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Never Live It Down is when fans "take some characters and narrowly define them based on one action or event, often to the exclusion of other, often more important, actions of that character". This trope is not for criticizing creators.


* NeverLiveItDown: Igor Kordney's fill-in work was extremely rushed due to deadlines, and unfortunately most people only seem to remember his work on ''New X-Men'' over his more lush artwork in titles like the ''Wonder Man'' miniseries. After Ethan Van Sciver's reputation tanked in recent years, some fans proposed Marvel contacting Igor and getting him to both redraw his initial pages and replace Van Sciver's work in the trade collections only now with enough time to do it properly.

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* NeverLiveItDown: {{Narm}}: Igor Kordney's fill-in work was extremely rushed due to deadlines, leading to characters looking comically off-model in otherwise serious or touching moments. For example, Ugly John noticing how deformed he looks compared to Logan and unfortunately most people only seem to remember his work on ''New X-Men'' over his more lush artwork in titles like Scott becomes hysterical when the ''Wonder Man'' miniseries. After Ethan Van Sciver's reputation tanked in recent years, some fans proposed Marvel contacting Igor and getting him to both redraw his initial pages and replace Van Sciver's work in the trade collections only now latter two are drawn with enough time to do it properly.oversized noses and abnormally small eyes.

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* ValuesDissonance:
** One of the series' major criticisms, especially in TheNewTens, is its general CriticalResearchFailure on the subjects of the Middle East and Islam. Several readers have also gone as far as to declare the run as Islamophobic in hindsight. Of course, the series was being written around the TurnOfTheMillennium, and we all know the world's general attitude towards Muslims during that time period...
** The relationship between Emma Frost and Cyclops is a prime contender. The UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example above details most of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale the double standard]].

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ValuesDissonance: One of the series' major criticisms, especially in TheNewTens, is its general CriticalResearchFailure on the subjects of the Middle East and Islam. Several readers have also gone as far as to declare the run as Islamophobic in hindsight. Of course, the series was being written around the TurnOfTheMillennium, and we all know the world's general attitude towards Muslims during that time period...
** The relationship between Emma Frost and Cyclops is a prime contender. The UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example above details most of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale the double standard]].
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** Morrison's creation Quentin Quire feels too similar to a school shooter archetype, which has gotten increasingly uncomfortable in the wake of multiple school shootings in the latest years.

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* DieForOurShip: Jean Grey is abruptly killed off by a single touch on the shoulder from Xorn/Magneto (just one issue after she survived being hurled into the sun, no less) to make room for the new Scott/Emma pairing. It's justified in-universe by the revelation that Scott and Emma ''not'' hooking up will lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and a ridiculously convoluted plot in which Jean's spirit psychically forces Scott to accept the new relationship without complaint. Apparently, gradually easing them into the relationship wasn't an option--Jean ''had'' to die right then, and Emma ''had'' to make out with Scott the day after it happened. [[CrossesTheLineTwice On top of Jean's grave]].
** It should be noted that Morrison did not do this because they themself disliked Jean or preferred Scott with Emma (in fact, they expressed in interviews that they had several more stories planned for Jean had they stayed longer). Rather, it was because [[ExecutiveMeddling those higher on the totem pole than them]] felt Jean was [[StoryBreakerPower too powerful]] and thus had to be removed.

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* DieForOurShip: Jean Grey is abruptly killed off by a single touch on the shoulder from Xorn/Magneto (just one issue after she survived being hurled into the sun, no less) to make room for the new Scott/Emma pairing. It's justified in-universe by the revelation that Scott and Emma ''not'' hooking up will lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and a ridiculously convoluted plot in which Jean's spirit psychically forces Scott to accept the new relationship without complaint. Apparently, gradually easing them into the relationship wasn't an option--Jean ''had'' to die right then, and Emma ''had'' to make out with Scott the day after it happened. [[CrossesTheLineTwice On top of Jean's grave]].
** It should be noted that Morrison did not do this because they themself disliked Jean or preferred Scott with Emma (in fact, they expressed in interviews that they had several more stories planned for Jean had they stayed longer). Rather, it
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** While she was subject to a myriad of CriticalResearchFailure and ValuesDissonance, Dust has been getting some well-deserved love as one of Marvel's first Muslim superheroes, with some even hoping for her to one day team up with fellow Muslim [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]].
*** This appends at last in ''ComicBook/Champions2019'', ending with Dust joining Kamala's team with Cyclops' blessing. Dust proves instrumental in forging a Champions/X-Men alliance in ''ComicBook/Champions2020'', during ''ComicBook/{{Outlawed}}'' storyline.

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** While she was subject to a myriad of CriticalResearchFailure and ValuesDissonance, Dust has been getting some well-deserved love as one of Marvel's first Muslim superheroes, with some even hoping for her to one day team up with fellow Muslim [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]].
*** This appends at last
Khan]], which ultimately happened in ''ComicBook/Champions2019'', ending with Dust joining Kamala's team with Cyclops' blessing. Dust proves instrumental in forging a Champions/X-Men alliance in ''ComicBook/Champions2020'', during ''ComicBook/{{Outlawed}}'' storyline.blessing.



** There's no real other way to put this: this run, and its spinoffs and satellite books like ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants Academy X]]'', are incredibly retroactively depressing. For all of Morrison's stories about how the future will be great and mutants are about to seize their rightful role as dominant species, the fact remains that pretty much the second they left, most of the changes they made were {{retcon}}ned, negated, or just ignored, sometimes [[ComicBook/HouseOfM to a catastrophic degree]], simply because [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling editors]] felt that Morrison [[StatusQuoIsGod shook up the status quo too much]].

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** There's no real other way to put this: this This run, and its spinoffs and satellite books like ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants Academy X]]'', are incredibly retroactively depressing. For all of Morrison's stories about how the future will be great and mutants are about to seize their rightful role as dominant species, the fact remains that pretty much the second they left, most of the changes they made were {{retcon}}ned, negated, or just ignored, sometimes [[ComicBook/HouseOfM to a catastrophic degree]], simply because [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling editors]] felt that Morrison [[StatusQuoIsGod shook up the status quo too much]].
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*** This appends at last in ''ComicBook/Champions2019'', ending with Dust joining Kamala's team with Cyclops' blessing. Dust proves instrumental in forging a Champions/X-Men alliance in ''ComicBook/Champions2020'', during ''ComicBook/{{Outlawed}}'' storyline.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: "Planet X" was subject to a well-known ([[ContinuitySnarl for being ridiculously confusing]]) one of these almost as soon as Morrison left Marvel. Morrison himself may have acknowledged that one of these would be necessary eventually, as within the story itself the only character who seems absolutely sure that "Magneto" is who he claims to be is [[SycophanticServant Toad]], along with a throwaway line from Wolverine explaining that "Magneto" was "under orders he didn't understand" to be used by future writers as some kind of backdoor.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: "Planet X" was subject to a well-known ([[ContinuitySnarl for being ridiculously confusing]]) one of these almost as soon as Morrison left Marvel. Morrison himself themself may have acknowledged that one of these would be necessary eventually, as within the story itself the only character who seems absolutely sure that "Magneto" is who he claims to be is [[SycophanticServant Toad]], along with a throwaway line from Wolverine explaining that "Magneto" was "under orders he didn't understand" to be used by future writers as some kind of backdoor.



** It should be noted that Morrison did not do this because they themself disliked Jean or preferred Scott with Emma (in fact, they expressed in interviews that he had several more stories planned for Jean had he stayed longer). Rather, it was because [[ExecutiveMeddling those higher on the totem pole than them]] felt Jean was [[StoryBreakerPower too powerful]] and thus had to be removed.

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** It should be noted that Morrison did not do this because they themself disliked Jean or preferred Scott with Emma (in fact, they expressed in interviews that he they had several more stories planned for Jean had he they stayed longer). Rather, it was because [[ExecutiveMeddling those higher on the totem pole than them]] felt Jean was [[StoryBreakerPower too powerful]] and thus had to be removed.



** There's no real other way to put this: this run, and its spinoffs and satellite books like ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants Academy X]]'', are incredibly retroactively depressing. For all of Morrison's stories about how the future will be great and mutants are about to seize their rightful role as dominant species, the fact remains that pretty much the second he left, most of the changes he made were {{retcon}}ned, negated, or just ignored, sometimes [[ComicBook/HouseOfM to a catastrophic degree]], simply because [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling editors]] felt that Morrison [[StatusQuoIsGod shook up the status quo too much]].

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** There's no real other way to put this: this run, and its spinoffs and satellite books like ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants Academy X]]'', are incredibly retroactively depressing. For all of Morrison's stories about how the future will be great and mutants are about to seize their rightful role as dominant species, the fact remains that pretty much the second he they left, most of the changes he they made were {{retcon}}ned, negated, or just ignored, sometimes [[ComicBook/HouseOfM to a catastrophic degree]], simply because [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling editors]] felt that Morrison [[StatusQuoIsGod shook up the status quo too much]].
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* CreatorsPet: A common criticism of "Here Comes Tomorrow" is that it's billed as the ultimate GrandFinale for the X-mythos as a whole, but the only previously established ''X-Men'' characters appearing in it (outside of the five core members of the present-day team) are characters created by Creator/GrantMorrison himself in this very run. Naturally, an X-fan reading it might hope to see what happened with some of the X-Men's descendants in the 150 years since the team disbanded, but the only one we get to meet is Tito Bohusk, the grandson of Angel Salvadore and Beak. Morrison often seemed to favor his own characters over the established ones, particularly the Cuckoos, who get to save the day as often as some of the preexisting X-Men. It's subverted in the sense that many other writers have since used these characters and entrenched them as permanent additions to the greater mythos, and most of them have strong fanbases besides.

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* CreatorsPet: A common criticism of "Here Comes Tomorrow" is that it's billed as the ultimate GrandFinale for the X-mythos as a whole, but the only previously established ''X-Men'' characters appearing in it (outside of the five core members of the present-day team) are characters created by Creator/GrantMorrison himself themself in this very run. Naturally, an X-fan reading it might hope to see what happened with some of the X-Men's descendants in the 150 years since the team disbanded, but the only one we get to meet is Tito Bohusk, the grandson of Angel Salvadore and Beak. Morrison often seemed to favor his their own characters over the established ones, particularly the Cuckoos, who get to save the day as often as some of the preexisting X-Men. It's subverted in the sense that many other writers have since used these characters and entrenched them as permanent additions to the greater mythos, and most of them have strong fanbases besides.



** It should be noted that Morrison did not do this because he himself disliked Jean or preferred Scott with Emma (in fact, he expressed in interviews that he had several more stories planned for Jean had he stayed longer). Rather, it was because [[ExecutiveMeddling those higher on the totem pole than him]] felt Jean was [[StoryBreakerPower too powerful]] and thus had to be removed.

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** It should be noted that Morrison did not do this because he himself they themself disliked Jean or preferred Scott with Emma (in fact, he they expressed in interviews that he had several more stories planned for Jean had he stayed longer). Rather, it was because [[ExecutiveMeddling those higher on the totem pole than him]] them]] felt Jean was [[StoryBreakerPower too powerful]] and thus had to be removed.



** Invoked. Morrison has [[WordOfGod gone on record]] as saying he deliberately wrote "Here Comes Tomorrow" in such a way that readers could consider it the very last ''X-Men'' story if so inclined.
** Ironically, despite Morrison invoking it for stuff post-"Here Comes Tomorrow", some fans prefer to take this approach to his entire run itself.

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** Invoked. Morrison has [[WordOfGod gone on record]] as saying he they deliberately wrote "Here Comes Tomorrow" in such a way that readers could consider it the very last ''X-Men'' story if so inclined.
** Ironically, despite Morrison invoking it for stuff post-"Here Comes Tomorrow", some fans prefer to take this approach to his their entire run itself.



* WinBackTheCrowd: One of the main goals of the series, as Morrison states in his outline for the run. After spending years as Marvel's most popular book (and one of the most lucrative superhero franchises on Earth), X-Men hit a bit of a DorkAge in the late 90s as editors began enforcing StatusQuoIsGod a little too much and falling back on old cliches to avoid losing a successful formula. With ''New X-Men'', Morrison sought to take advantage of the new interest sparked by [[Film/XMen1 the movie]] to bring the series to a wider audience while resurrecting the wild, experimental storytelling that made it popular in the first place. Though the run is polarizing amongst long-time fans, it revived dwindling interest in the X-mythos and saw a huge boost in sales.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: One of the main goals of the series, as Morrison states in his their outline for the run. After spending years as Marvel's most popular book (and one of the most lucrative superhero franchises on Earth), X-Men hit a bit of a DorkAge in the late 90s as editors began enforcing StatusQuoIsGod a little too much and falling back on old cliches to avoid losing a successful formula. With ''New X-Men'', Morrison sought to take advantage of the new interest sparked by [[Film/XMen1 the movie]] to bring the series to a wider audience while resurrecting the wild, experimental storytelling that made it popular in the first place. Though the run is polarizing amongst long-time fans, it revived dwindling interest in the X-mythos and saw a huge boost in sales.

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* CreatorsPet: A common criticism of "Here Comes Tomorrow" is that it's billed as the ultimate GrandFinale for the X-mythos as a whole, but the only previously established ''X-Men'' characters appearing in it (outside of the five core members of the present-day team) are characters created by Creator/GrantMorrison himself in this very run. Naturally, an X-fan reading it might hope to see what happened with some of the X-Men's descendants in the 150 years since the team disbanded, but the only one we get to meet is Tito Bohusk, the grandson of Angel Salvadore and Beak.
** Morrison often seemed to favor his own characters over the established ones, particularly the Cuckoos, who get to save the day as often as some of the preexisting X-Men. It's subverted in the sense that many other writers have since used these characters and entrenched them as permanent additions to the greater mythos, and most of them have strong fanbases besides.

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* CreatorsPet: A common criticism of "Here Comes Tomorrow" is that it's billed as the ultimate GrandFinale for the X-mythos as a whole, but the only previously established ''X-Men'' characters appearing in it (outside of the five core members of the present-day team) are characters created by Creator/GrantMorrison himself in this very run. Naturally, an X-fan reading it might hope to see what happened with some of the X-Men's descendants in the 150 years since the team disbanded, but the only one we get to meet is Tito Bohusk, the grandson of Angel Salvadore and Beak.
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Beak. Morrison often seemed to favor his own characters over the established ones, particularly the Cuckoos, who get to save the day as often as some of the preexisting X-Men. It's subverted in the sense that many other writers have since used these characters and entrenched them as permanent additions to the greater mythos, and most of them have strong fanbases besides.

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* HolyShitQuotient: The entire series was built on this - it started with Genosha (and its population of several million mutants) being wiped off the face of the Earth by Sentinels, and climaxed with Xorn revealing himself to be Magneto and attempting to go kill every human in New York as the team rushed to get back together and stop him.


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* ShockingMoments: The entire series was built on this - it started with Genosha (and its population of several million mutants) being wiped off the face of the Earth by Sentinels, and climaxed with Xorn revealing himself to be Magneto and attempting to go kill every human in New York as the team rushed to get back together and stop him.
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Holy shit dude, stop using loaded language and bashing Quentin. We get it, you don't like him.


** Morrison's creation Quentin Quire is nothing but a basic school shooter character, an obnoxious incel who thinks he's got the entire world figured out and authority figures like Professor X and Wolverine are morons. That's how Morrison created Quentin to be and the story doesn't portray his behavior as anything but horrible, to the point his half-baked "revolution" leads to at least two people dying (including Sophie Cuckoo) and Quentin pathetically stating he did it all because Sophie wouldn't notice him. In later years, writers after Morrison haven't changed Quentin's personality or behavior at ''all'' yet he's now been applauded by the narrative for doing the exact same things he was initially derided for. Unfortunately, this trend coinciding with the increase of mass shootings among schools leaves an especially bitter taste in the mouths of the readers and only makes Quentin a bigger example of TheScrappy.

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** Morrison's creation Quentin Quire is nothing but feels too similar to a basic school shooter character, an obnoxious incel who thinks he's got archetype, which has gotten increasingly uncomfortable in the entire world figured out and authority figures like Professor X and Wolverine are morons. That's how Morrison created Quentin to be and the story doesn't portray his behavior as anything but horrible, to the point his half-baked "revolution" leads to at least two people dying (including Sophie Cuckoo) and Quentin pathetically stating he did it all because Sophie wouldn't notice him. In later years, writers after Morrison haven't changed Quentin's personality or behavior at ''all'' yet he's now been applauded by the narrative for doing the exact same things he was initially derided for. Unfortunately, this trend coinciding with the increase wake of mass multiple school shootings among schools leaves an especially bitter taste in the mouths of the readers and only makes Quentin a bigger example of TheScrappy.latest years.



** Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]]. [[spoiler: And one of them doesn't even get that far. Thanks Quentin ;(]]

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** Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]]. [[spoiler: And one of them doesn't even get that far. Thanks Quentin ;(]]
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** Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]]. [[spoiler: And one of them doesn't even get that far. Thanks Quentin ;(

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** Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]]. [[spoiler: And one of them doesn't even get that far. Thanks Quentin ;(;(]]
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** Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]].

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** Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]]. [[spoiler: And one of them doesn't even get that far. Thanks Quentin ;(

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** Morrison's creation Quentin Quire is nothing but a basic school shooter character, an obnoxious incel who thinks he's got the entire world figured out and authority figures like Professor X and Wolverine are morons. That's how Morrison created Quentin to be and the story doesn't portray his behavior as anything but horrible, to the point his half-baked "revolution" leads to at least two people dying (including Sophie Cuckoo) and Quentin pathetically stating he did it all because Sophie wouldn't notice him. In later years, writers after Morrison haven't changed Quentin's personality or behavior at ''all'' yet he's now been applauded by the narrative for doing the exact same things he was initially derided for. Unfortunately, this trend coinciding with the increase of mass shootings among schools leaves an especially bitter taste in the mouths of the readers and only makes Quentin a bigger example of TheScappy.

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** Morrison's creation Quentin Quire is nothing but a basic school shooter character, an obnoxious incel who thinks he's got the entire world figured out and authority figures like Professor X and Wolverine are morons. That's how Morrison created Quentin to be and the story doesn't portray his behavior as anything but horrible, to the point his half-baked "revolution" leads to at least two people dying (including Sophie Cuckoo) and Quentin pathetically stating he did it all because Sophie wouldn't notice him. In later years, writers after Morrison haven't changed Quentin's personality or behavior at ''all'' yet he's now been applauded by the narrative for doing the exact same things he was initially derided for. Unfortunately, this trend coinciding with the increase of mass shootings among schools leaves an especially bitter taste in the mouths of the readers and only makes Quentin a bigger example of TheScappy.TheScrappy.


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* NeverLiveItDown: Igor Kordney's fill-in work was extremely rushed due to deadlines, and unfortunately most people only seem to remember his work on ''New X-Men'' over his more lush artwork in titles like the ''Wonder Man'' miniseries. After Ethan Van Sciver's reputation tanked in recent years, some fans proposed Marvel contacting Igor and getting him to both redraw his initial pages and replace Van Sciver's work in the trade collections only now with enough time to do it properly.
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** Morrison's creation Quentin Quire is nothing but a basic school shooter character, an obnoxious incel who thinks he's got the entire world figured out and authority figures like Professor X and Wolverine are morons. That's how Morrison created Quentin to be and the story doesn't portray his behavior as anything but horrible, to the point his half-baked "revolution" leads to at least two people dying (including Sophie Cuckoo) and Quentin pathetically stating he did it all because Sophie wouldn't notice him. In later years, writers after Morrison haven't changed Quentin's personality or behavior at ''all'' yet he's now been applauded by the narrative for doing the exact same things he was initially derided for. Unfortunately, this trend coinciding with the increase of mass shootings among schools leaves an especially bitter taste in the mouths of the readers and only makes Quentin a bigger example of TheScappy.
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** Quentin Quire, AKA Kid Omega, for being an obnoxious, overpowered bully and terrorist. While he was meant to be a HateSink, later portrayals would turn him into a CreatorsPet who [[KarmaHoudini tends to get away with his truly awful behavior.]] This resulted in him being one of biggest Scrappies of the X-Men franchise, if not ''the'' biggest.

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** Quentin Quire, AKA Kid Omega, for being an obnoxious, overpowered bully and terrorist. While he was meant to be a HateSink, later portrayals would turn him into a CreatorsPet who [[KarmaHoudini tends to get away with his truly awful behavior.]] This resulted in him being one of biggest Scrappies of the X-Men franchise, if not ''the'' biggest. What makes him especially obnoxious is how Morrison initially portrayed his disgusting behavior as nothing but the actions of a pathetic egomaniac lashing out because the girl he was obsessed with thought he was gross, while other writers try to present him as a {{Troll}} who endearingly messes with authority figures and is the ultimate rebel... despite that his personality is ''exactly the same as how Morrison created him to be''.
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** Xorn was actually pretty popular at first. An incredibly zen mutant who had a sun for a head and was the patient mentor to other deformed loser mutants? Seems like ane asy call. Then the Magneto reveal happened...

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** Xorn was actually pretty popular at first. An incredibly zen mutant who had a sun for a head and was the patient mentor to other deformed loser mutants? Seems like ane asy an easy call. Then the Magneto reveal happened...
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** Negasonic Teenage Warhead actually only appears alive for a single page before getting killed by the Sentinels, but her bizarre name endeared her to many fans. She would eventually become a BreakoutCharacter, appearing as an antagonist in [[ComicBook/AstonishingXMen Joss Whedon's run]] and a major character in the ''Film/{{Deadpool}}'' [[Film/Deadpool2 films]].

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** Negasonic Teenage Warhead actually only appears alive for a single page before getting killed by the Sentinels, but her bizarre name endeared her to many fans. She would eventually become a BreakoutCharacter, appearing as an antagonist in [[ComicBook/AstonishingXMen Joss Whedon's run]] and a major character in the ''Film/{{Deadpool}}'' ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'' [[Film/Deadpool2 films]].
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** "Pakistani" is not a language, Grant.

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** "Pakistani" is not a language, Grant. Though of course, the American heroes [[FridgeBrilliance also]] might not know that InUniverse...

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* ValuesDissonance:
** One of the series' major criticisms, especially in TheNewTens, is its general CriticalResearchFailure on the subjects of the Middle East and Islam. Several readers have also gone as far as to declare the run as Islamophobic in hindsight. Of course, the series was being written around the TurnOfTheMillennium, and we all know the world's general attitude towards Muslims during that time period...
** The relationship between Emma Frost and Cyclops is a prime contender. The UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example above details most of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale the double standard]].



* ValuesDissonance:
** One of the series' major criticisms, especially in TheNewTens, is its general CriticalResearchFailure on the subjects of the Middle East and Islam. Several readers have also gone as far as to declare the run as Islamophobic in hindsight. Of course, the series was being written around the TurnOfTheMillennium, and we all know the world's general attitude towards Muslims during that time period...
** The relationship between Emma Frost and Cyclops is a prime contender. The UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example above details most of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale the double standard]].
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** While she was subject to a myriad of CriticalResearchFailure and ValuesDissonance, Dust has been getting some well-deserved love as one of Marvel's first Muslim superheroes, with some even hoping for her to one day team up with fellow Muslim [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Negasonic Teenage Warhead actually only appears alive for a single page before getting killed by the Sentinels, but her bizarre name endeared her to many fans. She would eventually become a BreakoutCharacter, appearing as an antagonist in [[ComicBook/AstonishingXMen Joss Whedon's run]] and a major character in the ''Film/{{Deadpool}}'' [[Film/Deadpool2 films]].

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Negasonic Teenage Warhead actually only appears alive for a single page before getting killed by the Sentinels, but her bizarre name endeared her to many fans. She would eventually become a BreakoutCharacter, appearing as an antagonist in [[ComicBook/AstonishingXMen Joss Whedon's run]] and a major character in the ''Film/{{Deadpool}}'' [[Film/Deadpool2 films]].films]].
** Xorn was actually pretty popular at first. An incredibly zen mutant who had a sun for a head and was the patient mentor to other deformed loser mutants? Seems like ane asy call. Then the Magneto reveal happened...



** Ironically, despite Morrison invoking it for stuff post-"Here Comes Tomorrow", some fans prefer to take this approach to his own run itself.

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** Ironically, despite Morrison invoking it for stuff post-"Here Comes Tomorrow", some fans prefer to take this approach to his own entire run itself.



* TheWoobie: Almost nothing goes right for Beak - he was traumatized as a kid when his powers manifested, got teased by kids, was forced to beat Beast nearly to death against his will, decided to follow Xorn because he looked up to him, got the crap beaten out of him when he left, and finally got beaten again by Magneto during the assault in the "Planet X" arc. About the only good thing that comes out of this is a relationship with Angel.

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* TheWoobie: Almost nothing goes right for Beak - -- he was traumatized as a kid when his powers manifested, got teased by kids, was forced to beat Beast nearly to death against his will, decided to follow Xorn because he looked up to him, got the crap beaten out of him when he left, and finally got beaten again by Magneto during the assault in the "Planet X" arc. About the only good thing that comes out of this is a relationship with Angel.
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Do transgender people go around stealing organs and murdering homosexuals? Seriously, this claim is daft. Morrison wasn't talking about transgender people, these villains were horrible.


** In hindsight, it's hard to ignore that the U-Men can come off as a ''very'' unsympathetic [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything coded]] portrayal of UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} people. [[note]] They're a close-knit group of people who feel that they were born in the wrong bodies, they attempt to change their physical forms to fit their self-image (often with [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything surgery and hormone injections]]), they consider themselves to be part of the same disenfranchised minority group as mutants, and they often express the idea that they're neither human nor mutant, but a wholly new "Third Species". The phrase "trans-species" is even used once or twice.[[/note]] To put it mildly, attitudes towards transgender rights were a little different in 2001 than in [[TheNewTens the following decade]], and a writer would probably get a very different response if they tried to introduce the U-Men today.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]].

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** "The Proud People" from "Here Comes Tomorrow". ''"Hey, look: a whole team of badass superheroes from the future who we've never met before! Gee, I wonder what kind of awesome stuff they'll--"'' [[WeHardlyKnewYe And...they're dead.]]
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Barnell "Beak" Bohusk, and Xorn's entire "Special Class", to an extent. Beak was set up as a sympathetic and relatable AudienceSurrogate going through the trials and tribulations of adolescence, with plenty of potential for drama and CharacterDevelopment; as an ordinary teenager with a grotesque mutated physique but [[SuperpowerLottery no superpowers]], he showed the audience what life was like for the vast majority of mutants who don't become superheroes. The "Special Class", similarly, was a whole class of teenage misfits with no useful superpowers, who just spent their days trying to survive adolescence; put them all together, and you've got a great recipe for a ComingOfAgeStory. [[SarcasmMode Naturally]], Beak spends almost the entire run [[ButtMonkey getting debased and humiliated by everyone he encounters]] before [[spoiler: accidentally impregnating a classmate who slept with him as a joke]] and then (literally) falling flat on his face the one time he gets a chance to do something heroic. The entire Special Class, meanwhile, is portrayed as a pack of one-note jerks and weirdos who ultimately [[FaceHeelTurn join the villains]] without a second thought after [[spoiler: Xorn turns out to be Magneto]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: There's no real other way to put this: this run, and its spinoffs and satellite books like ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants Academy X]]'', are incredibly retroactively depressing. For all of Morrison's stories about how the future will be great and mutants are about to seize their rightful role as dominant species, the fact remains that pretty much the second he left, most of the changes he made were {{retcon}}ned, negated, or just ignored, sometimes [[ComicBook/HouseOfM to a catastrophic degree]], simply because [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling editors]] felt that Morrison [[StatusQuoIsGod shook up the status quo too much]].
** Emma Frost's abuse of Cyclops is only ever treated as her instigating an affair. It hurts that at roughly the same time, ''Comicbook/{{Alias}}'' detailed a similar abuse of mind-control. Even years later with ''Series/{{JessicaJones}}'' emphasizing it, Emma Frost has still gotten away with it, and Cyclops still portrayed as in the wrong.

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There's no real other way to put this: this run, and its spinoffs and satellite books like ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants Academy X]]'', are incredibly retroactively depressing. For all of Morrison's stories about how the future will be great and mutants are about to seize their rightful role as dominant species, the fact remains that pretty much the second he left, most of the changes he made were {{retcon}}ned, negated, or just ignored, sometimes [[ComicBook/HouseOfM to a catastrophic degree]], simply because [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling editors]] felt that Morrison [[StatusQuoIsGod shook up the status quo too much]].
** Emma Frost's abuse of Cyclops is only ever treated as her instigating an affair. It hurts that at roughly the same time, ''Comicbook/{{Alias}}'' detailed a similar abuse of mind-control. Even years later with ''Series/{{JessicaJones}}'' ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' emphasizing it, Emma Frost has still gotten away with it, and Cyclops still portrayed as in the wrong.
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*** However, there is plenty of room for re-interpenetration about the U-Men. ''New X-Men'' has touched on mutants as "the next big thing," which may be referring to self-diagnosis. Those with A.S.D. [[note]] Autism Spectrum Disorder. [[/note]] and gender dysphoria [[note]] The neurological medical condition that causes transgenderism. [[/note]] deal with others pretending to have their medical conditions. It doesn't help that those people usually view both conditions as personality traits. [[note]] For example, autism is boiled down to HollywoodAutism, InspirationallyDisadvantaged, and TheMentallyDisturbed. Being transgender is often boiled down to thinking that cross-dressing or simply wanting to be the opposite gender.[[/note]] The fact most people who self-diagnose do it to be viewed as "exotic" or cool and develop a sense of superiority to "normal people".
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** However, there is plenty of room for re-interpenetration about the U-Men. ''New X-Men'' has touched on mutants as "the next big thing," which may be referring to self-diagnosis. Those with A.S.D. [[note]] Autism Spectrum Disorder. [[/note]] and gender dysphoria [[note]] The neurological medical condition that causes transgenderism. [[/note]] deal with others pretending to have their medical conditions. It doesn't help that those people usually view both conditions as personality traits. [[note]] For example, autism is boiled down to HollywoodAutism, InspirationallyDisadvantaged, and TheMentallyDisturbed. Being transgender is often boiled down to thinking that cross-dressing or simply wanting to be the opposite gender.[[/note]] The fact most people who self-diagnose do it to be viewed as "exotic" or cool and develop a sense of superiority to "normal people".

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** *** However, there is plenty of room for re-interpenetration about the U-Men. ''New X-Men'' has touched on mutants as "the next big thing," which may be referring to self-diagnosis. Those with A.S.D. [[note]] Autism Spectrum Disorder. [[/note]] and gender dysphoria [[note]] The neurological medical condition that causes transgenderism. [[/note]] deal with others pretending to have their medical conditions. It doesn't help that those people usually view both conditions as personality traits. [[note]] For example, autism is boiled down to HollywoodAutism, InspirationallyDisadvantaged, and TheMentallyDisturbed. Being transgender is often boiled down to thinking that cross-dressing or simply wanting to be the opposite gender.[[/note]] The fact most people who self-diagnose do it to be viewed as "exotic" or cool and develop a sense of superiority to "normal people".
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** Emma Frost's abuse of Cyclops is only ever treated as her instigating an affair. It hurts that at roughly the same time, ''Comicbook/{{Alias}}'' detailed a similar abuse of mind-control. Even years later with ''Series/{{JessicaJones}}'' emphasizing it, Emma Frost has still gotten away with it, and Cyclops still portrayed as in the wrong.
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** The relationship between Emma Frost and Cyclops is a prime contender. UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example above details most of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale the double standard]].

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** The relationship between Emma Frost and Cyclops is a prime contender. UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example above details most of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale the double standard]].

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