History YMMV / LawAndOrder

3rd Jun '18 5:22:05 AM Erin582
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** Private detectives are also treated with much contempt by the investigators still with the police.

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** Private detectives investigators are also treated with much contempt by the investigators detectives still with the police.


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** Non-New Yorkers tend to gain a lot of ire, be it justified or not, such as referring to Upstate New York as "Volvo land", tourists from Ohio who unwittingly sold video that showed the commission of a crime to a local news station as "Ma and Pa Kettle" and referring to Niagara Falls, ''Ontario'' as a "hick town".
22nd May '18 3:52:53 AM dbdude01
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** Alice Simonelli from "Punk". She wouldn't stop screaming that Abbie Carmichael framed her for drug possession, even though her story for what happened that night was ridiculous. She killed a prison guard who was raping her and kept her under his thumb by threatening to send her to another prison, which actually would have solved her problem and gotten her away from her abuser, but she said she couldn't let it happen because the other prison was too far away from her daughter. Except, she was previously up for a work-release program which would have allowed her to be with her daughter again, but was removed from the program when she was caught smoking marijuana. So to recap, spending time with her daughter was so important that she was willing to kill for her, she just wasn't willing to stop doing drugs for her.
21st May '18 5:53:33 AM Eolewyn1010
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** In season 2, episode "The Wages of Love", the VictimOfTheWeek was a [[Twilight Mr. Edward Cullen]].

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** In season 2, episode "The Wages of Love", the VictimOfTheWeek was a [[Twilight [[{{Literature/Twilight}} Mr. Edward Cullen]].
21st May '18 5:50:08 AM Eolewyn1010
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** In season 2, episode "The Wages of Love", the VictimOfTheWeek was a [[Twilight Mr. Edward Cullen]].
27th Apr '18 1:14:52 PM DrOO7
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** The mother from "Bitter Fruit", who turned out to have arranged the kidnapping that resulted in her daughter's murder. She weeps and wails that this never would have happened if her ex-husband had let her see the girl and swears that she didn't mean for her to get hurt, she just wanted her ex to know what it felt like to be separated from his child. Except, at least she knew her daughter was safe and sound with her father, even if she couldn't see her. She was willing to put her ex through the absolute hell of not knowing where his daughter was or what was happening to her. Even worse, she was willing to put the daughter who she supposedly loved through that nightmare too.
27th Apr '18 5:37:04 AM DrOO7
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** Stephanie Harker of "True North" is given a backstory that includes being impregnated and dumped by a rich boy while in high school. But as stated in the "Alternate" post, it's highly likely that he just saw through her attempt at pulling TheBabyTrap to get her [[GoldDigger hands on his money]]. And even if not, it doesn't excuse the despicable things she proceeded to do--''murdering'' a man's wife so that she could marry him, being a lousy wife/stepmother to him/his daughter, killing him and his daughter to stop him from divorcing her and killing her friend who she hired to commit the murders in order to dump all the blame on her. Her pleas for mercy regarding being given the death penalty ring hollow.
25th Apr '18 1:32:16 PM DrOO7
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** Jenna Weber of "Savior". Her reaction when confronted about hiring her boyfriend to kill her mother indicates that she regrets her actions. If nothing else, it's doubtful she meant for it to go as far as it did--her mother ''and'' brother dead, and her father wrongfully accused.
12th Apr '18 2:45:30 PM Erin582
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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets:
** Paparazzi/tabloid reporters are almost always depicted as scumbag assholes, with even one episode depicting one as being shot dead at a restaurant where famous people dine and all the patrons ''applauding'' his death.
** Private detectives are also treated with much contempt by the investigators still with the police.
** Celebrities are also fair game, in particular the ones who try [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections to use their money/power/connections/etc.]] to get away with something, those connected with reality television and if their fame overall begins to impede the case in question.
2nd Apr '18 7:21:03 PM Erin582
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** A running gag of the last decade of the show has been other prosecutors bringing up [=McCoy's=] ''many'' indiscretions/lapses in professional and personal judgment. Some such incidents including a time when he once purposely hid a witness in a murder case and evidence from the defense team, instigated "fake trials" (twice!), ''attempted to have a woman sterilized'' (albeit she ''did'' have Munchausen's Syndrome and was murdering her babies), tried (unsuccessfully) to bring up murder by proxy charges where he goes after gun manufacturers for depraved indifference homicide and, of course, sleeping with his assistants.

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** A running gag of the last decade of the show has been other prosecutors bringing up [=McCoy's=] ''many'' indiscretions/lapses in professional and personal judgment. Some such incidents including a time when he once purposely hid a witness in a murder case and evidence from the defense team, instigated "fake trials" (twice!), ''attempted to have a woman sterilized'' (albeit she ''did'' have have Munchausen's Syndrome and was murdering her babies), tried (unsuccessfully) to bring up murder by proxy charges where he goes after gun manufacturers for depraved indifference homicide and, of course, sleeping with his assistants.



* Mrs. Vilardi, the mother from "Cruel and Unusual". Even with an autistic son and being understandably stressed/concerned about him and his care, her lack of consideration over the fact that the clinic he was at was dangerous (with her actually believing the blatant lies told by his doctor about the non-verbal boy wanting to go to art school and liking girls) and that the staff had already been culpable in killing another patient puts her into this territory. Also, her quip to Jack after all is said and done about him taking care of him now since she refused was rather snotty.

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* ** Mrs. Vilardi, the mother from "Cruel and Unusual". Even with an autistic son and being understandably stressed/concerned about him and his care, her lack of consideration over the fact that the clinic he was at was dangerous (with her actually believing the blatant lies told by his doctor about the non-verbal boy wanting to go to art school and liking girls) and that the staff had already been culpable in killing another patient puts her into this territory. Also, her quip to Jack after all is said and done about him taking care of him now since she refused was rather snotty.
2nd Apr '18 7:17:48 PM Erin582
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** A running gag of the last decade of the show has been other prosecutors bringing up how [=McCoy=] once purposely hid a witness in a murder case from the defense team. This, plus the subsequent ethics compliant and trip before the Bar (from which [=McCoy=] was ultimately cleared of all wrong doing) has been used against Jack whenever he complains about his subordinate's bending to the point of breaking the rules of law for the pursuit of justice. And more often than not [=McCoy=] would counter with "And I'm the one telling you this is a bad idea. That should tell you something!"
** He also twice instigated 'fake trials'. In one, the defendant was in on it (the goal was to suss out a corrupt member of the prosecutor's office), but in the other the defendant wasn't and the whole thing was a ploy to allow [=McCoy=] to suborn perjury which would induce the defendant to confess. [=McCoy=] was later removed from the case for that event. Oh, and [[spoiler: the judge's superior threw out the case. The defendant was released and subsequently murdered by his co-conspirators.]]
** Another time, [=McCoy=] hid evidence from the defense that could have seemed exculpatory but he didn't think was technically relevant (he was arguing that a certain person was mentally unable to consent to commit a crime, and the evidence was the defendant's motive). The judge disagreed and ordered the evidence admitted (see: [[spoiler: season 5, episode 6, 'Competence']]). The next season, one of [=McCoy's=] former assistants was found to have hidden evidence and accidentally sent the wrong man to prison. Her defense was that [=McCoy=] did it too. [=McCoy's=] look when Kincaid told him that she'd have to tell the Bar Association that he suppressed evidence in the first case is a TearJerker. (See [[spoiler: season 6, episode 12, 'Trophy']]).
** [=McCoy=] also once attempted to have a woman sterilized; she had Munchausen's Syndrome and was murdering her babies. The judge threw this out.[[note]]Though it was clear that was [=McCoy's=] goal: Adam Schiff ordered him to make a deal, so he threw in the sterilization as an intentional deal breaker.[[/note]] Much later, Cutter cited this case when Jack objected to him trying to enjoin a family from having their severely-disabled daughter go through a medical procedure that would remove her legs and reproductive organs (to make it easier to care for her).
** [=McCoy=]'s prosecution is Season 10's "Gunshow" takes the cake: it's a murder by proxy case where he goes after gun manufacturers for depraved indifference homicide after they neglected to make their semiautomatic pistols less prone to tampering in order to capitalize on profits. (This had resulted in one boy tampering with a pistol to make it fire ''four times'' as many bullets in under a minute, and allowed him to gun down 15 women in Central Park). [=McCoy=] actually [[spoiler: wins; however, the judge (William Wright, who has a grudge on him) throws it out because he believed that the jury had not considered the law properly, and he chastises [=McCoy=] for trying to rewrite social policy in the courtroom]]. This is referenced numerous times, notably in Season 18 when one lawyer criticizes him for being too liberal and persecuting conservatives.
** And, of course, [=McCoy=] sleeping with his assistants. He stops after [[spoiler: Claire dies, and decides that he doesn't want to hurt his assistants by getting intimate with them]]. Of course, this doesn't stop many characters from drawing conclusions. In "Exiled: A Law and Order Movie", Det. Logan asks him if he's got another hot assistant, to which he replies, "You just have a knack for pissing people off, don't you?"

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** A running gag of the last decade of the show has been other prosecutors bringing up how [=McCoy=] [=McCoy's=] ''many'' indiscretions/lapses in professional and personal judgment. Some such incidents including a time when he once purposely hid a witness in a murder case from the defense team. This, plus the subsequent ethics compliant and trip before the Bar (from which [=McCoy=] was ultimately cleared of all wrong doing) has been used against Jack whenever he complains about his subordinate's bending to the point of breaking the rules of law for the pursuit of justice. And more often than not [=McCoy=] would counter with "And I'm the one telling you this is a bad idea. That should tell you something!"
** He also twice instigated 'fake trials'. In one, the defendant was in on it (the goal was to suss out a corrupt member of the prosecutor's office), but in the other the defendant wasn't and the whole thing was a ploy to allow [=McCoy=] to suborn perjury which would induce the defendant to confess. [=McCoy=] was later removed from the case for that event. Oh, and [[spoiler: the judge's superior threw out the case. The defendant was released and subsequently murdered by his co-conspirators.]]
** Another time, [=McCoy=] hid
evidence from the defense that could have seemed exculpatory but he didn't think was technically relevant (he was arguing that a certain person was mentally unable to consent to commit a crime, and the evidence was the defendant's motive). The judge disagreed and ordered the evidence admitted (see: [[spoiler: season 5, episode 6, 'Competence']]). The next season, one of [=McCoy's=] former assistants was found to have hidden evidence and accidentally sent the wrong man to prison. Her defense was that [=McCoy=] did it too. [=McCoy's=] look when Kincaid told him that she'd have to tell the Bar Association that he suppressed evidence in the first case is a TearJerker. (See [[spoiler: season 6, episode 12, 'Trophy']]).
** [=McCoy=] also once attempted
team, instigated "fake trials" (twice!), ''attempted to have a woman sterilized; sterilized'' (albeit she had ''did'' have Munchausen's Syndrome and was murdering her babies. The judge threw this out.[[note]]Though it was clear that was [=McCoy's=] goal: Adam Schiff ordered him babies), tried (unsuccessfully) to make a deal, so he threw in the sterilization as an intentional deal breaker.[[/note]] Much later, Cutter cited this case when Jack objected to him trying to enjoin a family from having their severely-disabled daughter go through a medical procedure that would remove her legs and reproductive organs (to make it easier to care for her).
** [=McCoy=]'s prosecution is Season 10's "Gunshow" takes the cake: it's a
bring up murder by proxy case charges where he goes after gun manufacturers for depraved indifference homicide after they neglected to make their semiautomatic pistols less prone to tampering in order to capitalize on profits. (This had resulted in one boy tampering with a pistol to make it fire ''four times'' as many bullets in under a minute, and allowed him to gun down 15 women in Central Park). [=McCoy=] actually [[spoiler: wins; however, the judge (William Wright, who has a grudge on him) throws it out because he believed that the jury had not considered the law properly, and he chastises [=McCoy=] for trying to rewrite social policy in the courtroom]]. This is referenced numerous times, notably in Season 18 when one lawyer criticizes him for being too liberal and persecuting conservatives.
** And,
and, of course, [=McCoy=] sleeping with his assistants. He stops after [[spoiler: Claire dies, and decides that he doesn't want to hurt his assistants by getting intimate with them]]. Of course, this doesn't stop many characters from drawing conclusions. In "Exiled: A Law and Order Movie", Det. Logan asks him if he's got another hot assistant, to which he replies, "You just have a knack for pissing people off, don't you?"assistants.



** Tommy Vega from "Formerly Famous", who was portrayed by Creator/GaryBusey. Yes, his character was based off of the Robert Blake case. Yes, he and his manager both killed his wife. However, unlike Blake, he was a pitiable guy who almost everyone considered to be a joke and a has-been as well HenpeckedHusband who tried to make up for everything by being [[GoodParents a good father to his baby daughter...]] [[spoiler: [[YankTheDogsChain only to find out that he wasn't the child's biological father.]]]] Even in open court, he acknowledged what a failure he was and the heartbreak he experienced in learning the truth, especially when he screamed out, "She was my last chance! And guys like me don't get a another chance!"

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** Tommy Vega from "Formerly Famous", who was portrayed by Creator/GaryBusey. Yes, his character was based off of the Robert Blake case. Yes, he and his manager both killed his wife. However, unlike Blake, he was a pitiable guy who almost everyone considered to be a joke and a has-been as well HenpeckedHusband who tried to make up for everything by being [[GoodParents a good father to his baby daughter...]] [[spoiler: [[YankTheDogsChain only to find out that he wasn't the child's biological father.]]]] Even in open court, he acknowledged what a failure he was and the heartbreak he experienced in learning the truth, especially when he screamed out, told the court, "She was my last chance! chance. And guys like me don't get a another chance!"chance."


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* Mrs. Vilardi, the mother from "Cruel and Unusual". Even with an autistic son and being understandably stressed/concerned about him and his care, her lack of consideration over the fact that the clinic he was at was dangerous (with her actually believing the blatant lies told by his doctor about the non-verbal boy wanting to go to art school and liking girls) and that the staff had already been culpable in killing another patient puts her into this territory. Also, her quip to Jack after all is said and done about him taking care of him now since she refused was rather snotty.
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