh Kandha were due to one jerk's LIE. Giving credence to a slanderous lie seems a lot more Adharmic than Dharmic. Dharma is about ''Satya''....which means ''TRUTH''.
14th Feb '17 11:31:29 AM SpukiKitty
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** Rama is considered the "Perfect Man & King" and Sita is considered "The Perfect Woman & Queen" and the Uttarakandha not only subverts a HappyEnding, it unintentionally subverts much of the Aesop. For these reasons; Some reject the Seventh Kandha completely.
14th Feb '17 11:27:35 AM SpukiKitty
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* CanonDiscontinuity: Concerning the Seventh Kandha or ''Uttarakandha''....Where all the awesomeness is undone and Rama banishes Sita, turning the original EarnYourHappyEnding story [[AllForNothing into a]] [[ShaggyDogStory huge]] [[DownerEnding bummer]] in the name of enforcing strict orthodoxy. If you're an ultra-Conservative Hindu who doesn't mind a sad story, the Seventh Kanda is for you.

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Concerning the Seventh Kandha or ''Uttarakandha''....Where all the awesomeness is undone and Rama banishes Sita, turning the original EarnYourHappyEnding story [[AllForNothing into a]] [[ShaggyDogStory huge]] [[DownerEnding bummer]] in the name of enforcing strict orthodoxy. If you're an ultra-Conservative Hindu who doesn't mind a sad story, the Seventh Kanda is for you.
14th Feb '17 11:27:06 AM SpukiKitty
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* CanonDiscontinuity: Concerning the Seventh Kandha or ''Uttarakandha''....Where all the awesomeness is undone and Rama banishes Sita, turning the original EarnYourHappyEnding story [[AllForNothing into a]] [[ShaggyDogStory huge]] [[DownerEnding bummer]] in the name of enforcing strict orthodoxy. If you're an ultra-Conservative Hindu who doesn't mind a sad story, the Seventh Kanda is for you.
** Rama is "forced" to banish Sita because of some false rumors spread by some misogynist DomesticAbuser washer-man. Rather than stand up for his wife and find a way to prove that she didn't mess-around with Ravana and thus make everyone, both the Kingdom and his family happy, he just wimps out and banishes her, thus giving credence to that washer-man's lie. This is apparently to show that a King should put Kingdom first, even if it means sacrificing his family [[note]]Never mind it was over a vicious LIE....[[SubvertedAesop which would be Adharma]]. Also; That awful sexual/gender DoubleStandard is enforced[[/note]].
** Rama has a man killed because the man was of a Lower Caste and performing austerities and devotions that were meant for Upper Caste people. This is to show that Caste Divisions are super-rigid and meant to be enforced [[note]]Never mind that The Caste System, when interpreted as a system of strict social stratification....rather something more fluid, as it was in the beginning....is a cruel human rights abuse. Also; The man was performing penances and devotions, surely his heart was in the right place. The spirit of the Law should always trump the Letter[[/note]].
8th Jul '16 8:44:54 PM shatterstar
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* MisaimedFandom: Sita and Rama are frequently worshipped as a couple, despite the fact that Rama treats her horribly after rescuing her.
* TheWoobie: Sita. Kidnapped by Ravanna. Exiled ''twice'', one by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate in one ending is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.

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* MisaimedFandom: Sita and Rama are frequently worshipped as a couple, despite the fact that Rama treats her horribly after rescuing her.
* TheWoobie: Sita. Willingly get exiled for her love of Rama/ Kidnapped by Ravanna. Exiled ''twice'', Was forced by the people to go through the Agni Pariksha. In one ending, she was exiled ''again'' by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate in one that ending is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.
8th Jul '16 8:43:02 PM shatterstar
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* TheWoobie: Sita. Kidnapped by Ravanna. Exiled ''twice'', one by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.

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* TheWoobie: Sita. Kidnapped by Ravanna. Exiled ''twice'', one by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate in one ending is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.
8th Jul '16 8:31:51 PM shatterstar
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\n* MisaimedFandom: Sita and Rama are frequently worshipped as a couple, despite the fact that Rama treats her horribly after rescuing her.
* TheWoobie: Sita. Kidnapped by Ravanna. Exiled ''twice'', one by the very husband she willingly being exiled for the first time for because he is ashamed that she is kidnapped by Ravanna. Her final fate is raising her twin son scared, humiliated and alone, all because events she cannot control. The poor girl can't catch a break.
8th Jan '16 6:34:12 AM MagBas
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* GodModeSue: Very much a TropesAreNotBad example. Rama is literally a GodInHumanForm, and [[ShowyInvincibleHero isn't ever seriously threatened by his enemies]]. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome No one's complaining]].
** Except Rama's sons. When they hear his tale from Sage Valmiki, albeit with the names changed, they comment that [[FromTheMouthsOfBabes Rama was cruel to Sita]]. Later [[EasilyForgiven they forgive him after they learn he is their father, somehow]].

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* GodModeSue: Very much a TropesAreNotBad example. Rama is literally a GodInHumanForm, and [[ShowyInvincibleHero isn't ever seriously threatened by his enemies]]. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome No one's complaining]].
** Except Rama's sons. When they hear his tale from Sage Valmiki, albeit with the names changed, they comment that [[FromTheMouthsOfBabes Rama was cruel to Sita]]. Later [[EasilyForgiven they forgive him after they learn he is their father, somehow]].

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