History YMMV / MommieDearest

22nd Sep '17 2:11:33 PM jeffreyloonychen
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** Creator/FayeDunaway genuinely believed she would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Crawford. She later said that she was horrified and ashamed of the end result, often saying that the director just didn't care to tone down her performance.

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** Creator/FayeDunaway genuinely believed she would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Crawford.Crawford, only to get humiliated for her performance following its release. She later said that she was horrified and ashamed of the end result, often saying that the director just didn't care to tone down her performance.
19th Sep '17 7:18:47 PM jeffreyloonychen
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everything that involves Joan abusing Christina from start to finish.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everything that involves Joan abusing Christina from start to finish. Also see AudienceAlienatingPremise above.
19th Sep '17 7:18:01 PM jeffreyloonychen
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everything that involves Joan abusing Christina from start to finish.
8th Sep '17 11:49:58 AM kazokuhouou
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--> '''Snob:''' Personally, in my book, [removes his glasses] Faye Dunaway give ''the single greatest movie performance of all time''![[note]]When Creator/BradJones removes the Cinema Snob's glasses, it means he's speaking as himself, not as his character[[/note]]

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--> '''Snob:''' Personally, in my book, [removes his glasses] Faye Dunaway give gives ''the single greatest movie performance of all time''![[note]]When Creator/BradJones removes the Cinema Snob's glasses, it means he's speaking as himself, not as his character[[/note]]
8th Sep '17 11:49:34 AM kazokuhouou
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-> '''Snob:''' Personally, in my book, [removes his glasses] Faye Dunaway give ''the single greatest movie performance of all time''![[note]]When Creator/BradJones removes the Cinema Snob's glasses, it means he's speaking as himself, not as his character[[/note]]

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-> --> '''Snob:''' Personally, in my book, [removes his glasses] Faye Dunaway give ''the single greatest movie performance of all time''![[note]]When Creator/BradJones removes the Cinema Snob's glasses, it means he's speaking as himself, not as his character[[/note]]
8th Sep '17 11:49:20 AM kazokuhouou
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-> '''Snob:''' Personally, in my book, [removes his glasses] Faye Dunaway give ''the single greatest movie performance of all time''![[note]]When Creator/BradJones removes the Cinema Snob's glasses, it means he's speaking as himself, not as his character[[/note]]
27th Jun '17 7:22:52 AM Bergamot
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: Goes both ways. Many of those close to Crawford claim that the abuse described in the book is anything from severe exaggeration to complete fabrication. Still others claims that the book actually tones down the abuse and that in reality, Joan was much, much more volatile and disturbed.
16th Apr '17 12:42:26 AM CumbersomeTercel
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*** Several of Joan Crawford's friends, such as Myrna Loy, and biographers, such as Donald Spoto, David Bret and Charlotte Chandler, have argued that Joan's strictness toward her children was grossly overblown by Christina, who had real discipline issues throughout her childhood and adolescence and a poor relationship with her mother thereafter (as did her brother Christopher; the twins had a much better relationship with Joan), and who wrote the book as a TakeThat out of resentment, justified or not. (The sources who argue in favor of this interpretation often acknowledge that Joan had personality issues that made her not particularly well-suited to be a mother, despite her intense desire for children.) They also point out that although Joan was, by all accounts, a stern disciplinarian with her children, this was [[FairForItsDay in keeping with the standards of the era]], which placed a premium on discipline, filial respect and similar values. Other friends of Joan Crawford and Christina including Helen Hayes, June Allyson, Creator/RexReed, James [=McArthur=], Betty Hutton, Eve Arden and Creator/LanaTurner's daughter Cheryl Crane (who attended the same school as Christina at some point) have come forward to say they did witness some abuse. As usual in these matters, the truth likely lies somewhere in between the two poles, and even her sympathizers agree that Joan did occasionally take very harsh actions in dealing with her children's misbehavior; for instance, Bret confirms that Joan did once cut Christina's curls off when she caught the girl impersonating her in front of her dressing-room mirror.

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*** Several of Joan Crawford's Creator/JoanCrawford's friends, such as Myrna Loy, Creator/MyrnaLoy, and biographers, such as Donald Spoto, David Bret and Charlotte Chandler, have argued that Joan's strictness toward her children was grossly overblown by Christina, who had real discipline issues throughout her childhood and adolescence and a poor relationship with her mother thereafter (as did her brother Christopher; the twins had a much better relationship with Joan), and who wrote the book as a TakeThat out of resentment, justified or not. (The sources who argue in favor of this interpretation often acknowledge that Joan had personality issues that made her not particularly well-suited to be a mother, despite her intense desire for children.) They also point out that although Joan was, by all accounts, a stern disciplinarian with her children, this was [[FairForItsDay in keeping with the standards of the era]], which placed a premium on discipline, filial respect and similar values. Other friends of Joan Crawford and Christina including Helen Hayes, June Allyson, Creator/RexReed, James [=McArthur=], Betty Hutton, Eve Arden and Creator/LanaTurner's daughter Cheryl Crane (who attended the same school as Christina at some point) have come forward to say they did witness some abuse. As usual in these matters, the truth likely lies somewhere in between the two poles, and even her sympathizers agree that Joan did occasionally take very harsh actions in dealing with her children's misbehavior; for instance, Bret confirms that Joan did once cut Christina's curls off when she caught the girl impersonating her in front of her dressing-room mirror.
14th Apr '17 4:38:26 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Faye

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Faye
14th Apr '17 4:38:08 PM CumbersomeTercel
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*** Several of Joan Crawford's friends, such as Myrna Loy, and biographers, such as Donald Spoto, David Bret and Charlotte Chandler, have argued that Joan's strictness toward her children was grossly overblown by Christina, who had real discipline issues throughout her childhood and adolescence and a poor relationship with her mother thereafter (as did her brother Christopher; the twins had a much better relationship with Joan), and who wrote the book as a TakeThat out of resentment, justified or not. (The sources who argue in favor of this interpretation often acknowledge that Joan had personality issues that made her not particularly well-suited to be a mother, despite her intense desire for children.) They also point out that although Joan was, by all accounts, a stern disciplinarian with her children, this was [[FairForItsDay in keeping with the standards of the era]], which placed a premium on discipline, filial respect and similar values. Other friends of Joan Crawford and Christina including Helen Hayes, June Allyson, Rex Reed, James [=McArthur=], Betty Hutton, Eve Arden and Lana Turner's daughter Cheryl Crane (who attended the same school as Christina at some point) have come forward to say they did witness some abuse. As usual in these matters, the truth likely lies somewhere in between the two poles, and even her sympathizers agree that Joan did occasionally take very harsh actions in dealing with her children's misbehavior; for instance, Bret confirms that Joan did once cut Christina's curls off when she caught the girl impersonating her in front of her dressing-room mirror.

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*** Several of Joan Crawford's friends, such as Myrna Loy, and biographers, such as Donald Spoto, David Bret and Charlotte Chandler, have argued that Joan's strictness toward her children was grossly overblown by Christina, who had real discipline issues throughout her childhood and adolescence and a poor relationship with her mother thereafter (as did her brother Christopher; the twins had a much better relationship with Joan), and who wrote the book as a TakeThat out of resentment, justified or not. (The sources who argue in favor of this interpretation often acknowledge that Joan had personality issues that made her not particularly well-suited to be a mother, despite her intense desire for children.) They also point out that although Joan was, by all accounts, a stern disciplinarian with her children, this was [[FairForItsDay in keeping with the standards of the era]], which placed a premium on discipline, filial respect and similar values. Other friends of Joan Crawford and Christina including Helen Hayes, June Allyson, Rex Reed, Creator/RexReed, James [=McArthur=], Betty Hutton, Eve Arden and Lana Turner's Creator/LanaTurner's daughter Cheryl Crane (who attended the same school as Christina at some point) have come forward to say they did witness some abuse. As usual in these matters, the truth likely lies somewhere in between the two poles, and even her sympathizers agree that Joan did occasionally take very harsh actions in dealing with her children's misbehavior; for instance, Bret confirms that Joan did once cut Christina's curls off when she caught the girl impersonating her in front of her dressing-room mirror.



* NightmareFuel: While Dunaway's hammy performance earns some unintentional laughs, it can be pretty terrifying when it needs to (AFI even included Dunaway as Crawford on a list of the best movie villains).

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* NightmareFuel: While Dunaway's Creator/FayeDunaway's hammy performance earns some unintentional laughs, it can be pretty terrifying when it needs to (AFI even included Dunaway as Crawford on a list of the best movie villains).



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Faye Dunaway genuinely believed she would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Crawford. She later said that she was horrified and ashamed of the end result, often saying that the director just didn't care to tone down her performance.
** Creator/JohnWaters did this with his DVD commentary. He opens his DVD commentary effectively telling listeners that he's going to approach the film as the serious bio-film that it was supposed to be. He also condemns the attempt to turn it into a cult classic by the studio by way of retooled marketing, pointing out how forced it was trying to do it without letting it naturally occur.

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Faye Dunaway Faye
** Creator/FayeDunaway
genuinely believed she would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Crawford. She later said that she was horrified and ashamed of the end result, often saying that the director just didn't care to tone down her performance.
** Creator/JohnWaters did this with his DVD commentary. DVDCommentary. He opens his DVD commentary effectively telling listeners that he's going to approach the film as the serious bio-film that it was supposed to be. He also condemns the attempt to turn it into a cult classic by the studio by way of retooled marketing, pointing out how forced it was trying to do it without letting it naturally occur.
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