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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When Miles Morales was announced to be the new protagonist of ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan following the death of that continuity's Peter Parker, the character was hit with a ''tidal wave'' of vitriol from detractors over the simple fact that he was [[ReplacementScrappy replacing a widely-beloved incarnation of Peter]], which was also followed by a disturbing amount of racist backlash targeting his [[MinorityShowGhetto ethnic background]]. For this reason, these same detractors believed that Miles would have a ''very'' short future in Marvel before being PutOnABus and written off as a failed RatingsStunt. Lo and behold, Miles Morales became Spider-Man's most successful LegacyCharacter by a ''significant'' distance, having achieved a level of fame, critical recognition, and a fan-following that eluded the likes of earlier cult-favorites such as [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'Hara]], [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Ben Reilly]] and [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl Mayday Parker]]. That popularity would result in Miles and his supporting cast being [[CanonImmigrant directly imported]] to Earth-616 after the destruction of the Ultimate Universe, where his adventures continue in his own ongoing series. This also culminated in Miles being adapted across various mediums, the most famous being [[Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller Lord and Miller's]] ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManSpiderVerse Spider-Verse Film Trilogy]]'' where Miles serves as the central protagonist.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When Miles Morales was announced to be the new protagonist of ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan following the death of that continuity's Peter Parker, the character was hit with a ''tidal wave'' of vitriol from detractors over the simple fact that he was [[ReplacementScrappy replacing a widely-beloved incarnation of Peter]], which was also followed by a disturbing amount of racist backlash targeting his [[MinorityShowGhetto ethnic background]]. For this reason, these same detractors believed that Miles would have a ''very'' short future in Marvel before being PutOnABus and written off as a failed RatingsStunt. Lo and behold, Miles Morales became Spider-Man's most successful LegacyCharacter by a ''significant'' distance, having achieved a level of fame, critical recognition, and a fan-following that eluded the likes of earlier cult-favorites such as [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'Hara]], [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Ben Reilly]] and [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl Mayday Parker]]. That popularity would result in Miles and his supporting cast being [[CanonImmigrant directly imported]] to Earth-616 after the destruction of the Ultimate Universe, where his adventures continue in his own ongoing series. This also culminated in Miles being adapted across various mediums, the most famous being [[Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller Lord and Miller's]] ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManSpiderVerse Spider-Verse Film Trilogy]]'' where Miles serves as the central protagonist.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When Miles Morales was announced to be the new protagonist of ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan following the death of that continuity's Peter Parker, the character was hit with a ''tidal wave'' of vitriol from detractors over the simple fact that he was [[ReplacementScrappy replacing a widely-beloved incarnation of Peter]], which was also followed by a disturbing amount of racist backlash targeting his [[MinorityShowGhetto ethnic background]]. For this reason, these same detractors believed that Miles would have a ''very'' short future in Marvel before being PutOnABus and written off as a failed RatingsStunt. Lo and behold, Miles Morales became Spider-Man's most successful LegacyCharacter by a ''significant'' distance, having achieved a level of fame, critical recognition, and a fan-following that eluded the likes of earlier cult-favorites such as [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'Hara]], [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Ben Reilly]] and [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl Mayday Parker]]. That popularity would result in Miles and his supporting cast being [[CanonImmigrant directly imported]] to Earth-616 after the destruction of the Ultimate Universe, where his adventures continue in his own ongoing series. This also culminated in Miles being adapted across various mediums, the most famous being [[Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller Lord and Miller's]] ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManSpiderVerse Spider-Verse Film Trilogy]]'' where Miles serves as the central protagonist.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When Miles Morales was announced to be the new protagonist of ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan following the death of that continuity's Peter Parker, the character was hit with a ''tidal wave'' of vitriol from detractors over the simple fact that he was [[ReplacementScrappy replacing a widely-beloved incarnation of Peter]], which was also followed by a disturbing amount of racist backlash targeting his [[MinorityShowGhetto ethnic background]]. For this reason, these same detractors believed that Miles would have a ''very'' short future in Marvel before being PutOnABus and written off as a failed RatingsStunt. Lo and behold, Miles Morales became Spider-Man's most successful LegacyCharacter by a ''significant'' distance, having achieved a level of fame, critical recognition, and a fan-following that eluded the likes of earlier cult-favorites such as [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'Hara]], [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Ben Reilly]] and [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl Mayday Parker]]. That popularity would result in Miles and his supporting cast being [[CanonImmigrant directly imported]] to Earth-616 after the destruction of the Ultimate Universe, where his adventures continue in his own ongoing series. This also culminated in Miles being adapted across various mediums, the most famous being [[Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller Lord and Miller's]] ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManSpiderVerse Spider-Verse Film Trilogy]]'' where Miles serves as the central protagonist.
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* BadassDecay: In the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' comics the Green Goblin was both the BigBad and a supremely powerful villain, and a threat to be feared, both against Peter Parker and the one time Miles fought him. He became a CanonImmigrant in ''ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan'', but just as a punching bag for Miles and a minion for Ultimatum.
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* BadassDecay: In the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' comics the Green Goblin was both the BigBad and a supremely powerful villain, and a threat to be feared, both against Peter Parker and the one time Miles fought him. He became a CanonImmigrant in ''ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan'', ''ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan2018'', but just as a punching bag for Miles and a minion for Ultimatum.
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* MyRealDaddy: Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller's work in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' is often universally considered the turning point for Miles' character, as more attention was paid to fleshing out Miles' hobbies and personality quirks compared to Bendis' original run. This movie has since gone on to influence Miles' characterization in both [[ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan Saladin Ahmed's run]] and [[VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales the Insomniac Video Game]].
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* MyRealDaddy: Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller's work in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' is often universally considered the turning point for Miles' character, as more attention was paid to fleshing out Miles' hobbies and personality quirks compared to Bendis' original run. This movie has since gone on to influence Miles' characterization in both [[ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan [[ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan2018 Saladin Ahmed's run]] and [[VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales the Insomniac Video Game]].
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When Miles Morales was announced to be the new protagonist of ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan following the death of that continuity's Peter Parker, the character was hit with a ''tidal wave'' of vitriol from detractors over the simple fact that he was [[ReplacementScrappy replacing a widely-beloved incarnation of Peter]], which was also followed by a disturbing amount of racist backlash targeting his [[MinorityShowGhetto ethnic background]]. For this reason, these same detractors believed that Miles would have a ''very'' short future in Marvel before being PutOnABus and written off as a failed RatingsStunt. Lo and behold, Miles Morales became Spider-Man's most successful LegacyCharacter by a ''significant'' distance, having achieved a level of fame, critical recognition, and a fan-following that eluded the likes of earlier cult-favorites such as [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'Hara]], [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Ben Reilly]] and [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl Mayday Parker]]. That popularity would result in Miles and his supporting cast being [[CanonImmigrant directly imported]] to Earth-616 after the destruction of the Ultimate Universe, where his adventures continue in his own ongoing series. This also culminated in Miles being adapted across various mediums, the most famous being [[Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller Lord and Miller's]] ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManSpiderVerse Spider-Verse Film Trilogy]]'' where Miles serves as the central protagonist.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A number of plot points and elements in the run also seemed to take a number of the criticisms of Bendis' post-Secret Wars run in mind. Some of these include:
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assessor, Asset Quantum, Ultimatum, and Selim.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe has finally been acknowledged and cleared up. However this has been dampened in the eyes of some critical readers as Miles isn't exactly given enough proper time to reflect on the revelation that he is not a native of Earth-616.
** More time has been spent focusing on Miles, his support cast, and community in Brooklyn rather than tying him into big crossover events.
** Miles's Dad had the rather unfortunate name of Jefferson Davis - which was the name of a Confederate president and slaver. Ahmed fixes this by having him adopt his wife's last name, so he's now called Jeff Morales.
** Given one of the draws of Miles, early on, was that he had two parents who were alive and loving (more or less, in Jefferson's case, admittedly), a very, '''very''' rare occurrence in super-hero comics in general, many fans were very upset when Rio got StuffedInTheFridge. The end of ''Secret Wars'' has her resurrected.
** Miles' Uncle Aaron was originally established by Bendis as a [[EvilUncle opportunistic scumbag]] who only wanted to exploit his nephew as a pawn to achieve his own ambitions as an aspiring crime kingpin and [[WouldHurtAChild physically abused the kid]] over his refusal to fall in line. Under Ahmed's pen, Aaron undergoes some serious CharacterDevelopment to reach a portrayal closer to his ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse Into the Spider-Verse]]'' counterpart as a CoolUncle who makes a genuine effort to make amends with Miles and put his life as a career criminal behind him.
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assessor, Asset Quantum, Ultimatum, and Selim.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe has finally been acknowledged and cleared up. However this has been dampened in the eyes of some critical readers as Miles isn't exactly given enough proper time to reflect on the revelation that he is not a native of Earth-616.
** More time has been spent focusing on Miles, his support cast, and community in Brooklyn rather than tying him into big crossover events.
** Miles's Dad had the rather unfortunate name of Jefferson Davis - which was the name of a Confederate president and slaver. Ahmed fixes this by having him adopt his wife's last name, so he's now called Jeff Morales.
** Given one of the draws of Miles, early on, was that he had two parents who were alive and loving (more or less, in Jefferson's case, admittedly), a very, '''very''' rare occurrence in super-hero comics in general, many fans were very upset when Rio got StuffedInTheFridge. The end of ''Secret Wars'' has her resurrected.
** Miles' Uncle Aaron was originally established by Bendis as a [[EvilUncle opportunistic scumbag]] who only wanted to exploit his nephew as a pawn to achieve his own ambitions as an aspiring crime kingpin and [[WouldHurtAChild physically abused the kid]] over his refusal to fall in line. Under Ahmed's pen, Aaron undergoes some serious CharacterDevelopment to reach a portrayal closer to his ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse Into the Spider-Verse]]'' counterpart as a CoolUncle who makes a genuine effort to make amends with Miles and put his life as a career criminal behind him.
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** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assessor, Asset Quantum, and Ultimatum.
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** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assessor, Asset Quantum, Ultimatum, and Ultimatum.Selim.
** Miles' Uncle Aaron was originally established by Bendis as a [[EvilUncle opportunistic scumbag]] who only wanted to exploit his nephew as a pawn to achieve his own ambitions as an aspiring crime kingpin and [[WouldHurtAChild physically abused the kid]] over his refusal to fall in line. Under Ahmed's pen, Aaron undergoes some serious CharacterDevelopment to reach a portrayal closer to his ''[[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse Into the Spider-Verse]]'' counterpart as a CoolUncle who makes a genuine effort to make amends with Miles and put his life as a career criminal behind him.
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** The Green Goblin of Earth-1610 was originally ''the'' BigBad of the entire Ultimate Spider-Man comic line [[HeroKiller who's murder of Peter Parker]] kickstarted the series of events that convinced Miles to step up and become the next Spider-Man in the first place. But under Ahmed, Norman is just [[InNameOnly a glorified enforcer]] to Ultimatum and acts nothing like [[TheDreaded nightmarish monster]] he once was.
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** The Green Goblin of Earth-1610 was originally ''the'' BigBad of the entire Ultimate Spider-Man comic line [[HeroKiller who's murder of Peter Parker]] kickstarted the series of events that convinced Miles to step up and become the next Spider-Man in the first place. But under Ahmed, Norman is just [[InNameOnly a glorified enforcer]] to Ultimatum and acts nothing like the [[TheDreaded nightmarish monster]] he once was.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: While Ultimatum's look is an interesting idea and a neat MythologyGag (or several), there are some who snicker at the red and brown color-scheme.
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** While Ultimatum's look is an interesting idea and a neat MythologyGag (or several), there are some who snicker at the red and browncolor-scheme.color-scheme.
** The new Prowler suit featuring boots that emphasize his individual toes with a glove like fit was an oddity that's largely been dropped in his subsequent appearances for this very reason.
** In celebration of his 10th anniversary, Miles received a [[https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/spider-man-marvel-debuts-new-miles-morales-costume/#6 brand new suit]] designed by Chase Conley which adopts a baggy CivvieSpandex aesthetic to replace his original streamlined look. However, a plethora of readers have expressed how much they absolutely ''loathe'' this costume. Deriding the [[ImpracticallyFancyOutfit sheer impracticality]] of the suit's loose-fitting turtleneck sweater, the web pattern running down the legs making it look like Miles is wearing ''[[StockingFiller fishnets]]'' in some angles, the mask looking too much like [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Kaine Parker]], and how it generally looks more like a BetaOutfit rather than a true [[CostumeEvolution evolution]] of Miles' original design. It doesn't help that the Conley suit has been hit with a massive case of DependingOnTheArtist, spawning various design inconsistencies such as whether or not Miles is bare-chested under the sweater, or the mask's eye lenses suddenly being depicted as white instead of red.
** While Ultimatum's look is an interesting idea and a neat MythologyGag (or several), there are some who snicker at the red and brown
** The new Prowler suit featuring boots that emphasize his individual toes with a glove like fit was an oddity that's largely been dropped in his subsequent appearances for this very reason.
** In celebration of his 10th anniversary, Miles received a [[https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/spider-man-marvel-debuts-new-miles-morales-costume/#6 brand new suit]] designed by Chase Conley which adopts a baggy CivvieSpandex aesthetic to replace his original streamlined look. However, a plethora of readers have expressed how much they absolutely ''loathe'' this costume. Deriding the [[ImpracticallyFancyOutfit sheer impracticality]] of the suit's loose-fitting turtleneck sweater, the web pattern running down the legs making it look like Miles is wearing ''[[StockingFiller fishnets]]'' in some angles, the mask looking too much like [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Kaine Parker]], and how it generally looks more like a BetaOutfit rather than a true [[CostumeEvolution evolution]] of Miles' original design. It doesn't help that the Conley suit has been hit with a massive case of DependingOnTheArtist, spawning various design inconsistencies such as whether or not Miles is bare-chested under the sweater, or the mask's eye lenses suddenly being depicted as white instead of red.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Ahmed is the second comic book writer to write the solo comic books of Miles Morales, after the runs of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who created the character. When he was hired, we pointed that he's aware of this possible reaction and that he would do his best to prevent it. He compared Bendis' run with the [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]] of the main Spider-Man: a great era, that created and defined many things about the character, but at some point someone had to replace them, keeping the quality of the character and continuing to introduce things.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Ahmed is the second comic book writer to write the solo comic books of Miles Morales, after the runs of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who created the character. When he was hired, we he pointed that he's he was aware of this possible reaction and that he would do his best to prevent it. He compared Bendis' run with the [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]] of the main Spider-Man: a great era, that created and defined many things about the character, but at some point someone had to replace them, keeping the quality of the character and continuing to introduce things.
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* MyRealDaddy: Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller's work in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' is often universally considered the turning point for Miles' character, as more attention was paid to fleshing out Miles' hobbies and personality quirks compared to Bendis' original run. This movie has sense gone on to influence Miles' characterization in both [[ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan Saladin Ahmed's run]] and [[VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales the Insomniac Video Game]].
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* MyRealDaddy: Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller's work in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' is often universally considered the turning point for Miles' character, as more attention was paid to fleshing out Miles' hobbies and personality quirks compared to Bendis' original run. This movie has sense since gone on to influence Miles' characterization in both [[ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan Saladin Ahmed's run]] and [[VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales the Insomniac Video Game]].
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Ahmed is the second comic book writer to write the solo comic books of Miles Morales, after the runs of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who created the character. When he was hired, we pointed that he's aware of this possible reaction and that he would do his best to prevent it. He compared Bendis' run with the ComicBook/LeeDitkoSpiderMan of the main Spider-Man: a great era, that created and defined many things about the character, but at some point someone had to replace them, keeping the quality of the character and continuing to introduce things.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Ahmed is the second comic book writer to write the solo comic books of Miles Morales, after the runs of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who created the character. When he was hired, we pointed that he's aware of this possible reaction and that he would do his best to prevent it. He compared Bendis' run with the ComicBook/LeeDitkoSpiderMan [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]] of the main Spider-Man: a great era, that created and defined many things about the character, but at some point someone had to replace them, keeping the quality of the character and continuing to introduce things.
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** The shipping of Miles with ComicBook/SpiderGwen also proved to be rather contentious, particularly because she is 19 and he is still in High School. The fact that DieForOurShip is at play on both sides is also at play.
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** The shipping of Miles with ComicBook/SpiderGwen also proved to be rather contentious, particularly because she is 19 and he is still in High School. The fact that DieForOurShip is at play on both sides is also at play.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: Jefferson is missing, Miles is trying to find him, he falls into another dimension... and we get a lot of romance between him and ComicBook/SpiderGwen, which comes literally from out of nowhere. It takes some time until the story finally resumes the issue about Jefferson.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A number of plotpoints and elements in the run also seemed to take a number of the criticisms of Bendis' post-Secret Wars run in mind. Some of these include:
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was the the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assesor, Asset Quantum, and Ultimatum.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe have finally been acknowledged and cleared up. However this has been dampened in the eyes of some critical readers as Miles isn't exactly given enough proper time to reflect on the revelation that he is not a native of Earth-616.
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was the the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assesor, Asset Quantum, and Ultimatum.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe have finally been acknowledged and cleared up. However this has been dampened in the eyes of some critical readers as Miles isn't exactly given enough proper time to reflect on the revelation that he is not a native of Earth-616.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A number of plotpoints plot points and elements in the run also seemed to take a number of the criticisms of Bendis' post-Secret Wars run in mind. Some of these include:
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character wasthe the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, TheAssesor, Assessor, Asset Quantum, and Ultimatum.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universehave has finally been acknowledged and cleared up. However this has been dampened in the eyes of some critical readers as Miles isn't exactly given enough proper time to reflect on the revelation that he is not a native of Earth-616.
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: He was already bound to be hit with the effects of TheyChangedItNowItSucks once he replaced Peter Parker in the Ultimate Marvel setting, but even after he gained a fan following, he's still a pretty contentious character. A lot of the dislike that the character has received comes down how he's been written, as to the overuse of the Venom Blast ability as a DeusExMachina and having a lot of {{Wangst}} over his own belief that he can't live up to Peter Parker are what prove to be contentious over the actual concept of the character himself.
** Since his migration to the prime Marvel Universe, the biggest issue some fans take with Miles is him still going by the moniker of "Spider-Man" (when the original one is alive and healthy) instead of adopting a new alias like his fellow Spider-People have to various extents.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not he should remain in the 616-verse or go back to the Ultimate universe. Proponents of the former cite the setting's potential for interesting interactions with other heroes, primarily the ComicBook/Champions2016 and the main Peter Parker, while defenders of the latter say he works better as the primary Spider-Man of his own world and want to see Earth 1610 again after being it largely absent following ComicBook/SecretWars2015.
** Since his migration to the prime Marvel Universe, the biggest issue some fans take with Miles is him still going by the moniker of "Spider-Man" (when the original one is alive and healthy) instead of adopting a new alias like his fellow Spider-People have to various extents.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not he should remain in the 616-verse or go back to the Ultimate universe. Proponents of the former cite the setting's potential for interesting interactions with other heroes, primarily the ComicBook/Champions2016 and the main Peter Parker, while defenders of the latter say he works better as the primary Spider-Man of his own world and want to see Earth 1610 again after being it largely absent following ComicBook/SecretWars2015.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: He was already bound to be hit with the effects By virtue of TheyChangedItNowItSucks once he being a LegacyCharacter who replaced the beloved Ultimate Peter Parker in this was inevitable. With criticisms ranging from that, he was [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute too much like Peter]] to the Ultimate Marvel setting, but even years after he gained a fan following, he's now been established over whether he should still a pretty contentious character. A lot of ''be'' Spider-Man or not.
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** During Bendis' tenure while writing thedislike that the character has received comes down how he's been written, as to the overuse of character, his reliance on the Venom Blast ability power to end conflicts was frequently criticized for crossing into StoryBreakerPower territory. This seemed to get indirectly referenced by Saldain Ahmed as a DeusExMachina and having a lot of {{Wangst}} over his own belief that he can't live up to Peter Parker are what prove to be contentious over the actual concept of the character himself.
** Since his migration[[AuthorsSavingThrow would often have villains adapt to the prime Marvel Universe, the biggest issue some fans take with Miles is him still going by the moniker of "Spider-Man" (when the original one is alive and healthy) instead of adopting a new alias like his fellow Spider-People have to various extents.
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** Whether or not he should remain in the 616-verse or go back to the Ultimate universe. Proponents of the former cite the setting's potential for interesting interactions with other heroes, primarily the ComicBook/Champions2016 and the main Peter Parker, while defenders of the latter say he works better as the primary Spider-Man of his own world and want to see Earth 1610 again after being it largely absent followingComicBook/SecretWars2015.
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** Whether or not he should remain in the 616-verse or go back to the Ultimate universe. Proponents of the former cite the setting's potential for interesting interactions with other heroes, primarily the ComicBook/Champions2016 and the main Peter Parker, while defenders of the latter say he works better as the primary Spider-Man of his own world and want to see Earth 1610 again after being it largely absent following
* MyRealDaddy: Creator/PhilLordAndChrisMiller's work in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' is often universally considered the turning point for Miles' character, as more attention was paid to fleshing out Miles' hobbies and personality quirks compared to Bendis' original run. This movie has sense gone on to influence Miles' characterization in both [[ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan Saladin Ahmed's run]] and [[VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales the Insomniac Video Game]].
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* SeasonalRot: Some fans hold this of Bendis's work with Miles after ''Secret Wars'', being just not as good as the Ultimate Universe stuff. There are also those who hold that some of Miles' Ultimate Universe stories apply as well, though as always with fans, argument over ''where'' that applies is hard to pin down (after Aaron's death, the Venom arc, and Rio Morales' fridging, or the stuff following the Venom arc).
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* SeasonalRot: Some fans hold this of Bendis's work with Miles after ''Secret Wars'', being just not as good as the Ultimate Universe stuff. There are also those who hold that some of Miles' Ultimate Universe stories apply as well, though as always with fans, the argument over ''where'' that applies is hard to pin down (after Aaron's death, the Venom arc, and Rio Morales' fridging, or the stuff following the Venom arc).
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* AngstWhatAngst: The destruction of the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe means that, other than the handful of characters that the Molecule Man saved for him and some other canon immigrants, everybody else he had ever known (or just everybody else, period) ceased to exist. He has never been seen worried or troubled by that. However, some comics imply that in the cosmic retcon he lost his memories of all of that and just thinks that he has always lived on the prime earth, and in others that he still remembers it all.
** Given one of the draws of Miles, early on, was that he had two parents who were alive and loving (more or less, in Jefferson's case, admittedly), a very, '''very''' rare occurrence in super-hero comics in general, many fans were very upset when Rio got StuffedInTheFridge. The end of ''Secret Wars'' has her resurrected.
* BadassDecay: In the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' comics the Green Goblin was both the BigBad and a supremely powerful villain, and a threat to be feared, both against Peter Parker and the one time Miles fought him. He became a CanonImmigrant in ''ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan'', but just as a punching bag for Miles and a minion for Ultimatum.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: He was already bound to be hit with the effects of TheyChangedItNowItSucks once he replaced Peter Parker in the Ultimate Marvel setting, but even after he gained a fan following, he's still a pretty contentious character. A lot of the dislike that the character has received comes down how he's been written, as to the overuse of the Venom Blast ability as a DeusExMachina and having a lot of {{Wangst}} over his own belief that he can't live up to Peter Parker are what prove to be contentious over the actual concept of the character himself.
** Since his migration to the prime Marvel Universe, the biggest issue some fans take with Miles is him still going by the moniker of "Spider-Man" (when the original one is alive and healthy) instead of adopting a new alias like his fellow Spider-People have to various extents.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not he should remain in the 616-verse or go back to the Ultimate universe. Proponents of the former cite the setting's potential for interesting interactions with other heroes, primarily the ComicBook/Champions2016 and the main Peter Parker, while defenders of the latter say he works better as the primary Spider-Man of his own world and want to see Earth 1610 again after being it largely absent following ComicBook/SecretWars2015.
* CantUnHearIt: So far, most readers hear either Creator/NadjiJeter's take (''WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan'', ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4'', ''VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales'') or Creator/ShameikMoore's (''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'') when reading Miles.
* DieForOurShip: Woo boy, the literal minute Marvel teased the idea of a crossover and romance between Miles and ''ComicBook/SpiderGwen'', this immediately cropped up.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Jefferson's bemusement that not only does Miles have a girlfriend now, but a cute blonde girl [[note]][[NotWhatItLooksLike actually Gwen Stacy wanting to talk to him about something Spider-Man-related]][[/note]] just dragged him off somewhere with great urgency.
-->'''Jefferson:''' [[KidAnova Suddenly the boy's got game...]]
* HilariousInHindsight: In a crossover with Spider-Gwen, Miles ends up visiting a universe that's heavily implied to be the DC universe specifically ending up in Metropolis near the Daily Planet. Cut to a year later and Creator/BrianMichaelBendis Miles's creator is writing Superman.
* {{Narm}}: The Spanglish spouted by Miles' grandma once introduced into the 2016 series.
* OlderThanTheyThink:
** The concept of Peter Parker having a LegacyCharacter and an AffirmativeActionLegacy is as old as ASM Issue #87, published in the early '70s. In that issue, Peter after going in a depressive funk comes clean to his friends as Spider-Man but on seeing Gwen Stacy's [[HystericalWoman hysterical over-the-top reaction to the idea]], Peter decides to make this a FictionAsCoverUp by asking his former enemy-turned-friend Hobie Brown, aka Prowler I, to pose as Spider-Man in his costume. Prowler I had tech that gave him wallcrawling ability and so could pass for Spidey in a limited setting. This was the first time someone other than Peter wore the Spider-Man costume, and the first man to do so was an African-American character. In effect, Miles and his Uncle Aaron are a case of DecompositeCharacter for Prowler I.
** Peter's first legitimate LegacyCharacter was ComicBook/SpiderMan2099. Miguel O'Hara was a Hispanic-Irish Spider-Man in Nueva York, just like Miles is part-Hispanic. The concept of Peter being replaced by a YoungerAndHipper alternative was also explored with [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] in the Clone Saga, while Peter playing a mentor and quasi-parental role was explored in ComicBook/SpiderGirl where he trained his daughter Mayday. Miles' differs on the whole in being a fundamental SettingUpdate of Peter's classic archetype (teenage WorkingClassHero) unlike Miguel (an older corporate scientist-whistleblower-turned superhero), Ben Reilly (Peter's clone who was young and single as opposed to married Pete), and Mayday (a middle-class daughter to a power couple).
* BadassDecay: In the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' comics the Green Goblin was both the BigBad and a supremely powerful villain, and a threat to be feared, both against Peter Parker and the one time Miles fought him. He became a CanonImmigrant in ''ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan'', but just as a punching bag for Miles and a minion for Ultimatum.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: He was already bound to be hit with the effects of TheyChangedItNowItSucks once he replaced Peter Parker in the Ultimate Marvel setting, but even after he gained a fan following, he's still a pretty contentious character. A lot of the dislike that the character has received comes down how he's been written, as to the overuse of the Venom Blast ability as a DeusExMachina and having a lot of {{Wangst}} over his own belief that he can't live up to Peter Parker are what prove to be contentious over the actual concept of the character himself.
** Since his migration to the prime Marvel Universe, the biggest issue some fans take with Miles is him still going by the moniker of "Spider-Man" (when the original one is alive and healthy) instead of adopting a new alias like his fellow Spider-People have to various extents.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not he should remain in the 616-verse or go back to the Ultimate universe. Proponents of the former cite the setting's potential for interesting interactions with other heroes, primarily the ComicBook/Champions2016 and the main Peter Parker, while defenders of the latter say he works better as the primary Spider-Man of his own world and want to see Earth 1610 again after being it largely absent following ComicBook/SecretWars2015.
* CantUnHearIt: So far, most readers hear either Creator/NadjiJeter's take (''WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan'', ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4'', ''VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales'') or Creator/ShameikMoore's (''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'') when reading Miles.
* DieForOurShip: Woo boy, the literal minute Marvel teased the idea of a crossover and romance between Miles and ''ComicBook/SpiderGwen'', this immediately cropped up.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Jefferson's bemusement that not only does Miles have a girlfriend now, but a cute blonde girl [[note]][[NotWhatItLooksLike actually Gwen Stacy wanting to talk to him about something Spider-Man-related]][[/note]] just dragged him off somewhere with great urgency.
-->'''Jefferson:''' [[KidAnova Suddenly the boy's got game...]]
* HilariousInHindsight: In a crossover with Spider-Gwen, Miles ends up visiting a universe that's heavily implied to be the DC universe specifically ending up in Metropolis near the Daily Planet. Cut to a year later and Creator/BrianMichaelBendis Miles's creator is writing Superman.
* {{Narm}}: The Spanglish spouted by Miles' grandma once introduced into the 2016 series.
* OlderThanTheyThink:
** The concept of Peter Parker having a LegacyCharacter and an AffirmativeActionLegacy is as old as ASM Issue #87, published in the early '70s. In that issue, Peter after going in a depressive funk comes clean to his friends as Spider-Man but on seeing Gwen Stacy's [[HystericalWoman hysterical over-the-top reaction to the idea]], Peter decides to make this a FictionAsCoverUp by asking his former enemy-turned-friend Hobie Brown, aka Prowler I, to pose as Spider-Man in his costume. Prowler I had tech that gave him wallcrawling ability and so could pass for Spidey in a limited setting. This was the first time someone other than Peter wore the Spider-Man costume, and the first man to do so was an African-American character. In effect, Miles and his Uncle Aaron are a case of DecompositeCharacter for Prowler I.
** Peter's first legitimate LegacyCharacter was ComicBook/SpiderMan2099. Miguel O'Hara was a Hispanic-Irish Spider-Man in Nueva York, just like Miles is part-Hispanic. The concept of Peter being replaced by a YoungerAndHipper alternative was also explored with [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] in the Clone Saga, while Peter playing a mentor and quasi-parental role was explored in ComicBook/SpiderGirl where he trained his daughter Mayday. Miles' differs on the whole in being a fundamental SettingUpdate of Peter's classic archetype (teenage WorkingClassHero) unlike Miguel (an older corporate scientist-whistleblower-turned superhero), Ben Reilly (Peter's clone who was young and single as opposed to married Pete), and Mayday (a middle-class daughter to a power couple).
* RomanticPlotTumor: Jefferson is missing, Miles is trying to find him, he falls into another dimension... and we get a lot of romance between him and ComicBook/SpiderGwen, which comes literally from out of nowhere. It takes some time until the story finally resumes the issue about Jefferson.
* SeasonalRot: Some fans hold this of Bendis's work with Miles after ''Secret Wars'', being just not as good as the Ultimate Universe stuff. There are also those who hold that some of Miles' Ultimate Universe stories apply as well, though as always with fans, argument over ''where'' that applies is hard to pin down (after Aaron's death, the Venom arc, and Rio Morales' fridging, or the stuff following the Venom arc).
* SignatureSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVzgqga3lo "What's Up Danger"]] by Black Caviar, which served as his ThemeMusicPowerUp from ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'', is regarded by many of the {{Fanon}} as Miles' ''de facto'' {{Leitmotif}}.
* SeasonalRot: Some fans hold this of Bendis's work with Miles after ''Secret Wars'', being just not as good as the Ultimate Universe stuff. There are also those who hold that some of Miles' Ultimate Universe stories apply as well, though as always with fans, argument over ''where'' that applies is hard to pin down (after Aaron's death, the Venom arc, and Rio Morales' fridging, or the stuff following the Venom arc).
* SignatureSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVzgqga3lo "What's Up Danger"]] by Black Caviar, which served as his ThemeMusicPowerUp from ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'', is regarded by many of the {{Fanon}} as Miles' ''de facto'' {{Leitmotif}}.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
** In the Ultimate universe, Miles Morales had to endure a lot of stuff, which caused several interesting stories. The death of Peter Parker, his attempt to become the new Spider-Man and gradually be accepted by those close to Parker, the death of his mother, the reveal of his identity to his father, the attempts of J. Jonah Jameson to avoid repeating the mistakes with Parker, [[spoiler:the return of Peter Parker and Norman Osborn]], the return of his father and his old history, etc. Then ''Secret Wars'' took place, the Ultimate Universe ceases to exist, and Miles is moved to the prime earth. His mother is back and he does not remember anything from the Ultimate Universe, and now he's just TheChewToy, whose biggest problem in life is that his grandmother's grounded him or that he has a LoonyFan on Website/YouTube.
** On his reappearance in Ahmed's run, Ultimate Norman Osborn, previous ''the'' BigBad of Ultimate Spidey, and an nigh-unstoppable murder-machine, is reduced to being Ultimatum's henchman, who doesn't sound or even act like he did as written by Bendis.
** In the Ultimate universe, Miles Morales had to endure a lot of stuff, which caused several interesting stories. The death of Peter Parker, his attempt to become the new Spider-Man and gradually be accepted by those close to Parker, the death of his mother, the reveal of his identity to his father, the attempts of J. Jonah Jameson to avoid repeating the mistakes with Parker, [[spoiler:the return of Peter Parker and Norman Osborn]], the return of his father and his old history, etc. Then ''Secret Wars'' took place, the Ultimate Universe ceases to exist, and Miles is moved to the prime earth. His mother is back and he does not remember anything from the Ultimate Universe, and now he's just TheChewToy, whose biggest problem in life is that his grandmother's grounded him or that he has a LoonyFan on Website/YouTube.
** On his reappearance in Ahmed's run, Ultimate Norman Osborn, previous ''the'' BigBad of Ultimate Spidey, and an nigh-unstoppable murder-machine, is reduced to being Ultimatum's henchman, who doesn't sound or even act like he did as written by Bendis.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The entire Ultimatum Saga was shaping up to be the story arc that finally resolves the ContinuitySnarl which has plagued the character of Miles Morales ever since his messy immigration to Earth-616. Both Miles and his Uncle Aaron finally get to remember the entirety of their previous lives in the Ultimate Universe with there even being an opportunity for them to revisit Earth-1610 and for Miles to reconnect with members of his original supporting cast [[PutOnABus who didn't get to crossover with him.]] However, the breakneck pacing doesn't give the story enough time to explore the existential implications of them being refugees from a previously destroyed reality, leaving many readers feeling that Ahmed shouldn't have even bothered to open that can of worms again.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** The entire Ultimatum Saga was shaping up to be the story arc that finally resolves the ContinuitySnarl which has plagued the character of Miles Morales ever since his messy immigration to Earth-616. Both Miles and his Uncle Aaron finally get to remember the entirety of their previous lives in the Ultimate Universe with there even being an opportunity for them to revisit Earth-1610 and for Miles to reconnect with members of his original supporting cast [[PutOnABus who didn't get to crossover with him.]] However, the breakneck pacing doesn't give the story enough time to explore the existential implications of them being refugees from a previously destroyed reality, leaving many readers feeling that Ahmed shouldn't have even bothered to open that can of wormsagain.again.
** Miles Morales initially seemed not to remember the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, or the events of the ComicBook/{{Secret Wars|2015}}. After the cosmic retcons, he simply remembers things as if he has always lived in the prime Earth. And his first story in this new context is against a demon, and he gets all freaked out about that, unlike the other heroes who've SeenItAll. But in comparison with those things he doesn't remember, even an actual demon seems like very little for freaking out. He is later on revealed to still remember his home universe, but it's a case of AngstWhatAngst.
* ToughActToFollow: Whoever was going to write Miles after Bendis had some big shoes to fill. However, the eventual announcement of Creator/SaladinAhmed taking over Miles' book in late 2018 was met with approval within fandom.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: While Ultimatum's look is an interesting idea and a neat MythologyGag (or several), there are some who snicker at the red and brown color-scheme.
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** The entire Ultimatum Saga was shaping up to be the story arc that finally resolves the ContinuitySnarl which has plagued the character of Miles Morales ever since his messy immigration to Earth-616. Both Miles and his Uncle Aaron finally get to remember the entirety of their previous lives in the Ultimate Universe with there even being an opportunity for them to revisit Earth-1610 and for Miles to reconnect with members of his original supporting cast [[PutOnABus who didn't get to crossover with him.]] However, the breakneck pacing doesn't give the story enough time to explore the existential implications of them being refugees from a previously destroyed reality, leaving many readers feeling that Ahmed shouldn't have even bothered to open that can of worms
** Miles Morales initially seemed not to remember the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, or the events of the ComicBook/{{Secret Wars|2015}}. After the cosmic retcons, he simply remembers things as if he has always lived in the prime Earth. And his first story in this new context is against a demon, and he gets all freaked out about that, unlike the other heroes who've SeenItAll. But in comparison with those things he doesn't remember, even an actual demon seems like very little for freaking out. He is later on revealed to still remember his home universe, but it's a case of AngstWhatAngst.
* ToughActToFollow: Whoever was going to write Miles after Bendis had some big shoes to fill. However, the eventual announcement of Creator/SaladinAhmed taking over Miles' book in late 2018 was met with approval within fandom.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: While Ultimatum's look is an interesting idea and a neat MythologyGag (or several), there are some who snicker at the red and brown color-scheme.
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** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe have finally been acknowledged and cleared up. However this has been dampened in the eyes of some critical readers as Miles isn't exactly given enough proper time to reflect on the revelation that he is not a native of Earth-616.
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: This comic book is set after the ending of ''ComicBook/SpiderGeddon'' (which had not been released yet when #1 hits the stands). It does not say anything about the way it ends, but at least one thing is sure: Miles Morales survived it. A similar problem pops up with ''ComicBook/AbsoluteCarnage''. According to Creator/SaladinAhmed on Twitter, the Miles-related events of ''Absolute Carnage'' happen between issues 10 and 11 of Miles’ own book, ensuring that everything will go back to normal for Miles. Kind of undercuts the cliffhanger that he's at the center of in Issue 2...
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: This comic book is set after the ending of ''ComicBook/SpiderGeddon'' (which had not been released yet when #1 hits the stands). It does not say anything about the way it ends, but at least one thing is sure: Miles Morales survived it. A similar problem pops up with ''ComicBook/AbsoluteCarnage''. According to Creator/SaladinAhmed on Twitter, the Miles-related events of ''Absolute Carnage'' happen between issues 10 and 11 of Miles’ own book, ensuring that everything will go back to normal for Miles. Kind of undercuts the cliffhanger that he's at the center of in Issue 2...2...
*TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** The Miles Morales of Earth-616 returns as a supervillain crime lord wielding the stolen arsenal of the Ultimates and the Oz Formula to create an entire legion of Goblinoids to help him take over Brooklyn's underworld. However, he's unceremoniously sent back to the Ultimate Universe before we even get a chance to see what drove him to abandon his initial goal of leaving his life as a gangster behind or how he was even able to pull off such a heist in the first place.
** The Green Goblin of Earth-1610 was originally ''the'' BigBad of the entire Ultimate Spider-Man comic line [[HeroKiller who's murder of Peter Parker]] kickstarted the series of events that convinced Miles to step up and become the next Spider-Man in the first place. But under Ahmed, Norman is just [[InNameOnly a glorified enforcer]] to Ultimatum and acts nothing like [[TheDreaded nightmarish monster]] he once was.
*TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The entire Ultimatum Saga was shaping up to be the story arc that finally resolves the ContinuitySnarl which has plagued the character of Miles Morales ever since his messy immigration to Earth-616. Both Miles and his Uncle Aaron finally get to remember the entirety of their previous lives in the Ultimate Universe with there even being an opportunity for them to revisit Earth-1610 and for Miles to reconnect with members of his original supporting cast [[PutOnABus who didn't get to crossover with him.]] However, the breakneck pacing doesn't give the story enough time to explore the existential implications of them being refugees from a previously destroyed reality, leaving many readers feeling that Ahmed shouldn't have even bothered to open that can of worms again.
*TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** The Miles Morales of Earth-616 returns as a supervillain crime lord wielding the stolen arsenal of the Ultimates and the Oz Formula to create an entire legion of Goblinoids to help him take over Brooklyn's underworld. However, he's unceremoniously sent back to the Ultimate Universe before we even get a chance to see what drove him to abandon his initial goal of leaving his life as a gangster behind or how he was even able to pull off such a heist in the first place.
** The Green Goblin of Earth-1610 was originally ''the'' BigBad of the entire Ultimate Spider-Man comic line [[HeroKiller who's murder of Peter Parker]] kickstarted the series of events that convinced Miles to step up and become the next Spider-Man in the first place. But under Ahmed, Norman is just [[InNameOnly a glorified enforcer]] to Ultimatum and acts nothing like [[TheDreaded nightmarish monster]] he once was.
*TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The entire Ultimatum Saga was shaping up to be the story arc that finally resolves the ContinuitySnarl which has plagued the character of Miles Morales ever since his messy immigration to Earth-616. Both Miles and his Uncle Aaron finally get to remember the entirety of their previous lives in the Ultimate Universe with there even being an opportunity for them to revisit Earth-1610 and for Miles to reconnect with members of his original supporting cast [[PutOnABus who didn't get to crossover with him.]] However, the breakneck pacing doesn't give the story enough time to explore the existential implications of them being refugees from a previously destroyed reality, leaving many readers feeling that Ahmed shouldn't have even bothered to open that can of worms again.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A number of plotpoints and elements in the run also seemed to take a number of the criticisms of Bendis' post-Secret Wars run in mind. Some of these include:
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was the the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assesor, Asset Quantum, and Ultimatum.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe have finally been acknowledged.
** More time has been spent focusing on Miles, his support cast, and community in Brooklyn rather than tying him into big crossover events.
** Changing up the utility of the Venom Blast. One consistent complaint of Bendis' tenure with the character was the the power would often instantly knock out whichever foe Miles was combatting, making most of the fight come off as trivialized. Under Ahmed, the power has mostly be tempered to being a general ShockAndAwe ability, with a number of Miles' enemies adapting to the ability by wearing insulated outfits to combat it.
** A number of original rogues have been created for Miles, including Frost Pharoh, Snatcher, The Assesor, Asset Quantum, and Ultimatum.
** Much of the ContinuitySnarl regarding Miles and his memories of the original Ultimate Universe have finally been acknowledged.
** More time has been spent focusing on Miles, his support cast, and community in Brooklyn rather than tying him into big crossover events.
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: This comic book is set after the ending of ''ComicBook/SpiderGeddon'' (which had not been released yet when #1 hits the stands). It does not say anything about the way it ends, but at least one thing is sure: Miles Morales survived it. A similar problem pops up with ''ComicBook/AbsoluteCarnage''. According to Creator/SaladinAhmed on Twitter, the Miles-related events of ''Absolute Carnage'' happen between issues 10 and 11 of Miles’ own book, ensuring that everything will go back to normal for Miles. Kind of undercuts the DarkestHour moment the kid’s at the center of in Issue 2...
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: This comic book is set after the ending of ''ComicBook/SpiderGeddon'' (which had not been released yet when #1 hits the stands). It does not say anything about the way it ends, but at least one thing is sure: Miles Morales survived it. A similar problem pops up with ''ComicBook/AbsoluteCarnage''. According to Creator/SaladinAhmed on Twitter, the Miles-related events of ''Absolute Carnage'' happen between issues 10 and 11 of Miles’ own book, ensuring that everything will go back to normal for Miles. Kind of undercuts the DarkestHour moment the kid’s cliffhanger that he's at the center of in Issue 2...
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: This comic book is set after the ending of ''ComicBook/SpiderGeddon'' (which had not been released yet when #1 hits the stands). It does not say anything about the way it ends, but at least one thing is sure: Miles Morales survived it. A similar problem pops up with ''ComicBook/AbsoluteCarnage''. According to Creator/SaladinAhmed on Twitter, the Miles-related events of ''Absolute Carnage'' happen between issues 10 and 11 of Miles’ own book, ensuring that everything will go back to normal for Miles. Kind of undercuts the DarkestHour moment the kid’s at the center of in Issue 2...
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Ahmed is the second comic book writer to write the solo comic books of Miles Morales, after the runs of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who created the character. When he was hired, we pointed that he's aware of this possible reaction and that he would do his best to prevent it. He compared Bendis' run with the ComicBook/LeeDitkoSpiderMan of the main Spider-Man: a great era, that created and defined many things about the character, but at some point someone had to replace them, keeping the quality of the character and continuing to introduce things.
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