History YMMV / PokemonAnime

22nd Oct '17 3:01:20 PM DevinMeenan
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** While the ''XY''series was typically (though not [[BrokenBase universally]]) seen as an improvement over ''Black and White'', the same cannot be said for the era's movies. ''Anime/PokemonDiancieAndTheCocoonOfDestruction'' and ''Anime/PokemonVolcanionAndTheMechanicalMarvel'' are usually seen as [[ClicheStorm a collection of the series' cliches]] and SoOkayItsAverage, while ''Anime/PokemonHoopaAndTheClashOfAges'' is rather disliked and seen as one of the weakest overall movies.
20th Oct '17 12:01:10 PM Psi001
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*** Lillie, though in this case it's based more on comparisons to her game counterpart than her personality on its own. She's won over many fans due to her {{Adorkable}} nature and potential at being an interesting character. Many fans, on the other hand, hate her due to replacing the female protagonist and her massive differences from her well-loved game counterpart (i.e. she's afraid of Pokémon as a whole, while in the games, she only dislikes seeing Pokémon get hurt), and apparent rewrite of ''her entire backstory'' (going from a [[spoiler: runaway girl with an extremely DarkAndTroubledPast]] to a SpoiledSweet rich kid who owns an entire mansion on Melemele). Luckily enough, this has largely died down after her expanded development in episode 8, where her fear of touching Pokémon is revealed to have much darker undertones, and her family is introduced (albeit in portrait form) for the first time.

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*** Lillie, though in this case it's based more on comparisons to her game counterpart than her personality on its own. She's won over many fans due to her {{Adorkable}} nature and potential at being an interesting character. Many fans, on the other hand, hate her due to replacing the female protagonist and her massive differences from her well-loved game counterpart (i.e. she's afraid of Pokémon as a whole, while in the games, she only dislikes seeing Pokémon get hurt), and apparent rewrite of ''her entire backstory'' (going from a [[spoiler: runaway girl with an extremely DarkAndTroubledPast]] to a SpoiledSweet rich kid who owns an entire mansion on Melemele). Luckily enough, this has largely died down after her expanded development in episode 8, 8 onwards, where her fear of touching Pokémon is revealed to have much darker undertones, and her family is introduced (albeit in portrait form) for slowly getting introduction and build up to the first time.anime's adaptation of the Aether Foundation plot line.
20th Oct '17 11:58:07 AM Psi001
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** Mallow, Lana, and Sophocles all get this to some extent. This is mainly due to the fact that in contrast to previous series, who would just have a main cast of 3-4 people, we now have a cast of ''6'' to take care of. Some find this refreshing, enjoy all of the different characters' quirks and dreams, and feel that it allows for a much more diverse and varied cast. Others, however, feel that these three characters are rather bland and uninteresting, that the show would have worked out just as fine or even better with just starring Ash, Lillie, and Kiawe, and are concerned with having so many characters to develop, as either this will end up shafting at least one character by the end of the show, or will end up cause too much filler while developing each individual character. Mallow gets the least of this, due to her {{Nice G|uy}}irl attitude and having an interesting dynamic with Ash and Lillie. Sophocles, on the other hand, is heavily disliked by this group due to being too similar to Clemont from the previous season and not having enough quirks to separate him from anyone else.

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** Mallow, Lana, and Sophocles all get this to some extent. This is mainly due to the fact that in contrast to previous series, who would just have a main cast of 3-4 people, we now have a cast of ''6'' to take care of. Some find this refreshing, enjoy all of the different characters' quirks and dreams, and feel that it allows for a much more diverse and varied cast. Others, however, feel that these three characters are rather bland and uninteresting, that the show would have worked out just as fine or even better with just starring Ash, Lillie, and Kiawe, and are concerned with having so many characters to develop, as either this will end up shafting at least one character by the end of the show, or will end up cause too much filler while developing each individual character. Mallow gets the least of this, due to her {{Nice G|uy}}irl attitude and having an interesting dynamic with Ash and Lillie. Sophocles, on the other hand, is heavily disliked by this group due to being too similar to Clemont from the previous season and not having enough quirks to separate him from anyone else. Ironically while some good limelight episodes warmed the fan base a bit more to Lana and Sophocles, Mallow has been increasingly criticised for being OutOfFocus and not making any significant contributions or progressions besides her Steenee evolving.
15th Oct '17 7:35:07 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* FanNickname: "Suicide Mountain" for Ash's Torterra's Rock Climb, given how often the move ends up backfiring and contributing to Torterra's (many) defeats.
15th Oct '17 7:31:38 PM DevinMeenan
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* FanNickname: "Suicide Mountain" for Ash's Torterra's Rock Climb, given how often the move ends up backfiring and contributing to Torterra's (many) defeats.
12th Oct '17 10:32:05 PM KOman
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** Regardless of your opinion of Contests (and later Showcases), you can at least say that they gave the show another plot-line beyond Ash's Gym battles and the occasional run-ins with the evil team, lessening the need for the filler experienced during Johto. It also gave the main girl something to do after some complaints about Misty's sparse relevance to the plot.
11th Oct '17 8:58:45 PM DevinMeenan
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** Turtwig. In his first major battle, he was able to beat a dinosaur that's more than four times his size. Then writers turned him into a {{Jobber}} to make Paul (and by extension, Infernape) look stronger. Torterra was ''meant'' to still be considered strong, but beating nobody except [[GoldfishPoopGang Team Rocket]] seriously weakened his cred.

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** Turtwig. In his first major battle, he was able to beat a dinosaur Rampardos that's more than four times his size. Then writers turned him into a {{Jobber}} to make Paul (and by extension, Infernape) look stronger. Torterra was ''meant'' to still be considered strong, but beating nobody except [[GoldfishPoopGang Team Rocket]] seriously weakened his cred.



** With the upset of the Kalos League, many people started to propose that [[https://www.google.ca/search?q=Alain+Cheated theories]] that Alain cheated, possibly unknowingly. The main theories for how this was done include the Mega Stone that Alain got from Lysandre buffing Charizard to the point of steroids, or that Malva had one of her Pokémon use Sunny Day to undo Goodra's Rain Dance, weakening Greninja in the process while powering up Charizard.

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** With the upset of the Kalos League, many people started to propose that [[https://www.google.ca/search?q=Alain+Cheated theories]] that Alain cheated, possibly unknowingly. The main theories for how this was done include that the Mega Stone that Alain got from Lysandre buffing buffed Charizard to the point of steroids, or that Malva had one of her Pokémon use Sunny Day to undo Goodra's Rain Dance, weakening Greninja in the process while powering up Charizard.
9th Oct '17 6:54:15 AM Viroro-kun
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Coming off the heels of the heavily disliked ''Black and White'' series, the first two years of ''XY'' were widely well-received for the most part for having improved writing, action and battle animation, a much more competent take on Ash, a better balance on having Team Rocket threatening at times while keeping their comedic traits, a likable group of companions and supporting characters, a good pacing that averted ArcFatigue, and the Mega Evolution specials enticing viewers with a quite different take on the series than usual. As detailed under ContestedSequel, opinions are split on if ''XY&Z'' falls under EvenBetterSequel or SeasonalRot.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Coming off the heels of the heavily disliked ''Black and White'' series, the first two years of ''XY'' were widely well-received for the most part for having improved writing, action and battle animation, a much more competent take on Ash, a better balance on having Team Rocket threatening at times while keeping their comedic traits, a likable group of companions and supporting characters, a good pacing that averted ArcFatigue, and the Mega Evolution specials enticing viewers with a quite different take on the series than usual. As detailed under ContestedSequel, SeasonalRot, opinions are split on if ''XY&Z'' falls under EvenBetterSequel or SeasonalRot.it's a step down.
9th Oct '17 4:42:48 AM Viroro-kun
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** The third and final season of the ''XY'' series, ''XY&Z'', is an unique case in that the season as a whole is still relatively [[DownplayedTrope well-liked]] with several of the anime's best moments coming from it, but at the same time many of the ''XY'' era's greatest flaws are highlighted in this season as well. As a result, it is a shooting target for some detractors of the show. On the plus side, it had a very well-liked [[ArcVillain arc centered around Team Flare]], had some CharacterDevelopment for Ash (until then something of an InvincibleHero in the ''XY'' seasons), and had some of the most dynamic and [[AnimationBump well-animated]] battles in the entire series, and it's Japanese soundtrack is [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome made of win]]. The rot sets in during what are ''supposed'' to be some of the season's climactic moments, however, and outside the Team Flare arc the last leg of the season is considered a step down. It is mainly criticized for: Serena's [[InvincibleIncompetent Invincible Incompetence]] and lackluster Master Class episodes, Ash releasing Greninja ''and'' Goodra (his two most memorable team additions of the series), Team Rocket reverting back to a GoldfishPoopGang that appears too much, and [[InternetBackdraft especially]] [[spoiler: Ash losing at the Kalos League.]] The goodbye episode for the ''XY'' gang, while not nearly as polarizing, was still viewed as rushed with [[FlashBack flashbacks]] taking up nearly half the runtime.

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** The third and final season of the ''XY'' series, ''XY&Z'', is an unique case in that the season as a whole is still relatively [[DownplayedTrope well-liked]] with several of the anime's best moments coming from it, but at the same time many of the ''XY'' era's greatest flaws are highlighted in this season as well. As a result, it is a shooting target for some detractors of the show. On the plus side, it had a very well-liked [[ArcVillain arc centered around Team Flare]], had some CharacterDevelopment for Ash (until then something of an InvincibleHero in the ''XY'' seasons), and had some of the most dynamic and [[AnimationBump well-animated]] battles in the entire series, and it's Japanese soundtrack is [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome made of win]]. The rot sets in during what are ''supposed'' to be some of the season's climactic moments, however, and outside the Team Flare arc the last leg of the season is considered a step down. It is mainly criticized for: Serena's [[InvincibleIncompetent Invincible Incompetence]] and lackluster Master Class episodes, Ash releasing Greninja ''and'' Goodra (his two most memorable team additions of the series), Team Rocket reverting back to a GoldfishPoopGang that appears too much, and [[InternetBackdraft especially]] [[spoiler: Ash losing at the Kalos League.]] The goodbye episode for the ''XY'' gang, while not nearly as polarizing, was still viewed by some as rushed with [[FlashBack flashbacks]] taking up nearly half the runtime.runtime, though others felt the previous three episodes built up to said goodbye enough to justify that format.



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Coming off the heels of the heavily disliked ''Black and White'' series, the first two years of ''XY'' were widely well-received for the most part for having improved writing, action and battle animation, a much more competent take on Ash, a better balance on having Team Rocket threatening at times while keeping their comedic traits, and a likable group of companions and supporting characters, a good pacing that averted ArcFatigue, and the Mega Evolution specials enticing viewers with a quite different take on the series than usual. As detailed under ContestedSequel, opinions are split on if ''XY&Z'' falls under EvenBetterSequel or SeasonalRot.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Coming off the heels of the heavily disliked ''Black and White'' series, the first two years of ''XY'' were widely well-received for the most part for having improved writing, action and battle animation, a much more competent take on Ash, a better balance on having Team Rocket threatening at times while keeping their comedic traits, and a likable group of companions and supporting characters, a good pacing that averted ArcFatigue, and the Mega Evolution specials enticing viewers with a quite different take on the series than usual. As detailed under ContestedSequel, opinions are split on if ''XY&Z'' falls under EvenBetterSequel or SeasonalRot.
9th Oct '17 4:26:20 AM Viroro-kun
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Coming off the heels of the heavily disliked ''Black and White'' series, the first two years of ''XY'' were widely well-received for the most part for having improved writing, action and battle animation, a much more competent take on Ash, a better balance on having Team Rocket threatening at times while keeping their comedic traits, and a likable group of companions and supporting characters, a good pacing that averted ArcFatigue, and the Mega Evolution specials enticing viewers with a quite different take on the series than usual. As detailed under ContestedSequel, opinions are split on if ''XY&Z'' falls under EvenBetterSequel or SeasonalRot.
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