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** Whether or not this version can be salvaged by a different writer. Ever since it's overall dissolution following the end of the last miniseries, fans have been divided on whether the Bendisboot can be saved by a different creative team due to the implications about going back to one of the previous, less diverse continuities. Others argue that the Bendisboot was so overall problematic that a return to a previous continuity would honestly still be less racist (considering the Reboot especially was far more inclusive and handled in a better wat). A third party argues that DC should just make use of the Legions existing in separate worlds to let them ''all'' have stories (like they previously set up after ''Legion of 3 Worlds'').

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** Whether or not this version can be salvaged by a different writer. Ever since it's overall dissolution following the end of the last miniseries, fans have been divided on whether the Bendisboot can be saved by a different creative team due to the implications about going back to one of the previous, less diverse continuities. Others argue that the Bendisboot was so overall problematic that a return to a previous continuity would honestly still be less racist (considering the Reboot especially was far more inclusive and handled in a better wat).way). A third party argues that DC should just make use of the Legions existing in separate worlds to let them ''all'' have stories (like they previously set up after ''Legion of 3 Worlds'').
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** Whether or not this version can be salvaged by a different writer. Ever since it's overall dissolution following the end of the last miniseries, fans have been divided on whether the Bendisboot can be saved by a different creative team due to the implications about going back to one of the previous, less diverse continuities. Others argue that the Bendisboot was so overall problematic that a return to a previous continuity would honestly still be less racist (considering the Reboot especially was far more inclusive and handled in a better wat). A third party argues that DC should just make use of the Legions existing in separate worlds to let them ''all'' have stories (like they previously set up after ''Legion of 3 Worlds'').

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* BrokenBase: Fan reception to Bendis' take on the Legion has been divided since the moment it was first announced. Some Legion fans are happy with a new continuity and a fresh start, believing the franchise vision of the future needed to be updated, alongside Ryan Sook's gorgeous designs. Others argue the book is an incoherent, poorly edited mess where most of the Legionnaires simply stand around in the background or ramble on about nothing, and another continuity reboot is only going to make the Legion more inaccessible for new readers. By the crossover with the Justice League, even the most diehard fans grew to hate the Bendisboot as Bendis's plots went nowhere and characterization came to a complete stop.

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Fan reception to Bendis' take on the Legion has been divided since the moment it was first announced. Some Legion fans are happy with a new continuity and a fresh start, believing the franchise vision of the future needed to be updated, alongside Ryan Sook's gorgeous designs. Others argue the book is an incoherent, poorly edited mess where most of the Legionnaires simply stand around in the background or ramble on about nothing, and another continuity reboot is only going to make the Legion more inaccessible for new readers. By the crossover with the Justice League, even the most diehard fans grew to hate the Bendisboot as Bendis's plots went nowhere and characterization came to a complete stop.stop.
** Ryan Sook's designs, while previously receiving unanimous praise from the fandom, have begun gaining criticism due to complaints of many of them being overdrawn with too many unnecessary details such as excessive piping and clashing layouts. While some have argued they're simply updates of previous costumes (Chameleon Boy's harkens to his animated counterpart and Princess Projectra's is reminiscent of her 70s design), others have argued they're yet another example of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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** Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichaelBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.

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** Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil necessary with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichaelBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.
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* DontShootTheMessage: Bendis's attempt to make the Legion look more racially inclusive was one of the few things people pointed to when telling others to give his Legion a try as previous versions were historically mostly white humanoids. But that defense quickly worked against Bendis when it became obvious none of the examples of RaceLift were thought out in advance, to the point of making this comic look even more racist by accident and Bendis's efforts clearly being seen as nothing but performative.
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--->'''Lian Harper''': Are you sure you're the Legion of Super-Heroes or the Legion of people who fly around and do ''nothing?''

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--->'''Lian Harper''': Are you sure you're the Legion of Super-Heroes or and not the Legion of people who fly around and do ''nothing?''

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** The Bendis Legion as a whole has set off numerous Legion fans who view this iteration as a shoddy imitation of all the previous Legions. Common complaints about Bendis's take on the Legionnaires are that practically none of them have any real development and only vaguely resemble the characters InNameOnly. Those who have received the biggest ire are Saturn Girl (for blatantly being a major Jon Kent fangirl to the point she wonders if she might've accidentally brainwashed the team into recruiting him, up to her now dating him making her seem like a creepy, self-obsessed stalker), Mon-El (who is an AdaptationalJerkass, a jealous descendant of Jon, and a bad father) the Ranzz Twins (due to their backstory reeking of racist undertones thanks to receiving a RaceLift by making them both Black yet giving them a stereotypical backstory that seems totally out of place for a story set a thousand years in the future), and Karate Kid (whose redesign included giving him a hideously outdated Manchu braid and making him Chinese also came across as racist for treating Val's Asian heritage as interchangeable). Not helping matters at all is knowing this Legion only sought out Jon Kent because they were convinced he had to help them despite that Jon did nothing at this point in his life to warrant such praise, while the Legions that recruited his father only did so as a way to say thank you for being their inspiration without pressuring him. It's telling that the only story to come out of this Legion that fans unanimously enjoyed was in ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' and had the virtue of Bendis not being involved in its creation at all.

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** The Bendis Legion as a whole has set off numerous Legion fans who view this iteration as a shoddy imitation of all the previous Legions. Common complaints about Bendis's take on the Legionnaires are that practically none of them have any real development and only vaguely resemble the characters InNameOnly. Those who have received the biggest ire are Saturn Girl (for blatantly being a major Jon Kent fangirl to the point she wonders if she might've accidentally brainwashed the team into recruiting him, up to her now dating him making her seem like a creepy, self-obsessed stalker), Mon-El (who is an AdaptationalJerkass, a jealous descendant of Jon, and a bad father) the Ranzz Twins (due to their backstory reeking of racist undertones thanks to receiving a RaceLift by making them both Black yet giving them a stereotypical backstory that seems totally out of place for a story set a thousand years in the future), and Karate Kid (whose redesign included giving him a hideously outdated Manchu braid and making him Chinese also came across as racist for treating Val's Asian heritage as interchangeable). Not helping matters at all is knowing this Legion only sought out Jon Kent because they were convinced he had to help them despite that Jon did nothing at this point in his life to warrant such praise, while the Legions that recruited his father only did so as a way to say thank you for being their inspiration without pressuring him. It's telling that the only story to come out of this Legion that fans unanimously enjoyed was in ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' and had the virtue of Bendis not being involved in its creation at all. The Bendisboot's unpopularity has been noticed in ''ComicBook/GreenArrow2023'', wherein Lian Harper grows exhausted by Brainiac 5 and Saturn Girl's unwillingness to answer her questions or do anything about finding her grandfather until after she browbeats them.
--->'''Lian Harper''': Are you sure you're the Legion of Super-Heroes or the Legion of people who fly around and do ''nothing?''
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** Dawnstar being given the last name "Gr'ell" was clearly meant to honor her co-creator Mike Grell, but ended up being yet another example of the multiple instances of racist implications due to sounding nothing like an authentic Native American surname from any known indigenous tribe or race. Grell himself didn't seem to care for the nod, because while he did return to illustrate Dawny's spotlight page he refused to draw her in Ryan Sook's new costume to the point he wouldn't even feature the new energy wings and instead featured her with feathered ones.


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** Those who vainly tried to defend the various examples of RaceLift were met with arguments about how random Bendis's choices were rather than importing takes from different Legion volumes, such as Star Boy being made Black in the Threeboot and Timber Wolf being presented as Black coded from the 2006 cartoon (due to his voice actor Shawn Harrison). Coupled with the complaints of racism in the choices that ''were'' made, from everything said about the Ranzz Twins to Ultra Boy and the native Rimborians being made dark skinned by default and turned into a vicious, war obsessed world with Ultra Boy espousing colonizer rhetoric about his people needing to become more "civilized" which he enforces by beating up those who disagree with him, it only diminishes this volume's attempts at being inclusive. The one example that ''was'' met with a positive reception was Ferro Lad's inclusion as a Black teenager like Jim Shooter originally intended, but would've been more noticeable had Bendis used him beyond a couple of pages just to showcase the character's new ethnicity.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: What it eventually turned out to be, as a poorly thought out InNameOnly reboot with some admittedly decent artwork that was badly edited and lacked any of the aspects fans of the Legionnaires cared about while proving unappealing to new readers thanks to lack of character development and pointless dialog.
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* EthnicScrappy: Bendis's decision to give Lightning Lad and Lightning Lass a RaceLift was critically torn apart by readers as it became clear it truly was a last minute decision. Accompanying Garth and Ayla being made Black in this setting was their homeworld Winath being changed from an agricultural paradise to an overcrowded ghetto, with the Ranzzs having a very large family shoved into a dirty apartment while the twins regularly protested police brutality. Fans argued about the twins being given such a stereotypical backstory while proponents of the Bendisboot vainly argued it was meant to be more "inclusive." The racist undertones only became more obvious when Lightning Lad's chemistry with Saturn Girl (who remained white in this setting) was completely removed while she was paired off instead with another white Legionnaire (Jon Kent). As such, the Bendisboot's Ranzz Twins often gain the most discussion on how poorly executed and accidentally racist Bendis's Legion ended up being.


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** There's no mention or implication that Lightning Lord exists in this continuity. Among the many loathed changes to the Ranzz siblings (especially considering how much bigger Garth and Ayla's family now is), the fact their older brother and one of the most iconic villains the Legion has was AdaptedOut in this volume was yet another strike against it from irate fans.
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* UnfortunateImplications: There's been heated debate regarding how the Lightning Lad/Saturn Girl pairing, historically one of the most consistent relationships throughout all versions of the Legion, was never hinted at or alluded to in any format in this volume after Lightning Lad was given a RaceLift and made Black, while Saturn Girl (who is still white) was quickly paired off with another white person in the form of Jon Kent.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichaelBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.

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Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichaelBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.well-received.
** Queer fans have been quite vocal about the lack of LGBTQ+ representation among Bendis's Legionnaires, to the point the only known queer characters to appear in this series at all aside from Jon Kent (who is bisexual) were Garth and Ayla Ranzz's two mothers. One of the biggest arguments against Bendis's Legion has regarded the apparent straightwashing of the team with no clear or implied queer romances among any of the Legionnaires despite Bendis's Legion being so heavily toted as "progressive" with its multiple examples of RaceLift. It wasn't until ''ComicBook/DCPride2022'' featured Dawnstar being identified as bisexual and Brainiac 5 as demisexual that this Legion gained any real queer rep outside of Jon, and that was only because Devin Grayson was forced to use Bendis's Legionnaires (the original plan being Retroboot Dawny being identified as bi with Brainiac 5.1 of the Reboot Legion identified as demi). Even after ''DC Pride 2022'', Bendis did nothing about queer rep or made any reference to Grayson's inclusions.
* UnfortunateImplications: There's been heated debate regarding how the Lightning Lad/Saturn Girl pairing, historically one of the most consistent relationships throughout all versions of the Legion, was never hinted at or alluded to in any format in this volume after Lightning Lad was given a RaceLift and made Black, while Saturn Girl (who is still white) was quickly paired off with another white person in the form of Jon Kent.
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* DemotedToExtra: Several longtime members. After 14 regular issues and various spinoffs, Matter-Eater Lad has had one line of dialogue…which is one more than Shrinking Violet.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: With the exception of Polar Boy's story and the Legionnaires being recognized as queer in ''DC Pride 2022'', Brian Bendis's Legion proved to be the most unpopular iteration of the team regardless of Ryan Sook's gorgeous artwork. Fans are still arguing about whether or not a fresh start was necessary, but Bendis proceeded to squander all potential by not focusing enough on the Legionnaires developing as characters. The end result was three years of rambling, poorly plotted comics that turned off new readers by being too incomprehensible and enraged veteran Legion fans thanks to Bendis essentially half-assing the project until he lost all interest by the Justice League miniseries.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: With the exception of Polar Boy's story and the Legionnaires being recognized as queer in ''DC Pride 2022'', Brian Bendis's Legion proved to be the most unpopular iteration of the team regardless of Ryan Sook's gorgeous artwork. Fans are still arguing about whether or not a fresh start was necessary, but Bendis proceeded to squander all potential by not focusing enough on the Legionnaires developing as characters. The end result was three years of rambling, poorly plotted comics that turned off new readers by being too incomprehensible and enraged veteran Legion fans thanks to Bendis essentially half-assing the project until he lost all interest by the Justice League miniseries.

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* BrokenBase: Fan reception to Bendis' take on the Legion has been divided since the moment it was first announced. Some Legion fans are happy with a new continuity and a fresh start, believing the franchise vision of the future needed to be updated, alongside Ryan Sook's gorgeous designs. Others argue the book is an incoherent, poorly edited mess where most of the Legionnaires simply stand around in the background or ramble on about nothing, and another continuity reboot is only going to make the Legion more inaccessible for new readers.

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* BileFascination: By the end of ''Justice League Vs Legion of Super-Heroes'', the only reason people have bothered to look at Bendis's take on the Legion is to see if it really is as boring and pointless as Legion fans have been accusing the series to be.
* BrokenBase: Fan reception to Bendis' take on the Legion has been divided since the moment it was first announced. Some Legion fans are happy with a new continuity and a fresh start, believing the franchise vision of the future needed to be updated, alongside Ryan Sook's gorgeous designs. Others argue the book is an incoherent, poorly edited mess where most of the Legionnaires simply stand around in the background or ramble on about nothing, and another continuity reboot is only going to make the Legion more inaccessible for new readers. By the crossover with the Justice League, even the most diehard fans grew to hate the Bendisboot as Bendis's plots went nowhere and characterization came to a complete stop.
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** Issues nine and ten were hyped up with the belief every Legionnaire would receive a page dedicated to them. That turned out not to be true, as several Legionnaires were skipped over and received no focus, including Shrinking Violet, Matter-Eater Lad, Karate Kid, Sun Boy, Star Boy, and as mentioned above X-Ray Girl, Entropy Kid, and Radius Lad.

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** Issues nine and ten were hyped up with the belief every Legionnaire would receive a page dedicated to them. That turned out not to be true, as several Legionnaires were skipped over and received no focus, including Shrinking Violet, Matter-Eater Lad, Karate Kid, Sun Boy, Star Boy, and as mentioned above X-Ray Girl, Entropy Kid, and Radius Lad. By the end of ''Justice League Vs Legion of Super-Heroes'', some of these characters never even ''spoke''.
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** Some who are still angry about Jon being aged up have argued there could've been a Legion series even if he was a kid. Recalling the way the adult Titans frequently doted on Arsenal's daughter Lian, it was entirely possible to keep the adult Legionnaires and have them act as Jon's surrogate aunts and uncles. That way DC could've avoided yet another Legion reboot and Jon's fans wouldn't have been alienated by his development being rushed and his personality getting watered down.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichealBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichealBendis Creator/BrianMichaelBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many fans can admit that the core ideas of the series are solid; a proper deck-clearing for the Legion was a NecessaryEvil with how convoluted the Legion continuity had become, Ryan Sook's redesigns and art are [[SugarWiki/AwesomeArt gorgeous and perfect for the Legion]], and the new Legionnaires have potential. But many feel that Creator/BrianMichealBendis just ''was not'' the writer for the job, and that his execution is severely lacking. Tellingly, ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' — the only new Legion story so far to be written by somebody other then Bendis (Rich Bernatovech and Travis Mercer) — was actually quite well-received.

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** Fan reception to Bendis' take on the Legion has been divided since the moment it was first announced. Some Legion fans are happy with a new continuity and a fresh start, believing the franchise vision of the future needed to be updated, alongside Ryan Sook's gorgeous designs. Others argue the book is an incoherent, poorly edited mess where most of the Legionnaires simply stand around in the background or ramble on about nothing, and another continuity reboot is only going to make the Legion more inaccessible for new readers.

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BrokenBase: Fan reception to Bendis' take on the Legion has been divided since the moment it was first announced. Some Legion fans are happy with a new continuity and a fresh start, believing the franchise vision of the future needed to be updated, alongside Ryan Sook's gorgeous designs. Others argue the book is an incoherent, poorly edited mess where most of the Legionnaires simply stand around in the background or ramble on about nothing, and another continuity reboot is only going to make the Legion more inaccessible for new readers.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The amount of ScheduleSlip the series and its follow-up ''Justice League Vs Legion of Super-Heroes'' has suffered from is rather ironic since Bendis's Legion only exists thanks to ''ComicBook/DoomsdayClock'' having been delayed for so many months between its issues.

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* ReplacementScrappy: The Bendis Legion as a whole has set off numerous Legion fans who view this iteration as a shoddy imitation of all the previous Legions. Common complaints about Bendis's take on the Legionnaires are that practically none of them have any real development and only vaguely resemble the characters InNameOnly. Those who have received the biggest ire are Saturn Girl (for blatantly being a major Jon Kent fangirl to the point she wonders if she might've accidentally brainwashed the team into recruiting him, up to her now dating him making her seem like a creepy, self-obsessed stalker), Mon-El (who is an AdaptationalJerkass, a jealous descendant of Jon, and a bad father) the Ranzz Twins (due to their backstory reeking of racist undertones thanks to receiving a RaceLift by making them both Black yet giving them a stereotypical backstory that seems totally out of place for a story set a thousand years in the future), and Karate Kid (whose redesign included giving him a hideously outdated Manchu braid and making him Chinese also came across as racist for treating Val's Asian heritage as interchangeable). Not helping matters at all is knowing this Legion only sought out Jon Kent because they were convinced he had to help them despite that Jon did nothing at this point in his life to warrant such praise, while the Legions that recruited his father only did so as a way to say thank you for being their inspiration without pressuring him. It's telling that the only story to come out of this Legion that fans unanimously enjoyed was in ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' and had the virtue of Bendis not being involved in its creation at all.

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The Bendis Legion as a whole has set off numerous Legion fans who view this iteration as a shoddy imitation of all the previous Legions. Common complaints about Bendis's take on the Legionnaires are that practically none of them have any real development and only vaguely resemble the characters InNameOnly. Those who have received the biggest ire are Saturn Girl (for blatantly being a major Jon Kent fangirl to the point she wonders if she might've accidentally brainwashed the team into recruiting him, up to her now dating him making her seem like a creepy, self-obsessed stalker), Mon-El (who is an AdaptationalJerkass, a jealous descendant of Jon, and a bad father) the Ranzz Twins (due to their backstory reeking of racist undertones thanks to receiving a RaceLift by making them both Black yet giving them a stereotypical backstory that seems totally out of place for a story set a thousand years in the future), and Karate Kid (whose redesign included giving him a hideously outdated Manchu braid and making him Chinese also came across as racist for treating Val's Asian heritage as interchangeable). Not helping matters at all is knowing this Legion only sought out Jon Kent because they were convinced he had to help them despite that Jon did nothing at this point in his life to warrant such praise, while the Legions that recruited his father only did so as a way to say thank you for being their inspiration without pressuring him. It's telling that the only story to come out of this Legion that fans unanimously enjoyed was in ''Tis The Season To Be Freezin''' and had the virtue of Bendis not being involved in its creation at all.all.
** The Horraz are seen as ill-fitting knockoffs of the Khunds (a war-bound race that frequently clashed with the Legion), and President Brande is viewed as an ill-fitting knock off of R.J. Brande as well as Jeanne Chu ''and'' Winema Wazzo of the Reboot Legion (all three of whom served in a presidential role in the Reboot).
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* CreatorsPet: Gold Lantern has received the most focus and attention out of every new Legionnaire added to the cast, to the point he's repeatedly hyped up in-universe by the team for supposedly having an awesome backstory. A good chunk of the plot is built around the mystery regarding his ring and the beings who empowered him, to the point he's ostensibly the main character of ''Justice League Vs Legion of Super-Heroes''. None of this has actually done anything to endear him to Legion fans, who repeatedly mock the character's spotlight hogging by joking about the incredible things Gold Lantern will do ''eventually''.

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* CreatorsPet: Gold Lantern has received the most focus and attention out of every new Legionnaire added to the cast, to the point he's repeatedly hyped up in-universe by the team for supposedly having an awesome backstory. A good chunk of the plot is built around the mystery regarding his ring and the beings who empowered him, to the point he's ostensibly the main character of ''Justice League Vs Legion of Super-Heroes''. None of this has actually done anything to endear him to Legion fans, who repeatedly mock the character's spotlight hogging by joking about the incredible things Gold Lantern will do ''eventually''. One particular point of contention came from DC's ''Festival of Heroes'' anthology dedicated to Asian and Asian-American characters, where Gold Lantern was the ''only'' Legionnaire to be given a profile (although Karate Kid and Dragonmage received a pin-up by Philip Tan).

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