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* SnarkBait: This series is often brought up as an example of everything wrong with modern (at least when it was written) young adult literature.
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** Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original is regarded by many as not aging well.
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** Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original is regarded by many as not aging well.
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** Dylan, who is introduced six books in and relentlessly pushed (in-universe and out) [[CharacterShilling as the perfect romantic partner for Max in every possible way]], ''and'' he's as good a fighter as all of them, ''and'' he's supposedly better for the pack than Fang despite being [[FlatCharacter blander and less interesting]] in every concievable way. This went over with [[DieForOurShip shippers]] and non-shippers alike about as well as you would expect.
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** Dylan, who is introduced six books in and relentlessly pushed (in-universe and out) [[CharacterShilling as the perfect romantic partner for Max in every possible way]], ''and'' he's as good a fighter as all of them, ''and'' he's supposedly better for the pack than Fang despite being [[FlatCharacter blander and less interesting]] in every concievable conceivable way. This went over with [[DieForOurShip shippers]] and non-shippers alike about as well as you would expect.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: ''Maximum Ride Forever''. [[spoiler:The world has been ravaged by an apocalypse that pretty much kills all of the Flock's loved ones, the new world is a dangerous place inhabited mostly by mutants, and chances of survival are looking fairly slim. But hey, [[OnlyTheLeadsGetAHappyEnding the whole Flock is alive!]] [[BabiesMakeEverythingBetter And Max gave birth!]] [[TeenPregnancy At fourteen]]...yeah.]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original is regarded by many as not aging well.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: AdaptationDisplacement:
** Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original is regarded by many as not agingwell.well.
** The series is actually based on an earlier two-book series by the same author, ''When The Wind Blows'' and ''The Lake House''. Naturally, far more people know about ''Maximum Ride'', especially since the two series barely resemble each other.
** Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original is regarded by many as not aging
** The series is actually based on an earlier two-book series by the same author, ''When The Wind Blows'' and ''The Lake House''. Naturally, far more people know about ''Maximum Ride'', especially since the two series barely resemble each other.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Dylan was widely despised by the fandom for shunting Fang out of the way while proclaiming himself superior in every way ([[InformedAttribute he wasn't]]) and for taking the books' infamous RomanticPlotTumor up to [[UpToEleven previously unseen levels.]] A lot of fans felt he managed to redeem himself in the final book, however, when [[spoiler: he realizes that Max will only love Fang and [[HeroicSacrifice gives his life to revive Fang]] so he and Max can [[OfficialCouple be together once more.]]]]
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Dylan was widely despised by the fandom for shunting Fang out of the way while proclaiming himself superior in every way ([[InformedAttribute he wasn't]]) and for taking the books' infamous RomanticPlotTumor up to [[UpToEleven previously unseen levels.]] A lot of fans felt he managed to redeem himself in the final book, however, when [[spoiler: he realizes that Max will only love Fang and [[HeroicSacrifice and gives his life to revive Fang]] Fang so he and Max can [[OfficialCouple be together once more.]]]]]]
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If she didn't know that, it's not a example of her being an idiot.
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* ShockingSwerve: Virtually every twist in the series applies, but the one that really takes the cake is [[spoiler:Mr. Chu being some sort of... alien... thing wearing a Franchise/ScoobyDoo-style mask]]. This was never explained, or even ''mentioned'' for the rest of the series.
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* ShockingSwerve: Virtually every twist in the series applies, but the one that really takes the cake is [[spoiler:Mr. Chu being some sort of... alien... thing wearing a Franchise/ScoobyDoo-style Scooby Doo-style mask]]. This was never explained, or even ''mentioned'' for the rest of the series.
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%% * WhatAnIdiot: In ''Saving The World and Other Extreme Sports'', Max decides to have Dr. Martinez surgically remove a microchip inside her arm to get rid of the Voice, knowing that she could risk losing the ability to use one of her hands. [[spoiler:So Max decides to go through with the procedure, and lo and behold her left hand goes slack. [[FromBadToWorse Not only that,]] but guess what? '''''THE VOICE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHIP IN THE FIRST PLACE!''''' Max just gave up a perfectly good hand]].
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%% ** For some, all the shit Ari's been through can really tugs on one's heartstrings. He's ''seven years old''.
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** Angel, though widely disliked amongst the fandom, constantly gets a bunch of powers, and is now apparently going to get her own book, ''Angel: A Maximum Ride Novel''.
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** Angel, though widely disliked amongst the fandom, constantly gets a bunch of powers, and is now apparently going to get her own book, ''Angel: A Maximum Ride Novel''.eventually got a book titled after her.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Anyone who knows anything about Game Boys could tell you that they don't have downloadable games, and certainly wouldn't have a bunch of them pre-installed if they did. And that you don't sell the display copy of a game console.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Anyone who knows anything about Game Boys could tell you that they don't have downloadable games, and certainly wouldn't have a bunch of them pre-installed if they did. And that you don't sell the display copy of a game console. The manga fixes the first issue by turning it into a BlandNameProduct, but not the second.
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%% ** Max 2, aka Maya.
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* CreatorsPet: Angel, though widely disliked amongst the fandom, constantly gets a bunch of powers, and is now apparently going to get her own book, ''Angel: A Maximum Ride Novel''.
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* CreatorsPet: CreatorsPet:
** Angel, though widely disliked amongst the fandom, constantly gets a bunch of powers, and is now apparently going to get her own book, ''Angel: A Maximum Ride Novel''.
** Angel, though widely disliked amongst the fandom, constantly gets a bunch of powers, and is now apparently going to get her own book, ''Angel: A Maximum Ride Novel''.
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Iggy, who in fanfiction has been paired with every member of the Flock (yes, even with 6-year-old Angel), Dylan, and Maya. And that's not even mentioning the sheer amount of OCs the fandom comes up with. [[CrossoverShipping Or even the crossovers...]]
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Iggy, who in fanfiction has been paired with every member of the Flock (yes, even with 6-year-old Angel), Dylan, and Maya. And that's not even mentioning the sheer amount of OCs {{Original Character}}s the fandom comes up with. [[CrossoverShipping Or even the crossovers...]]
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* MST3KMantra: Mostly applies to the first three books, but the series is a lot more enjoyable if you focus less on logic and more on the fact that superpowered bird kids are fighting an evil corporation and their wolf henchmen.
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* SnarkBait: This series is often brought up as an example of everything wrong with modern (at least when it was written) young adult literature.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Dylan was widely despised by the fandom for shunting Fang out of the way while proclaiming himself superior in every way ([[InformedAttribute he wasn't]]) and for taking the books' infamous RomanticPlotTumor up to [[UpToEleven previously unseen levels.]] A lot of fans felt he managed to redeem himself in the final book, however, when [[spoiler: he realizes that Max will only love Fang and [[HeroicSacrifice gives his life to revive Fang]] so he and Max can [[OfficialCouple be together once more.]]]]
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** Dylan, who is introduced six books in and relentlessly pushed (in-universe and out) [[CharacterShilling as the perfect romantic partner for Max in every possible way]], ''and'' he's as good a fighter as all of them, ''and'' he's supposedly better for the pack than Fang despite being [[FlatCharacter blander and less interesting]] in every concievable way. This went over with [[DieForOurShip shippers]] and non-shippers alike about as well as you would expect.
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** [[Series/OrphanBlack Sound familiar?]]
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** [[Series/OrphanBlack [[Series/OrphanBlack ...Sound familiar?]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: Let's start off by pointing out that the series focuses on ArtificialHuman characters on the run from the unethical scientists who created them. Going from there...
** Among the artificial humans:
*** The tough, streetwise, boot-wearing ActionGirl. She's the main character and the first one we meet. Her on-and-off LoveInterest is a charming, clever, mysterious badass who sometimes separates from her and does his own thing but is always there for her in the end.
*** TheSmartGuy, a chill, laid-back scientific expert who has a chronic disability from back in the lab. This character has a somewhat more childish and comical friend who is nonetheless a skilled expert and an invaluable ally.
*** TheFashionista, who is talkative and seemingly ditzy but also surprisingly perceptive. She appears to have a happy life but is actually lonely and just wants to fit in.
*** The CuteAndPsycho blonde. She has a childlike personality and outlook but often seems off her rocker and can be terrifyingly vicious if you piss her off. She also shares a mysterious connection with the main character.
*** The sassy guy with dark hair. Technically, he's not one of them, but they consider him an honorary member of the group.
** Other characters in the same series include:
*** A fatherly figure who helped design the main characters but ended up defecting from the scientific institute when he saw how unethical it was.
*** The main character's adoptive mother figure, who turns out to be more closely related to her than she knew.
*** The main character's biological brother. Initially, he appears insane and dangerous and works for the scientists who created the heroes. Later, he ends up doing a HeelFaceTurn.
*** At least one cold, unpleasant [[TheBaroness Baroness]] figure who works as a scientist in the institute that designed the main characters.
** [[Series/OrphanBlack Sound familiar?]]
** Among the artificial humans:
*** The tough, streetwise, boot-wearing ActionGirl. She's the main character and the first one we meet. Her on-and-off LoveInterest is a charming, clever, mysterious badass who sometimes separates from her and does his own thing but is always there for her in the end.
*** TheSmartGuy, a chill, laid-back scientific expert who has a chronic disability from back in the lab. This character has a somewhat more childish and comical friend who is nonetheless a skilled expert and an invaluable ally.
*** TheFashionista, who is talkative and seemingly ditzy but also surprisingly perceptive. She appears to have a happy life but is actually lonely and just wants to fit in.
*** The CuteAndPsycho blonde. She has a childlike personality and outlook but often seems off her rocker and can be terrifyingly vicious if you piss her off. She also shares a mysterious connection with the main character.
*** The sassy guy with dark hair. Technically, he's not one of them, but they consider him an honorary member of the group.
** Other characters in the same series include:
*** A fatherly figure who helped design the main characters but ended up defecting from the scientific institute when he saw how unethical it was.
*** The main character's adoptive mother figure, who turns out to be more closely related to her than she knew.
*** The main character's biological brother. Initially, he appears insane and dangerous and works for the scientists who created the heroes. Later, he ends up doing a HeelFaceTurn.
*** At least one cold, unpleasant [[TheBaroness Baroness]] figure who works as a scientist in the institute that designed the main characters.
** [[Series/OrphanBlack Sound familiar?]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco original is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* DeaderThanDisco: The series went from a New York Times bestseller (even with talks of a movie adaptation) to near-obscurity due to increased amounts of {{ass pull}}s, {{anvilicious}} {{green Aesop}}s, and a very poorly done ReTool to appeal to the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' crowd. The final book came out with almost no fanfare. It really says something when its ''manga adaptation'' is more well-known and better regarded, to the point of AdaptationDisplacement. In 2016, the film adaptation was finally released, but many didn't even know it existed until it was put on Netflix.
%% * DontShootTheMessage: The fourth book
%% * EnsembleDarkhorse:
%% ** Max's Voice in her head. [[spoiler:This may change now that the final book has revealed the Voice to have been [[CreatorsPet Angel]] the entire time...]]
%% ** Total.
* FanonDiscontinuity: A few fans have ignored the TrilogyCreep by deciding that only the first three books are canon.
* HilariousInHindsight: ''School's Out -- Forever'' has a scene where a kid at Disneyland mistakes Ari for ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and asks for his autograph. Creator/{{Disney}} bought Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} several years after the book was released.
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%% ** [[TheWoobie Jeb]] and [[MadScientist Roland]]. (And ''how''!)
%% ** Also [[TroubledButCute Fang]] and [[BrokenBird Iggy]].
%% * DontShootTheMessage: The fourth book
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%% ** Max's Voice in her head. [[spoiler:This may change now that the final book has revealed the Voice to have been [[CreatorsPet Angel]] the entire time...]]
%% ** Total.
* FanonDiscontinuity: A few fans have ignored the TrilogyCreep by deciding that only the first three books are canon.
* HilariousInHindsight: ''School's Out -- Forever'' has a scene where a kid at Disneyland mistakes Ari for ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and asks for his autograph. Creator/{{Disney}} bought Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} several years after the book was released.
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%% ** [[TheWoobie Jeb]] and [[MadScientist Roland]]. (And ''how''!)
%% ** Also [[TroubledButCute Fang]] and [[BrokenBird Iggy]].
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* ShockingSwerve: Virtually every twist in the series applies, but the one that really takes the cake is [[spoiler:Mr. Chu being some sort of... alien... thing wearing a ScoobyDoo-style mask]]. This was never explained, or even ''mentioned'' for the rest of the series.
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* ShockingSwerve: Virtually every twist in the series applies, but the one that really takes the cake is [[spoiler:Mr. Chu being some sort of... alien... thing wearing a ScoobyDoo-style Franchise/ScoobyDoo-style mask]]. This was never explained, or even ''mentioned'' for the rest of the series.
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Max. Considering that the book is written entirely in first person and her masculine name, it's no wonder. It's not clear at all that she's female until at least about fifty pages into ''The Angel Experiment'', when she is finally referred to with a female pronoun.
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Max. Considering that the book is written entirely in first person and her masculine gender-neutral name, it's no wonder. It's not clear at all that she's female until at least about fifty pages into ''The Angel Experiment'', when she is finally referred to with a female pronoun.
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* WhatAnIdiot: In ''Saving The World and Other Extreme Sports'', Max decides to have Dr. Martinez surgically remove a microchip inside her arm to get rid of the Voice, knowing that she could risk losing the ability to use one of her hands. [[spoiler:So Max decides to go through with the procedure, and lo and behold her left hand goes slack. [[FromBadToWorse Not only that,]] but guess what? '''''THE VOICE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHIP IN THE FIRST PLACE!''''' Max just gave up a perfectly good hand]].
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%% * WhatAnIdiot: In ''Saving The World and Other Extreme Sports'', Max decides to have Dr. Martinez surgically remove a microchip inside her arm to get rid of the Voice, knowing that she could risk losing the ability to use one of her hands. [[spoiler:So Max decides to go through with the procedure, and lo and behold her left hand goes slack. [[FromBadToWorse Not only that,]] but guess what? '''''THE VOICE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHIP IN THE FIRST PLACE!''''' Max just gave up a perfectly good hand]].
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%% * RelationshipSue: Dylan, in universe.
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Iggy, who in fanfiction has been paired with every member of the Flock (yes, even with 6-year-old Angel), Dylan, and Maya. And that's not even mentioning the sheer amount of {{Mary Sue}}s and OCs the fandom comes up with. [[CrossoverShipping Or even the crossovers...]]
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Iggy, who in fanfiction has been paired with every member of the Flock (yes, even with 6-year-old Angel), Dylan, and Maya. And that's not even mentioning the sheer amount of {{Mary Sue}}s and OCs the fandom comes up with. [[CrossoverShipping Or even the crossovers...]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by NaRae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Today, the series is better known for the comic adaptation by NaRae Na Rae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The manga to the original novels. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The manga to Today, the original novels.series is better known for the comic adaptation by NaRae Lee than for the novels themselves. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* DeaderThanDisco: The series went from a New York Times bestseller (even with talks of a movie adaptation) to near-obscurity due to increased amounts of {{ass pull}}s, {{anvilicious}} {{green Aesop}}s, and a very poorly done ReTool to appeal to the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' crowd. The final book came out with almost no fanfare. It really says something when its ''manga adaptation'' is more well-known and better regarded, to the point of AdaptationDisplacement.
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* DeaderThanDisco: The series went from a New York Times bestseller (even with talks of a movie adaptation) to near-obscurity due to increased amounts of {{ass pull}}s, {{anvilicious}} {{green Aesop}}s, and a very poorly done ReTool to appeal to the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' crowd. The final book came out with almost no fanfare. It really says something when its ''manga adaptation'' is more well-known and better regarded, to the point of AdaptationDisplacement. In 2016, the film adaptation was finally released, but many didn't even know it existed until it was put on Netflix.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The manga to the original novel. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The manga to the original novel.novels. Then again, the original [[DeaderThanDisco is regarded by many as not aging well.]]
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* DeaderThanDisco: The series went from a New York Times bestseller (even with talks of a movie adaptation) to near-obscurity due to increased amounts of {{ass pull}}s, {{anvilicious}} {{green Aesop}}s, and a very poorly done ReTool to appeal to the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' crowd. The final book came out with almost no fanfare. It really says something when its ''manga adaptation'' is more well-known and better regarded, to the point of AdaptationDisplacement..
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* DeaderThanDisco: The series went from a New York Times bestseller (even with talks of a movie adaptation) to near-obscurity due to increased amounts of {{ass pull}}s, {{anvilicious}} {{green Aesop}}s, and a very poorly done ReTool to appeal to the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' crowd. The final book came out with almost no fanfare. It really says something when its ''manga adaptation'' is more well-known and better regarded, to the point of AdaptationDisplacement..AdaptationDisplacement.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The entirety of ''Maximum Ride Forever'' could be viewed as an attempt to patch the disastrously-received ending of ''Nevermore''. [[FromBadToWorse Let's just say it didn't work.]]
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** Roland suggesting that the under aged Max and Dylan (who is really 8 months old) breed together. Not later when they're older, no they should do it right now. He even has a home set up for them already, not to mention how Jeb agrees with him. Thankfully Dr. Martinez goes Mama Bear on his ass.
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** Roland suggesting that the under aged Max and Dylan (who is really 8 months old) breed together. Not later when they're older, no they should do it right now. He even has a home set up for them already, not to mention how Jeb agrees with him. Thankfully Dr. Martinez goes Mama Bear Martinez goes MamaBear on his ass.
