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** Fran tends to get the least amount flak out of the three, Mainly due to being a HandicappedBadass that isn't afraid to get dirty, all while being usually a decent person with a HairTriggerTemper that makes her flawed but likable. However, her constant flirts and open sexual qips does turn people off from her and then there are those who believe her more moments of badassery while still being wheel chair bound push the pounds of believably even by the standards of this series.

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** Fran tends to get the least amount flak out of the three, Mainly due to being a HandicappedBadass that isn't afraid to get dirty, all while being usually a decent person with a HairTriggerTemper that makes her flawed but likable. However, her constant flirts and open sexual qips quips does turn people off from her and then there are those who believe her more moments of badassery while still being wheel chair bound push the pounds of believably even by the standards of this series.

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** Athena FINALLY returns after being MIA since ''Pre-Sequel''... but not only is her role very minor (she only attends a meeting with other [=CEOs=] and Tediore), she doesn't even say anything, she just looks on silently. Her role is so minuscule she could have been replaced with an entirely different character and it wouldn't affect the story at all.

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** Athena FINALLY returns after being MIA PutOnABus since ''Pre-Sequel''...''The Pre-Sequel''... but not only is her role very minor (she only attends a meeting with other [=CEOs=] and Tediore), she doesn't even say anything, she just looks on silently. Her role is so minuscule she could have been replaced with an entirely different character and it wouldn't affect the story at all.all.
** Many fans thought the meeting of the various [=CEOs=] meeting was an opportunity to see Naoko once again, this time as the new owner of Maliwan, nicely concluding her story... But she's nowhere to be seen, instead the company is represented by Katagawa Sr. Considering how Naoko was TheFaceless in ''Borderlands 3'', many have made the assumption that the developpers didn't want to create a character model for this brief scene so they just stamped wrinkles on Katagawa Jr. and called it a day.
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* ReplacementScrappy: The new main trio consisting of Anu, Octavio, and Fran are generally considered to be less interesting and entertaining protagonists than the Fiona and Rhys. [[spoiler: It does not help that both actually appear in the game, but have minor roles.]]

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* ReplacementScrappy: The new main trio consisting of Anu, Octavio, and Fran are generally considered to be less interesting and entertaining protagonists than the duo of Fiona and Rhys. [[spoiler: It does not help that both actually appear in the game, but have minor roles.]]
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** Fran tends to get the least amount flak out of the three, Mainly due to being a HandicappedBadass that isn't afraid to get dirty, all while being usually a decent person with a HairTriggerTemper that makes her flawed but likable. However, her constant flirts and open sexual qips does turn people off from her and then there are those who believe her more moments of badassery while still being wheel chair bound push the pounds of believably even by the standards of this series.
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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found him funny and endearing, some also were invested in his goals due to them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.

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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on On the other hand found there are those who did find him funny and endearing, some while were also were invested in his goals due to them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.
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** Averted with [=L0U13=]. While fans do miss [[EnsembleDarkhorse Loader]] [[RobotBuddy Bot]], [=L0U13=] has become a very popular character in his own right. The main criticism leveled against him is that He just isn’t as badass as The Loader.
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** Averted with [=LOU13=] Who as earned as much love as the previous game’s RobotBuddy Loader Bot. The only real criticism He tends to receive is that He simply isn’t as badass as the loader.

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** Averted with [=LOU13=] Who as earned as much love as the previous game’s RobotBuddy Loader Bot. [=L0U13=]. While fans do miss [[EnsembleDarkhorse Loader]] [[RobotBuddy Bot]], [=L0U13=] has become a very popular character in his own right. The only real main criticism He tends to receive leveled against him is that He simply just isn’t as badass as the loader.The Loader.

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** In terms of the new cast, Stableface is easily one of the biggest wastes. As She is notable for being the first [[TokenHeroicOrc benevolent Psycho]] since Krieg. Given how the latter has proven to be such a fan favorite for his [[CrazyIsCool insane personality and behavior]] there was potential to replicate that for Stableface. But after a run in with Anu in episode one, she disappears entirely from the plot. [[spoiler: Until she suddenly reappears in episode 5…where she is soon killed off.]]
** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]]

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** In terms of the new cast, Stableface Stapleface is easily one of the biggest wastes. As She wastes, as she is notable for being the first [[TokenHeroicOrc benevolent Psycho]] since Krieg. Given how the latter has proven to be such a fan favorite for his [[CrazyIsCool insane personality and behavior]] there was potential to replicate that for Stableface. But Stapleface. However, after a run in run-in with Anu in episode one, she disappears entirely from the plot. [[spoiler: Until she suddenly reappears in episode 5…where 5, where she is soon killed off.]]
** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]]
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Of the new cast, [=L0U13=] is easily the most popular thanks to being a ComicallySerious badass robotic assassin that boasts some of the best lines in the game. It isn’t a stretch to say He may be even more popular than the main trio.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Of the new cast, [=L0U13=] is easily the most popular of the new cast thanks to being a ComicallySerious badass robotic assassin that boasts some of the best lines in the game. It isn’t a stretch to say He may be even is more popular than the main trio.


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** Averted with [=LOU13=] Who as earned as much love as the previous game’s RobotBuddy Loader Bot. The only real criticism He tends to receive is that He simply isn’t as badass as the loader.

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** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]] This is another reason why a good number of fans consider this game to be inferior to the first one, as [[VideoGame/Tales of The Borderlands]] was notable for introducing a number of fan favorite characters.

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** In terms of the new cast, Stableface is easily one of the biggest wastes. As She is notable for being the first [[TokenHeroicOrc benevolent Psycho]] since Krieg. Given how the latter has proven to be such a fan favorite for his [[CrazyIsCool insane personality and behavior]] there was potential to replicate that for Stableface. But after a run in with Anu in episode one, she disappears entirely from the plot. [[spoiler: Until she suddenly reappears in episode 5…where she is soon killed off.]]
** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]] This is another reason why a good number of fans consider this game to be inferior to the first one, as [[VideoGame/Tales of The Borderlands]] was notable for introducing a number of fan favorite characters.
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** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast such as Phuong, Stableface, and Diamond Danielle are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]]

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** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast such as Phuong, Stableface, and Diamond Danielle are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]] This is another reason why a good number of fans consider this game to be inferior to the first one, as [[VideoGame/Tales of The Borderlands]] was notable for introducing a number of fan favorite characters.
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** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast is severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]]

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** In general, The vast majority of the secondary cast is such as Phuong, Stableface, and Diamond Danielle are considered to be severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as [[FlatCharacter flat.]]
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** In general, aside from [=L0U13=], The vast majority of the secondary cast is severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as one-note. This is another reason why many fans had a harder time getting into “New Tales” when compared to the first one, as that game notably had a good number of fully developed secondary characters such as Sasha, Vasquez, and Loader Bot.

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** In general, aside from [=L0U13=], The vast majority of the secondary cast is severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as one-note. This is another reason why many fans had a harder time getting into “New Tales” when compared to the first one, as that game notably had a good number of fully developed secondary characters such as Sasha, Vasquez, and Loader Bot.[[FlatCharacter flat.]]
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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found his personality funny and endearing, some also were invested in his goals due to them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.

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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found his personality him funny and endearing, some also were invested in his goals due to them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.



* ContestedSequel: Although the general consensus in the fandom is that it isn’t as good as the first game, there is a split on whether New Tales is a straight up case of {{Sequelitis}} or if it is a good game on its own merits. On the other hand, there is a small number of fans that actually consider the game an EvenBetterSequel.

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* ContestedSequel: Although the general consensus in the fandom is that it isn’t as good as the first game, there is a split on whether New Tales is a straight up case of {{Sequelitis}} or if it is a good game on its own merits. On the other hand, there is a small number of fans that actually consider the game an EvenBetterSequel.



* ReplacementScrappy: The new main trio consisting of Anu, Octavio, and Fran are generally considered to be less interesting and entertaining protagonists than the duo of Fiona and Rhys. [[spoiler: It does not help that both actually appear in the game, but have minor roles.]]
* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (Namely, The well-written story and well-developed characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for having the exact opposite reasons.

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* ReplacementScrappy: The new main trio consisting of Anu, Octavio, and Fran are generally considered to be less interesting and entertaining protagonists than the duo of Fiona and Rhys. [[spoiler: It does not help that both actually appear in the game, but have minor roles.]]
* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's its much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (Namely, The well-written story and well-developed characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for having the exact opposite reasons.



** In general, aside from [=L0U13=] The vast majority of the secondary cast is severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as one-note.

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** In general, aside from [=L0U13=] [=L0U13=], The vast majority of the secondary cast is severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as one-note. This is another reason why many fans had a harder time getting into “New Tales” when compared to the first one, as that game notably had a good number of fully developed secondary characters such as Sasha, Vasquez, and Loader Bot.

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** Athena FINALLY returns after being MIA since ''Pre-Sequel''... but not only is her role very minor (she only attends a meeting with other [=CEOs=] and Tediore), she doesn't even say anything, she just looks on silently. Her role is so miniscule she could have been replaced with an entirely different character and it wouldn't affect the story at all.

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** Athena FINALLY returns after being MIA since ''Pre-Sequel''... but not only is her role very minor (she only attends a meeting with other [=CEOs=] and Tediore), she doesn't even say anything, she just looks on silently. Her role is so miniscule minuscule she could have been replaced with an entirely different character and it wouldn't affect the story at all.all.
** In general, aside from [=L0U13=] The vast majority of the secondary cast is severely underutilized and they aren’t given enough screen time to show off any qualities past their basic characterization, making most of them come off as one-note.

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** Fran tends to get the least hate of the trio. This is thanks to her having less groan worthy lines than the other two protagonists and being a HandicappedBadass that fits right well into the series. On the other hand, some feel that even her moments of badassery are too beyond the realms of believably even by the standards of the series, and her attempts at being promiscuous are seen as cringe worthy even by people who like her.



* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (Namely, The well-written story and well-rounded characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for the exact opposite reasons.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (Namely, The well-written story and well-rounded well-developed characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for having the exact opposite reasons.
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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (The well-written story that manages to balance comedy and drama and well developed characters that would prove to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorites]].) ''New Tales'' was panned for the exact opposite reasons.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (The (Namely, The well-written story that manages to balance comedy and drama and well developed characters that would prove to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorites]].well-rounded characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for the exact opposite reasons.
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** Fran tends to get the least hate of the trio. This is thanks to her aggressive yet sweet personality that that made her more likable than the other two and being a HandicappedBadass that fits right well into the series. On the other hand, some feel that even her moments of badassery are too beyond the realms of believably even by the standards of the series, and her attempts at being promiscuous are seen as cringe worthy even by people who like her.

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** Fran tends to get the least hate of the trio. This is thanks to her aggressive yet sweet personality that that made her more likable having less groan worthy lines than the other two protagonists and being a HandicappedBadass that fits right well into the series. On the other hand, some feel that even her moments of badassery are too beyond the realms of believably even by the standards of the series, and her attempts at being promiscuous are seen as cringe worthy even by people who like her.

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* BrokenBase: Although ''Borderlands'' is known for its comedic tone, the previous games balanced it out by having a healthy dose of action and bits of drama. So for the comedy to be given the main focus for ''New Tales'' to the point were some of the developers called it "A playable sitcom", heavily divided the fan-base between those who enjoyed the comedy of the series and those who believed it would heavily hinder the story. It doesn't help that the comedy of the series has increasingly become viewed in a more critical eye.

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** Fran tends to get the least hate of the trio. This is thanks to her aggressive yet sweet personality that that made her more likable than the other two and being a HandicappedBadass that fits right well into the series. On the other hand, some feel that even her moments of badassery are too beyond the realms of believably even by the standards of the series, and her attempts at being promiscuous are seen as cringe worthy even by people who like her.
* BrokenBase: Although ''Borderlands'' is known for its comedic tone, the previous games balanced it out by having a healthy dose of action and bits of drama. So for the comedy to be given the main focus for ''New Tales'' to the point were some of the developers called it "A playable sitcom", heavily divided the fan-base between those who enjoyed the comedy of the series and those who believed it would heavily hinder the story. It doesn't help that the comedy of the series has increasingly become viewed in a much more critical eye.light.
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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (The well-written story and well developed characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for failing to live up the hype it's predecessor set.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales from The Borderlands'' was praised for (The well-written story that manages to balance comedy and drama and well developed characters.characters that would prove to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorites]].) ''New Tales'' was panned for failing to live up the hype it's predecessor set.exact opposite reasons.
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* {{Sequelitis}}: Even those who were more positive towards the game tend to regard the story and writing to be overall weaker than the first ''Tales From The Borderlands''.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: Even those who were more positive towards the game tend to regard the story and writing ''New Tales'' is widely considered to be overall weaker than a massive step down from it's much acclaimed predecessor. As pretty much everything the first ''Tales From from The Borderlands''.Borderlands'' was praised for (The well-written story and well developed characters.) ''New Tales'' was panned for failing to live up the hype it's predecessor set.
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* BrokenBase: Although ''Borderlands'' is known for its comedic tone, the previous games balanced it out by having a healthy dose of action and bits of drama. So for the comedy to be given the main focus for ''New Tales'' to the point were some of the developers called it "A playable sitcom", heavily divided the fan-base between those who enjoyed the comedy of the series and those who believed it would heavily hinder the story. It doesn't help that the comedy of the series was already divisive.

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* BrokenBase: Although ''Borderlands'' is known for its comedic tone, the previous games balanced it out by having a healthy dose of action and bits of drama. So for the comedy to be given the main focus for ''New Tales'' to the point were some of the developers called it "A playable sitcom", heavily divided the fan-base between those who enjoyed the comedy of the series and those who believed it would heavily hinder the story. It doesn't help that the comedy of the series was already divisive.has increasingly become viewed in a more critical eye.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Of the new cast, [=L0U13=] is easily the most popular thanks to being a ComicallySerious badass robotic assassin that boasts some of the best lines in the game. Even people who didn’t like the game cite him as one of the best parts.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Of the new cast, [=L0U13=] is easily the most popular thanks to being a ComicallySerious badass robotic assassin that boasts some of the best lines in the game. Even people who didn’t like It isn’t a stretch to say He may be even more popular than the game cite him as one of the best parts.main trio.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Of the new cast, [=L0U13=] is easily the most popular thanks to being a badass robotic assassin and a DeadpanSnarker that boasts some of the best lines in the game. It isn't exactly a stretch to say that he may even be more popular than the main trio.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Of the new cast, [=L0U13=] is easily the most popular thanks to being a ComicallySerious badass robotic assassin and a DeadpanSnarker that boasts some of the best lines in the game. It isn't exactly a stretch to say that he may even be more popular than Even people who didn’t like the main trio.game cite him as one of the best parts.
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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found his personality funny and endearing, some also were invested in his goals due to them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two. It also helps that He has good chemistry with [=L0U13=]].

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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found his personality funny and endearing, some also were invested in his goals due to them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two. It also helps that He has good chemistry with [=L0U13=]].
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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found him personality funny and endearing, with some even appreciating his goals to be more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.

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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot who often comes off as an attempt at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand found him his personality funny and endearing, with some even appreciating also were invested in his goals due to be them being more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.two. It also helps that He has good chemistry with [=L0U13=]].
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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an obnoxious idiot that comes off as an attempt to being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand find his personality endearing, with some even appreciating his goals to be more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.

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** Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an annoying and obnoxious idiot that who often comes off as an attempt to at being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand find his found him personality funny and endearing, with some even appreciating his goals to be more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.
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** Octavia received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an obnoxious idiot that comes off as an attempt to being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand find his personality endearing, with some even appreciating his goals to be more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.

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** Octavia Octavio received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an obnoxious idiot that comes off as an attempt to being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand find his personality endearing, with some even appreciating his goals to be more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.

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** You either like Anu for being a WideEyedIdealist who genuinely wants to make the universe a better place and has relatable anxiety issues, or you dislike her for coming off as self-righteous hypocrite whose lack of confidence comes off as irritating. That's not even going into her interactions with Rhys.

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** You either like Anu for being a WideEyedIdealist who genuinely wants to make the universe a better place and has relatable anxiety issues, or you dislike her for coming off as self-righteous hypocrite whose lack of confidence comes off as irritating. That's not even going into her interactions with Rhys. (See StrawmanHasAPoint.)
** Octavia received a ton of hate even before release due to many fans finding him an obnoxious idiot that comes off as an attempt to being TotallyRadical. Fans more tolerant of him on the other hand find his personality endearing, with some even appreciating his goals to be more along the lines of a typical Borderlands protagonist than the other two.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Main trio consisting of Anu, Octavia, and Fran have each proven to be some of the most divisive characters the series has produced. It can even be argued that only [[VideoGame/Borderlands3 Ava]] exceeds them in terms of divisiveness
** You either like Anu for being a WideEyedIdealist who genuinely wants to make the universe a better place and has relatable anxiety issues, or you dislike her for coming off as self-righteous hypocrite who's lack of confidence comes off as irritating. That’s not even going into her interactions with Rhys.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Main trio consisting of Anu, Octavia, Octavio, and Fran have each proven to be some of the most divisive characters the series has produced. It can even be argued that only [[VideoGame/Borderlands3 Ava]] exceeds them in terms of divisiveness
divisiveness.
** You either like Anu for being a WideEyedIdealist who genuinely wants to make the universe a better place and has relatable anxiety issues, or you dislike her for coming off as self-righteous hypocrite who's whose lack of confidence comes off as irritating. That’s That's not even going into her interactions with Rhys.

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