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* RetroactiveRecognition: The English Nanas are [[Creator/RebeccaShoichet Sunset Shimmer]] [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic and]] [[Creator/KellySheridan Starlight Glimmer]], respectively.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: The English Nanas voice actresses for the two Nanas, Creator/KellySheridan and Creator/RebeccaShoichet, are [[Creator/RebeccaShoichet Sunset Shimmer]] better known nowadays as the voices of [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic and]] [[Creator/KellySheridan Starlight Glimmer]], respectively.Glimmer]] and [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Sunset Shimmer]] respectively, with the two even meeting each other in the Equestria Girls special "[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsMagicalMovieNight Mirror Magic]]" and quickly becoming close friends not unlike the two Nanas.
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Nana is a cult classic and one of the best-selling shoujo manga in North America even years after it stopped being published.


* AmericansHateTingle: It was at one point the best-selling manga in Japan, had a 52-episode anime, and had its own live-action movie. Outside of Japan? It doesn't get discussed much. It has its fans, especially due to the PseudoRomanticFriendship attracting yuri fans, but is overshadowed by more popular shoujo series. In more recent years, the BaitAndSwitchLesbians aspect has come under increasing scrutiny as well, along with [[spoiler:discontent that the biggest jerk in the cast is the romantic winner]].
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* AmericansHateTingle: It was at one point the best-selling manga in Japan, had a 52-episode anime, and had its own live-action movie. Outside of Japan? It doesn't get discussed much. It has its fans, especially due to the PseudoRomanticFriendship attracting yuri fans, but is overshadowed by more popular shoujo series.

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* AmericansHateTingle: It was at one point the best-selling manga in Japan, had a 52-episode anime, and had its own live-action movie. Outside of Japan? It doesn't get discussed much. It has its fans, especially due to the PseudoRomanticFriendship attracting yuri fans, but is overshadowed by more popular shoujo series. In more recent years, the BaitAndSwitchLesbians aspect has come under increasing scrutiny as well, along with [[spoiler:discontent that the biggest jerk in the cast is the romantic winner]].
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** Reira is not well-liked by the audience for several reasons. One of the biggest reasons, at least in the West, is mostly because of her relationship with Shin. In the 2010s, age-gap relationships and power imbalances began to be more heavily scrutinized, and as a result, Reira and Shin's relationship is seen as a source of {{Squick}}. Despite that Reira is pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is, they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and also seeks Ren for help, causing him to devote his time to her and make the rift between him and Nana O. wider.

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** Reira is not well-liked by the audience for several reasons. One of the biggest reasons, at least in the West, is mostly because of her relationship with Shin. In the 2010s, age-gap relationships and power imbalances began to be more heavily scrutinized, and as a result, Reira and Shin's relationship Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}}. Despite that Reira is pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is, they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. In the 2010s, age-gap relationships and power imbalances began to be more heavily scrutinized, and as a result, Reira is seen as a predator because of her age and higher social standing. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and also seeks Ren for help, causing him to devote his time to her and make the rift between him and Nana O. wider.
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** Reira is also not very liked by the audience. This is mostly due to her relationship with Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Additionally, she can be pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and also seeks Ren for help, causing him to devote his time to her and make the rift between him and Nana O. wider

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** Reira is also not very liked well-liked by the audience. This audience for several reasons. One of the biggest reasons, at least in the West, is mostly due to because of her relationship with Shin, which Shin. In the 2010s, age-gap relationships and power imbalances began to be more heavily scrutinized, and as a result, Reira and Shin's relationship is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Additionally, she can be {{Squick}}. Despite that Reira is pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is.is, they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and also seeks Ren for help, causing him to devote his time to her and make the rift between him and Nana O. widerwider.



*** After Nana O. and Ren's relationship gets leaked to the press, Nana K.'s first instinct is to go to room 707 to protect Nana O. Takumi refuses and the two get into an argument. When she calls Junko and Kyosuke to vent about this, Kyosuke calmly tells her that Takumi's decision is the better one, as Nana K. could accidentally cause more unwanted media attention due to being both Nana O.'s roommate ''and'' Takumi's fiancee.
** Junko discussing why Nana K. and Shoji's relationship fell apart has been a sort of contention within the fandom, because she comes off as UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming for Nana K and also refuses to take a side, even though Shoji was clearly in the wrong. However, she ''is'' right that there were many problems in Nana K. and Shoji's relationship already that a break-up was pretty much inevitable, whether or not he had cheated.

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*** After Nana O. and Ren's relationship gets leaked to the press, Nana K.'s first instinct is to go to room 707 to protect Nana O. Takumi refuses to let her, and the two get into an argument. When she calls Junko and Kyosuke to vent about this, Kyosuke calmly tells her that Takumi's decision is the better one, as Nana K. could accidentally cause more unwanted media attention due to being both Nana O.'s roommate ''and'' Takumi's fiancee.
** Junko discussing why Nana K. and Shoji's relationship fell apart has been a sort of contention within the fandom, because she comes off as UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming for Nana K and also refuses to take a side, even though Shoji was clearly in the wrong. However, she ''is'' right that there were many problems in Nana K. and Shoji's relationship already that a break-up was pretty much inevitable, whether or not he had cheated.
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* AmericansHateTingle: It was at one point the best-selling manga in Japan, had a 52-episode anime, and had its own live-action movie. Outside of Japan? It doesn't get discussed much. It has its fans, especially due to the PseudoRomanticFriendship attracting yuri fans, but is overshadowed by more popular shoujo series.

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* IdiotPlot: A lot of the drama stems from the two Nanas either making one questionable decision after the other or misunderstanding the other's intentions.
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** However, throughout the years, the hate towards [[BastardBoyfriend Takumi]] has started to flock up with both Hachi/Nobu and Hachi/Nana shippers beating on him as a horrible asshole who should just leave Hachi alone so she can be with someone who'll treat her well. Although unlike most examples, the hate towards Takumi is definitely not as unwarranted considering [[JerkAss he really isn't a pleasant person]] and did make things more complicated.

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** However, throughout the years, the hate towards [[BastardBoyfriend [[DomesticAbuse Takumi]] has started to flock up with both Hachi/Nobu and Hachi/Nana shippers beating on him as a horrible asshole who should just leave Hachi alone so she can be with someone who'll treat her well. Although unlike most examples, the hate towards Takumi is definitely not as unwarranted considering [[JerkAss he really isn't a pleasant person]] and did make things more complicated.



** Takumi. Big time. Interestingly enough, this is a more recent sentiment - back then, hate towards Takumi wasn't as vocal, but today, most ''Nana'' fans, even old ones, utterly despise him and wished he would be written out of the story and finally leave Hachi alone. For [[JerkAss valid]] [[BastardBoyfriend reasons]], or for [[DieForOurShip shipping reasons]].

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** Takumi. Big time. Interestingly enough, this is a more recent sentiment - back then, hate towards Takumi wasn't as vocal, but today, most ''Nana'' fans, even old ones, utterly despise him and wished he would be written out of the story and finally leave Hachi alone. For [[JerkAss valid]] [[BastardBoyfriend valid reasons]], or for [[DieForOurShip shipping reasons]].
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: The manga is meant to be shoujo, but it's often been mistaken for {{josei}} due to most of the characters being young adults and its depiction of romance being more realistic and grounded than most manga aimed at teenage girls.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** While Nana K. is well-loved for being realistic, she also gets criticism for being a NaiveEverygirl and, especially, [[spoiler:her decision to choose Takumi over Nobu when she gets pregnant]].
** Junko may act like the GreekChorus and shares the same frustrations the audience has with Nana K., but she can be BrutallyHonest and harsh on her as well. The fanbase has particularly criticized her for how she handled Nana K. and Shoji's break-up, as her comments about how Nana K. didn't "love" Shoji as much as Sachiko did, seemed on par with UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. She also lectures Nana K. and tells her that it's her fault that [[spoiler:she got pregnant, as she never demanded Takumi use condoms]].
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** Junko discussing why Nana K. and Shoji's relationship fell apart has been a sort of contention within the fandom, because she comes off as VictimBlaming for Nana K and also refuses to take a side, even after Shoji was clearly in the wrong. However, she ''is'' right that there were many problems in Nana K. and Shoji's relationship already that a break-up was pretty much inevitable, whether or not Shoji had cheated.

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** Junko discussing why Nana K. and Shoji's relationship fell apart has been a sort of contention within the fandom, because she comes off as VictimBlaming UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming for Nana K and also refuses to take a side, even after though Shoji was clearly in the wrong. However, she ''is'' right that there were many problems in Nana K. and Shoji's relationship already that a break-up was pretty much inevitable, whether or not Shoji he had cheated.

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** Reira is also not very liked by the audience. This is mostly due to her relationship with Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Additionally, she can be pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and also seeks Ren for help, causing him to devote his time to her and make the rift between him and Nana O. wider.

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** Reira is also not very liked by the audience. This is mostly due to her relationship with Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Additionally, she can be pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and also seeks Ren for help, causing him to devote his time to her and make the rift between him and Nana O. wider.wider
* StrawmanHasAPoint:
** Takumi may have made some contentious decisions, but he's rational and right about a lot of things.
*** After Nana O. and Ren's relationship gets leaked to the press, Nana K.'s first instinct is to go to room 707 to protect Nana O. Takumi refuses and the two get into an argument. When she calls Junko and Kyosuke to vent about this, Kyosuke calmly tells her that Takumi's decision is the better one, as Nana K. could accidentally cause more unwanted media attention due to being both Nana O.'s roommate ''and'' Takumi's fiancee.
** Junko discussing why Nana K. and Shoji's relationship fell apart has been a sort of contention within the fandom, because she comes off as VictimBlaming for Nana K and also refuses to take a side, even after Shoji was clearly in the wrong. However, she ''is'' right that there were many problems in Nana K. and Shoji's relationship already that a break-up was pretty much inevitable, whether or not Shoji had cheated.
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** Reira is also not very liked by the audience, mostly due to her relationship with Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Like Takumi, another part of it would be because of DieForOurShip, as she has feelings for Takumi and a strong friendship with Ren. In addition, [[spoiler:Ren was intending to pick her up before going to apologize to Nana O., but died before he reached either of them.]]

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** Reira is also not very liked by the audience, audience. This is mostly due to her relationship with Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Like Takumi, another part of it would be because of DieForOurShip, as Additionally, she has feelings for can be pretty naive and immature to the point that Shin is more mature than she is. Furthermore, after they break up, Reira immediately tries to pursue a relationship with Takumi despite knowing he's married and a strong friendship with Ren. In addition, [[spoiler:Ren was intending also seeks Ren for help, causing him to pick devote his time to her up before going to apologize to and make the rift between him and Nana O., but died before he reached either of them.]]O. wider.

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** ''Everything'' sung by Music/AnnaTsuchiya and Music/{{Olivia}}, who provided inspired songs that were used in the anime (as OP themes, ED themes, and insert songs) for their respective counterparts (punk-styled rock for Nana and the Black Stones, and alternative rock for Reira and Trapnest), such as Tsuchiya's "Kuroi Namida" and Olivia's "Wish".

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** ''Everything'' "Everything" sung by Music/AnnaTsuchiya and Music/{{Olivia}}, who provided inspired songs that were used in the anime (as OP themes, ED themes, and insert songs) for their respective counterparts (punk-styled rock for Nana and the Black Stones, and alternative rock for Reira and Trapnest), such as Tsuchiya's "Kuroi Namida" and Olivia's "Wish".



* TheScrappy: Takumi. Big time. Interestingly enough, this is a more recent sentiment - back then, hate towards Takumi wasn't as vocal, but today, most Nana fans, even old ones, utterly despise him and wished he would be written out of the story and finally leave Hachi alone. For [[JerkAss valid]] [[BastardBoyfriend reasons]], or for [[DieForOurShip shipping reasons]].

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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Takumi. Big time. Interestingly enough, this is a more recent sentiment - back then, hate towards Takumi wasn't as vocal, but today, most Nana ''Nana'' fans, even old ones, utterly despise him and wished he would be written out of the story and finally leave Hachi alone. For [[JerkAss valid]] [[BastardBoyfriend reasons]], or for [[DieForOurShip shipping reasons]].reasons]].
** Reira is also not very liked by the audience, mostly due to her relationship with Shin, which is seen as a source of {{Squick}} as they were 22 and 15 years old respectively when they first start having sex. Like Takumi, another part of it would be because of DieForOurShip, as she has feelings for Takumi and a strong friendship with Ren. In addition, [[spoiler:Ren was intending to pick her up before going to apologize to Nana O., but died before he reached either of them.]]
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Hachi basically turns this into an Olympic sport.

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* %%* StrangledByTheRedString: Hachi basically turns this into an Olympic sport.
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** TruthInTelevision plays a role here: while every character does make questionable and outright bad decisions, they all remain within the distinct characterizations (and rely upon each character's unique FatalFlaw) that Aizawa has previously established.

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