History YMMV / PokemonTheFirstMovie

17th Jul '16 9:19:09 AM SpinAttaxx
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Though it's rather downplayed (and excised completely in the English dub), Mewtwo is NotEvilJustMisunderstood, and merely seeking a purpose in life (if using ''very'' questionable means to achieve it). Later ''Pokémon'' films with actual sinister-looking Pokémon as the (apparent or actual) BigBad would go overboard with this trope, to the point where such a Pokémon making a HeelFaceTurn is a common and tired cliché they share.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Though it's rather downplayed (and excised completely in the English dub), Mewtwo is NotEvilJustMisunderstood, and merely seeking a purpose in life (if using ''very'' questionable means to achieve it). going about it in completely the wrong way). Later ''Pokémon'' films with actual sinister-looking Pokémon as the (apparent or actual) BigBad would go overboard with this trope, to the point where such a Pokémon either not being evil or making a HeelFaceTurn is a common and tired cliché they share.
17th Jul '16 9:17:15 AM SpinAttaxx
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* EvilIsCool: It's often agreed that Mewtwo is the best antagonist of all the ''Pokémon'' movies, with his immense power, BadassBaritone, cool design, being an actual villainous Pokémon and having [[FinalSolution darker objectives]] compared to the other movie villains.



** Most people know there were at least two movies, but most people (at least outside of Japan) don't know that there is a [[strike:''15th'']] ''18th'' movie, ''and counting''.

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** Most people know there were at least two movies, but most people (at least outside of Japan) don't know that there is a [[strike:''15th'']] ''18th'' an ''nineteenth'' movie, ''and counting''.



* FranchiseOriginalSin: Though it's rather downplayed (and excised completely in the English dub), Mewtwo is NotEvilJustMisunderstood, and merely seeking a purpose in life (if using ''very'' questionable means to achieve it). Later ''Pokémon'' films with actual sinister-looking Pokémon as the (apparent or actual) BigBad would go overboard with this trope, to the point where such a Pokémon making a HeelFaceTurn is a common and tired cliché they share.



** Mewtwo being the "strongest" Pokemon ever, when by now (before the release of PokemonSunAndMoon) it's more of a MemeticBadass than it is actually really powerful, and it's definitely not the most powerful Pokemon ever. Not only was this film released when five of the remaining six regions didn't exist yet (though Johto's games weren't yet released) and all of their unique Pokemon were somehow undiscovered in their own region (barring Unova), but the Psychic typing at the time was broken in a way that made it far too powerful, and Mewtwo is, of course, Psychic. This also handily explains why Shadow Ball did almost nothing to Mew- Ghost typing was miscoded originally and wasn't super effective to Psychic-types. Mewtwo was created to be the most powerful ''Kanto'' Pokemon (as the researchers were basing its power level on the only Pokemon they could- Kanto ones).

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** Mewtwo being the "strongest" Pokemon ever, when by now (before the release of PokemonSunAndMoon) ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'') it's more of a MemeticBadass than it is actually really powerful, and it's definitely not the most powerful Pokemon ever. Not only was this film released when five of the remaining six regions didn't exist yet (though Johto's games weren't yet released) and all of their unique Pokemon were somehow undiscovered in their own region (barring Unova), but the Psychic typing at the time was broken in a way that made it far too powerful, and Mewtwo is, of course, Psychic. This also handily explains why Shadow Ball did almost nothing to Mew- Ghost typing was miscoded originally and wasn't super effective to Psychic-types. Mewtwo was created to be the most powerful ''Kanto'' Pokemon (as the researchers were basing its power level on the only Pokemon they could- Kanto ones).



** Several people, including ''LetsPlay/HellfireCommentaries'', have pointed out [[CounterpartComparison Mewtwo's similarity to]] VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog. What really seals the comparison is that Mewtwo even has his own Maria in Ai/Amber.

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** Several people, including ''LetsPlay/HellfireCommentaries'', have pointed out [[CounterpartComparison Mewtwo's similarity to]] VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog.[[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Shadow the Hedgehog]]. What really seals the comparison is that Mewtwo even has his own Maria in Ai/Amber.



** The message behind the English version of the movie (as you'll learn multiple times) is that fighting (though to be fair, the kind of fighting that Mewtwo forces upon the Pokémon, not fighting in general) is wrong and that Pokémon aren't meant to fight to the death. [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite It probably wouldn't seem too far out of place for a Team Plasma propaganda film.]]

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** The message behind the English version of the movie (as you'll learn multiple times) is that fighting (though to be fair, the kind of fighting that Mewtwo forces upon the Pokémon, not fighting in general) is wrong and that Pokémon aren't meant to fight to the death. [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite It probably wouldn't seem too far out of place for a Team Plasma propaganda film.]]film]].



* InkStainAdaptation: Outside of the fandom, the English dub of the movie is considered very shoddy, and is partly responsible for the anime's and the franchise's SnarkBait reputation in the West. This is especially bad considering that Shudo's original script is regarded as ''better'' than much of the series.

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Outside of the fandom, the English dub of the movie is considered very shoddy, and is partly responsible for the anime's and the franchise's SnarkBait reputation in the West. This is especially bad considering that Shudo's original script is regarded as ''better'' than much of the series.series.
** To a lesser extent, this movie's Mewtwo has overshadowed almost all other depictions of the character, and its appearance in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' draws heavily from it.



* NarmCharm: Similar to ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', a lot of people enjoy the English dub due to nostalgia, the pop soundtrack, and Mewtwo's {{Badass}}ery as a villain, despite everyone acknowledging that the movie isn't one of the best around (as evidenced by its very, ''very'' low Website/RottenTomatoes rating).
* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/PokemonTheFirstMovie Has its own page.]]
* OneSceneWonder: The Blastoise in this movie is voiced by popular {{Badass}} seiyuu Creator/TesshoGenda in the Japanese version. "[[PokemonSpeak KAMEEEE~]]!"

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* NarmCharm: Similar to ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'', a lot of people enjoy the English dub due to nostalgia, the pop soundtrack, and Mewtwo's {{Badass}}ery {{badass}}ery as a villain, despite everyone acknowledging that the movie isn't one of the best around (as evidenced by its very, ''very'' low Website/RottenTomatoes rating).
* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/PokemonTheFirstMovie Has its own page.]]
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OneSceneWonder: The Blastoise in this movie is voiced by popular {{Badass}} seiyuu Creator/TesshoGenda in the Japanese version. "[[PokemonSpeak KAMEEEE~]]!"



* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Many fans unfamiliar with the Japanese version tend to be rather surprised at the "meaning of life" themes, Mewtwo's greater complexity as a character, and the occasional mentions of {{God}} in relation to said themes. Which becomes HilariousInHindsight when you realize that ever since ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'', there actually ''is'' a known God in the Pokémon world.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Many fans unfamiliar with the Japanese version tend to be rather surprised at the "meaning of life" themes, Mewtwo's greater complexity as a character, and the occasional mentions of {{God}} in relation to said themes. Which becomes HilariousInHindsight when you realize that ever since ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'', there actually ''is'' a known God in the Pokémon world.world.
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24th Jun '16 8:45:37 PM MrMediaGuy2
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** During the sad scene where all of the Pokémon are crying over Ash's body, the Dewgong start making sounds that are downright ''hilarious'', especially in the Japanese version. MoodWhiplash at its finest.

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** During the sad scene where all of the Pokémon are crying over Ash's body, the Dewgong start making sounds that are downright ''hilarious'', ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGH9qvStuaM hilarious]]'', especially in the Japanese version. MoodWhiplash at its finest.
14th Jun '16 2:50:36 PM SatoshiBakura
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** Despite what people say about the dub if you actually watch it there is alot of stuff you wont find in your average kid movie. Or adult movie for that matter.



** The fighting is wrong thing really needs context to make sense. In the show the fights are exaggerated sparring matches, when one loses they eyes go all swirly and its over. Half the time the pokemon get up right up afterwards and smile it off. But Mewtwo makes it clear that the non clone pokemon will die alongside the humans. Mewtwo is waging a fight to the death for racist reasons... There is plenty of mature content in the dub version as well.



* BrokenBase: The English dub; some have fond memories of it and still enjoy how it took a darker turn from the TV series, while others dislike how watered-down and generic it was made from the Japanese version.
** And then there are those who actually prefer the dub and think the Japanese version had its own share of problem. Mewtwo does'nt even remember the other clones so the Birth of Mewtwo has little effect on the story and think that Mewtwo's english version is cooler than the japanese version.
** There is also the "only humans cry" bit in the japanese version which makes no sense because we have seen pokemon cry before this movie came out.

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* BrokenBase: The English dub; some have fond memories of it and still enjoy how it took a darker turn from the TV series, while others and even prefer it to the Japanese version for nostalgic purposes. Others dislike how watered-down and generic it was made from the Japanese version.
** And then there are those who actually prefer the dub and think the Japanese version had its own share of problem. Mewtwo does'nt even remember the other clones so the Birth of Mewtwo has little effect on the story and think that Mewtwo's english version is cooler than the japanese version.
** There is also the "only humans cry" bit in the japanese version which makes no sense because we have seen pokemon cry before this movie came out.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Most people know there were at least two movies, but most people (at least outside of Japan) don't know that there is a [[strike:''15th'']] ''18th'' movie, ''and counting''.

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Most people know there were at least two movies, but most people (at least outside of Japan) don't know that there is a [[strike:''15th'']] ''18th'' movie, ''and counting''.



* VindicatedByHistory: To some extent. The movie used to be on the Website/IMDb Bottom 100 when it debuted, but now sits at an average rating. Most of the votes were initially from disgruntled adults taking their kids to see the movie, but they later became dominated by grown Pokéfans (the series' PopularityPolynomial definitely helped).
** Easier (but not outright "easy") access to the original Japanese version of the movie also helped, as it motivated quite a few ''Pokémon'' fans who aren't too fond of [=4Kids'=] dub to [[http://youchew.net/forum/index.php?/page/Articles/_/mediareviews/why-pokemon-mewtwo-strikes-back-is-m-r491 revisit the movie]] and develop a more positive opinion.

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* VindicatedByHistory: To some extent. The movie used to be on the Website/IMDb Bottom 100 when it debuted, but now sits at an average rating. Most of the votes were initially from disgruntled adults taking their kids to see the movie, but they later became dominated by grown Pokéfans (the series' PopularityPolynomial definitely helped).
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helped). Easier (but not outright "easy") access to the original Japanese version of the movie also helped, as it motivated quite a few ''Pokémon'' fans who aren't too fond of [=4Kids'=] dub to [[http://youchew.net/forum/index.php?/page/Articles/_/mediareviews/why-pokemon-mewtwo-strikes-back-is-m-r491 revisit the movie]] and develop a more positive opinion.
14th Jun '16 2:33:42 PM MajinAkuma
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** The fighting is wrong thing really needs context to make sense. In the show the fights are exaggerated sparring matches, when one looses they eyes go all swirly and its over. Half the time the pokemon get up right up afterwards and smile it off. But Mewtwo makes it clear that the non clone pokemon will die alongside the humans. Mewtwo is waging a fight to the death for racist reasons... There is plenty of mature content in the dub version as well.

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** The fighting is wrong thing really needs context to make sense. In the show the fights are exaggerated sparring matches, when one looses loses they eyes go all swirly and its over. Half the time the pokemon get up right up afterwards and smile it off. But Mewtwo makes it clear that the non clone pokemon will die alongside the humans. Mewtwo is waging a fight to the death for racist reasons... There is plenty of mature content in the dub version as well.



** Take a good look at [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Raymond Raymond,]] the trainer Ash faces at the movie's beginning, and the pattern in [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/2/2b/Fergus.png/300px-Fergus.png Fergus' backpack pattern.]] [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/c/c3/Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png/200px-Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png Notice]] [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattlefanon/images/f/f3/Kyogre.png/revision/20150408141658 something familiar?]]

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** Take a good look at [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Raymond Raymond,]] Raymond]], the trainer Ash faces at the movie's beginning, and the pattern in [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/2/2b/Fergus.png/300px-Fergus.png Fergus' backpack pattern.]] [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/c/c3/Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png/200px-Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png Notice]] [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattlefanon/images/f/f3/Kyogre.png/revision/20150408141658 something familiar?]]
8th Jun '16 2:54:17 PM santos32
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** If you watch the Japanese version, try not to hear Masachika Ichimura as Mewtwo. Lots of fans had trouble adjusting to Reiko Takashima's performance as [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened M16's "female" Mewtwo]] for this reason, with Dogasu[[note]]owner of the website Dogasu's Backpack[[/note]] noting that he kept lapsing into reading [[FanNickname Newtwo]]'s dialogue in Ichimura's voice when going through the M16 manga adaptation.

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** If you watch the Japanese version, try not to hear Masachika Ichimura as Mewtwo. Lots of fans had trouble adjusting to Reiko Takashima's performance as [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened M16's "female" Mewtwo]] for this reason, with Dogasu[[note]]owner of the website Dogasu's Backpack[[/note]] noting that he kept lapsing into reading [[FanNickname Newtwo]]'s dialogue in Ichimura's voice when going through the M16 manga adaptation. When Mewtwo returned as DLC in the latest ''Smash Bros.'' game, {{Keiji Fujiwara}}'s take on it was clearly inspired by Ichimura's performance.


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** Overlapping with the above CantUnhearIt, this version of Mewtwo is by far the most remembered iteration of the character to date. In its appearances in the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' games, its overall portrayal is based on this specific one.
6th Jun '16 10:15:18 PM Lullaby22
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* ContinuityLockout: As ''WebVideo/TheNostalgicCritic'' points out, if you try to watch this movie without being familiar with the anime, you're going to get lost pretty quickly.

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* ContinuityLockout: As ''WebVideo/TheNostalgicCritic'' ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' points out, if you try to watch this movie without being familiar with the anime, you're going to get lost pretty quickly.
6th Jun '16 10:14:54 PM Lullaby22
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* ContinuityLockout: As ''WebVideo/TheNostalgicCritic'' points out, if you try to watch this movie without being familiar with the anime, you're going to get lost pretty quickly.
11th May '16 7:50:15 PM Technicolourtardis
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** Mewtwo being the "strongest" Pokemon ever, when by now (before the release of PokemonSunAndMoon) it's more of a MemeticBadass than it is actually really powerful, and it's definitely not the most powerful Pokemon ever. Not only was this film released when five of the remaining six regions didn't exist yet (though Johto's games weren't yet released) and all of their unique Pokemon were somehow undiscovered in their own region (barring Unova), but the Psychic typing at the time was broken in a way that made it far too powerful, and Mewtwo is, of course, Psychic. This also handily explains why Shadow Ball did almost nothing to Mew- Ghost typing was miscoded originally and wasn't super effective to Psychic-types. Mewtwo was created to be the most powerful ''Kanto'' Pokemon (as the researchers were basing its power level on the only Pokemon they could- Kanto ones).
** Of course Pikachu's shocks did nothing- considering every known Rock type at the time was part-Ground, and Ash was now stone, it marks the only time Pikachu's attacks are properly useless against a Ground-type (again, Johto wasn't known at the time, it came out later, so Sudowoodo doesn't count).
3rd May '16 8:44:18 AM bassforte123
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* AssPull: The dub's moral of "fighting is wrong" makes sense given the context, but has very little to tie it to the rest of the movie and seemingly comes out of nowhere, unlike the original's. It also causes Mewtwo's "circumstances of one's birth" realization at the end to become this.

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* AssPull: The dub's moral of "fighting is wrong" makes sense given the context, but has very little to tie it to the rest of the movie and movie, seemingly comes out of nowhere, nowhere unlike the original's.original's, and like Anvilicious above essentially tries to highlight "killing is bad". It also causes Mewtwo's "circumstances of one's birth" realization at the end to become this.
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