History YMMV / PokemonAnime

19th Apr '18 10:14:29 AM Pichu-kun
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Ash himself has gone through several phases of characterization DependingOnTheWriter, ranging from rookie to mentor and back again.
*** Some people consider him a "what-not-to-do" avatar for younger Pokémon fans for much of the series, particularly in the original and BW series. Others consider him to be a poor unfortunate soul cursed to wander endlessly without ever realizing it.
*** Ash's personality in Sun and Moon could be due to how one acts on vacation, especially given that he still shows extensive competence in battle.
*** Other fans believe Ash is utterly irresponsible trainer, dumping his Pokémon off at Oak's is especially contentious, especially with fans of said Pokémon. They view Ash's actions as a non-lethal YouHaveFailedMe for not winning the league. Defenders of this policy will, however, point to the issues Ash had when he did not start over his team in Johto (the comparative weakness of the Johto mons), and the additional skills the Pokemon at Oak's ranch learn being a benefit of their stay, such as Noctowl's much improved performance at the Sinnoh League, as well as the general view that Oak's ranch is a much better way of retaining his old Pokemon than the releasing and handing them off for training that Ash was prone to doing in the original series. It should also be noted that as a MerchandiseDriven show, the anime is required to showcase Ash using the newest Pokémon of every generation.
*** Smiling off his [[spoiler: Kalos League loss]] is seen as either a sign of his apathy for his journey, avoiding to show his disappointment after the reprimand his first time in that position (post Indigo) got him, or a sign of maturity after the development he's gone through after several regions and the Ash-Greninja arc.
** Episode 3: Most of Pikachu and Caterpie's conversation consists of them making fun of Ash, and how pathetic he is as an upstart Pokémon trainer.
** Misty's acquisition of Togepi allowed her to tame her earlier feistiness and matured her into someone more nurturing, instead of it being gone entirely.
** Misty isn't a FauxActionGirl, she just didn't have as many opportunities to show her skills due to having a poorly defined goal and Ash being the main character.
** Ritchie as the physical representation of Ash's potential when not weighed down by his negative attributes and the StatusQuoIsGod constraints of a cartoon LongRunner is a popular interpretation of him...usually held by the people who don't [[TheScrappy hate his guts]].
** Cameron could be considered the {{Antithesis}} of Ritchie. A league rival who represents Ash's negative qualities (dopiness and impulsiveness) but ''amplified''.
** Is Charizard a lazy, freeloading, ungrateful jerk or does the lizard see Ash as unworthy to lend his strength, explaining his refusal to listen to Ash unless properly motivated before CharacterDevelopment kicked in.
** Burgundy's interpretation of Cilan may not just be her imagination, as we ''see'' him in battle start toying with her needlessly and actually smiling in an sinister fashion.
** Burgundy herself is thought to be a {{Tsundere}} with some BelligerentSexualTension with Cilan.
** Something about Reggie making Paul's Electabuzz afraid of him is popular for interpretation.
** Is Johanna (Dawn's mom) a [[StageMom pageant mom]], conditioning Dawn into contests and making her succeed so she can live through her achievements, or is she honestly supporting her daughter's interest in contests after having a successful career in the field herself?
** Since not much is known about Trip, it's become a fandom thing to make Trip have {{hidden depths}} that were never touched on in the anime. The most common interpretation is that Trip is secretly {{cute and psycho}} (owing to his insistence on using violent force regardless of the Venipede's potential innocence and sabotaging the peace efforts, and even after [[DefrostingIceQueen dropping the insults and awkwardly befriending Ash]], [[spoiler:he goes quickly from looking upset to face off against Ash so soon into the league to having Serperior strangle Pikachu into unconsciousness while smirking and is even blushing in the freeze frame]]) and is obsessed with the occult (given he has two ghost Pokémon in his party). Additionally, there are speculations that Trip actually isn't that good with battling and the reason he loses in the first round of most tournaments because he's either letting [[SmugSnake his ego]] get to him or he [[TheWorfEffect honestly is that weak]] [[spoiler:and given he loses to Ash in the first round of the Unova League makes it seem like Trip isn't up to snuff like the other rivals.]]
** It might be possible that in "Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden" Ash's Bulbasaur didn't want to evolve because he was worried that it would suddenly become disobedient like Charmander did upon evolving into Charmeleon.
** Pidgeotto is one of very few Pokémon in the anime to follow the games mechanics of becoming compliant to a trainer just from battling and capturing it (not requiring befriending or earning its trust separately) and is mentioned as being exceptionally loyal to Ash. Being a NobleBirdOfPrey, one could attribute him as a SatelliteCharacter who got his bonding offscreen, a remnant of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, or among the Pokémon that [[DefeatEqualsFriendship feels honour-bound to a trainer that bests him]].
** Was James' Victreebel another over-affectionate Pokémon or genuinely just trying to eat its master? [[EpilepticTrees Is he even the same Pokémon as the Weepinbell James originally possessed?]]
** The anime quite deliberately totters between whether the Team Rocket trio are merely a bunch of [[StrawLoser incompetent losers]], or [[CutLexLuthorACheck the most accomplished characters in the series]] concerning nearly any area ''but'' Pikachu-napping.
** Croagunk as a CrazyJealousGuy for Brock; for one thing, there's how their friendship is rated at the same level as that of Ash and Pikachu, even though Croagunk was just recently captured at the time the rating was made...
** The RunningGag of Bianca running in, colliding with Ash, and sending him flying into a conveniently-placed body of water. Is Bianca genuinely clumsy, or is she doing it on purpose so she can have an excuse to see Ash with his shirt off?
** Many, ''many'' people have pointed out that in Episode 5 of the Sun & Moon season, when Harper and Sara ask Lana if Ash is her boyfriend, Lana's first reaction is to '''blush''' and quickly deny it. A lot of people quickly started shipping the two together.
** Likewise, some have interpreted Lillie's interactions with Ash in a similar way, especially her LuminescentBlush from being complimented by him in Episode 8.
** Sometimes, Clemont's eyes get obscured via ScaryShinyGlasses when he tries to reprimand Bonnie on trying to hook him up with a girl, making it look like he's only ''pretending'' to be embarrassed by his sister's antics, and in reality he actually wants to find a girlfriend. And how did he find this logical? He saw [[CluelessChickMagnet Ash]] as an example.
** Is Serena really in love with Ash, or is she love with her [[LovingAShadow idealized image of him]]? If the latter, did it ever change into the former as the series went on?
** Does Miette ''actually'' like Ash, or does she just pretend to as a way of taunting Serena?
** Is Lillie truly a nice and sweet girl with a tragic past doing her best to move forward, in spite of her trauma, and gaining courage to face the future? Or is she an ungrateful spoiled brat that disliked her mother for petty reasons and never formally apologized for her behavior, while never bothering to try to understand and heal from her trauma until other people solved her problems for her?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Ash himself has gone through several phases of characterization DependingOnTheWriter, ranging from rookie to mentor and back again.
*** Some people consider him a "what-not-to-do" avatar for younger Pokémon fans for much of the series, particularly in the original and BW series. Others consider him to be a poor unfortunate soul cursed to wander endlessly without ever realizing it.
*** Ash's personality in Sun and Moon could be due to how one acts on vacation, especially given that he still shows extensive competence in battle.
*** Other fans believe Ash is utterly irresponsible trainer, dumping his Pokémon off at Oak's is especially contentious, especially with fans of said Pokémon. They view Ash's actions as a non-lethal YouHaveFailedMe for not winning the league. Defenders of this policy will, however, point to the issues Ash had when he did not start over his team in Johto (the comparative weakness of the Johto mons), and the additional skills the Pokemon at Oak's ranch learn being a benefit of their stay, such as Noctowl's much improved performance at the Sinnoh League, as well as the general view that Oak's ranch is a much better way of retaining his old Pokemon than the releasing and handing them off for training that Ash was prone to doing in the original series.
AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/{{Pokemon}} It should also be noted that as shares a MerchandiseDriven show, the anime is required to showcase Ash using the newest Pokémon of every generation.
*** Smiling off his [[spoiler: Kalos League loss]] is seen as either a sign of his apathy for his journey, avoiding to show his disappointment after the reprimand his first time in that position (post Indigo) got him, or a sign of maturity after the development he's gone through after several regions and the Ash-Greninja arc.
** Episode 3: Most of Pikachu and Caterpie's conversation consists of them making fun of Ash, and how pathetic he is as an upstart Pokémon trainer.
** Misty's acquisition of Togepi allowed her to tame her earlier feistiness and matured her into someone more nurturing, instead of it being gone entirely.
** Misty isn't a FauxActionGirl, she just didn't have as many opportunities to show her skills due to having a poorly defined goal and Ash being the main character.
** Ritchie as the physical representation of Ash's potential when not weighed down by his negative attributes and the StatusQuoIsGod constraints of a cartoon LongRunner is a popular interpretation of him...usually held by the people who don't [[TheScrappy hate his guts]].
** Cameron could be considered the {{Antithesis}} of Ritchie. A league rival who represents Ash's negative qualities (dopiness and impulsiveness) but ''amplified''.
** Is Charizard a lazy, freeloading, ungrateful jerk or does the lizard see Ash as unworthy to lend his strength, explaining his refusal to listen to Ash unless properly motivated before CharacterDevelopment kicked in.
** Burgundy's interpretation of Cilan may not just be her imagination, as we ''see'' him in battle start toying with her needlessly and actually smiling in an sinister fashion.
** Burgundy herself is thought to be a {{Tsundere}} with some BelligerentSexualTension with Cilan.
** Something about Reggie making Paul's Electabuzz afraid of him is popular for interpretation.
** Is Johanna (Dawn's mom) a [[StageMom pageant mom]], conditioning Dawn into contests and making her succeed so she can live through her achievements, or is she honestly supporting her daughter's interest in contests after having a successful career in the field herself?
** Since not much is known about Trip, it's become a fandom thing to make Trip have {{hidden depths}} that were never touched on in the anime. The most common interpretation is that Trip is secretly {{cute and psycho}} (owing to his insistence on using violent force regardless of the Venipede's potential innocence and sabotaging the peace efforts, and even after [[DefrostingIceQueen dropping the insults and awkwardly befriending Ash]], [[spoiler:he goes quickly from looking upset to face off against Ash so soon into the league to having Serperior strangle Pikachu into unconsciousness while smirking and is even blushing in the freeze frame]]) and is obsessed
page with the occult (given he has two ghost Pokémon in his party). Additionally, there are speculations that Trip actually isn't that good with battling and the reason he loses in the first round of most tournaments because he's either letting [[SmugSnake his ego]] get to him or he [[TheWorfEffect honestly is that weak]] [[spoiler:and given he loses to Ash in the first round rest of the Unova League makes it seem like Trip isn't up to snuff like the other rivals.]]
** It might be possible that in "Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden" Ash's Bulbasaur didn't want to evolve because he was worried that it would suddenly become disobedient like Charmander did upon evolving into Charmeleon.
** Pidgeotto is one of very few Pokémon in the anime to follow the games mechanics of becoming compliant to a trainer just from battling and capturing it (not requiring befriending or earning its trust separately) and is mentioned as being exceptionally loyal to Ash. Being a NobleBirdOfPrey, one could attribute him as a SatelliteCharacter who got his bonding offscreen, a remnant of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, or among the Pokémon that [[DefeatEqualsFriendship feels honour-bound to a trainer that bests him]].
** Was James' Victreebel another over-affectionate Pokémon or genuinely just trying to eat its master? [[EpilepticTrees Is he even the same Pokémon as the Weepinbell James originally possessed?]]
** The anime quite deliberately totters between whether the Team Rocket trio are merely a bunch of [[StrawLoser incompetent losers]], or [[CutLexLuthorACheck the most accomplished characters in the series]] concerning nearly any area ''but'' Pikachu-napping.
** Croagunk as a CrazyJealousGuy for Brock; for one thing, there's how their friendship is rated at the same level as that of Ash and Pikachu, even though Croagunk was just recently captured at the time the rating was made...
** The RunningGag of Bianca running in, colliding with Ash, and sending him flying into a conveniently-placed body of water. Is Bianca genuinely clumsy, or is she doing it on purpose so she can have an excuse to see Ash with his shirt off?
** Many, ''many'' people have pointed out that in Episode 5 of the Sun & Moon season, when Harper and Sara ask Lana if Ash is her boyfriend, Lana's first reaction is to '''blush''' and quickly deny it. A lot of people quickly started shipping the two together.
** Likewise, some have interpreted Lillie's interactions with Ash in a similar way, especially her LuminescentBlush from being complimented by him in Episode 8.
** Sometimes, Clemont's eyes get obscured via ScaryShinyGlasses when he tries to reprimand Bonnie on trying to hook him up with a girl, making it look like he's only ''pretending'' to be embarrassed by his sister's antics, and in reality he actually wants to find a girlfriend. And how did he find this logical? He saw [[CluelessChickMagnet Ash]] as an example.
** Is Serena really in love with Ash, or is she love with her [[LovingAShadow idealized image of him]]? If the latter, did it ever change into the former as the series went on?
** Does Miette ''actually'' like Ash, or does she just pretend to as a way of taunting Serena?
** Is Lillie truly a nice and sweet girl with a tragic past doing her best to move forward, in spite of her trauma, and gaining courage to face the future? Or is she an ungrateful spoiled brat that disliked her mother for petty reasons and never formally apologized for her behavior, while never bothering to try to understand and heal from her trauma until other people solved her problems for her?
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18th Apr '18 3:25:56 PM YoriIroy
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* ShipToShipCombat: [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:History_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_shipping The History of Pokémon Shipping]]. For those who don't feel like clicking on an outbound link, it reads like the Wikipedia article for World War II.

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* ShipToShipCombat: [[http://bulbapedia.[[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:History_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_shipping net/wiki/Shipping:History_of_Pokémon_shipping The History of Pokémon Shipping]]. For those who don't feel like clicking on an outbound link, it reads like the Wikipedia article for World War II.
18th Apr '18 10:41:59 AM Viroro-kun
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** Occasionally trainers will use certain attacks as "counters" against enemy attacks with no justification.
*** Duplica's Ditto in Bulbasaur-morph counters a Razor Leaf from Ash's Bulbasaur by using Vine Whip, for no other reason than the writers say-so. It happens again in ''Pokemon TheMovie'' between Mewtwo's Clone-Venusaur and Corey's Bruteroot.



*** During the early Sinnoh saga, Paul catches an Azumarill to use against Roark. Despite it using the most powerful of Water Moves (barring any SecretArt) against Roark's Geodude, Roark's Geodude somehow "deflects it" with Hidden Power -- using move properties that are never explained -- and then goes on to get in multiple strikes of Rollout before Azumarill can fight back.
17th Apr '18 3:37:41 PM Tavernier
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** At one point in ''Advanced'' saga May had Bulbasaur use a Razor Leaf to divert an incoming Fire Blast. No explanation is given for how this works, as the leaves should burn up due to the fire.

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** Occasionally trainers will use certain attacks as "counters" against enemy attacks with no justification.
*** Duplica's Ditto in Bulbasaur-morph counters a Razor Leaf from Ash's Bulbasaur by using Vine Whip, for no other reason than the writers say-so. It happens again in ''Pokemon TheMovie'' between Mewtwo's Clone-Venusaur and Corey's Bruteroot.
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At one point in the ''Advanced'' saga May had Bulbasaur use a Razor Leaf to divert an incoming Fire Blast. No explanation is given for how this works, as the leaves should burn up due to the fire.
17th Apr '18 3:34:07 PM Tavernier
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*** During the early Sinnoh saga, Paul catches an Azumarill to use against Roark. Despite it using the most powerful of Water Moves (barring any SecretArt) against Roark's Geodude, Roark's Geodude somehow "deflects it" with Hidden Power -- using move properties that are never explained -- and then goes on to get in multiple strikes of Rollout before Azumarill can fight back.



*** The biggest example of this in the dub is Ash suddenly having a herd of ''30 Tauros'' caught off screen, confusing many, many fans. What happened is the episode showing him capturing them was banned before it left Japan because of extensive gun use.

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*** The biggest example of this -- in the dub -- is Ash suddenly having a herd of ''30 Tauros'' caught off screen, confusing many, many fans. What happened is the episode showing him capturing them was banned before it left Japan because of extensive gun use.



*** The move Aerial Ace is drastically different from its game counterpart. Aerial Ace is meant to be a slashing attack that can be learned by pretty much anything with claws but is only used by Flying-types in the anime as a glorified Tackle.
*** The first couple of times Dragon Rage is seen in the anime, it takes the form of a massive cyclone as opposed to in the games, where it is simply fairly weak breath attack. A Dragon-type move that actually takes the form of a twister would later be introduced in Generation II, and Dragon Rage is more accurately depicted from then on.
** The 4Kids and (to a lesser extent) [=TPCI=] dubbing companies are prone to this as well with translation mistakes such as:

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*** The move Aerial Ace is drastically different from its game counterpart. Aerial Ace is meant to be a slashing attack swordfighting technique that can be learned by pretty much anything with claws or talons but is only used by Flying-types in the anime as a glorified Tackle.
*** The first couple of times Dragon Rage is seen in the anime, it takes the form of a massive cyclone as opposed to in the games, where it is simply fairly weak breath attack. A Dragon-type move that [[HilariousInHindsight actually takes the form of a twister twister]] would later be introduced in Generation II, and Dragon Rage is more accurately depicted from then on.
** The 4Kids and (to a lesser extent) [=TPCI=] dubbing companies are prone to compounding this as well with translation mistakes mistakes, such as:
14th Apr '18 3:00:47 PM Aipom-pom
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** While Ed Goldfarb's score in the ''XY'' saga is divisive, his score for the ''Sun & Moon'' saga has some nice standouts, one of the biggest being the solemn piano piece from episode 21 that plays over Ash keeping vigil over the distraught Litten. Said sequence's original Japanese self simply had Shinji Miyazaki's "Meowth's Ballad" playing over it, not quite fitting for such sadness.

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** While Ed Goldfarb's score in the ''XY'' saga is divisive, his score for the ''Sun & Moon'' saga has some nice standouts, one of the biggest being the solemn piano piece from episode 21 that plays over Ash keeping vigil over the distraught Litten. Said sequence's original Japanese self simply had Shinji Miyazaki's "Meowth's Ballad" playing over it, not quite fitting for such sadness.sadness.
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13th Apr '18 4:16:53 PM Chasem
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** ''Pokémon'' is an interesting variation; at the time the series first went international, lack of development of the Internet made the raw Japanese versions of anime and comparisons with the dub (let alone {{Fansub}}s) not as easy to access in the West as they are now. So many fans [[IgnoranceIsBliss were not aware of any differences between the Japanese version of the anime and dubbed version]]. But then early 2000 (mid-Orange Islands) Dogasu's Backpack launched, whose biggest feature is an easy-to-use Japanese-to-dub comparison for Pokémon, basically "Yu-Gi-Oh Uncensored: Pokémon Edition". Within a few years, Creator/FourKidsEntertainment's banning and censorship of episodes like ''Beauty and the Beach'', music replacement, and radical editing of ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' became common knowledge. Still, many still preferred the dub, and the otherwise-criticized [=4Kids=] [[SacredCow still gets a pass on Pokémon]], mostly because of the fact that it was actually one of their most faithful adaptations. So while the main series doesn't suffer much for it, a few episodes and movies have it quite bad - such as the first movie, with fans' perception of Mewtwo and the movie itself being affected by [=4Kids'=] changes, and the dub getting a dismal rating on Website/RottenTomatoes. Possibly [[JustifiedTrope justified]] due to [=4Kids'=] Michael Haigney [[http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/kanto/ep011.html admitting his]] cluelessness in regards to the series and [=4Kids'=] dub in general being aimed at a narrower demographic than Shudo intended; also, contrary to popular belief, the early Japanese dub ''did'' contain a bit more ParentalBonus humor, though not enough to make for a completely different series. Still, Dogasu's Backpack has made many fans go off to the Japanese version, and when [=TPCI=] took over, the dub became more of an [[AcceptableTargets Acceptable Target]] for criticism and many Western fans now watch the {{Fansub}}s, especially since ''XY'' when the music replacement got more prominent than it ever was before under 4Kids. As a result anime exclusive characters and even some of those from the games are referred by their Japanese names, even when they have official names in English.

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** ''Pokémon'' is an interesting variation; at the time the series first went international, lack of development of the Internet made the raw Japanese versions of anime and comparisons with the dub (let alone {{Fansub}}s) not as easy to access in the West as they are now. So many fans [[IgnoranceIsBliss were not aware of any differences between the Japanese version of the anime and dubbed version]]. But then early 2000 (mid-Orange Islands) Dogasu's Backpack launched, whose biggest feature is an easy-to-use Japanese-to-dub comparison for Pokémon, basically "Yu-Gi-Oh Uncensored: Pokémon Edition". Within a few years, Creator/FourKidsEntertainment's banning and censorship of episodes like ''Beauty and the Beach'', music replacement, and radical editing of ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' became common knowledge. Still, many still preferred the dub, and the otherwise-criticized [=4Kids=] [[SacredCow still gets a pass on Pokémon]], mostly because of the fact that it was actually one of their most faithful adaptations. So while the main series doesn't suffer much for it, a few episodes and movies have it quite bad - such as the first movie, with fans' perception of Mewtwo and the movie itself being affected by [=4Kids'=] changes, and the dub getting a dismal rating on Website/RottenTomatoes. Possibly [[JustifiedTrope justified]] due to [=4Kids'=] Michael Haigney [[http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/kanto/ep011.html admitting his]] cluelessness in regards to the series and [=4Kids'=] dub in general being aimed at a narrower demographic than Shudo intended; also, contrary to popular belief, the early Japanese dub ''did'' contain a bit more ParentalBonus humor, though not enough to make for a completely different series. Still, Dogasu's Backpack has made many fans go off to the Japanese version, and when [=TPCI=] took over, the dub became more of an [[AcceptableTargets Acceptable Target]] for criticism and many Western fans now watch the {{Fansub}}s, especially since ''XY'' when the music replacement got more prominent than it ever was before under 4Kids. As a result anime exclusive characters and even some of those from the games are referred by their Japanese names, even when they have official names in English. It doesn't help that, unlike with its contemporaries ''Manga/DragonBallZ'' and ''Manga/SailorMoon'', ''Pokémon'' has ''not'' released an official Japanese subtitled or uncensored English dubbed version to appease older nostalgic fans, and is regarded as antiquated and out-of-touch in that respect.
11th Apr '18 9:16:12 PM Epicocity
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* DesignatedMonkey: Ash in the ''Sun & Moon'' series is seen as this for some people. While past series did give him some ButtMonkey qualities, the comedic and slapstick tone of Alola means that he ends up receiving far more comedic abuse than even his co-protagonists, such as in episodes like the Ride Stoutland (where his Stoutland ate his pants while the others were all serious) or the Pokemon Center episode (where Ash is forced to crossdress while Kiawe and Sophocles are not for seemingly no reason other than humor). Given that Ash is still the usual NiceGuy he's always been for the most part in SM and rarely deserves such punishment, treating him like a punching bag feels undeserved for a part of the audience. Downplayed since, compared to some previous instalments such as Kanto and Unova, he is treated respectfully by the supporting cast (most of the time) and gets a lion's share of team switch ups and achievements to ThrowTheDogABone, he just isn't very lucky at all in terms of incidental roles.

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* DesignatedMonkey: Ash in the ''Sun & Moon'' series is seen as this for some people. While past series did give him some ButtMonkey qualities, the comedic and slapstick tone of Alola means that he ends up receiving far more comedic abuse than even his co-protagonists, such as in episodes like the Ride Stoutland (where his Stoutland ate his pants while the others were all serious) or the Pokemon Center episode (where Ash is forced to crossdress while Kiawe and Sophocles are not for seemingly no reason other than humor). Given that Ash is still the usual NiceGuy he's always been for the most part in SM and rarely deserves such punishment, treating him like a punching bag feels undeserved for a part of the audience. Downplayed since, compared to some previous instalments such as Kanto and Unova, he is treated respectfully by the supporting cast (most of the time) and gets a lion's share of team switch ups and achievements to ThrowTheDogABone, he just isn't very lucky at all in terms of incidental roles.
11th Apr '18 5:47:36 PM Psi001
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* DesignatedMonkey: Ash in the ''Sun & Moon'' series is seen as this for some people. While past series did give him some ButtMonkey qualities, the comedic and slapstick tone of Alola means that he ends up receiving far more comedic abuse than even his co-protagonists, such as in episodes like the Ride Stoutland (where his Stoutland ate his pants while the others were all serious) or the Pokemon Center episode (where Ash is forced to crossdress while Kiawe and Sophocles are not for seemingly no reason other than humor). Given that Ash is still the usual NiceGuy he's always been for the most part in SM and rarely deserves such punishment, treating him like a punching bag feels undeserved for a part of the audience.

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* DesignatedMonkey: Ash in the ''Sun & Moon'' series is seen as this for some people. While past series did give him some ButtMonkey qualities, the comedic and slapstick tone of Alola means that he ends up receiving far more comedic abuse than even his co-protagonists, such as in episodes like the Ride Stoutland (where his Stoutland ate his pants while the others were all serious) or the Pokemon Center episode (where Ash is forced to crossdress while Kiawe and Sophocles are not for seemingly no reason other than humor). Given that Ash is still the usual NiceGuy he's always been for the most part in SM and rarely deserves such punishment, treating him like a punching bag feels undeserved for a part of the audience. Downplayed since, compared to some previous instalments such as Kanto and Unova, he is treated respectfully by the supporting cast (most of the time) and gets a lion's share of team switch ups and achievements to ThrowTheDogABone, he just isn't very lucky at all in terms of incidental roles.
9th Apr '18 9:16:36 AM Epicocity
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** Ash's Charizard was repeatedly trashed, demeaned, and outshone during the episode featuring the Charicific Valley, in order to justify Ash leaving it behind.

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** Ash's Charizard was repeatedly trashed, demeaned, and outshone during the episode featuring the Charicific Valley, in order to justify Ash leaving it behind. However, it should be noted that unlike most examples, Charizard is still seen as one of Ash's strongest, coming back after that moment to not only defeat Clair, Gary and injure Harrison's Blaziken, but also becoming the first of Ash's team to defeat a Legendary.
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