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** Similarly, the fact that [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Ahsoka Tano]] doesn't appear or get mentioned at all -- in the present or flashbacks -- feels like a missed opportunity for more delving into Obi-Wan and Vader's emotions about the War and their failures.



** There are some who consider young Leia to be far too similar to her older snarky and seasoned self. As such they believe Leia should have startled off as a far more naïve, pampered, and juvenile child; perhaps even one who has some pro-empire sentiment due to being oblivious or too young to understand its evil nature. This would have given Leia far more room to grow and change as she discovers the true horrors of the Empire and learns how to fend herself in a hostile galaxy when she cannot depend on her adopted parents. In short, this could have been the origin story for how Leia became the rebellious princess we all know and love; instead she starts the story as a rebellious princess and ends the story as a rebellious princess.
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** The choice to have Vader and Obi-Wan have a rematch between ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and ''Film/ANewHope'' proved to be very divisive amongst viewers. For many it was the [[JustHereForGodzilla whole reason they wanted to watch the show]] (which {{Creator/Lucasfilm}} seemed to be keenly aware of, given it was one of the first things they announced about the show). The duel itself would be praised by this camp for providing the right balance of the OT's realism and PT's spectacle, with an emotionally moving conclusion, that strengthens the connection between both trilogies. Detractors however feel that the idea of Obi-Wan and Vader battling each other between the two trilogies is a contrived case of PanderingToTheBase which opens up too many continuity issues. These fans note dialogue in ''A New Hope'' heavily implies that the duel on the Death Star was the first time was the first time the two had encountered each other since their fight on Mustafar (particularly, Vader saying "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master"[[note]]This line was already contradicted by the Prequel Trilogy since Anakin was not a Padawan learner, but a Jedi Knight when he turned to the Dark Side[[/note]]), feeling that having a duel in the intermedium diminishes the emotional impact of both of their duels within the film series. Conversely, there are others who feel that having these duels, which show Vader initially filled with rage and anger, before later deciding to distance himself from his emotions, helps smooth over some FridgeLogic raised by people after the release of ''Revenge of the Sith'', who questioned why, given that that film's duel had Obi-Wan cripple him and leave him for dead while burning alive, Vader would be so calm and composed in ''A New Hope'' upon meeting Obi-Wan for the first time since that happened. Likewise, Obi-Wan in ''Film/ANewHope'' doesn't react much to his former apprentice now being a 6'8" black-clad cyborg, while Obi-Wan in this show is shown to be shocked and terrified of Vader at first. Some detractors also argue that the duel itself was underwhelming, [[FightSceneFailure noting that its poor lighting and certain camera angles makes it difficult to discern what's happening at times]].

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** The choice to have Vader and Obi-Wan have a rematch between ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and ''Film/ANewHope'' proved to be very divisive amongst viewers. For many it was the [[JustHereForGodzilla whole reason they wanted to watch the show]] (which {{Creator/Lucasfilm}} seemed to be keenly aware of, given it was one of the first things they announced about the show). The duel itself would be praised by this camp for providing the right balance of the OT's realism and PT's spectacle, with an emotionally moving conclusion, that strengthens the connection between both trilogies. Detractors however feel that the idea of Obi-Wan and Vader battling each other between the two trilogies is a contrived case of PanderingToTheBase which opens up too many continuity issues. These fans note dialogue in ''A New Hope'' heavily implies that the duel on the Death Star was the first time was the first time the two had encountered each other since their fight on Mustafar (particularly, Vader saying "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master"[[note]]This line was already contradicted by the Prequel Trilogy since Anakin was not a Padawan learner, but a Jedi Knight when he turned to the Dark Side[[/note]]), feeling that having a duel in the intermedium diminishes the emotional impact of both of their duels within the film series. Conversely, there are others who feel that having these duels, which show Vader initially filled with rage and anger, before later deciding to distance himself from his emotions, helps smooth over some FridgeLogic raised by people after the release of ''Revenge of the Sith'', who questioned why, given that that film's duel had Obi-Wan cripple him and leave him for dead while burning alive, Vader would be so calm and composed in ''A New Hope'' upon meeting Obi-Wan for the first time since that happened. Likewise, Obi-Wan in ''Film/ANewHope'' doesn't react much to his former apprentice now being a 6'8" black-clad cyborg, while Obi-Wan in this show is shown to be shocked and terrified of Vader at first. Some detractors also argue that the duel itself was underwhelming, [[FightSceneFailure noting that its poor lighting and certain camera angles makes it difficult to discern what's happening at times]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Inquisitors, outside of Reva, were considered underutilized by many. The Grand Inquisitor, while scene-stealing when he does appear, is absent from much of the story due to being [[spoiler:stabbed by Reva]]. The Fifth Brother gets a bit more development than he did in ''Rebels'', but he's still mostly a FlatCharacter. The Fourth Sister is more or less a LivingProp. None of the inquisitors even get to fight Obi-Wan.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Inquisitors, outside of Reva, were considered underutilized by many. The Grand Inquisitor, while scene-stealing when he does appear, is absent from much of the story due to being [[spoiler:stabbed by Reva]]. The Fifth Brother gets a bit more development than he did in ''Rebels'', but he's still mostly a FlatCharacter. The Fourth Sister is more or less a LivingProp.LivingProp, though she would get an expanded role in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTalesOfTheEmpire''. None of the inquisitors even get to fight Obi-Wan.



** The names of many other ''Legends'' Jedi who made relatively few appearances before the Disney buyout and had yet to appear since the Disney buyout are written in Aurebesh on the walls of the Path safe house and are visible in either the episodes or production stills. Specifically, Qu Rahn (who becomes a SpiritAdvisor to the protagonist of the ''VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga'' after being killed by an Inquisitor), Nichos Marr (who survives long enough to join Luke's new Jedi Order, as detailed in ''Children of the Jedi''), Roganda Ismaren (who is the FallenHero BigBad of ''Children of the Jedi''), Djinn Altis (who is mentioned in all three books of ''Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy'' and appears in a few Clone Wars-era books), the trio of Drake Lo'gaan, Ekria, and Zonder (from ''Webcomic/EvasiveAction''), Rahm Kota (from ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed''), Corwin Shelvay, Fable Astin, and Drun Cairnwick (who originate from sourcebooks and short stories for the 1990s roleplaying game)[[note]] Shelvay and Astin are not actual Order 66 survivors: Shelvay is a man who was recruited as an apprentice by one surviving Jedi and Fable is the daughter of another[[/note]], and Tiberius Anderlock (from the [=MMORPG=] ''Jump to Lightspeed'').

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** The names of many other ''Legends'' Jedi who made relatively few appearances before the Disney buyout and had yet to appear since the Disney buyout are written in Aurebesh on the walls of the Path safe house and are visible in either the episodes or production stills. Specifically, Qu Rahn (who becomes a SpiritAdvisor to the protagonist of the ''VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga'' after being killed by an Inquisitor), Nichos Marr (who survives long enough to join Luke's new Jedi Order, as detailed in ''Children of the Jedi''), Roganda Ismaren (who is the FallenHero BigBad of ''Children of the Jedi''), Djinn Altis (who is mentioned in all three books of ''Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy'' and appears in a few Clone Wars-era books), the trio of Drake Lo'gaan, Ekria, and Zonder (from ''Webcomic/EvasiveAction''), ''Webcomic/EvasiveAction'')[[note]]Zonder being Barriss Offee's Padawan in the Legends continuity[[/note]], Rahm Kota (from ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed''), Corwin Shelvay, Fable Astin, and Drun Cairnwick (who originate from sourcebooks and short stories for the 1990s roleplaying game)[[note]] Shelvay game)[[note]]Shelvay and Astin are not actual Order 66 survivors: Shelvay is a man who was recruited as an apprentice by one surviving Jedi and Fable is the daughter of another[[/note]], and Tiberius Anderlock (from the [=MMORPG=] ''Jump to Lightspeed'').
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** The choice to have Vader and Obi-Wan have a rematch between ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and ''Film/ANewHope'' proved to be very divisive amongst viewers. For many it was the [[JustHereForGodzilla whole reason they wanted to watch the show]] (which {{Creator/Lucasfilm}} seemed to be keenly aware of, given it was one of the first things they announced about the show). The duel itself would be praised by this camp for providing the right balance of the OT's realism and PT's spectacle, with an emotionally moving conclusion, that strengthens the connection between both trilogies. Detractors however feel that the idea of Obi-Wan and Vader battling each other between the two trilogies is a contrived case of PanderingToTheBase which opens up too many continuity issues. These fans note dialogue in ''A New Hope'' heavily implies that the duel on the Death Star was the first time was the first time the two had encountered each other since their fight on Mustafar (particularly, Vader saying "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master"[[note]]This line was already contradicted by the Prequel Trilogy since Anakin was not a Padawan learner, but a Jedi Knight when he turned to the Dark Side[[/note]]), feeling that having a duel in the intermedium diminishes the emotional impact of both of their duels within the film series. Conversely, there are others who feel that having these duels, which show Vader initially filled with rage and anger, before later deciding to distance himself from his emotions, helps smooth over some FridgeLogic raised by people after the release of ''Revenge of the Sith'', who questioned why, given that that film's duel had Obi-Wan cripple him and leave him for dead while burning alive, Vader would be so calm and composed in ''A New Hope'' upon meeting Obi-Wan for the first time since that happened. Likewise, Obi-Wan in ''Film/ANewHope'' doesn't react much to his former apprentice now being a 6'8" black cyborg, while Obi-Wan in this show is shown to be shocked and terrified of Vader at first. Some detractors also argue that the duel itself was underwhelming, [[FightSceneFailure noting that its poor lighting and certain camera angles makes it difficult to discern what's happening at times]].

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** The choice to have Vader and Obi-Wan have a rematch between ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and ''Film/ANewHope'' proved to be very divisive amongst viewers. For many it was the [[JustHereForGodzilla whole reason they wanted to watch the show]] (which {{Creator/Lucasfilm}} seemed to be keenly aware of, given it was one of the first things they announced about the show). The duel itself would be praised by this camp for providing the right balance of the OT's realism and PT's spectacle, with an emotionally moving conclusion, that strengthens the connection between both trilogies. Detractors however feel that the idea of Obi-Wan and Vader battling each other between the two trilogies is a contrived case of PanderingToTheBase which opens up too many continuity issues. These fans note dialogue in ''A New Hope'' heavily implies that the duel on the Death Star was the first time was the first time the two had encountered each other since their fight on Mustafar (particularly, Vader saying "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master"[[note]]This line was already contradicted by the Prequel Trilogy since Anakin was not a Padawan learner, but a Jedi Knight when he turned to the Dark Side[[/note]]), feeling that having a duel in the intermedium diminishes the emotional impact of both of their duels within the film series. Conversely, there are others who feel that having these duels, which show Vader initially filled with rage and anger, before later deciding to distance himself from his emotions, helps smooth over some FridgeLogic raised by people after the release of ''Revenge of the Sith'', who questioned why, given that that film's duel had Obi-Wan cripple him and leave him for dead while burning alive, Vader would be so calm and composed in ''A New Hope'' upon meeting Obi-Wan for the first time since that happened. Likewise, Obi-Wan in ''Film/ANewHope'' doesn't react much to his former apprentice now being a 6'8" black black-clad cyborg, while Obi-Wan in this show is shown to be shocked and terrified of Vader at first. Some detractors also argue that the duel itself was underwhelming, [[FightSceneFailure noting that its poor lighting and certain camera angles makes it difficult to discern what's happening at times]].
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** In Part VI, when [[spoiler: Vader tells Obi-Wan, "I am not your failure" and “I killed Anakin Skywalker”, is that really the Anakin inside him briefly appearing to absolve Obi-Wan of any misplaced guilt for what he's become? Or is it a case of Vader not wanting to be considered merely "Obi-Wan's failure" and rather his own man who made his own choices? Or is he taunting Obi-Wan, throwing it in his face that Vader murdered his best friend and brother? Or is snapping back at what he saw as Obi-Wan's CondescendingCompassion with a spiteful LetMeBeEvil declaration? [[DeathSeeker Or did Vader want Obi-Wan to end him and needed to disassociate himself from his former identity so that Obi-Wan can strike him down as a symbol of the ultimate evil rather than an old friend?]] [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs A combination of these?]] For example, Vader does [[TragicMistake consider himself the one who really killed Anakin]], is willing to admit it to Obi-Wan [[BrutalHonesty since it would also hurt him in the process]], and would rather keep fighting him [[StrikeMeDown to his]] [[NotAfraidToDie last breath]].]]

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** In Part VI, when [[spoiler: Vader tells Obi-Wan, "I am not your failure" and “I killed Anakin Skywalker”, is that really the Anakin inside him briefly appearing to absolve Obi-Wan of any misplaced guilt for what he's become? Or is it a case of Vader not wanting to be considered merely "Obi-Wan's failure" and rather his own man who made his own choices? Or is he taunting Obi-Wan, throwing it in his face that Vader murdered his best friend and brother? Or is he snapping back at what he saw as Obi-Wan's CondescendingCompassion with a spiteful LetMeBeEvil declaration? [[DeathSeeker Or did Vader want Obi-Wan to end him and needed to disassociate himself from his former identity so that Obi-Wan can strike him down as a symbol of the ultimate evil rather than an old friend?]] [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs A combination of these?]] For example, Vader does [[TragicMistake consider himself the one who really killed Anakin]], is willing to admit it to Obi-Wan [[BrutalHonesty since it would also hurt him in the process]], and would rather keep fighting him [[StrikeMeDown to his]] [[NotAfraidToDie last breath]].]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A lot of criticism is directed at the fact that [[spoiler:the Grand Inquisitor and Reva]] both survived being stabbed by lightsabers purely on their anger. This concept is not original to this show; Anakin survived long enough being burned alive by lava to be placed in the Vader suit, and this is explicitly the way that Darth Sion is even still alive in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicII'' as well as how Darth Maul survived ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' to reappear in ''WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars''. The difference is that Vader, Sion, and Maul were powerful Sith Lords and their recovery [[SanitySlippage didn't do them any favors in their sanity]], while the Inquisitors are not well trained and [[JustAFleshWound appeared largely fine once they stood back up]].[[note]]There ''are'' a couple of other cases in ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' where characters who ''weren't'' major Sith Lords survived similar injuries, but Mace Windu in ''Literature/{{Shatterpoint}}'' explained it away well enough to be a JustifiedTrope--the lightsaber missed anything immediately lethal and cauterized the injury on its way in, and he collapsed once the fight was over and the adrenaline wore off--and [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic the Outlander]] had [[AWizardDidIt the Sith Emperor helping them]], plus Koth to provide a well-timed {{lampshade}}.[[/note]]

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A lot of criticism is directed at the fact that [[spoiler:the Grand Inquisitor and Reva]] both survived being stabbed by lightsabers purely on their anger. This concept is not original to this show; Anakin survived long enough being burned alive by lava to be placed in the Vader suit, and this is explicitly the way that Darth Sion is even still alive in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicII'' ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'' as well as how Darth Maul survived ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' to reappear in ''WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars''.''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars''. The difference is that Vader, Sion, and Maul were powerful Sith Lords and their recovery [[SanitySlippage didn't do them any favors in their sanity]], while the Inquisitors are not well trained and [[JustAFleshWound appeared largely fine once they stood back up]].[[note]]There ''are'' a couple of other cases in ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' where characters who ''weren't'' major Sith Lords survived similar injuries, but Mace Windu in ''Literature/{{Shatterpoint}}'' explained it away well enough to be a JustifiedTrope--the lightsaber missed anything immediately lethal and cauterized the injury on its way in, and he collapsed once the fight was over and the adrenaline wore off--and [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic the Outlander]] had [[AWizardDidIt the Sith Emperor helping them]], plus Koth to provide a well-timed {{lampshade}}.[[/note]]

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** Reva is highly divisive ever since the series premiered. While some of the hatred towards her was due to bigotry (actress Creator/MosesIngram received many racist insults on her social media accounts), some fans just found her to be an inconsistently written character who took focus away from Obi-Wan and Vader. It didn't help that she usurps the Grand Inquisitor in the narrative, a character from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' that fans were excited to see in live action. Once her true motives and backstory were revealed she gained a lot of supporters viewing her as a sympathetic TragicVillain, but she remained quite contentious because [[spoiler: after failing an assassination against Vader the plot contrives to have her learn of and target Luke for an EndingFatigue final climax]]. It didn't help she was unfavorably compared to fan-favorite Second Sister/Trilla from ''VideoGame/StarWarsJediFallenOrder'' as they both are former Jedi padawans who survived Order 66 only to become Inquisitors. Additionally, [[spoiler: her redemption is considered very divisive among viewers, dectractors find it unearned and haf-baked since the greatest thing she did was not go through with killing a random child (Luke) she was seconds from killing, yet be exonerated for it. Compare Vader, who has done far worse than Reva ever did, but whose redemption had more justifying context.( I.E. sacrificing his life to save his son and kill the Emperor.) Fans, however, argue it's hypocritical to classify Reva as BeyondRedemption, as every crime Reva has committed, Vader is also guilty of and has committed on a much larger scale.]]

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** Reva is has been highly divisive ever since the series premiered. While some of the hatred towards her was due to bigotry (actress Creator/MosesIngram received many racist insults on her social media accounts), some fans just found her to be an inconsistently written character who took focus away from Obi-Wan and Vader. It didn't help that she usurps the Grand Inquisitor in the narrative, a character from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' that fans were excited to see in live action. Once her true motives and backstory were revealed she gained a lot of supporters viewing her as a sympathetic TragicVillain, but she remained quite contentious because [[spoiler: after failing an assassination against Vader the plot contrives to have her learn of and target Luke for an EndingFatigue final climax]]. It didn't help she was unfavorably compared to fan-favorite Second Sister/Trilla from ''VideoGame/StarWarsJediFallenOrder'' as they both are former Jedi padawans who survived Order 66 only to become Inquisitors. Additionally, [[spoiler: her redemption is considered very divisive among viewers, dectractors find it unearned and haf-baked since the greatest thing she did was not go through with killing a random child (Luke) she was seconds from killing, yet be exonerated for it. Compare Vader, who has done far worse than Reva ever did, but whose redemption had more justifying context.( I.E. sacrificing his life to save his son and kill the Emperor.) Fans, however, argue it's hypocritical to classify Reva as BeyondRedemption, as every crime Reva has committed, Vader is also guilty of and has committed on a much larger scale.]]



** The choice to have Vader and Obi-Wan have a rematch between ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and ''Film/ANewHope'' proved to be very divisive amongst viewers. For many it was the [[JustHereForGodzilla whole reason they wanted to watch the show]] (which {{Creator/Lucasfilm}} seemed to be keenly aware of, given it was one of the first things they announced about the show). The dual itself would be praised by this camp for providing the right balance of the OT's realism and PT's spectacle, with an emotionally moving conclusion, that strengthens the connection between both trilogies. Detractors however feel that the idea of Obi-Wan and Vader battling each other between the two trilogies is a contrived case of PanderingToTheBase which opens up too many continuity issues. These fans note dialogue in ''A New Hope'' heavily implies that the dual of the Death Star was the first time was the first time the two had encountered each other since their fight on Mustafar (particularly, Vader saying "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master"[[note]]This line was already contradicted by the Prequel Trilogy since Anakin was not a Padawan learner, but a Jedi Knight when he turned to the Dark Side[[/note]]), feeling that having a duel in the intermedium diminishes the emotional impact of both of their duels within the film series. Conversely, there are others who feel that having these duels, which show Vader initially filled with rage and anger, before later deciding to distance himself from his emotions, helps smooth over some FridgeLogic raised by people after the release of ''Revenge of the Sith'', who questioned why, given that that film's duel had Obi-Wan cripple him and leave him for dead while burning alive, Vader would be so calm and composed in ''A New Hope'' upon meeting Obi-Wan for the first time since that happened. Likewise, Obi-Wan in ''Film/ANewHope'' doesn't react much to his former apprentice now being a 6'8" black cyborg, while Obi-Wan in this show is shown to be shocked and terrified of Vader at first. Some detractors also argue that the duel itself was underwhelming, [[FightSceneFailure noting that its poor lighting and certain camera angles makes it difficult to discern what's happening at times]].

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** The choice to have Vader and Obi-Wan have a rematch between ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and ''Film/ANewHope'' proved to be very divisive amongst viewers. For many it was the [[JustHereForGodzilla whole reason they wanted to watch the show]] (which {{Creator/Lucasfilm}} seemed to be keenly aware of, given it was one of the first things they announced about the show). The dual duel itself would be praised by this camp for providing the right balance of the OT's realism and PT's spectacle, with an emotionally moving conclusion, that strengthens the connection between both trilogies. Detractors however feel that the idea of Obi-Wan and Vader battling each other between the two trilogies is a contrived case of PanderingToTheBase which opens up too many continuity issues. These fans note dialogue in ''A New Hope'' heavily implies that the dual of duel on the Death Star was the first time was the first time the two had encountered each other since their fight on Mustafar (particularly, Vader saying "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master"[[note]]This line was already contradicted by the Prequel Trilogy since Anakin was not a Padawan learner, but a Jedi Knight when he turned to the Dark Side[[/note]]), feeling that having a duel in the intermedium diminishes the emotional impact of both of their duels within the film series. Conversely, there are others who feel that having these duels, which show Vader initially filled with rage and anger, before later deciding to distance himself from his emotions, helps smooth over some FridgeLogic raised by people after the release of ''Revenge of the Sith'', who questioned why, given that that film's duel had Obi-Wan cripple him and leave him for dead while burning alive, Vader would be so calm and composed in ''A New Hope'' upon meeting Obi-Wan for the first time since that happened. Likewise, Obi-Wan in ''Film/ANewHope'' doesn't react much to his former apprentice now being a 6'8" black cyborg, while Obi-Wan in this show is shown to be shocked and terrified of Vader at first. Some detractors also argue that the duel itself was underwhelming, [[FightSceneFailure noting that its poor lighting and certain camera angles makes it difficult to discern what's happening at times]].times]].
** The resolution of the duel itself also proved divisive. Detractors considered it a rip-off of a nearly identical scene from the iconic "Twilight of the Apprentice, Part II" and also complained it was part of a larger trend of the media landscape shunning or minimizing animation as a medium in favor of live-action, while defenders appreciated the symmetry of [[spoiler:Ahsoka and Obi-Wan both breaking off half of the mask each while only Luke was able to peacefully remove the mask per a redeemed Anakin's dying wish; though even some defenders will admit they wished new ground had been tread instead of doing a successor to the ''Rebels'' scene.]] Both sides still were able to find some common ground regarding the acting and story development of the scene, however.


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** The series finale's climactic duel ends with [[spoiler:Obi-Wan breaking off half of Vader's mask and having an emotional conversation with him, eerily similar to the iconic scene from the ''Rebels'' episode "Twilight of the Apprentice, Part II". Detractors consider it a rip-off of the animated scene (see BrokenBase for more).]]

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