History YMMV / MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker

29th Feb '16 9:05:47 AM PF
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** The game being broken up into short missions. Some think that it makes sense for portable play, and it keeps the pace up. It also allows going back to Mother Base in between missions. Others feel that it destroys tension as keeping track of your inventory is no longer an issue (ammo is never truly scarce), and stopping the action every 20 minutes breaks the game's flow.
* ContestedSequel: Many ''Franchise/MetalGear'' fans who do not own the PlayStationPortable and/or care for the system's controls consider ''Peace Walker'' an unworthy sequel, much like ''Portable Ops'' before it. Of course, the control issues were fixed for the ''HD Edition'' released for the {{PlayStation 3}} and {{Xbox 360}}.
** After the remastered editions were released, they went on to out-sell the original PSP version and was widely acclaimed. Worth noting is that Metal Gear Solid V is a direct sequel to Peace Walker, and "Ground Zeroes" picks up more or less directly after it.

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** The game being broken up into short missions. Some think that it makes sense for portable play, and it keeps the pace up. It also allows going back to Mother Base in between missions. Others feel that it destroys tension the tension, as keeping track of your inventory is no longer an issue (ammo is never truly scarce), and stopping the action every 20 minutes breaks the game's flow.
* ContestedSequel: Many ''Franchise/MetalGear'' fans who do not own the PlayStationPortable UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable and/or care for the system's controls consider ''Peace Walker'' an unworthy sequel, much like ''Portable Ops'' before it. Of course, the control issues were fixed for the ''HD Edition'' released for the {{PlayStation UsefulNotes/{{PlayStation 3}} and {{Xbox 360}}.
** After the remastered editions were released, they went on to out-sell the original PSP version and was widely acclaimed. Worth noting is that Metal Gear Solid V is a direct sequel to Peace Walker, and "Ground Zeroes" picks up more or less directly after it.
UsefulNotes/{{Xbox 360}}.



** Remember that little music video where Paz sings her theme song on top of Mother Base? [[spoiler: It's the exact same area where you fight her... with the song as the background music.]]

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** Remember that little music video where Paz sings her theme song on top of Mother Base? [[spoiler: It's the exact same area where you fight her... her, with the song as the background music.]]



** In a briefing file about Ruinas de Xochiquetzal, Paz mentions after Big Boss mentions he'd show respect to the temple only if the mood strikes him that he has no one to blame but himself if Xochiquetzal strikes him down for that defiance. [[spoiler:That line becomes a lot less funny when one of the lines that Paz states during her fight against Big Boss is "You have no one to blame but yourself!" when firing ZEKE's railgun at Snake.]]

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** In a briefing file about Ruinas de Xochiquetzal, Paz mentions after Big Boss mentions he'd show respect to the temple only if the mood strikes him that he has no one to blame but himself if Xochiquetzal strikes him down for that defiance. [[spoiler:That line becomes a lot less funny when one of the lines that Paz states during her fight against Big Boss is "You have no one to blame but yourself!" when firing ZEKE's railgun rail gun at Snake.]]



** The damn Velociprey in most of the ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'' missions. Not allowing you to reload? Getting in your way of firing potshots at the bosses? Leaping on you at the most inopportune times, knocking you down just as the boss is about to do something stupid? Just being an annoying part of the bosses? ''At least'' they let you cook up your rations. The funny thing is, they're faithful to their roles in VideoGame/MonsterHunter - being annoying pricks.

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** The damn Velociprey in most of the ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'' missions. Not allowing you to reload? Getting in your way of firing potshots at the bosses? Leaping on you at the most inopportune times, knocking you down just as the boss is about to do something stupid? Just being an annoying part of the bosses? ''At least'' they let you cook up your rations. The funny thing is, they're faithful to their roles in VideoGame/MonsterHunter ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'' - being annoying pricks.



** In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', Revolver Ocelot was fully complacent in the Patriots S3 Plan and was implied to be involved in the threat towards Olga's child's life if Olga didn't cooperate. In ''Peace Walker'', Ocelot himself was later revealed to have been under Sunny's position when The Boss and The Sorrow had their final battle at Dolinovodno.
** Anything involving Huey [[spoiler: in light of his actions in The Phantom Pain, where he becomes less of an Otacon-clone and more of a callous monster; it makes you wonder exactly how much truth there is to Coldman's comments regarding his plagiarism and exactly ''how skilled'' Huey is, given Skull Face's team are able to complete their Metal Gear ''without him'']].
* HilariousInHindsight: After Snake blows up the Chrysalis, he comments that Strangelove "played me like a piano". This is strikingly similar to a certain bit of MemeticMutation from ''Ground Zeroes''.
* HoYay: Kojima strikes again. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kie5hwjouNo Just listen to Paz 8th diary entry]]. Or watch the, well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVPfF8Ir1g date with Kaz]]. It's official: Kojima is actively pre-empting the slash fiction continuum. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/MetalGear More info in here.]]
* IKnewIt: [[spoiler: "So wait, at the "endgame" the question of the discrepancy between Cécile and Paz stories concerning their capture by the CIA and the origin of the tape Vladimir Zadornov used to assure Big Boss's involvement still hasn't been answered? One of them isn't telling the truth... now which one is the ''least'' likely to be a traitor...?"]]

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** In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', Revolver Ocelot was fully complacent in the Patriots Patriots' S3 Plan and was implied to be involved in the threat towards Olga's Olga Gurlukovich's child's life if Olga didn't cooperate. In ''Peace Walker'', Ocelot himself was later revealed to have been under Sunny's position when The Boss and The Sorrow had their final battle at Dolinovodno.
** Anything involving Huey [[spoiler: in light of his actions in The Phantom Pain, ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'', where he becomes less of an Otacon-clone and more of a callous monster; it makes you wonder exactly how much truth there is to Coldman's comments regarding his plagiarism and exactly ''how skilled'' Huey is, given Skull Face's team are able to complete their Metal Gear ''without him'']].
* HilariousInHindsight: After Snake blows up the Chrysalis, he comments that Strangelove "played me like a piano". This is strikingly similar to a certain bit of MemeticMutation from ''Ground Zeroes''.
''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVGroundZeroes''.
* HoYay: Kojima Creator/HideoKojima strikes again. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kie5hwjouNo Just listen to Paz 8th diary entry]]. Or watch the, well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVPfF8Ir1g date with Kaz]]. It's official: Kojima is actively pre-empting the slash fiction continuum. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/MetalGear More info in here.]]
* IKnewIt: [[spoiler: "So wait, at the "endgame" the question of the discrepancy between Cécile and Paz Paz's stories concerning their capture by the CIA and the origin of the tape Vladimir Zadornov used to assure Big Boss's involvement still hasn't been answered? One of them isn't telling the truth... now which one is the ''least'' likely to be a traitor...?"]]



* {{Moe}}: Paz, the cutest girl in the franchise since Emma Emmerich. To a lesser extent, Cecile.

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* {{Moe}}: Paz, the cutest girl in the franchise since Emma Emmerich. To a lesser extent, Cecile.



** [[spoiler: In a cruel twist, The Boss's horse must be euthanised by the player while also shooting The Boss again in a flashback, ''one right after the other''.]]

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** [[spoiler: In a cruel twist, The Boss's horse must be euthanised euthanized by the player while also shooting The Boss again in a flashback, ''one right after the other''.]]



* PolishedPort: The HD Collection edition of the game for the [=PS3=] and [=Xbox360=] has improved controls thanks to dual analogue sticks. Being ported to consoles with proper online support makes the versus and co-op multiplayer a viable option.

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* PolishedPort: The HD Collection edition ''HD Edition'' of the game for the [=PS3=] and [=Xbox360=] Xbox 360 has improved controls thanks to dual analogue analog sticks. Being ported to consoles with proper online support makes the versus and co-op multiplayer a viable option.



** Paz. Most find her {{Moe}} persona extremely saccharine and more annoying or creepy than cute. [[spoiler: Post-reveal, she becomes more of a BaseBreaker, as she is either RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by her tapes and true role in the story adding a lot of nuance to her character, or comes off even worse due to her betrayal of MSF and attempting to frame them by launching a nuke at the US. There's also the fact that she throws the player on a wild goose chase every time she frees Zadornov]].

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** Paz. Most find her {{Moe}} persona extremely saccharine and more annoying or creepy than cute. [[spoiler: Post-reveal, she becomes more of a BaseBreaker, as she is either RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by her tapes and true role in the story adding a lot of nuance to her character, or comes off even worse due to her betrayal of MSF and attempting to frame them by launching a nuke at the US.U.S. There's also the fact that she throws the player on a wild goose chase every time she frees Zadornov]].



** Huey Emmerich, a [[GenerationXerox poor man]]'s Otacon. Whereas Otacon's considerable angst made him TheWoobie, in Huey's case, while he does have some legitimate grievances, many players just see him as selfish and {{Wangst}}y instead. Mind you, this is all before VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain.
* ScrappyLevel: The torture chamber escape. In a throwback to Solid Snake's escape from prison in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', there's more than one way to escape, but the game doesn't flat out tell you what they are, [[spoiler:instead just expecting you to look around the room for unusual prompts]], which irritates some players, and once out, you're practically naked (and literally naked, too, at least from the waist up). Having to button mash very quickly for the first time since ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', with no way to opt out, doesn't help matters. Luckily, unlike many other levels in the game, [[AntiFrustrationFeatures it doesn't count the torture cutscenes as cutscene interaction]], meaning that if you know what to do, you can actually escape the level with an S-Rank. You ''will'' still die a lot due to how punishing the torture session is, though.
** If you wonder exactly what makes this part so hard, the speed you are expected to press the button is so fast that even you somehow get past it, your finger will be strained for at least a week from pressing the button so fast. And even worst, the presses are programmed so fast that ''turbo controllers can't even keep up''.

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** Huey Emmerich, a [[GenerationXerox poor man]]'s Otacon. Whereas Otacon's considerable angst made him TheWoobie, in Huey's case, while he does have some legitimate grievances, many players just see him as selfish and {{Wangst}}y instead. Mind you, this is all before VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain.
''The Phantom Pain''.
* ScrappyLevel: The torture chamber escape. In a throwback to Solid Snake's escape from prison in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', there's more than one way to escape, but the game doesn't flat out tell you what they are, [[spoiler:instead just expecting you to look around the room for unusual prompts]], which irritates some players, and once out, you're practically naked (and literally naked, too, at least from the waist up). Having to button mash very quickly for the first time since ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', ''Metal Gear Solid'', with no way to opt out, doesn't help matters. Luckily, unlike many other levels in the game, [[AntiFrustrationFeatures it doesn't count the torture cutscenes as cutscene interaction]], meaning that if you know what to do, you can actually escape the level with an S-Rank. You ''will'' still die a lot due to how punishing the torture session is, though.
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though. If you wonder exactly what makes this part so hard, the speed you are expected to press the button is so fast that even you somehow get past it, your finger will be strained for at least a week from pressing the button so fast. And even worst, the presses are programmed so fast that ''turbo controllers can't even keep up''.



* TheyJustDidntCare: At the end of Chapter 4, Snake removes The Boss' bandanna and lets it fly into the sea. In [[ExtendedGameplay Chapter 5]], Snake ''still wears it'', even in story missions and the graphic novel cutscenes.

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* TheyJustDidntCare: At the end of Chapter 4, Snake removes The Boss' bandanna bandana and lets it fly into the sea. In [[ExtendedGameplay Chapter 5]], Snake ''still wears it'', even in story missions and the graphic novel cutscenes.
17th Feb '16 8:17:02 AM tbbrownah
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17th Feb '16 8:16:36 AM tbbrownah
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* MostAnnoyingSound: The AI weapons' singing.
14th Feb '16 4:59:29 PM Matt620
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* {{Moe}}: Paz, the cutest girl in the franchise since Emma Emmerich.

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* {{Moe}}: Paz, the cutest girl in the franchise since Emma Emmerich. To a lesser extent, Cecile.
22nd Nov '15 6:08:30 AM morninglight
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* {{XenSyndrome}}: The entirety of chapters 4 and 5 are punishingly difficult in single player, and require ridiculous amounts of grinding in the side missions.
8th Sep '15 4:06:57 PM AlleyOop
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* HarsherInHindsight: In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', Revolver Ocelot was fully complacent in the Patriots S3 Plan and was implied to be involved in the threat towards Olga's child's life if Olga didn't cooperate. In ''Peace Walker'', Ocelot himself was later revealed to have been under Sunny's position when The Boss and The Sorrow had their final battle at Dolinovodno.
** Anything involving [[spoiler: Huey in light of his actions in The Phantom Pain, where he becomes less of an Otacon-clone and more of a callous monster; it makes you wonder exactly how much truth there is to Coldman's comments regarding his plagiarism and exactly ''how skilled'' Huey is, given Skull Face's team are able to complete their Metal Gear ''without him'']].

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', Revolver Ocelot was fully complacent in the Patriots S3 Plan and was implied to be involved in the threat towards Olga's child's life if Olga didn't cooperate. In ''Peace Walker'', Ocelot himself was later revealed to have been under Sunny's position when The Boss and The Sorrow had their final battle at Dolinovodno.
** Anything involving Huey [[spoiler: Huey in light of his actions in The Phantom Pain, where he becomes less of an Otacon-clone and more of a callous monster; it makes you wonder exactly how much truth there is to Coldman's comments regarding his plagiarism and exactly ''how skilled'' Huey is, given Skull Face's team are able to complete their Metal Gear ''without him'']].


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* TheScrappy:
** Paz. Most find her {{Moe}} persona extremely saccharine and more annoying or creepy than cute. [[spoiler: Post-reveal, she becomes more of a BaseBreaker, as she is either RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by her tapes and true role in the story adding a lot of nuance to her character, or comes off even worse due to her betrayal of MSF and attempting to frame them by launching a nuke at the US. There's also the fact that she throws the player on a wild goose chase every time she frees Zadornov]].
** Chico is not particularly popular due to getting captured, selling his teammates out and being seen as little more than an annoying TagalongKid.
** Huey Emmerich, a [[GenerationXerox poor man]]'s Otacon. Whereas Otacon's considerable angst made him TheWoobie, in Huey's case, while he does have some legitimate grievances, many players just see him as selfish and {{Wangst}}y instead. Mind you, this is all before VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain.
6th Sep '15 6:54:19 AM MrStath2015
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** Anything involving [[spoiler: Huey in light of his actions in The Phantom Pain, where he becomes less of an Otacon-clone and more of a callous monster; it makes you wonder exactly how much truth there is to Coldman's comments regarding his plagiarism and exactly ''how skilled'' Huey is, given Skull Face's team are able to complete their Metal Gear ''without him'']].
5th Sep '15 7:45:10 PM AlleyOop
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: One of the early game powerful soldiers you recruit in the game is named Alligator. He quickly became ''the'' MSF member.
%%* FauxSymbolism: [[spoiler: The Mammal Pod is full of butterflies, which become the pale petals of Rokovoj Bereg. The final butterfly becomes a peace symbol upon contact with water! Hideo Kojima is a genius, stop looking confused!]]
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** Remember that little music video where Paz sings her theme song on top of Mother Base? [[spoiler: It's the exact same area where you fight her... with the song as the background music.]]
** The Tactical Espionage Operations trailer has Kazuhira Miller explaining to Big Boss about their potential future role in the economy, as well as Big Boss explaining that they probably shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place because people are going to get rid of him. It becomes a heck of a lot more harsh after beating the game, as this was actually part of the second ending, [[spoiler:a few hours after defeating Paz, where Miller ends up admitting to his involvement in Cipher's scheme.]]
** In a briefing file about Ruinas de Xochiquetzal, Paz mentions after Big Boss mentions he'd show respect to the temple only if the mood strikes him that he has no one to blame but himself if Xochiquetzal strikes him down for that defiance. [[spoiler:That line becomes a lot less funny when one of the lines that Paz states during her fight against Big Boss is "You have no one to blame but yourself!" when firing ZEKE's railgun at Snake.]]
** Miller's English voice actor is British-born Robin Atkin Downes, which is ironic when you take into account of the fact that [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid about 31 years later]], British-raised Liquid Snake does pose as Master Miller.]]



* EnsembleDarkhorse: One of the early game powerful soldiers you recruit in the game is named Alligator. He quickly became ''the'' MSF member.
%%* FauxSymbolism: [[spoiler: The Mammal Pod is full of butterflies, which become the pale petals of Rokovoj Bereg. The final butterfly becomes a peace symbol upon contact with water! Hideo Kojima is a genius, stop looking confused!]]
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** Remember that little music video where Paz sings her theme song on top of Mother Base? [[spoiler: It's the exact same area where you fight her... with the song as the background music.]]
** The Tactical Espionage Operations trailer has Kazuhira Miller explaining to Big Boss about their potential future role in the economy, as well as Big Boss explaining that they probably shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place because people are going to get rid of him. It becomes a heck of a lot more harsh after beating the game, as this was actually part of the second ending, [[spoiler:a few hours after defeating Paz, where Miller ends up admitting to his involvement in Cipher's scheme.]]
** In a briefing file about Ruinas de Xochiquetzal, Paz mentions after Big Boss mentions he'd show respect to the temple only if the mood strikes him that he has no one to blame but himself if Xochiquetzal strikes him down for that defiance. [[spoiler:That line becomes a lot less funny when one of the lines that Paz states during her fight against Big Boss is "You have no one to blame but yourself!" when firing ZEKE's railgun at Snake.]]
** Miller's English voice actor is British-born Robin Atkin Downes, which is ironic when you take into account of the fact that [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid about 31 years later]], British-raised Liquid Snake does pose as Master Miller.]]
30th Aug '15 1:16:56 AM SandyGunfox
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** After the remastered editions were released, they went on to out-sell the original PSP version and was widely acclaimed. Worth noting is that Metal Gear Solid V is a direct sequel to Peace Walker, and "Ground Zeroes" picks up more or less directly after it.
4th Jul '15 10:11:42 AM omega05
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** Holding up enemy soldiers causes them to ''permanently'' lie down on the ground even if the player character walks away for some time. This tactic is especially useful because for some reason the guards will never tell held up comrades to get up.
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