History YMMV / PokemonTheFirstMovie

3rd May '16 8:44:18 AM bassforte123
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* AssPull: The dub's moral of "fighting is wrong" makes sense given the context, but has very little to tie it to the rest of the movie and seemingly comes out of nowhere, unlike the original's. It also causes Mewtwo's "circumstances of one's birth" realization at the end to become this.

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* AssPull: The dub's moral of "fighting is wrong" makes sense given the context, but has very little to tie it to the rest of the movie and movie, seemingly comes out of nowhere, nowhere unlike the original's.original's, and like Anvilicious above essentially tries to highlight "killing is bad". It also causes Mewtwo's "circumstances of one's birth" realization at the end to become this.
27th Mar '16 11:50:38 PM Nakayama90
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* NightmareFuel: Mewtwo. While Pokémon who are abused usually grow afraid or mistrustful towards humans, this one was driven half insane by it and decides to use his extremely powerful psychic abilities to exact his revenge, human and Pokémon alike. Given his game counterpart's ability in the later series to take on, and possibly even beat, other Legendaries, including Arceus, the god of all Pokémon itself, it's a ''very'' good thing for the universe in the anime that Mewtwo eventually decides to take a more productive approach to finding his purpose in life. The last thing Ash and his friends need is a Pokémon version of [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]] or [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] running amok.
** [[GoneHorriblyRight "We dreamed of creating the world's most powerful Pokémon... and we succeeded."]] (''cue Mewtwo killing everyone and blowing up the island'')
*** [[http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/978006477.jpg This promotional photo.]] Notable in that it depicts Mewtwo in EvilOverlooker fashion... with his mouth open, despite the fact that he never does so in the actual movie. Which, to be honest, makes the image all the creepier.

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* NightmareFuel: Mewtwo. While Pokémon who are abused usually grow afraid or mistrustful towards humans, this one was driven half insane by it and decides to use his extremely powerful psychic abilities to exact his revenge, human and Pokémon alike. Given his game counterpart's ability in the later series to take on, and possibly even beat, other Legendaries, including Arceus, the god of all Pokémon itself, it's a ''very'' good thing for the universe in the anime that Mewtwo eventually decides to take a more productive approach to finding his purpose in life. The last thing Ash and his friends need is a Pokémon version of [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]] or [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] running amok.
** [[GoneHorriblyRight "We dreamed of creating the world's most powerful Pokémon... and we succeeded."]] (''cue Mewtwo killing everyone and blowing up the island'')
*** [[http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/978006477.jpg This promotional photo.]] Notable in that it depicts Mewtwo in EvilOverlooker fashion... with his mouth open, despite the fact that he never does so in the actual movie. Which, to be honest, makes the image all the creepier.
[[NightmareFuel/PokemonTheFirstMovie Has its own page.]]
27th Jan '16 8:56:26 PM Karxrida
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* MagnumOpus: While the English version suffers from heavy bowdlerization and is LoveItOrHateIt, the Japanese version is considered among the best in the series, with some people calling it [[http://youchew.net/forum/index.php?/page/Articles/_/mediareviews/why-pokemon-mewtwo-strikes-back-is-m-r491 the best video game movie of all time]] (not that that's [[VideoGameMoviesSuck saying much]]). Along these lines, some people consider it to be Takeshi Shudo's best work along with ''Anime/{{Pokemon 3}}''.
22nd Jan '16 4:30:50 AM Firechick12012
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** The Japanese ending, ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOi6_Km120Y Together With The Wind]]'', sung by popular enka singer Sachiko Kobayashi (and in the beginning an unnamed little girl) is absolutely beautiful and heartwrenching.
21st Jan '16 5:55:53 AM spyro19
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** There is also the "only humans cry" bit in the japanese version which makes no sense because we have seen pokemon cry before this movie came out.
21st Jan '16 5:49:24 AM spyro19
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** Despite what people say about the dub if you actually watch it their is alot of stuff you wont find in your average kid movie. Or adult movie for that matter.

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** Despite what people say about the dub if you actually watch it their there is alot of stuff you wont find in your average kid movie. Or adult movie for that matter.
21st Jan '16 5:42:48 AM spyro19
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** Despite what people say about the dub if you actually watch it their is alot of stuff you wont find in your average kid movie. Or adult movie for that matter.
21st Jan '16 5:34:35 AM spyro19
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** The fighting is wrong thing really needs context to make sense. In the show the fights are exaggerated sparring matches, when one looses they eyes go all swirly and its over. Half the time the pokemon get up right up afterwards and smile it off. But Mewtwo makes it clear that the non clone pokemon will die alongside the humans. Mewtwo is waging a fight to the death for racist reasons... There is plenty of mature content in the dub version as well.


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** And then there are those who actually prefer the dub and think the Japanese version had its own share of problem. Mewtwo does'nt even remember the other clones so the Birth of Mewtwo has little effect on the story and think that Mewtwo's english version is cooler than the japanese version.
9th Jan '16 3:34:45 PM X2X
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-->'''Takeshi Shudo:''' Perhaps this anime is not only for children but [[ParentalBonus also for their guardians]]: Where is this? Who am I? If you answer, "This is a movie theater where I seldom come. I am a parent who has a child. --Ah, child rearing is an expensive, tiring job," I'll be slightly embarrassed by your answer.

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-->'''Takeshi Shudo:''' Perhaps "Perhaps this anime is not only for children but [[ParentalBonus also for their guardians]]: Where is this? Who am I? If you answer, "This 'This is a movie theater where I seldom come. I am a parent who has a child. --Ah, child rearing is an expensive, tiring job," job,' I'll be slightly embarrassed by your answer."



*** For a different comparison to ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', Mewtwo is an anthropomorphic animal with PsychicPowers who halts its attackers via [[MindOverMatter telekinesis]] and then flings them away, even remarking "It's no use" before showcasing this ability against Ash. [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Sound familiar?]] [[http://breakneck-blur.tumblr.com/post/65031566276/mewtwo-said-it-before-silver-did It should.]] For bonus points, both works were dubbed by [=4Kids=].
%% Just in case the original Tumblr closes due to inactivity at some point, here's an alternative link: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/630325-pokemon

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*** ** For a different comparison to ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', Mewtwo is an anthropomorphic animal with PsychicPowers who halts its attackers via [[MindOverMatter telekinesis]] and then flings them away, even remarking "It's no use" before showcasing this ability against Ash. [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Sound familiar?]] [[http://breakneck-blur.tumblr.com/post/65031566276/mewtwo-said-it-before-silver-did It should.]] For bonus points, both works were dubbed by [=4Kids=].
%% Just in case the original Tumblr closes due to inactivity at some point, here's an alternative link: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/630325-pokemon
[=4Kids=].
9th Jan '16 3:31:58 PM X2X
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: [[DefiedTrope Defied]] for the Japanese version, according to WordOfGod. Takeshi Shudo states that he made the movie to entertain children and their parents/guardians as well, and that he'd be "slightly embarrassed" by parents who'd just take their children to see the movie as chaperones. It's a shame that, not only did FourKidsEntertainment dub this as a straight-up kids' film (as opposed to a family film), but later movies in the series would fall squarely into this trope.
-->'''Takeshi Shudo''': Perhaps this anime is not only for children but [[ParentalBonus also for their guardians]]: Where is this? Who am I? If you answer, "This is a movie theater where I seldom come. I am a parent who has a child. --Ah, child rearing is an expensive, tiring job," I'll be slightly embarrassed by your answer.

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* AnimationAgeGhetto: [[DefiedTrope Defied]] {{Defied|Trope}} for the Japanese version, according to WordOfGod. Takeshi Shudo states that he made the movie to entertain children and their parents/guardians as well, and that he'd be "slightly embarrassed" by parents who'd just take their children to see the movie as chaperones. It's a shame that, not only did FourKidsEntertainment Creator/FourKidsEntertainment dub this as a straight-up kids' film (as opposed to a family film), but later movies in the series would fall squarely into this trope.
-->'''Takeshi Shudo''': Shudo:''' Perhaps this anime is not only for children but [[ParentalBonus also for their guardians]]: Where is this? Who am I? If you answer, "This is a movie theater where I seldom come. I am a parent who has a child. --Ah, child rearing is an expensive, tiring job," I'll be slightly embarrassed by your answer.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH0008o-6cs Tears of Life]]. That is all.
** The whole music soundtrack is filled with AwardBaitSong material, including [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijxIO4GQko "It Was You"]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mvqg4kEG7Y "Somewhere, Someday"]] by Music/{{NSYNC}}, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjoFZH3PtI "We're a Miracle"]] by ChristinaAguilera, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS89g2-rnM0 "Makin' My Way"]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5oGKWJKhGs "If Only Tears Can Bring You Back"]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEC7tPPKAXQ "Brother, My Brother"]]; a total of '''seven''' of these, when a movie usually has one or two at best.
*** The Japanese original qualifies too, seeing as it has a completely different soundtrack from the dub; the movie is full of appropriate and lovingly-written orchestral music, not to mention "Mesaze Pokémon Master", the opening song. What does this version use instead of the infamous "Brother, My Brother"? An actual OneWomanWail, which arguably gives a much better impression of the Pokémon's suffering.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: "Pikachu's Vacation" has several surreal cut aways (mostly scene transitions) to things involving other Pokémon.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH0008o-6cs Tears "Tears of Life]]. Life."]] That is all.
** The whole music soundtrack is filled with AwardBaitSong material, including [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijxIO4GQko "It Was You"]], You,"]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mvqg4kEG7Y "Somewhere, Someday"]] by Music/{{NSYNC}}, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjoFZH3PtI "We're a Miracle"]] by ChristinaAguilera, Music/ChristinaAguilera, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS89g2-rnM0 "Makin' My Way"]], Way,"]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5oGKWJKhGs "If Only Tears Can Bring You Back"]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEC7tPPKAXQ "Brother, My Brother"]]; a total of '''seven''' of these, when a movie usually has one or two at best.
*** The Japanese original qualifies too, seeing as it has a completely different soundtrack from the dub; the movie is full of appropriate and lovingly-written orchestral music, not to mention "Mesaze Pokémon Master", Master," the opening song. What does this version use instead of the infamous "Brother, My Brother"? An actual OneWomanWail, which arguably gives a much better impression of the Pokémon's suffering.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: "Pikachu's Vacation" has several surreal cut aways cutaways (mostly scene transitions) to things involving other Pokémon.



** For the English version, this can either be subverted or played straight depending on your point of view, in that both Philip Bartlett and Dan Green seem to be equally well-remembered as Mewtwo's voice.

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** For the English version, this can either be subverted or played straight depending on your point of view, in that both Philip Bartlett and Dan Green Creator/DanGreen (who took over the role in ''[[Anime/PokemonMewtwoReturns Mewtwo Returns]]'') seem to be equally well-remembered as Mewtwo's voice.



* CriticalDissonance: Did poorly with critics, but ended up being the highest grossing anime film released in the United States. Modern Pokémon fans also have a somewhat higher opinion of the movie, where it is considered polarizing instead of universally bad. However, the Japanese version is usually considered outright good.

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* CriticalDissonance: Did poorly with critics, but ended up being the highest grossing anime film released in the United States. Modern Pokémon ''Pokémon'' fans also have a somewhat higher opinion of the movie, where it is considered polarizing instead of universally bad. However, the Japanese version is usually considered outright good.



** In the Japanese version, Mew is an even bigger victim of this, especially to people who grew up with the English dub. While it ''does'' side with Ash, it [[FantasticRacism believe the originals to be superior to the clones]] and wants the clones to lose in a fight to the death. The problem is, due to Mew being a RidiculouslyCuteCritter and much less menacing than its clone, and the fact that Mewtwo ''is'' a pretty big dick and his clones serve under him, people are inclined to side with Mew despite the movie's moral of "all life is equal".

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** In the Japanese version, Mew is an even bigger victim of this, especially to people who grew up with the English dub. While it ''does'' side with Ash, it [[FantasticRacism believe believes the originals to be superior to the clones]] and wants the clones to lose in a fight to the death. The problem is, due to Mew being a RidiculouslyCuteCritter and much less menacing than its clone, and the fact that Mewtwo ''is'' a pretty big dick and his clones serve under him, people are inclined to side with Mew despite the movie's moral of "all life is equal".equal."



* FirstInstallmentWins: Most people know there were at least two movies, but most people (at least outside of Japan) don't know that there is a ''15th'' movie, ''and counting''.
* FridgeBrilliance: In the games it is said that Mew only appears to those who are pure of heart. It's first appearance in public shows [[BigDamnHeroes it saving Ash.]] Is it a wonder he is TheChosenOne in the second movie?

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* FirstInstallmentWins: Most people know there were at least two movies, but most people (at least outside of Japan) don't know that there is a ''15th'' [[strike:''15th'']] ''18th'' movie, ''and counting''.
* FridgeBrilliance: In the games it is said that Mew only appears to those who are pure of heart. It's Its first appearance in public shows [[BigDamnHeroes it saving Ash.]] Ash]]. Is it a wonder he is TheChosenOne in the second movie?



** They might still be alive, [[spoiler: due to Mewtwo pressing the Reset Button]].
** Ash released all of his Pokémon for the battle with Mewtwo, save Pidgeotto. Does that mean that [[spoiler: when Ash was turned to stone, so was Pidgeotto?]]

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** They might still be alive, [[spoiler: due [[spoiler:due to Mewtwo pressing the Reset Button]].
ResetButton]].
** Ash released all of his Pokémon for the battle with Mewtwo, save Pidgeotto. Does that mean that [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Ash was turned to stone, so was Pidgeotto?]]Pidgeotto]]?



** The message behind the English version of the movie (as you'll learn multiple times) is that fighting (though to be fair, the kind of fighting that Mewtwo forces upon the Pokémon, not fighting in general) is wrong and that Pokémon aren't meant to fight to the death. [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite It probably wouldn't seem too far out of place for a Team Plasma propaganda film]].
** Because Mewtwo's special Pokéball wasn't given an actual name in the movie itself, some have actually started calling it a Master Ball because of the "ridiculous" catch rate. A later episode would feature an actual Master Ball, and it ''failed'' in capturing a Pokémon (a Whiscash).
** Take a good look at [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Raymond Raymond]], the trainer Ash faces at the movie's beginning, and the pattern in [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/2/2b/Fergus.png/300px-Fergus.png Fergus' backpack pattern]]. [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/c/c3/Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png/200px-Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png Notice]] [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattlefanon/images/f/f3/Kyogre.png/revision/20150408141658 something familiar?]]

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*** For a different comparison to ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', Mewtwo is an anthropomorphic animal with PsychicPowers who halts its attackers via [[MindOverMatter telekinesis]] and then flings them away, even remarking "It's no use" before showcasing this ability against Ash. [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Sound familiar?]] [[http://breakneck-blur.tumblr.com/post/65031566276/mewtwo-said-it-before-silver-did It should.]] For bonus points, both works were dubbed by [=4Kids=].
%% Just in case the original Tumblr closes due to inactivity at some point, here's an alternative link: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/630325-pokemon
** The message behind the English version of the movie (as you'll learn multiple times) is that fighting (though to be fair, the kind of fighting that Mewtwo forces upon the Pokémon, not fighting in general) is wrong and that Pokémon aren't meant to fight to the death. [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite It probably wouldn't seem too far out of place for a Team Plasma propaganda film]].
film.]]
** Because Mewtwo's special Pokéball Poké Ball wasn't given an actual name in the movie itself, some have actually started calling it a Master Ball because of the "ridiculous" catch rate. A later episode would feature an actual Master Ball, and it ''failed'' in capturing a Pokémon (a Whiscash).
** Take a good look at [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Raymond Raymond]], Raymond,]] the trainer Ash faces at the movie's beginning, and the pattern in [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/2/2b/Fergus.png/300px-Fergus.png Fergus' backpack pattern]]. pattern.]] [[http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/c/c3/Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png/200px-Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Team_Aqua_Grunts.png Notice]] [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattlefanon/images/f/f3/Kyogre.png/revision/20150408141658 something familiar?]]



* MagnificentBastard: Mewtwo, pre-[[HeelFaceTurn Heel-Face Turn,]] fits this to a ''tee''. Brilliant? Check. Smooth operator who almost never loses his cool? Check. Has a goal and is going to get there, dangit? Check. Charismatic? From the high amount of fans he's earned, it seems safe to say check. GenreSavvy? Pretty much so. Audacious? It doesn't get much more audacious than ''trying to wipe out all life on Earth''.
* MemeticMutation: Pokemon aren't meant to fight. Not like this! [[note]]Due to being released in America during the height of the "Pokemon is Animal Abuse" controversy, 4Kids decided to take it upon themselves to insert an anti-fighting aesop into the movie.[[/note]]
* {{Narm}}: A few examples, mostly thanks to the changes 4kids made to the original film:
** 4kids' editing and script changing is a source of this, though there seem to be just as many people seeing their work as NarmCharm instead.

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* MagnificentBastard: Mewtwo, pre-[[HeelFaceTurn Heel-Face Turn,]] pre-HeelFaceTurn, fits this to a ''tee''. Brilliant? Check. Smooth operator who almost never loses his cool? Check. Has a goal and is going to get there, dangit? Check. Charismatic? From the high amount of fans he's earned, it seems safe to say check. GenreSavvy? Pretty much so. Audacious? It doesn't get much more audacious than ''trying to wipe out all life on Earth''.
* MemeticMutation: Pokemon "Pokémon aren't meant to fight. Not like this! this!" [[note]]Due to being released in America during the height of the "Pokemon "Pokémon is Animal Abuse" controversy, 4Kids [=4Kids=] decided to take it upon themselves to insert an anti-fighting aesop into the movie.[[/note]]
* {{Narm}}: A few examples, mostly thanks to the changes 4kids [=4Kids=] made to the original film:
** 4kids' [=4Kids'=] editing and script changing is a source of this, though there seem to be just as many people seeing their work as NarmCharm instead.



* NightmareFuel: Mewtwo. While Pokémon who are abused usually grow afraid or mistrustful towards humans, this one was driven half insane by it and decides to use his extremely powerful psychic abilities to exact his revenge, human and Pokémon alike. Given his game counterpart's ability in the later series to take on, and possibly even beat, other Legendaries, including Arceus, the god of all Pokémon itself, it's a ''very'' good thing for the universe in the animé that Mewtwo eventually decides to take a more productive approach to finding his purpose in life. The last thing Ash and his friends need is a Pokémon version of [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]] or [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] running amok.
** [[GoneHorriblyRight "We dreamed of creating the world's most powerful Pokémon...and we succeeded."]] *cue Mewtwo killing everyone and blowing up the island*
*** [[http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/978006477.jpg This promotional photo]]. Notable in that it depicts Mewtwo in EvilOverlooker fashion...with his mouth open, despite the fact that he never does so in the actual movie. Which, to be honest, makes the image all the creepier.

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* NightmareFuel: Mewtwo. While Pokémon who are abused usually grow afraid or mistrustful towards humans, this one was driven half insane by it and decides to use his extremely powerful psychic abilities to exact his revenge, human and Pokémon alike. Given his game counterpart's ability in the later series to take on, and possibly even beat, other Legendaries, including Arceus, the god of all Pokémon itself, it's a ''very'' good thing for the universe in the animé anime that Mewtwo eventually decides to take a more productive approach to finding his purpose in life. The last thing Ash and his friends need is a Pokémon version of [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]] or [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] running amok.
** [[GoneHorriblyRight "We dreamed of creating the world's most powerful Pokémon... and we succeeded."]] *cue (''cue Mewtwo killing everyone and blowing up the island*
island'')
*** [[http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/978006477.jpg This promotional photo]]. photo.]] Notable in that it depicts Mewtwo in EvilOverlooker fashion...fashion... with his mouth open, despite the fact that he never does so in the actual movie. Which, to be honest, makes the image all the creepier.
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