History YMMV / Octopussy

17th Nov '16 9:57:42 AM TheTrailblazerCritic
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* Tearjerker: The death of 009, where we see him desperately running for his life only to succumb to a knife in his back the moment he he reaches his countrymen in West Berlin; his untimely death looms over Bond as he gives chase to his killers.
** Vijay's death; It's one of those few times where Bond is profoundly affected by the death of an ally, respectfully covering his mutilated body. Especially gutwrenching considering what a nice guy he was.
25th Sep '16 6:31:47 PM JamesAustin
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* HilariousInHindsight: The first climax involves Bond successfully deactivating a nuclear bomb - something he couldn't do almost 20 years earlier in the climax of ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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The first climax involves Bond successfully deactivating a nuclear bomb - something he couldn't do almost 20 years earlier in the climax of ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}''.



* UnfortunateImplications: Bond in India is never going to end well. It still does a lot better than ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'', but it's still uncomfortably neo-colonialist, especially Bond's remark, after tipping an Indian driver, "that'll keep him in curry for a while!" It's treatment of women - never a Bond series strong point - is poor, and the not-so-subtle implication of Stephen Berkoff's mad Soviet general is that nuclear disarmament and peacenikery are doomed to failure because Reds are evil. [[http://permanentplastichelmet.com/2012/01/17/blogalongabond-octopussy-an-all-time-low/ See here.]]
** That last point is extremely debatable, given that every other General on the council besides Orlov wants peace with the West and thinks that Orlov is nuts.
* VindicatedByCable: Lived a short life in theaters to disparaging reviews. However, like many films of TheEighties, {{HBO}} was very good to it.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Bond in India is never going to end well. It still does a lot better than ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'', but it's still uncomfortably neo-colonialist, especially Bond's remark, after tipping an Indian driver, "that'll keep him in curry for a while!" It's and it's treatment of women - never a Bond series strong point - is poor, and the not-so-subtle implication of Stephen Berkoff's mad Soviet general is that nuclear disarmament and peacenikery are doomed to failure because Reds are evil.poor. [[http://permanentplastichelmet.com/2012/01/17/blogalongabond-octopussy-an-all-time-low/ See here.]]
** That last point is extremely debatable, given that every other General on the council besides Orlov wants peace with the West and thinks that Orlov is nuts.
* VindicatedByCable: Lived a short life in theaters to disparaging reviews. However, like many films of TheEighties, {{HBO}} Creator/{{HBO}} was very good to it.



** Orlov smashes the ''real'' Fabergé egg. Yikes.

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** Orlov smashes the ''real'' Fabergé egg. Yikes. Kamal Khan even looks horrified, realizing this.
25th Sep '16 4:04:14 PM erforce
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Goes without saying in a ''Bond'' movie, but "All Time High" by Rita Coolidge is a classic song that holds its own, with lyrics by Creator/TimRice.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Goes without saying in a Bond movie.
** "All Time High" by Rita Coolidge is a classic song that holds its own, with lyrics by Creator/TimRice.



** SoOkayItsAverage: Generally has a reputation as the most typical Bond movie.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: In the intro, as the plane flies through the building, you can see a white pole holding it up at least once. No freeze-framing required if you know [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VlBUPtKIoHo#t=100 when to look]]. It was much too dangerous to have the plane really flying through a building with people inside, and too expensive to paint out the pole. It's also a bit awesome to realize that they took a real jet plane through a building even if it wasn't flying.

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** * SoOkayItsAverage: Generally has a reputation as the most typical Bond ''Bond'' movie.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: SpecialEffectsFailure:
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In the intro, as the plane flies through the building, you can see a white pole holding it up at least once. No freeze-framing required if you know [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VlBUPtKIoHo#t=100 when to look]]. It was much too dangerous to have the plane really flying through a building with people inside, and too expensive to paint out the pole. It's also a bit awesome to realize that they took a real jet plane through a building even if it wasn't flying.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Octopussy was built up to be quite a formidable woman with her own empire, but the few times she engages in the action she gets beaten rather easily. Kind of a shame considering that actress Maud Adams actually did have good chemistry with Creator/RogerMoore.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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Octopussy was built up to be quite a formidable woman with her own empire, but the few times she engages in the action she gets beaten rather easily. Kind of a shame considering that actress Maud Adams actually did have good chemistry with Creator/RogerMoore.
** The movie doesn't get as much mileage from the villain with the chainsaw-yoyo as it could.
18th Sep '16 4:37:03 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* HilariousInHindsight: The first climax involves Bond successfully deactivating a nuclear bomb - something he couldn't do almost 20 years earlier in the climax of ''Goldfinger''.
** Kabir Bedi, who plays the evil henchman Gobinda, also appeared in the low budget horror film ''Satan's Mistress'' around this same time with former Bond girl Lana Wood (Plenty O'Toole from ''Diamonds Are Forever'').

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* HilariousInHindsight: The first climax involves Bond successfully deactivating a nuclear bomb - something he couldn't do almost 20 years earlier in the climax of ''Goldfinger''.''Film/{{Goldfinger}}''.
** Kabir Bedi, who plays the evil henchman Gobinda, also appeared in the low budget horror film ''Satan's Mistress'' around this same time with former Bond girl Lana Wood (Plenty O'Toole from ''Diamonds Are Forever'').''Film/DiamondsAreForever'').
18th Sep '16 4:35:13 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* HeReallyCanAct: The scene where Bond confronts Orlov is probably Creator/RogerMoore's best moment as Bond and proof that he could play the part seriously if the occasion called for it.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Octopussy was built up to be quite a formidable woman with her own empire, but the few times she engages in the action she gets beaten rather easily. Kind of a shame considering that actress Maud Adams actually did have good chemistry with Roger Moore.
* UnfortunateImplications: Bond in India is never going to end well. Octopussy still does a lot better than ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'', but it's still uncomfortably neo-colonialist, especially Bond's remark, after tipping an Indian driver, "that'll keep him in curry for a while!" It's treatment of women - never a Bond series strong point - is poor, and the not-so-subtle implication of Stephen Berkoff's mad Soviet general is that nuclear disarmament and peacenikery are doomed to failure because Reds are evil. [[http://permanentplastichelmet.com/2012/01/17/blogalongabond-octopussy-an-all-time-low/ See here.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Octopussy was built up to be quite a formidable woman with her own empire, but the few times she engages in the action she gets beaten rather easily. Kind of a shame considering that actress Maud Adams actually did have good chemistry with Roger Moore.Creator/RogerMoore.
* UnfortunateImplications: Bond in India is never going to end well. Octopussy It still does a lot better than ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'', but it's still uncomfortably neo-colonialist, especially Bond's remark, after tipping an Indian driver, "that'll keep him in curry for a while!" It's treatment of women - never a Bond series strong point - is poor, and the not-so-subtle implication of Stephen Berkoff's mad Soviet general is that nuclear disarmament and peacenikery are doomed to failure because Reds are evil. [[http://permanentplastichelmet.com/2012/01/17/blogalongabond-octopussy-an-all-time-low/ See here.]]
11th Aug '16 11:35:27 AM PrimeEvil
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** At one point, one of Kamal's henchmen gets speared on a bed of nails. Problem: The scene in question is a whacking great close-up, and the rubber nails ''visibly bend'' under his weight.
29th Jul '16 12:08:56 PM AnotherGuy
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** "All Time High" by Rita Coolidge is a classic song that holds its own.

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** "All Time High" by Rita Coolidge is a classic song that holds its own.own, with lyrics by Creator/TimRice.
3rd Jul '16 1:39:57 AM gjjones
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** Bond, you could attract less attention to the men who are hunting you by skipping the Tarzan yell.
* YouLookFamiliar: Maud Adams played Andrea Anders in ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''.

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** Bond, you could attract less attention to the men who are hunting you by skipping the Tarzan yell.
* YouLookFamiliar: Maud Adams played Andrea Anders in ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''.
yell.
3rd Jul '16 1:39:33 AM gjjones
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** Bond, you could attract less attention to the men who are hunting you by skipping the Tarzan yell.

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** Bond, you could attract less attention to the men who are hunting you by skipping the Tarzan yell.yell.
* YouLookFamiliar: Maud Adams played Andrea Anders in ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''.
29th Jan '16 11:38:42 AM AnotherGuy
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* VindicatedByCable: Lived a short life in theaters to disparaging reviews. However, like many films of TheEighties, {{HBO}} was very good to it.
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