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* {{Adorkable}}: Iris Clops. She's an avid fan of poetry and romanticism, with one of the cutest smiles on a cyclops girl you ever did see. The clumsiness also adds to the cuteness.

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Iris Clops. She's an avid fan of poetry and romanticism, with one of the cutest smiles on a cyclops girl you ever did see. The clumsiness also adds to the cuteness.cuteness.
** Jackson Jekyll is shy, awkward and studious, plays the Monster High equivalent of Dungeons and Dragons (granted, several other members of the male cast play it with him), and dresses like a very stereotypical nerd. Frankie and Clair, the goth girl from Ghouls Rule, both find him adorable. Holt Hyde also has a few moments of this, mostly when he's trying to flirt with Frankie.
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* DieForOurShip: Any new male character who gets any sort of ShipTease with Frankie, or even just has a crush on her, earns the ire of fans who ship her with Jackson/Holt. It doesn't help that the movies introduce these characters while other media like the books and toylines still ship Frankie with him/them.

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* DieForOurShip: Any new male character who gets any sort of ShipTease with Frankie, or even just has a crush on her, earns Despite the ire franchise being all about accepting your "freaky flaws", many Frankie/Jackson shippers give a lot of fans who ship her with Jackson/Holt. It doesn't help that hate towards Neighthan Rot (Frankie's love interest in the movies introduce these characters while other media like Freaky Fusion movie.) as well as Claire (Jackson's love interest in the books and toylines still ship Frankie with him/them. Ghouls Rule movie.)
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* UnfortunateCharacterDesign: [[https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81DyEpEVqTL._SL1500_.jpg Catty Noir]] was meant to resemble a black cat, but her bright pink lips against black skin has been criticized for looking more like a {{blackface}} caricature.

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* UnfortunateCharacterDesign: [[https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81DyEpEVqTL._SL1500_.jpg Catty Noir]] was meant to resemble a black cat, but her bright pink lips against black skin has been criticized for looking more like a {{blackface}} caricature. G3 somewhat tones down the resemblance by making her lips darker.
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* BrokenAesop: The main theme of Monster High is tolerance and acceptance, but that message falls flat when one looks at how [[FantasticRacism Jackson is treated.]] When he’s not being actively bullied, mistreated, or ignored for being a normie, people often trigger his shifts into Holt without his consent, or only invite him to things so Holt can DJ. Fans of the series, especially those with DID who relate to his dilemma, weren’t happy about how no one ever bothered to stand up for him or consider his feelings.
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* SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: New Ghoul In School, the game for the UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS, UsefulNotes/WiiU, UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}}, and UsefulNotes/PS3, fixes a lot of the problems the older games have, has a unique story, and has way more customization.

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* SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: New Ghoul In School, the game for the UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS, UsefulNotes/WiiU, UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}}, Platform/Nintendo3DS, Platform/WiiU, Platform/{{Xbox}}, and UsefulNotes/PS3, Platform/PS3, fixes a lot of the problems the older games have, has a unique story, and has way more customization.



* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: While, as mentioned on the main page, there are bits of story not seen elsewhere, the game for UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} and UsefulNotes/NintendoDS is seen as [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]], [[ItsShortSoItSucks too short]], the graphics look no better than a UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 game, limited choices to customize your monster character, and the fact that interaction with certain characters from the toyline can be limited at best. Fans were disappointed as a result of this.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: While, as mentioned on the main page, there are bits of story not seen elsewhere, the game for UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} Platform/{{Wii}} and UsefulNotes/NintendoDS Platform/NintendoDS is seen as [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]], [[ItsShortSoItSucks too short]], the graphics look no better than a UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 Platform/Nintendo64 game, limited choices to customize your monster character, and the fact that interaction with certain characters from the toyline can be limited at best. Fans were disappointed as a result of this.
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** Cleo displays symptoms of [[UsefulNotes/PersonalityDisorders Histrionic Personality Disorder]], in G1 moreso than the other incarnations. She speaks in an [Main/[{{Camp}} exaggerated manner]], seems very concerned about her appearance, acts confident but is insecure, is emotional and extroverted, and can be selfish at times although she’s a good person deep down. Plus, being stuck in a tomb with your BigSisterBully and strict, controlling father (many people with HPD report growing up with helicopter parents) for thousands of years, and after all of that, being constantly taunted by the person who could have saved you but chose not to would probably have some kind of psychological effect on you.

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** Cleo displays symptoms of [[UsefulNotes/PersonalityDisorders Histrionic Personality Disorder]], in G1 moreso than the other incarnations. She speaks in an [Main/[{{Camp}} [[{{Camp}} exaggerated manner]], seems very concerned about her appearance, acts confident but is insecure, is emotional and extroverted, and can be selfish at times although she’s a good person deep down. Plus, being stuck in a tomb with your BigSisterBully and strict, controlling father (many people with HPD report growing up with helicopter parents) for thousands of years, and after all of that, being constantly taunted by the person who could have saved you but chose not to would probably have some kind of psychological effect on you.
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** Cleo displays symptoms of [[UsefulNotes/PersonalityDisorders Histrionic Personality Disorder]], in G1 moreso than the other incarnations. She speaks in an [Main/[{{Camp}} exaggerated manner]], seems very concerned about her appearance, acts confident but is insecure, is emotional and extroverted, and can be selfish at times although she’s a good person deep down. Plus, being stuck in a tomb with your BigSisterBully and strict, controlling father (many people with HPD report growing up with helicopter parents) for thousands of years, and after all of that, being constantly taunted by the person who could have saved you but chose not to would probably have some kind of psychological effect on you.
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* CommonKnowledge: One of the more common criticisms thrown at G3 by detractors is that they lightened Clawdeen's skin tone across the whole line, but [[https://storygirl000.tumblr.com/post/697279204236165120 a cursory comparison]] of her G1 and G3 dolls shows that they have the same skin tone. This misconception likely stemmed from complaints about how Clawdeen's actress in the live-action movies was lighter-skinned than the character, which eventually warped into "G3 Clawdeen is lighter than the original".

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half the complaints about G2 and G3, even on this page, just boil down to "why isn't it just like G1?"
* WTHCastingAgency: An unusual example, with the "actors" being the characters chosen for certain doll lines. Frequently, completely random characters will be included in themed lines, and often, thematically appropriate characters will be omitted from said lines. Just some examples:

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half the complaints about G2 and G3, even on this page, just boil down to "why isn't it just like G1?"
* WTHCastingAgency:
QuestionableCasting: An unusual example, with the "actors" being the characters chosen for certain doll lines. Frequently, completely random characters will be included in themed lines, and often, thematically appropriate characters will be omitted from said lines. Just some examples:


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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half the complaints about G2 and G3, even on this page, just boil down to "why isn't it just like G1?"
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* EvilIsSexy: Toralei, Nefera, Moanica, Kieran, Lilith all have their fans for this exact reason, as do the [[EvilKnockoff Shadow Ghouls]] from ''13 Wishes''.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: The franchise, along with its spinoff Ever After High, hit this in the mid-2010s. In general, toys began switching from fashion dolls to small BlindBagCollectables, which left doll makers in trouble. Monster High and Ever After High ended up switching to a more "budget" style, using cheaper materials, decreasing the moveability of the dolls, and reusing accessories. Monster High also underwent a contentious reboot in 2016 which took a LighterAndSofter approach, making the faces more gentle, the outfits more modest and bright, and the bodies less skinny in an attempt to appeal to a younger audience, as well as shifting the core cast. This just alienated the existing fanbase who signed on for the edgy, creepy style and weren't as concerned with school-appropriate attire or realistic bodies and liked the cast setup as it was. These changes to both toylines ultimately ended up getting both series cancelled. Eventually, Monster High ended up with a reboot in 2022; while contentious with fans for other reasons, it's generally considered to be a return to form compared to the "budget" re-tool.



* AudienceAlienatingEra: The franchise, along with its spinoff Ever After High, hit this in the mid-2010s. In general, toys began switching from fashion dolls to small BlindBagCollectables, which left doll makers in trouble. Monster High and Ever After High ended up switching to a more "budget" style, using cheaper materials, decreasing the moveability of the dolls, and reusing accessories. Monster High also underwent a contentious reboot in 2016 which took a LighterAndSofter approach, making the faces more gentle, the outfits more modest and bright, and the bodies less skinny in an attempt to appeal to a younger audience, as well as shifting the core cast. This just alienated the existing fanbase who signed on for the edgy, creepy style and weren't as concerned with school-appropriate attire or realistic bodies and liked the cast setup as it was. These changes to both toylines ultimately ended up getting both series cancelled. Eventually, Monster High ended up with a reboot in 2022; while contentious with fans for other reasons, it's generally considered to be a return to form compared to the "budget" re-tool.
* AudienceAlienatingPremise:
** The main reason the Lisi Harrison series didn't do as well as hoped. It was too mature for young readers, older readers weren't interested in books based on dolls, and it was too InNameOnly to attract already existing fans of Monster High. Plus, it couldn't evade numerous [[FollowTheLeader comparisons]] to Literature/TheTwilightSaga.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: The franchise, along with its spinoff Ever After High, hit this in the mid-2010s. In general, toys began switching from fashion dolls to small BlindBagCollectables, which left doll makers in trouble. Monster High and Ever After High ended up switching to a more "budget" style, using cheaper materials, decreasing the moveability of the dolls, and reusing accessories. Monster High also underwent a contentious reboot in 2016 which took a LighterAndSofter approach, making the faces more gentle, the outfits more modest and bright, and the bodies less skinny in an attempt to appeal to a younger audience, as well as shifting the core cast. This just alienated the existing fanbase who signed on for the edgy, creepy style and weren't as concerned with school-appropriate attire or realistic bodies and liked the cast setup as it was. These changes to both toylines ultimately ended up getting both series cancelled. Eventually, Monster High ended up with a reboot in 2022; while contentious with fans for other reasons, it's generally considered to be a return to form compared to the "budget" re-tool.
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AudienceAlienatingPremise: The main reason the Lisi Harrison series didn't do as well as hoped. It was too mature for young readers, older readers weren't interested in books based on dolls, and it was too InNameOnly to attract already existing fans of Monster High. Plus, it couldn't evade numerous [[FollowTheLeader comparisons]] to Literature/TheTwilightSaga.
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* LGBTFanbase: ''Monster High'' has resonated with queer audiences due to its fabulous and over-the-top distinctive fashions and campy storytelling with a strong message of diversity and acceptance for being atypical. The brand's initial creator, Garrett Sander, tried (unsuccessfully) to provide explicit queer representation in the characters in G1 and fans embraced his intent, and G3 ''MH'' finally canonizes queer characters with examples like G3 Frankie Stein being nonbinary and teased in a pairing with Cleo, and G3 Deuce having two moms. The brand's collaborations with outside celebrities have also felt queer-focused, with the first licensed celebrity collector doll being based on Music/LadyGaga, and Creator/TrixieMattel voicing an implicit drag-queen character in G3.

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* ImprovedSecondAttempt: Overall, nobody would call G2 better than G1 due to its tonal changes and budget decreases, but there were aspects of the dolls that had merit and favor.
** The doll characters overall got more sculpted detail to exemplify their monster types better after their G1 body details were notably minimal or they had entirely vanilla sculpts. Cleo got sculpted-on mummy bandages to make her feel more like a monster, since her dolls looked very human before, Clawdeen and Abbey got sculpted-on fur at their wrists and ankles, suiting their species and displaying a fun sense of embracing atypical features, Lagoona got some scale texture, Toralei got a painted cat nose, and plain-bodied Venus got some vines sculpted on her, a feature which felt especially absent on her after Honey Swamp was released with a vine-covered sculpt. All of these body details added in G2 have been retained for the characters' G3 designs.
** The G2 bodies are sturdier than the bodies from G1 in both joints and some details. The pegs are less fragile and thin, and Lagoona and Gil, who had flimsy paint jobs to give them semi-translucent limbs and hands, were reworked so they didn't have the same risk of paint damage.



** Within the doll line, visual evolutions have occurred that seem to directly respond to prior waves and intentionally bring in more G1 visual traits and hallmarks to be more loyal to the older brand. The second major wave of dolls including the Monster Ball line and Skulltimate Secrets Series 2 demonstrated that G3 can pull off elegant and mature designs like G1's. In another aspect of this phenomenon, the second signature-release designs of the core characters display this for fans of the G1 style as these takes on the dolls visibly push the characters' designs closer to G1. Second-signature Draculaura is an overall reimagining of G1 signature, down to the outfit, lipstick, and pigtails, and second-signature Clawdeen's base hair color is a true brown like her G1 version, rather than pale lilac.

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** Within the doll line, visual evolutions have occurred that seem to directly respond to prior waves and intentionally bring in more G1 visual traits and hallmarks to be more loyal to the older brand. The second major wave of dolls including the Monster Ball line and Skulltimate Secrets Series 2 demonstrated that G3 can pull off elegant and mature designs like G1's. In another aspect of this phenomenon, some of the second signature-release "refresh" signature-v2 designs of the core characters display this for fans of the G1 style as these takes on the dolls visibly push the characters' designs closer to G1. Second-signature Signature-v2 Draculaura is an overall reimagining of G1 signature, down to the outfit, lipstick, and pigtails, and second-signature signature-v2 Clawdeen's base hair color is a true brown like her G1 version, rather than pale lilac.
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** This also goes the other way where some fans are more than a little creeped out with the UnfortunateImplications where Clawd even mentions that he knew her since he was only a pup. Added to that that she's 1600 years old, despite both being monsters, it still doesn't make fans any less uncomfortable. If the genders were reversed, it probably would've made the UnfortunateImplications more apparent...

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** This also goes the other way where some fans are more than a little creeped out with the UnfortunateImplications where by how Clawd even mentions that he knew her since he was only a pup. Added to that that she's 1600 years old, despite both being monsters, it still doesn't make fans any less uncomfortable. If the genders were reversed, it probably would've made the UnfortunateImplications more apparent...wouldn't have been approved.

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** Within the doll line, visual evolutions have occurred that seem to directly respond to prior waves and intentionally bring in more G1 visual traits and hallmarks to be more loyal to the older brand. The second major wave of dolls including the Monster Ball line and Skulltimate Secrets Series 2 demonstrated that G3 can pull off elegant and mature designs like G1's. In another aspect of this phenomenon, the second signature-release designs of the core characters display this for fans of the G1 style
as these takes on the dolls visibly push the characters' designs closer to G1. Second-signature Draculaura is an overall reimagining of G1 signature, down to the outfit, lipstick, and pigtails, and second-signature Clawdeen's base hair color is a true brown like her G1 version, rather than pale lilac.

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** Within the doll line, visual evolutions have occurred that seem to directly respond to prior waves and intentionally bring in more G1 visual traits and hallmarks to be more loyal to the older brand. The second major wave of dolls including the Monster Ball line and Skulltimate Secrets Series 2 demonstrated that G3 can pull off elegant and mature designs like G1's. In another aspect of this phenomenon, the second signature-release designs of the core characters display this for fans of the G1 style
style as these takes on the dolls visibly push the characters' designs closer to G1. Second-signature Draculaura is an overall reimagining of G1 signature, down to the outfit, lipstick, and pigtails, and second-signature Clawdeen's base hair color is a true brown like her G1 version, rather than pale lilac.

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** Within the doll line, visual evolutions have occurred that seem to directly respond to prior waves and intentionally bring in more G1 visual traits and hallmarks to be more loyal to the older brand. The second major wave of dolls including the Monster Ball line and Skulltimate Secrets Series 2 demonstrated that G3 can pull off elegant and mature designs like G1's. In another aspect of this phenomenon, the second signature-release designs of the core characters display this for fans of the G1 style
as these takes on the dolls visibly push the characters' designs closer to G1. Second-signature Draculaura is an overall reimagining of G1 signature, down to the outfit, lipstick, and pigtails, and second-signature Clawdeen's base hair color is a true brown like her G1 version, rather than pale lilac.



* WinBackTheCrowd: Some fans who were still skeptical of [=G3=]'s quality after the movie found themselves won over by the animated series and toy line, which had largely better-received character designs and promised the return of several beloved characters that hadn't appeared in the movie.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: Some fans who were still skeptical of [=G3=]'s quality after the movie found themselves won over by the animated series and toy line, which had largely better-received character designs and promised the return of several beloved characters that hadn't appeared in the movie. On the part of the doll line, G3 found more favor once later waves started displaying thematic and detail tones that pushed G3's look into more elaborate and dark (and yes, more G1-like) visuals.
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* TaintedByThePreview: A number of fans have been put off by the live-action movie before its release, between the discovery that its director also did the movie adaptation of ''Krippendorf's Tribe'' (which was heavily criticized for its use of racist stereotypes) and the various reasons detailed elsewhere in this folder.

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* TaintedByThePreview: A number of fans have been were put off by [=G3=] once information on the live-action movie before its release, between started coming out, being vocal in their dislike of the discovery that its director also did the movie adaptation of ''Krippendorf's Tribe'' (which was heavily criticized for its use of racist stereotypes) and the various reasons detailed elsewhere in this folder.changes made.
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* SoBadItsGood: The movies are so goofy and fun that it's hard to hate them despite their numerous and noticeable flaws.

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* SoBadItsGood: The movies are full of this trope. The plots are silly, the characters are vague, the humor is incredibly cheesy, they're full of {{anvilicious}} "accepting others" morals...but they're just so goofy and fun that it's hard nearly impossible to hate them despite their numerous and noticeable flaws.them.

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