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Removing first person writing and mass natter.
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* DesignatedHero: I got some of this vibe from Frieder. For all his liberal leanings he seemed obsessed with blood and status, and didn't seem to care for the little people on his side the way Erik did. The fact that his men died while trying to protect him from Morgenregen's home intrusion doesn't seem to bother him at all, because fairy princess you guys!
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* DesignatedHero: I got some of this vibe from Frieder. For all his liberal leanings he seemed obsessed with blood and status, and didn't seem to care for the little people on his side the way Erik did. The fact that his men died while trying to protect him from Morgenregen's home intrusion doesn't seem to bother him at all, because fairy princess you guys!all.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: If blood was such an absolute bar for succession to the throne Eider and his wife should never have adopted a foundling of unknown lineage, especially as their first child. Give him a home at Wirtenhammer as a servant or foster child, maybe find him a good family, but to call him son and then tell him he doesn't really count because of his blood? Eider has no one but himself to blame for Erik's resentment.
** This probably belongs in WMG, but my speculation is that Erik is actually not a foundling but rather Eider's illegitimate son. It just seems so unlikely that a king would give some random unknown orphan the power and prestige of a first son. It makes better sense that Eider pushed for it because he knew or strongly suspected Erik was his son. This would make Erik a BastardBastard.
** This probably belongs in WMG, but my speculation is that Erik is actually not a foundling but rather Eider's illegitimate son. It just seems so unlikely that a king would give some random unknown orphan the power and prestige of a first son. It makes better sense that Eider pushed for it because he knew or strongly suspected Erik was his son. This would make Erik a BastardBastard.
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* LawfulEvil: Erik really is law-abiding to a fault. Or rather, draconian about it to a fault.
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elaborated the LE part
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* LawfulEvil: Erik, arguably.
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* LawfulEvil: Erik, arguably.Erik really is law-abiding to a fault. Or rather, draconian about it to a fault.
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speculation about Erik
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** This probably belongs in WMG, but my speculation is that Erik is actually not a foundling but rather Eider's illegitimate son. It just seems so unlikely that a king would give some random unknown orphan the power and prestige of a first son. It makes better sense that Eider pushed for it because he knew or strongly suspected Erik was his son. This would make Erik a BastardBastard.
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* DesignatedHero: I got some of this vibe from Frieder. For all his liberal leanings he seemed somewhat obsessed with blood and status, and didn't seem to care for the little people on his side the way Erik did. The fact that his men died while trying to protect him from an invasion doesn't seem to bother him at all because ''fairy princess.''
* JerkassDissonance: Erik, for the above-stated reasons.
* Lawful Evil: Erik.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream "good ruler material," either.
* JerkassDissonance: Erik, for the above-stated reasons.
* Lawful Evil: Erik.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream "good ruler material," either.
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* DesignatedHero: I got some of this vibe from Frieder. For all his liberal leanings he seemed somewhat obsessed with blood and status, and didn't seem to care for the little people on his side the way Erik did. The fact that his men died while trying to protect him from an invasion Morgenregen's home intrusion doesn't seem to bother him at all all, because ''fairy princess.''
fairy princess you guys!
* JerkassDissonance:Erik, Erik may be a jerk, but it's hard not to feel for the above-stated reasons.
way he's rejected outright for the throne by his father--not because he's TheEvilPrince who seems to delight in DisproportionateRetribution, which is actually a valid reason, but because Frieder is ''blood.'' Of course it was a common enough mindset in the period depicted, leading to ValuesDissonance.
*Lawful Evil: Erik.
LawfulEvil: Erik, arguably.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: If blood was such an absolute bar for succession to the throne Eider and his wife should never have adopted a foundling of unknown lineage, especially as their first child. Give him a home at Wirtenhammer as a servant or foster child, maybe find him a good family, but to call him son and then tell him he doesn't really count because of his blood? Eider has no one but himself to blame for Erik's resentment.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream"good good ruler material," either.material, either.
* ValuesDissonance: Frieder's being a classist snob by modern standards is a good example.
** Eider's insistence that only Frieder can be heir, even though Erik is his eldest "son" through adoption.
** Erik's actions in Schallenberg would make him an international criminal by today's standards, but just harsh by the standards of his own.
* JerkassDissonance:
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: If blood was such an absolute bar for succession to the throne Eider and his wife should never have adopted a foundling of unknown lineage, especially as their first child. Give him a home at Wirtenhammer as a servant or foster child, maybe find him a good family, but to call him son and then tell him he doesn't really count because of his blood? Eider has no one but himself to blame for Erik's resentment.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream
* ValuesDissonance: Frieder's being a classist snob by modern standards is a good example.
** Eider's insistence that only Frieder can be heir, even though Erik is his eldest "son" through adoption.
** Erik's actions in Schallenberg would make him an international criminal by today's standards, but just harsh by the standards of his own.
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typo!
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* UnintentianallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream "good ruler material," either.
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* UnintentianallySympathetic: UnintentionallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream "good ruler material," either.
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* DesignatedHero: I got some of this vibe from Frieder. For all his liberal leanings he seemed somewhat obsessed with blood and status, and didn't seem to care for the little people on his side the way Erik did. The fact that his men died while trying to protect him from an invasion doesn't seem to bother him at all because ''fairy princess.''
* JerkassDissonance: Erik, for the above-stated reasons.
* Lawful Evil: Erik.
* UnintentianallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream "good ruler material," either.
* JerkassDissonance: Erik, for the above-stated reasons.
* Lawful Evil: Erik.
* UnintentianallySympathetic: Erik. He seems to genuinely respect and value those under his authority the way Frieder is not shown to do. Of course, the way everyone outside his immediate circle can go to hell for all he cares doesn't exactly scream "good ruler material," either.
