History YMMV / QuantumOfSolace

6th Oct '17 12:37:40 AM TheTrailblazerCritic
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Greene's scheme involved ransoming Bolivia's supply of water in a bid to overthrow the government with General Medrano installed as its new leader and Greene's top customer. Many fans found this plot to be just as underwhelming as the two masterminds behind the plan.
25th Sep '17 7:24:38 AM JamesAustin
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* BrokenBase: The theme song by [[Music/TheWhiteStripes Jack White]] and Music/AliciaKeys. Some fans don't mind it at all, while others think it's just trash.
** It doesn't help that they rejected some really, ''really'' good ones. Like [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2dXY9TOKA this.]] Or [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCX4SxhpPwE this,]] by the legendary Shirley Bassey.

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* BrokenBase: The theme song by [[Music/TheWhiteStripes Jack White]] and Music/AliciaKeys. Some fans don't mind it at all, while others think it's just trash.
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trash. It doesn't help that they rejected some really, ''really'' good ones. Like [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2dXY9TOKA this.]] Or [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCX4SxhpPwE this,]] by the legendary Shirley Bassey.



* ContestedSequel: The movie is highly divisive. Either this is an okay Bond movie that's not as good as ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'', or it's an {{egregious}} case of {{Sequelitis}} [[FanDiscontinuity that never happened]]. ''Skyfall'' was put in DevelopmentHell due to studio reshuffling and licensing issues, making ''Quantum'' even more divisive over time and leading to a giant WhatMightHaveBeen: had the third Craig-era Bond film come out faster, would it have retained continuity and cashed in the plot coupons Bond picked up in ''Quantum''? Well, we'll never know, as ''Skyfall'' more or less reset the modern Bond-era continuity ''again'' [[note]]Though ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' also had a one-shot villain, and the SPECTRE organization came back in ''Film/{{Thunderball}}'' so who knows...[[/note]] -- while he was a relatively new agent in ''Casino Royale'' and ''Quantum'', ''Skyfall'' turned Bond into an elder statesmen almost ready for retirement. About the only thing the base can agree on is that ''Casino Royale'' and ''Skyfall'' each sit on one end of the Bond spectrum of seriousness vs. crazy-but-awesome... and then there's ''Quantum'': a terrible Bond movie but solid film, or a solid film ''and'' solid Bond movie, or a complete EpicFail. For what it's worth, many reviewers couldn't make up their minds either.
** Post-''Skyfall'', the conflict regarding ''Quantum of Solace'' now seems to be about whether you prefer common Bond tropes averted and subverted (''Quantum'') or played far more straight (''Skyfall'') (though many of Skyfall's tropes are deconstructed, so keep that in mind). The debate seems to have shifted as to whether or not the next film should tie up the remaining plot threads from ''Quantum'' or stay in the ''Skyfall'' genre.
** There is a small but growing camp that claim Quantum as the best of the Craig era, as it's the only one of the films where Bond seems to enjoy being Bond, and on that front is much more in line with the series roots than the poutiness and brooding that pervade Casino and Skyfall.
** With Mr. White returning in ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', there was some closure/expansion to what ''Quantum'' left... and still a divisive reception.

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* ContestedSequel: The movie is highly divisive. Either this is an okay Bond movie that's not as good as ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'', or it's an {{egregious}} egregious case of {{Sequelitis}} [[FanDiscontinuity that never happened]]. ''Skyfall'' was put in DevelopmentHell due to studio reshuffling and licensing issues, making ''Quantum'' even more divisive over time and leading to a giant WhatMightHaveBeen: had the third Craig-era Bond film come out faster, would it have retained continuity and cashed in the plot coupons Bond picked up in ''Quantum''? Well, we'll never know, as ''Skyfall'' more or less reset the modern Bond-era continuity ''again'' [[note]]Though ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' also had a one-shot villain, and the SPECTRE organization came back in ''Film/{{Thunderball}}'' so who knows...[[/note]] -- while he was a relatively new agent in ''Casino Royale'' and ''Quantum'', ''Skyfall'' turned Bond into an elder statesmen almost ready for retirement. About the only thing the base can agree on is that ''Casino Royale'' and ''Skyfall'' each sit on one end of the Bond spectrum of seriousness vs. crazy-but-awesome... and then there's ''Quantum'': a terrible Bond movie but solid film, or a solid film ''and'' solid Bond movie, or a complete EpicFail. For what it's worth, many reviewers couldn't make up their minds either.
** Post-''Skyfall'', the conflict regarding ''Quantum of Solace'' now seems to be about whether you prefer common Bond tropes averted and subverted (''Quantum'') or played far more straight (''Skyfall'') (though many of Skyfall's tropes are deconstructed, so keep
either. It doesn't help that in mind). The debate seems to have shifted as to whether or not the next film should tie up the remaining plot threads from ''Quantum'' or stay in the ''Skyfall'' genre.
** There is a small but growing camp that claim Quantum as the best of the Craig era, as it's the only one of the films where Bond seems to enjoy being Bond, and on that front is much more in line with the series roots than the poutiness and brooding that pervade Casino and Skyfall.
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Mr. White returning returned in ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', and in said film there was some closure/expansion to what ''Quantum'' left... and still a divisive reception.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Mr. White. In this film and ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'', the character has more [[CrowningMomentofAwesome Crowning Moments of Awesome]] in his limited screen time than the two villains of both films combined. Also, Mathis qualifies with his role as aide and confidante to Craig's Bond in ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006''. Here, he is willing to work with Bond again after being accused of TheMole in the last film.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Mr. White. In this film and ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'', the character has more [[CrowningMomentofAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Crowning Moments of Awesome]] in his limited screen time than the two villains of both films combined. Also, combined.
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Mathis qualifies with his role as aide and confidante to Craig's Bond in ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006''. Here, he is willing to work with Bond again after being accused of TheMole in the last film.



* FridgeBrilliance: Craig was frequently criticized for his cold, emotionless performance, with one reviewer calling him a "Robo Bond." However, at the end of ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'', which this film immediately follows, Bond's reaction to [[spoiler: Vesper's death]] was...to completely shut down emotionally. Bond begins the film in the midst of a HeroicBSOD, and doesn't pull out of it again until the last few minutes of the film.
** On the note of fridge brilliance, plenty of criticism was raised about one a scene taking place during a performance of Puccini's opera ''Theater/{{Tosca}}''. The story of ''Theater/{{Tosca}}''? A beautiful and successful singer is given a choice; betray her political beliefs and [[ScarpiaUltimatum sleep with the evil chief of police]]...or her lover will be executed. It's basically mirrors what happened to Vesper. Also, the major song that plays during that scene is called the ''Te Deum'' where the villain is plotting [[spoiler: to execute Tosca's lover even if she gives in]]. Like our villains, it's in a public place (a Cathedral in the opera whereas Quantum is in an opera house). Now it makes sense.

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
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Craig was frequently criticized for his cold, emotionless performance, with one reviewer calling him a "Robo Bond." However, at the end of ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'', which this film immediately follows, Bond's reaction to [[spoiler: Vesper's death]] was...to completely shut down emotionally. Bond begins the film in the midst of a HeroicBSOD, and doesn't pull out of it again until the last few minutes of the film.
** On the note of fridge brilliance, plenty Plenty of criticism was raised about one a scene taking place during a performance of Puccini's opera ''Theater/{{Tosca}}''. ''Theatre/{{Tosca}}''. The story of ''Theater/{{Tosca}}''? ''Tosca''? A beautiful and successful singer is given a choice; betray her political beliefs and [[ScarpiaUltimatum sleep with the evil chief of police]]...or her lover will be executed. It's basically mirrors what happened to Vesper. Also, the major song that plays during that scene is called the ''Te Deum'' where the villain is plotting [[spoiler: to execute Tosca's lover even if she gives in]]. Like our villains, it's in a public place (a Cathedral in the opera whereas Quantum is in an opera house). Now it makes sense.



* HilariousInHindsight: Much was said about the untrained Greene putting up a close fight against Bond in the climax. Although it's TruthInTelevision that wild attackers can be dangerous to even elite fighters (and Greene was aided by an early surprise attack and the explosions knocking both around), it still got flak. As of Spectre, Greene is the ''only'' Craig-era BigBad to actually fight him, let alone come close to killing him in combat.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common accusation is that the film simply repeats some things that worked so well in the last one -- as well as the tricks of the ''Bourne'' films -- except none of it feels new and fresh, let alone Bond-like. Arguably, the film actually contains a high {{HSQ}} and plenty of great lines, but it's too close to a ''Bourne'' film (or any other gritty action movie) to be a proper Bond film.
* MagnificentBastard: Dominic Greene might be a thoroughly nasty piece of work but he's a [[ManipulativeBastard master manipulator]] and has balls of steel! He even manages to taunt Bond while being dangled over a raging inferno.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Much was said about the untrained and not-at-all intimidating-looking Greene putting up a close fight against Bond in the climax. Although it's TruthInTelevision that wild attackers can be dangerous to even elite fighters (and Greene was aided by an early surprise attack and the explosions knocking both around), it still got flak. As of Spectre, ''Spectre'', Greene is the ''only'' Craig-era BigBad to actually fight him, let alone come close to killing him in combat.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common accusation is that the film simply repeats some things that worked so well in the last one -- as well as the tricks of the ''Bourne'' films -- except none of it feels new and fresh, let alone Bond-like. Arguably, the film actually contains a high {{HSQ}} HolyShitQuotient and plenty of great lines, but it's too close to a ''Bourne'' film (or any other gritty action movie) to be a proper Bond film.
* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Dominic Greene might be a thoroughly nasty piece of work but he's a [[ManipulativeBastard master manipulator]] and has balls of steel! He even manages to taunt Bond while being dangled over a raging inferno.



* {{Narm}} and NarmCharm:
** Dominick Greene when he goes AxeCrazy.

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* {{Narm}} and NarmCharm:
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** Dominick Greene when he goes AxeCrazy.AxCrazy.



** The incredibly mundane scheme by Quantum ([[spoiler: Monopolizing Bolivia's water supply]]) and the fact that their plan is foiled every step of the way despite American support, makes them pretty laughable villains, especially since they're a stand-in for SPECTRE. [[spoiler:Which might by why SPECTRE themselves basically destroyed Quantum by the time of Film/{{Spectre}} occures]].

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** The incredibly mundane scheme by Quantum ([[spoiler: Monopolizing ([[spoiler:Monopolizing Bolivia's water supply]]) and the fact that their plan is foiled every step of the way despite American support, makes them pretty laughable villains, especially since they're a stand-in for SPECTRE. [[spoiler:Which might by why SPECTRE themselves basically destroyed Quantum by the time of Film/{{Spectre}} ''Film/{{Spectre}}'' occures]].



** The MoodWhiplash following ([[spoiler: Mathis's death]]) of Bond throwing his dead body into a dumpster and looting his wallet.

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** The MoodWhiplash following ([[spoiler: Mathis's ([[spoiler:Mathis's death]]) of Bond throwing his dead body into a dumpster and looting his wallet.



* {{Squick}}: When Greene splits his own foot with the axe.
** What we're told about his death may also count, although it somehow doubles as a CrowningMomentofAwesome.

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* {{Squick}}: {{Squick}}:
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When Greene splits his own foot with the axe.
** What we're told about his death may also count, although it somehow doubles as a CrowningMomentofAwesome.SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome.



* ToughActToFollow: This isn't a badly done action movie by any means, and it's definitely superior to a good number of previous Bond films, but it's definitely a step down from ''Casino Royale''--which was one of the most acclaimed action movies of 2006, and is now often cited as one of the best movies in the James Bond franchise. While it got generally favorable reviews from critics (it currently holds a score of 64% on Website/RottenTomatoes), many fans trashed it after comparing it to ''Casino Royale''.

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* ToughActToFollow: ToughActToFollow:
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This isn't a badly done action movie by any means, and it's definitely superior to a good number of previous Bond films, but it's definitely a step down from ''Casino Royale''--which was one of the most acclaimed action movies of 2006, and is now often cited as one of the best movies in the James Bond franchise. While it got generally favorable reviews from critics (it currently holds a score of 64% on Website/RottenTomatoes), many fans trashed it after comparing it to ''Casino Royale''.



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31st Aug '17 8:14:55 AM Saveelich
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: This film took a lot of heat for being a Bond film that apparently really ''didn't'' want to be a Bond film. As such, it was really hard to care about anything happening in it, as nobody in the film came across as likable -- the quintessential Bond elements were gone and the most common complaint was that the film wasn't a fun, escapist fantasy. Of course, given how ''Casino Royale'' ended, was there anywhere else to logically go? It's still a touchy subject in the fandom.
20th Dec '16 5:14:45 PM Clown-Face
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheGeneralissimo General Medrano]] raped and killed Camille's family in front of her, and burnt down the house. He conspires with Dominic Greene of the organization Quantum, deliberately engineering a nationwide drought in Bolivia to get allow Quantum to get its hands on his nation's water supply and having the gall to frame the government for selling off its rainforests. Medrano is willing to plunge his nation into drought and famine, dooming multiple innocent people, [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans just so he can have an excuse to seize power]]. When Greene informs Medrano how expendable he truly is to Quantum, Medrano buckles under pressure and acquiesces to Greene's demands before [[AttemptedRape trying to rape his maid]] out of frustration. When Camille intervenes, Medrano tries to rape and murder her as well, mocking her about her mother and sister.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheGeneralissimo General Medrano]] raped and killed Camille's family in front of her, and burnt down the house. He conspires with Dominic Greene of the organization Quantum, deliberately engineering a nationwide drought in Bolivia to get allow Quantum to get its hands on his nation's water supply and having the gall to frame the government for selling off its rainforests. Medrano is willing to plunge his nation into drought and famine, dooming multiple innocent people, [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans just so he can have an excuse to seize power]]. When Greene informs Medrano how expendable he truly is to Quantum, Medrano buckles under pressure and acquiesces to Greene's demands before [[AttemptedRape trying to rape his maid]] out of frustration. When Camille intervenes, Medrano tries to rape and murder her as well, mocking her about her mother and sister.
12th Dec '16 9:25:30 AM 43110
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheGeneralissimo General Medrano]] raped and killed Camille's family in front of her, and burnt down the house. He conspires with Dominic Greene of the organization Quantum, deliberately engineering a nationwide drought in Bolivia to get allow Quantum to get its hands on his nation's water supply and having the gall to frame the government for selling off its rainforests. Medrano is willing to plunge his nation into drought and famine, dooming multiple innocent people, just so he can have an excuse to seize power. When Greene informs Medrano how expendable he truly is to Quantum, Medrano buckles under pressure and acquiesces to Greene's demands before [[AttemptedRape trying to rape his maid]] out of frustration. When Camille intervenes, Medrano [[AttemptedRape tries to rape and murder her as well]], mocking her about her mother and sister.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheGeneralissimo General Medrano]] raped and killed Camille's family in front of her, and burnt down the house. He conspires with Dominic Greene of the organization Quantum, deliberately engineering a nationwide drought in Bolivia to get allow Quantum to get its hands on his nation's water supply and having the gall to frame the government for selling off its rainforests. Medrano is willing to plunge his nation into drought and famine, dooming multiple innocent people, [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans just so he can have an excuse to seize power.power]]. When Greene informs Medrano how expendable he truly is to Quantum, Medrano buckles under pressure and acquiesces to Greene's demands before [[AttemptedRape trying to rape his maid]] out of frustration. When Camille intervenes, Medrano [[AttemptedRape tries to rape and murder her as well]], well, mocking her about her mother and sister.
14th Nov '16 7:46:24 AM QueenofSwords
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** The theme song, "Another Way to Die", is this as well. After the near-universal acclaim of "You Know My Name" from the previous film, many felt this song was a ''terrible'' follow-up.
2nd Oct '16 9:46:34 AM Saveelich
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** With Mr. White returning in ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', there was some closure/expansion to what ''Quantum'' left... and an even more divisive reception.

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** With Mr. White returning in ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', there was some closure/expansion to what ''Quantum'' left... and an even more still a divisive reception.
30th Aug '16 6:21:24 PM Saveelich
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* ToughActToFollow: This isn't a badly done action movie, by any means, and it's definitely superior to a good number of previous Bond films, but it's definitely a step down from ''Casino Royale''--which was one of the most acclaimed action movies of 2006, and is now often cited as one of the top 10 movies in the James Bond franchise. While it got generally favorable reviews from critics (it currently holds a score of 64% on Website/RottenTomatoes), many fans trashed it after comparing it to ''Casino Royale''.

%%* {{Theiss Titillation Theory}}: See ({{Vapor Wear}}) example.

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* ToughActToFollow: This isn't a badly done action movie, movie by any means, and it's definitely superior to a good number of previous Bond films, but it's definitely a step down from ''Casino Royale''--which was one of the most acclaimed action movies of 2006, and is now often cited as one of the top 10 best movies in the James Bond franchise. While it got generally favorable reviews from critics (it currently holds a score of 64% on Website/RottenTomatoes), many fans trashed it after comparing it to ''Casino Royale''.

Royale''.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Mathieu Amalric was mainly known for playing whimsical or eccentric intellectuals in French auteur cinema. How he ended up as a Bond villain is anyone's guess.
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4th Jun '16 9:30:28 PM nombretomado
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, with a solid, if not particularly inspired, FPS (even if it's more of a ''Casino Royale'' adaptation - only five of its twenty levels are from ''Quantum of Solace''). The PS2 version is a well made third person shooter, and the DS is hard to describe. Incidentally, the Next-Gen and PC versions were done by [[VideoGame/CallOfDuty Treyarch]].

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, with a solid, if not particularly inspired, FPS (even if it's more of a ''Casino Royale'' adaptation - only five of its twenty levels are from ''Quantum of Solace''). The PS2 [=PS2=] version is a well made third person shooter, and the DS is hard to describe. Incidentally, the Next-Gen and PC versions were done by [[VideoGame/CallOfDuty Treyarch]].
28th Feb '16 11:41:00 AM HamburgerTime
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* HarsherInHindsight: The villains' plot, depriving the Bolivian people of water, [[{{Narm}} seemed silly]] when it was released. In 2016, it was determined that the government of Flint, Michigan, deliberately allowed their water supply to become toxic, which led thousands of locals to suffer serious ailments such as lead poisoning.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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The villains' plot, depriving the Bolivian people of water, [[{{Narm}} seemed silly]] when it was released. In 2016, it was determined that the government of Flint, Michigan, deliberately allowed their water supply to become toxic, which led thousands of locals to suffer serious ailments such as lead poisoning.poisoning.
** According to WordOfGod, the reason Bond and Camille do not sleep together in this film is because the writers felt that having their hero seduce a traumatized rape victim would be in exceptionally poor taste. In the [[Film/{{Skyfall}} very next film]], however, Bond does in fact seduce a traumatized rape victim... and it got pretty much the exact reaction they feared they would get with this one, so one wonders why they forgot.
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