History YMMV / PlanetOfTheApes

1st Dec '15 3:57:05 PM Silverblade2
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* BrokenBase[=/=]BaseBreaker: The timeline debates - was it an endless loop, or did history change?

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* BrokenBase[=/=]BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: The timeline debates - was it an endless loop, or did history change?
8th Jun '15 9:22:23 PM Cindylover1969
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: It was much more successful in Britain than at home (although it took until the '90s for the series to get a network screening - in its initial run and repeats thereafter it was shown in every {{ITV}} region except STV (Scottish Television, in Central Scotland); ChannelFour gave it its first UK-wide airing in the mid-90s, and both the series ''and'' the [[CompilationMovie Compilation Movies]] regularly turn up on cable TV).



** Partially explainable by the SchizoTech invoked due to the ScienceIsBad beliefs of the orang-outangs -- for example, in "The Surgeon" (the above-mentioned episode featuring surgeons in surgical masks), the apes haven't identified basic blood types and Galen is able to fake being a doctor by seriously discussing the medicinal qualities of bleeding patients with leeches. Plus, "apeworld" is provincal; out in the boonies, things are a lot simpler, while closer to Capital City technology tends to be higher.

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** Partially explainable by the SchizoTech invoked due to the ScienceIsBad beliefs of the orang-outangs -- for example, in "The Surgeon" (the above-mentioned episode featuring surgeons in surgical masks), the apes haven't identified basic blood types and Galen is able to fake being a doctor by seriously discussing the medicinal qualities of bleeding patients with leeches. Plus, "apeworld" is provincal; provincial; out in the boonies, things are a lot simpler, while closer to Capital City technology tends to be higher.
26th Feb '15 4:08:06 AM ApeAccount
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** Also, it should be noted that in "The Surgeon" the time we saw the apes wearing masks was a surgery arranged by our heroes, who had knowledge of surgical masks, and were using a human medical text. In addition, when a surgeon from the hospital wanted to join them Galen had to ask if he minded wearing a mask to which he claimed he "found very useful in protecting us from the vapours". So it would seem that normally ape surgeons didn't wear masks.
19th Oct '14 5:38:15 AM Morgenthaler
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Works in this franchise with their own YMMV pages:

* ''YMMV/PlanetOfTheApes1968''
* ''YMMV/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes''
* ''YMMV/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes''
* ''YMMV/ConquestOfThePlanetOfTheApes''
* ''YMMV/BattleForThePlanetOfTheApes''
* ''YMMV/PlanetOfTheApes2001''
* ''YMMV/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes''
* ''YMMV/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes''



* AdaptationDisplacement: The original book by Pierre Boulle.
* {{Anvilicious}}: The television show. Each episode has a moral of the week, although SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: The original book by Pierre Boulle.
* {{Anvilicious}}: The television show. Each episode has a moral of the week, although SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.
!!The Franchise in general:



* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: "Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ''ape!''"
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: JerryGoldsmith's great score, especially the track "The Hunt".



* FridgeLogic:
** ''Planet of the Apes 2001'': Nothing explains how the horses came to the planet in the 2001 remake.
*** Or, for that matter, how the ape population grew as large as it did when there are relatively few apes [[spoiler: on Leo's ship.]] However, it's implied [[spoiler:from the ship's log that the surviving scientists used genetic manipulation to make the apes what they became in the film. It's possible they increased the breeding process as well]].
**** Even that wouldn't account for [[spoiler: the presence of gorillas and orangutans, which are substantially larger than chimps and thus, a ''very'' poor choice for a space mission where food, water, oxygen and living space are all at a premium. Not to mention that sending apes to space is already {{Zeerust}}, as [=NASA=] quite using non-human primates as soon as they were sure it was feasible to bring ''humans'' back safely.]]
** ''Planet Of the Apes 1968'': The chronometer showing Earth time is still working after the rest of the ship's power fails (in plot terms, Taylor has to see it immediately before he leaves the ship).
** ''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'': The humans learn that in the future, apes will talk and treat humans like animals. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]]. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?
*** No, because the origin story they told (of an ape slave who one day said to humans what had been said to him a thousand times over - "no") is different from what came to be after they traveled back in time - their son Milo/Caesar became the [[MessianicArchetype savior of the apes]] instead.
*** Probably not. Other chimps evolve by the time of the next film, after all.
*** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:who becomes Caesar in that next film]] [[spoiler:loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
*** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Roddy [=McDowall=] (Cornelius) was reluctant to take the part, because he was worried that no-one would recognize him under all that make-up. Instead, he became the only actor to appear in all the sequels[[note]]though only in archive footage in ''Beneath'' as he was busy[[/note]] and TV series, and (unfortunately) is all most people remember him for.
* HellIsThatNoise: In the TV series, hoofbeats, as that can only mean that gorilla soldiers are approaching.
* HilariousInHindsight: Seeing the future NRA president heft a shotgun and declare "I'm pretty handy with this!"
* InternetBackdraft: Just try saying you like the remake on an 'Apes' forum.
* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:The "Planet Of The Apes" was really EarthAllAlong, following nuclear war.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: For the apes, [[spoiler: Aldo killing Cornelius is seen as this. Only Caesar seems particularly upset after Aldo dies]].
* MemeticMutation: '''YOU''' '''''MANIACS!''''' '''YOU BLEW IT UP!!!'''

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* FridgeLogic:
MemeticMutation:
** ''Planet of the Apes 2001'': Nothing explains how the horses came to the planet in the 2001 remake.
*** Or, for that matter, how the ape population grew as large as it did when there are relatively few apes [[spoiler: on Leo's ship.]] However, it's implied [[spoiler:from the ship's log that the surviving scientists used genetic manipulation to make the apes what they became in the film. It's possible they increased the breeding process as well]].
**** Even that wouldn't account for [[spoiler: the presence of gorillas and orangutans, which are substantially larger than chimps and thus, a ''very'' poor choice for a space mission where food, water, oxygen and living space are all at a premium. Not to mention that sending apes to space is already {{Zeerust}}, as [=NASA=] quite using non-human primates as soon as they were sure it was feasible to bring ''humans'' back safely.]]
** ''Planet Of the Apes 1968'': The chronometer showing Earth time is still working after the rest of the ship's power fails (in plot terms, Taylor has to see it immediately before he leaves the ship).
** ''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'': The humans learn that in the future, apes will talk and treat humans like animals. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]]. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?
*** No, because the origin story they told (of an ape slave who one day said to humans what had been said to him a thousand times over - "no") is different from what came to be after they traveled back in time - their son Milo/Caesar became the [[MessianicArchetype savior of the apes]] instead.
*** Probably not. Other chimps evolve by the time of the next film, after all.
*** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:who becomes Caesar in that next film]] [[spoiler:loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
*** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Roddy [=McDowall=] (Cornelius) was reluctant to take the part, because he was worried that no-one would recognize him under all that make-up. Instead, he became the only actor to appear in all the sequels[[note]]though only in archive footage in ''Beneath'' as he was busy[[/note]] and TV series, and (unfortunately) is all most people remember him for.
* HellIsThatNoise: In the TV series, hoofbeats, as that can only mean that gorilla soldiers are approaching.
* HilariousInHindsight: Seeing the future NRA president heft a shotgun and declare "I'm pretty handy with this!"
* InternetBackdraft: Just try saying you like the remake on an 'Apes' forum.
* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:The "Planet Of The Apes" was really EarthAllAlong, following nuclear war.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: For the apes, [[spoiler: Aldo killing Cornelius is seen as this. Only Caesar seems particularly upset after Aldo dies]].
* MemeticMutation:
'''YOU''' '''''MANIACS!''''' '''YOU BLEW IT UP!!!'''



* {{Narm}}[=/=]NarmCharm: "You MANIACS! You BLEW IT UP!"
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2BGsqtY1o0 HAW HAW HAW HAW]]. In context, it makes sense, but ''that laugh...''
* NightmareFuel: The scene where Landon is shown to have been lobotomized.



* RootingForTheEmpire: You actually want the apes to take over in ''Conquest of the Planet of the Apes''. Especially after Armando's suicide.
* ShockingSwerve: The ending of the 2001 film, where [[spoiler:Lincoln's Memorial is one of Thade, and apes rule the Earth in the present day...somehow.]] Helena Bonham Carter has said she pointed out to Tim Burton that the ending made no sense after reading the script, to which he grinned and said, "I know, isn't it great?"
* SpecialEffectFailure:
** All the budget for ape prosthetics in ''Beneath'' clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes.
** [[spoiler: Milo repeatedly saying "Mama!"]] at the end of ''Escape'' is very obviously a short clip of a chimpanzee being played forwards and backwards repeatedly, and can serve as a source of {{Narm}} for an otherwise tragic scene.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Dr. Zaius's [[ScienceIsBad anti-scientific]], [[LuddWasRight technophobic]] and [[FantasticRacism anti-human]] worldview doesn't seem so crazy when Taylor uses a human-built bomb to ''blow up the entire planet'' at the end.
** It can be argued that Taylor blew up the entire planet because of Zaius' hypocritical viewpoint that humans are violent... just as [[NotSoDifferent an army of apes shoot Brent]].
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cornelius and Zira's deaths. The most likeable, ''human'' characters in the entire series]].

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!!The Novel:

* RootingForTheEmpire: You actually want the apes to take over in ''Conquest AdaptationDisplacement: The original book by Pierre Boulle.

!!The TV Series:

* {{Anvilicious}}: The television show. Each episode has a moral
of the Planet of week, although SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.
* HellIsThatNoise: In
the Apes''. Especially after Armando's suicide.
* ShockingSwerve: The ending of the 2001 film, where [[spoiler:Lincoln's Memorial is one of Thade, and apes rule the Earth in the present day...somehow.]] Helena Bonham Carter has said she pointed out to Tim Burton
TV series, hoofbeats, as that the ending made no sense after reading the script, to which he grinned and said, "I know, isn't it great?"
* SpecialEffectFailure:
** All the budget for ape prosthetics in ''Beneath'' clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes.
** [[spoiler: Milo repeatedly saying "Mama!"]] at the end of ''Escape'' is very obviously a short clip of a chimpanzee being played forwards and backwards repeatedly, and
can serve as a source of {{Narm}} for an otherwise tragic scene.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Dr. Zaius's [[ScienceIsBad anti-scientific]], [[LuddWasRight technophobic]] and [[FantasticRacism anti-human]] worldview doesn't seem so crazy when Taylor uses a human-built bomb to ''blow up the entire planet'' at the end.
** It can be argued
only mean that Taylor blew up the entire planet because of Zaius' hypocritical viewpoint that humans gorilla soldiers are violent... just as [[NotSoDifferent an army of apes shoot Brent]].
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cornelius and Zira's deaths. The most likeable, ''human'' characters in the entire series]].
approaching.
6th Aug '14 9:35:23 AM Eegah
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* ShockingSwerve: The ending of the 2001 film, where [[spoiler:Lincoln's Memorial is one of Thade, and apes rule the Earth in the present day...somedhow.]] Helena Bonham Carter has said she pointed out to Tim Burton that the ending made no sense after reading the script, to which he grinned and said, "I know, isn't it great?"

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* ShockingSwerve: The ending of the 2001 film, where [[spoiler:Lincoln's Memorial is one of Thade, and apes rule the Earth in the present day...somedhow.somehow.]] Helena Bonham Carter has said she pointed out to Tim Burton that the ending made no sense after reading the script, to which he grinned and said, "I know, isn't it great?"
6th Aug '14 9:35:00 AM Eegah
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* ShockingSwerve: The ending of the 2001 film, where [[spoiler:Lincoln's Memorial is one of Thade, and apes rule the Earth in the present day...somedhow.]] Helena Bonham Carter has said she pointed out to Tim Burton that the ending made no sense after reading the script, to which he grinned and said, "I know, isn't it great?"
19th Jul '14 11:14:29 AM SonOfFalstaff2
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Ricardo Montalban's character in the third and fifth films.
8th Jun '14 3:07:44 PM OlfinBedwere
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* SpecialEffectFailure: [[spoiler: Milo repeatedly saying "Mama!"]] at the end of ''Escape'' is very obviously a short clip of a chimpanzee being played forwards and backwards repeatedly, and can serve as a source of {{Narm}} for an otherwise tragic scene.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: SpecialEffectFailure:
** All the budget for ape prosthetics in ''Beneath'' clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes.
**
[[spoiler: Milo repeatedly saying "Mama!"]] at the end of ''Escape'' is very obviously a short clip of a chimpanzee being played forwards and backwards repeatedly, and can serve as a source of {{Narm}} for an otherwise tragic scene.
29th Apr '14 12:01:54 PM SharleeD
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**** Even that wouldn't account for [[spoiler: the presence of gorillas and orangutans, which are substantially larger than chimps and thus, a ''very'' poor choice for a space mission where food, water, oxygen and living space are all at a premium.]]

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**** Even that wouldn't account for [[spoiler: the presence of gorillas and orangutans, which are substantially larger than chimps and thus, a ''very'' poor choice for a space mission where food, water, oxygen and living space are all at a premium. Not to mention that sending apes to space is already {{Zeerust}}, as [=NASA=] quite using non-human primates as soon as they were sure it was feasible to bring ''humans'' back safely.]]
29th Apr '14 11:59:11 AM SharleeD
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**** Even that wouldn't account for [[spoiler: the presence of gorillas and orangutans, which are substantially larger than chimps and thus, a ''very'' poor choice for a space mission where food, water, oxygen and living space are all at a premium.]]
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