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* FriendlyFandoms: There is an overlap of the NCT fanbase with the fanbases of other SM boy groups such as Music/{{Shinee}} and Music/{{EXO}}. It helps that the NCT members are also fans of these groups and consider them as their role models. It even gets better when Music/SuperM (a collaborative boy band composed of four NCT members, two EXO members, and one Shinee member) was formed which merged the fanbases together and helped introduce them to the other groups.

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There is an overlap of the NCT fanbase with the fanbases of other SM boy groups such as Music/{{Shinee}} and Music/{{EXO}}. It helps that the NCT members are also fans of these groups and consider them as their role models. It even gets better when Music/SuperM (a collaborative boy band composed of four NCT members, two EXO members, and one Shinee member) was formed which merged the fanbases together and helped introduce them to the other groups.
** NCT fanbase also overlaps with the RIIZE fanbase due to the two previous NCT members, Sungchan and Shotaro. Some fans even considered RIIZE as another NCT subunit despite the different concept.
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** Sungchan and Shotaro departing from NCT to join RIIZE caused a huge division among the fandom. One group was dismayed because they expected them to be part of the Japan sub-unit given that they stayed in NCT for 3 years without being a part of any sub-unit and found their departure to be a huge loss. Other fans were fine about it because they, just like the other NCT members (e.g. Winwin, Kun, Yuta) were severely neglected by S.M. Entertainment as they weren't given much activity aside from NCT U comebacks and found their departure to be a blessing because they looked much happier when they were in RIIZE.

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** Sungchan and Shotaro departing from NCT to join RIIZE caused a huge division among the fandom. One group was dismayed because they expected them to be part of the Japan sub-unit given that they stayed in NCT for 3 years without being a part of any sub-unit and found their departure to be a huge loss. Other fans were fine about it because they, just like the other NCT members (e.g. Winwin, Kun, Yuta) Yuta), were severely neglected by S.M. SM Entertainment as they weren't given much activity aside from NCT U comebacks and found their departure to be a blessing in disguise because they looked much happier when they were in RIIZE.
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%%BrokenBase requires a waiting period of 6 months before addition. Please refrain ** Sungchan and Shotaro departing from adding an entry until November 2023.NCT to join RIIZE caused a huge division among the fandom. One group was dismayed because they expected them to be part of the Japan sub-unit given that they stayed in NCT for 3 years without being a part of any sub-unit and found their departure to be a huge loss. Other fans were fine about it because they, just like the other NCT members (e.g. Winwin, Kun, Yuta) were severely neglected by S.M. Entertainment as they weren't given much activity aside from NCT U comebacks and found their departure to be a blessing because they looked much happier when they were in RIIZE.

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** [=NCTzens=] with NCT's music, particularly their "noisy" title tracks. Some find the songs to be "too experimental", while some enjoy how unique NCT's music is.
*** A notable example is NCT 127's "Sticker", featuring… an interestingly-played flute. While some loved its quirk, others pretty much [[HellIsThatNoise found it annoying]].

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** [=NCTzens=] with NCT's music, particularly their "noisy" title tracks. Some find the songs to be "too experimental", while some enjoy how unique NCT's music is.
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is. A notable example is NCT 127's "Sticker", featuring… featuring an interestingly-played flute. While some loved its quirk, others pretty much [[HellIsThatNoise found it annoying]].annoying.
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*** The song is proved to be CriticProof as it went on to become NCT 127's second highest-charting single in South Korea. The number one is "Ay-Yo", which in turn is also a case of LoveItOrHateIt.
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** Jaehyun's [[https://twitter.com/soompi/status/1262264331988692992?s=20 Itaewon Scandal]]. After he was revealed to have bar-hopped in Itaewon during the early months of COVID-19, both fans and the general public highly criticized him. It led to [[AudienceAlienatingEra fans leaving him]]: they trashed his merchandises, sent death threats to his family, and harassed him on his Instagram account to the point that he became inactive on social media for a few months. Other fans immediately came to his defense, explaining that some parts of the reports regarding his scandal were false and exaggerated. Despite the controversy, however, [[https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1273344032375287810?s=20 Jaehyun remains as one of the most popular members of the group]].

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** Jaehyun's [[https://twitter.com/soompi/status/1262264331988692992?s=20 Itaewon Scandal]]. After he was revealed to have bar-hopped in Itaewon during the early months of COVID-19, both fans and the general public highly criticized him. It led to [[AudienceAlienatingEra his AudienceAlienatingEra: his own fans leaving him]]: they trashed his merchandises, sent death threats to his family, and harassed him on his Instagram account to the point that he became inactive on social media for a few months. Other fans immediately came to his defense, explaining that some parts of the reports regarding his scandal were false and exaggerated. Despite the controversy, however, [[https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1273344032375287810?s=20 Jaehyun remains as one of the most popular members of the group]].
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* NoBudget: [[AvertedTrope Averted]] following SM Entertainment's reconstruction in early 2023. The increase in budget is most obvious in the teasers, promotions, and music videos for NCT DOJAEJUNG's "Perfume" and NCT DREAM's "ISTJ".

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* NoBudget: [[AvertedTrope Averted]] following SM Entertainment's reconstruction in early 2023. The increase in budget is most obvious in the teasers, promotions, and music videos for NCT DOJAEJUNG's "Perfume" and "Perfume", NCT DREAM's "ISTJ"."ISTJ", and NCT 127's "Fact Check".
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* SignatureSong: "Black On Black" for the entire NCT brand, but in terms of sub-units:
** "Kick It" for NCT 127.
** "Hot Sauce" or "Hello Future" for NCT DREAM.
** "Love Talk" for [=WayV=].
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* WinBackTheCrowd: NCT started with well-received music: "The 7th Sense", "Chewing Gum", and "Limitless". Over time, the group (or NCT 127, specifically) found their own sound through experimental hip-hop, which resulted to quite a bit of bad music reputation in the court of [[InternetJerk internet opinion]]. That's all until NCT DOJAEJUNG's debut single "Perfume"; even non fans who openly criticize NCT's music admit that this song could be the best K-pop release in 2023.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: NCT actually started with well-received music: "The 7th Sense", "Chewing Gum", and "Limitless". Over time, the group (or NCT 127, specifically) found their own sound through experimental hip-hop, which resulted to quite a bit of bad music reputation in the court of [[InternetJerk internet opinion]]. That's all until NCT DOJAEJUNG's debut single "Perfume"; even non fans who openly criticize NCT's music admit that this song could be the best K-pop release in of 2023.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: NCT has earned quite a bit of bad music (or at least bad lead singles) reputation in the court of [[InternetJerk internet opinion]], but NCT DOJAEJUNG's debut single "Perfume" became a complete turn-around. Even non fans who openly criticize NCT's music admit that "Perfume" could be the best release by a K-pop boy group in 2023.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: NCT has earned started with well-received music: "The 7th Sense", "Chewing Gum", and "Limitless". Over time, the group (or NCT 127, specifically) found their own sound through experimental hip-hop, which resulted to quite a bit of bad music (or at least bad lead singles) reputation in the court of [[InternetJerk internet opinion]], but opinion]]. That's all until NCT DOJAEJUNG's debut single "Perfume" became a complete turn-around. Even "Perfume"; even non fans who openly criticize NCT's music admit that "Perfume" this song could be the best K-pop release by a K-pop boy group in 2023.

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* MemeticMutation:
** "HOW MANY ___?" Perhaps the most popular meme both inside and outside the NCT fandom, this is used when the numbers '''1''', '''2''', and '''7''', a.k.a. NCT 127, appear in various situations.[[note]]Example: Music/{{Beyonce}}'s one-month gross for her concert tour was reported to be $127.6 million. Just look at the quotes for [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1694772104087097572?s=20 one of the posts]] about it. Or [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1536779701829500928?s=20 this one]] about [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethII Queen Elizabeth II]]. [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1672540884288655360?s=20 This one]] too.[[/note]]
** Their highly sexual-sounding songs[[note]]for example, "Whiplash" and the official English versions, such as "Make a Wish" and its notorious lines like "I like my donuts with jam in the middle"[[/note]] being about... [[BlatantLies their sisters]], the go-to excuse. Girl power.
** "You gotta seize the opportunity."[[note]] An iconic yet infamous quote from Mark during a promotion video for the Neo City Tour, said while making a rather... ''interesting'' face.[[/note]]
** "I lived in America for four years! That's why I'm here, man." Jaehyun's PissTakeRap in the English promotional SM Rookies video is constantly referenced in every instance Jaehyun is speaking English. Can be a case of HumorDissonance considering how old this joke is.
** "My dad knew I liked [coffee] beans, so he was just playing with beans, and then he dropped it, and then he dropped a rock, and then it slid, and then hot water started falling, and then coffee."[[note]] Johnny explaining the origin of coffee in A Cup Of Coffee Part 2.[[/note]]
** Jaehyun on Instagram live: "''[[https://twitter.com/Hi_Sssstarlene/status/1548314298614960129?s=20 Wait a minute...]]'' '''SCREENSHOT'''"
** "[[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F1s090lf7fvo71.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0c5af6af71a81fd8950da39b9c49ddbc82038abb NCTzen 1, 2, 3, and 4]]"[[note]]Referring to [=NCTzens=] having divided opinions on different things, usually about NCT songs.[[/note]]
** Doyoung practicing "''Now I knooow''" during the recording session for "90's Love".[[note]]Mostly used by K-pop fans who are just finding out about their idols' government names.[[/note]]
** Jaemin: "Wow! So sexy!"[[note]]Often used by fans as a reaction video.[[/note]]
** Johnny: "Hey, what are you doing?"[[note]]Used in videos where a sexy act is about to ensue... until a wild Johnny appears.[[/note]]
** IJBOL[[note]]AcronymAndAbbreviationOverload for "I just bursted out laughing"[[/note]] vs. IDGAF[[note]]stans for "I don't give a fuck"[[/note]], referring to the members' contrasting expressions in [[https://web.archive.org/web/20231001102017/https://twitter.com/haechanprints/status/1674305148410281984?s=20 this interview]].

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* MemeticMutation:
** "HOW MANY ___?" Perhaps the most popular meme both inside and outside the NCT fandom, this is used when the numbers '''1''', '''2''', and '''7''', a.k.a. NCT 127, appear in various situations.[[note]]Example: Music/{{Beyonce}}'s one-month gross for her concert tour was reported to be $127.6 million. Just look at the quotes for [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1694772104087097572?s=20 one of the posts]] about it. Or [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1536779701829500928?s=20 this one]] about [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethII Queen Elizabeth II]]. [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1672540884288655360?s=20 This one]] too.[[/note]]
** Their highly sexual-sounding songs[[note]]for example, "Whiplash" and the official English versions, such as "Make a Wish" and
MemeticMutation: [[Memes/{{NCT}} Has its notorious lines like "I like my donuts with jam in the middle"[[/note]] being about... [[BlatantLies their sisters]], the go-to excuse. Girl power.
** "You gotta seize the opportunity."[[note]] An iconic yet infamous quote from Mark during a promotion video for the Neo City Tour, said while making a rather... ''interesting'' face.[[/note]]
** "I lived in America for four years! That's why I'm here, man." Jaehyun's PissTakeRap in the English promotional SM Rookies video is constantly referenced in every instance Jaehyun is speaking English. Can be a case of HumorDissonance considering how old this joke is.
** "My dad knew I liked [coffee] beans, so he was just playing with beans, and then he dropped it, and then he dropped a rock, and then it slid, and then hot water started falling, and then coffee."[[note]] Johnny explaining the origin of coffee in A Cup Of Coffee Part 2.[[/note]]
** Jaehyun on Instagram live: "''[[https://twitter.com/Hi_Sssstarlene/status/1548314298614960129?s=20 Wait a minute...]]'' '''SCREENSHOT'''"
** "[[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F1s090lf7fvo71.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0c5af6af71a81fd8950da39b9c49ddbc82038abb NCTzen 1, 2, 3, and 4]]"[[note]]Referring to [=NCTzens=] having divided opinions on different things, usually about NCT songs.[[/note]]
** Doyoung practicing "''Now I knooow''" during the recording session for "90's Love".[[note]]Mostly used by K-pop fans who are just finding out about their idols' government names.[[/note]]
** Jaemin: "Wow! So sexy!"[[note]]Often used by fans as a reaction video.[[/note]]
** Johnny: "Hey, what are you doing?"[[note]]Used in videos where a sexy act is about to ensue... until a wild Johnny appears.[[/note]]
** IJBOL[[note]]AcronymAndAbbreviationOverload for "I just bursted out laughing"[[/note]] vs. IDGAF[[note]]stans for "I don't give a fuck"[[/note]], referring to the members' contrasting expressions in [[https://web.archive.org/web/20231001102017/https://twitter.com/haechanprints/status/1674305148410281984?s=20 this interview]].
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** [[https://x.com/aquariusjjh/status/1703363733320618057?s=20 Basically]] [[https://twitter.com/JYONG147/status/1700107165812642172?s=20 everything]] [[https://twitter.com/LOOKSJAEYONG/status/1629737765536686080?s=20 that]] [[https://twitter.com/milkandjaehyun/status/1702266670851780947?s=20 Jaehyun]] [[https://twitter.com/ncthings24hours/status/1677272601306226690?s=20 and]] [[https://twitter.com/JYONG147/status/1689996367567953921?s=20 Taeyong]] [[https://twitter.com/yunotized/status/1699761037816598535?s=20 do]] [[https://twitter.com/valentyongf_/status/1696480467393155122?s=20 together]].

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** [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/aquariusjjh/status/1703363733320618057?s=20 Basically]] [[https://twitter.com/JYONG147/status/1700107165812642172?s=20 everything]] [[https://twitter.com/LOOKSJAEYONG/status/1629737765536686080?s=20 that]] [[https://twitter.com/milkandjaehyun/status/1702266670851780947?s=20 Jaehyun]] [[https://twitter.com/ncthings24hours/status/1677272601306226690?s=20 and]] [[https://twitter.com/JYONG147/status/1689996367567953921?s=20 Taeyong]] [[https://twitter.com/yunotized/status/1699761037816598535?s=20 do]] [[https://twitter.com/valentyongf_/status/1696480467393155122?s=20 together]].



** IJBOL[[note]]AcronymAndAbbreviationOverload for "I just bursted out laughing"[[/note]] vs. IDGAF[[note]]stans for "I don't give a fuck"[[/note]], referring to the members' contrasting expressions in [[https://twitter.com/haechanprints/status/1674305148410281984?s=20 this clip]].

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** IJBOL[[note]]AcronymAndAbbreviationOverload for "I just bursted out laughing"[[/note]] vs. IDGAF[[note]]stans for "I don't give a fuck"[[/note]], referring to the members' contrasting expressions in [[https://twitter.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20231001102017/https://twitter.com/haechanprints/status/1674305148410281984?s=20 this clip]].interview]].
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* FandomRivalry: [[FeudingFamilies [=NCTzens=] with one another]]. Examples are:

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* FandomRivalry: [[FeudingFamilies [[SiblingRivalry [=NCTzens=] with one another]]. Examples are:

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* FandomRivalry: [[FeudingFamilies [=NCTzens=] with one another]]. The rivalries within the fandom itself are so intense that even fans of other K-pop groups are confused. Examples are:

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** IJBOL[[note]]AcronymAndAbbreviationOverload for "I just bursted out laughing"[[/note]] vs. IDGAF[[note]]stans for "I don't give a fuck"[[/note]], referring to the members' contrasting expressions in [[https://twitter.com/haechanprints/status/1674305148410281984?s=20 this clip]].
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* DanceSensation: As a performance-based K-pop BoyBand, this is expected.
** Taeyong's finger movements for the chorus of "Kick It". ''New thangs.. new thangs''.
** "Hot Sauce", thanks to the rise of dance challenges on Website/TikTok where K-pop idols would promote their songs by dancing to it with other idols.
** Perhaps the most unexpected one on this list: [[https://twitter.com/lloveutoday2/status/1647555932237492225?s=20 Jaehyun's hook dance in "Perfume"]], a.k.a ''Jiteun nongdoe''. No, it was never meant to be the song's official dance challenge, it just naturally went viral mostly due to his line's catchiness and his stage presence.
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** Perhaps the most unexpected one on this list: Jaehyun's hook dance in "Perfume", a.k.a ''Jiteun nongdoe''. No, it was never meant to be the song's official dance challenge, it just naturally went viral mostly due to his line's catchiness and his stage presence.

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** Perhaps the most unexpected one on this list: [[https://twitter.com/lloveutoday2/status/1647555932237492225?s=20 Jaehyun's hook dance in "Perfume", "Perfume"]], a.k.a ''Jiteun nongdoe''. No, it was never meant to be the song's official dance challenge, it just naturally went viral mostly due to his line's catchiness and his stage presence.
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** Perhaps the most unexpected one on this list: Jaehyun's hook dance in "Perfume", a.k.a ''Jiteun nongdoe''. No, it was never meant to be the song's official dance challenge, it just naturally went viral thanks to his stage presence in a pre-released performance.

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** Perhaps the most unexpected one on this list: Jaehyun's hook dance in "Perfume", a.k.a ''Jiteun nongdoe''. No, it was never meant to be the song's official dance challenge, it just naturally went viral thanks mostly due to his line's catchiness and his stage presence in a pre-released performance.presence.

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** And it happened again with NCT DREAM's "Hot Sauce" for the same category at the same award show. ''Sigh.''

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** And it happened again with NCT DREAM's "Hot Sauce" for the same category at the same award show. ''Sigh.''


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* DanceSensation: As a performance-based K-pop BoyBand, this is expected.
** Taeyong's finger movements for the chorus of "Kick It". ''New thangs.. new thangs''.
** "Hot Sauce", thanks to the rise of dance challenges on Website/TikTok where K-pop idols would promote their songs by dancing to it with other idols.
** Perhaps the most unexpected one on this list: Jaehyun's hook dance in "Perfume", a.k.a ''Jiteun nongdoe''. No, it was never meant to be the song's official dance challenge, it just naturally went viral thanks to his stage presence in a pre-released performance.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: NCT 2020 was their most successful full-group project so far, but it was also the same era where multiple members' politically incorrect and problematic behaviors went viral on social media. As majority of the K-pop fandom are MoralGuardians, it doesn't come as a surprise that some fans and casual listeners turned on the group.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: NCT 2020 was their most successful full-group project so far, but it was also the same era where multiple members' politically incorrect and problematic behaviors went viral on social media. As majority of the K-pop fandom are MoralGuardians, it doesn't come as a surprise that some fans and casual listeners turned on strayed from the group.group.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: NCT 2020 was their most successful full-group project so far, but it was also the same era where multiple members' [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain not so PC]] behaviors went viral on social media. There were so many "exposing [insert NCT member]" tweets to the point that some fans (and casual listeners) strayed from the group.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: NCT 2020 was their most successful full-group project so far, but it was also the same era where multiple members' [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain not so PC]] politically incorrect and problematic behaviors went viral on social media. There were so many "exposing [insert NCT member]" tweets to As majority of the point K-pop fandom are MoralGuardians, it doesn't come as a surprise that some fans (and and casual listeners) strayed from listeners turned on the group.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Many people assumed that NCT would flop [[AudienceAlienatingPremise due to their confusing concept of limitless members and divided sub-units]]. While a lot of K-pop fans are indeed being held back from getting into the group for this very reason, NCT still managed to become one of the most successful K-pop acts today, both domestically and internationally.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Many people K-pop fans assumed that NCT would flop [[AudienceAlienatingPremise due to their confusing concept of limitless members and divided sub-units]]. While a lot of K-pop fans people are indeed being held back from getting into the group for this very reason, NCT still managed to become one of the most successful K-pop acts today, both domestically and internationally.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Many people assumed that NCT would flop [[AudienceAlienatingPremise due to their confusing concept of limitless members and divided sub-units]]. While a lot of K-pop fans are indeed being held back from stanning the group for this very reason, NCT still managed to become one of the most successful K-pop acts today, both domestically and internationally.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Many people assumed that NCT would flop [[AudienceAlienatingPremise due to their confusing concept of limitless members and divided sub-units]]. While a lot of K-pop fans are indeed being held back from stanning getting into the group for this very reason, NCT still managed to become one of the most successful K-pop acts today, both domestically and internationally.

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** [[https://x.com/aquariusjjh/status/1703363733320618057?s=20 Basically]] [[https://x.com/JYONG147/status/1700107165812642172?s=20 everything]] [[https://x.com/LOOKSJAEYONG/status/1629737765536686080?s=20 that]] [[https://x.com/milkandjaehyun/status/1702266670851780947?s=20 Jaehyun]] [[https://x.com/ncthings24hours/status/1677272601306226690?s=20 and]] [[https://x.com/JYONG147/status/1689996367567953921?s=20 Taeyong]] [[https://x.com/yunotized/status/1699761037816598535?s=20 do]] [[https://x.com/valentyongf_/status/1696480467393155122?s=20 together]].

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** [[https://x.com/aquariusjjh/status/1703363733320618057?s=20 Basically]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/JYONG147/status/1700107165812642172?s=20 everything]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/LOOKSJAEYONG/status/1629737765536686080?s=20 that]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/milkandjaehyun/status/1702266670851780947?s=20 Jaehyun]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/ncthings24hours/status/1677272601306226690?s=20 and]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/JYONG147/status/1689996367567953921?s=20 Taeyong]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/yunotized/status/1699761037816598535?s=20 do]] [[https://x.[[https://twitter.com/valentyongf_/status/1696480467393155122?s=20 together]].


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** "HOW MANY ___?" Perhaps the most popular meme both inside and outside the NCT fandom, this is used when the numbers '''1''', '''2''', and '''7''', a.k.a. NCT 127, appear in various situations.[[note]]Example: Music/{{Beyonce}}'s one-month gross for her concert tour was reported to be $127.6 million. Just look at the quotes for [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1694772104087097572?s=20 one of the posts]] about it. Or [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1536779701829500928?s=20 this one]] about [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethII Queen Elizabeth II]]. [[https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1672540884288655360?s=20 This one]] too.[[/note]]

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* WinBackTheCrowd: NCT has earned quite a bit of bad music (or at least bad lead singles) reputation in the court of [[InternetJerk internet opinion]], but NCT DOJAEJUNG's debut single "Perfume" became a complete turn-around. Even non-fans who don't listen to NCT admit that Perfume could be the best release by a K-pop boy group in 2023.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: NCT has earned quite a bit of bad music (or at least bad lead singles) reputation in the court of [[InternetJerk internet opinion]], but NCT DOJAEJUNG's debut single "Perfume" became a complete turn-around. Even non-fans non fans who don't listen to NCT openly criticize NCT's music admit that Perfume "Perfume" could be the best release by a K-pop boy group in 2023.2023.
** Not only the song, but the entire ''Perfume'' album itself is widely praised by both fans and non fans.

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