History YMMV / LawAndOrder

16th Jan '17 8:22:40 AM Silverblade2
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* BaseBreaker: "Aftershock." Some think it's one of the best episodes the show ever did, some think it's '''the''' worst.


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* BrokenBase: "Aftershock." Some think it's one of the best episodes the show ever did, some think it's the worst.
23rd Dec '16 7:24:23 AM Avenging-Hobbits
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** Following a court's ruling that evidence obtained by the Tokyo police is admissible, the defense lawyer says, "What's next, drag a suspect across the nearest border and beat a confession out of him?" In 1995, unthinkable. In 2005, official US policy.
20th Dec '16 6:55:14 AM Temmere
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* BaseBreaker: "Aftershock." Some think it's one of the best episodes the show ever did, some think it's '''the''' worst.
14th Dec '16 3:34:57 PM creader
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** The mother, Denis Winters, from "Mushrooms" [[note]]The same woman who would go on to be known as Lt. Van Buren.[[/note]]. While Ms. Winters was out working, her home was shot at -- injuring her elder child (to the point he became a paraplegic) and killing her ''infant son''. At one point she mentions her supervisor saying that [[KickTheDog seeing her paraplegic son and planning the funeral for her baby was considered "personal time".]] But the real sad and horrifying part comes from the ''why'' her house was shot up -- The 14-year-old who did it was at the ''wrong'' house. He was sent to kill a crooked real estate man by another drug dealer because the former cheated the latter. But the 14-year-old couldn't read and thus mixed up the address which led to shooting at her house. This woman needs a hug.
23rd Nov '16 8:51:51 AM creader
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* TearJerker: Plenty of episodes are this:
** "Stiff", where a woman is comatose after being given spiked insulin, has the last-ditch attempt to wake her ''fail'', the woman's daughter, [[spoiler: who is responsible for the crime]], whispers tearfully [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone "I'm so sorry, Mom."]]
** Any episode involving children, obviously, but one early episode, "Cradle To Grave" featured a baby freezing to death in his crib. In addition to the NeverMyFault mentality being thrown around endlessly in the episode (mainly from the mother and the landlord), it's heartbreaking to see a victim that young, [[AdultFear especially for anyone who is a parent.]]
** One episode had a gay man brutally murdered by someone acting on behalf of his adoptive child's biological mother to take the baby back. Hearing the testimony of the man's distraught partner is hard to watch and the fact that they were devoted not just to each other, but to their son as well.
* [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]]: There's ''A LOT''.

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* TearJerker: Plenty of episodes are this:
** "Stiff", where a woman is comatose after being given spiked insulin, has the last-ditch attempt to wake her ''fail'', the woman's daughter, [[spoiler: who is responsible for the crime]], whispers tearfully [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone "I'm so sorry, Mom."]]
** Any episode involving children, obviously, but one early episode, "Cradle To Grave" featured a baby freezing to death in his crib. In addition to the NeverMyFault mentality being thrown around endlessly in the episode (mainly from the mother and the landlord), it's heartbreaking to see a victim that young, [[AdultFear especially for anyone who is a parent.]]
** One episode had a gay man brutally murdered by someone acting on behalf of his adoptive child's biological mother to take the baby back. Hearing the testimony of the man's distraught partner is hard to watch and the fact that they were devoted not just to each other, but to their son as well.
* [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]]:
StrawCharacter: There's ''A LOT''.
17th Nov '16 10:21:04 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The character from "Pro Se" who is spotlighted under UnintentionallyUnsympathetic? He also shows up under TheWoobie.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The character from "Pro Se" who is spotlighted under UnintentionallyUnsympathetic? He also shows up under TheWoobie.
7th Oct '16 12:34:36 PM Pren
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* RetroactiveRecognition: The show is famously an absolute smorgasbord of New York-based actors, thanks to many of them taking guest roles early in their careers. This was made especially clear at the 2016 Tony Awards, where host James Corden did a routine pointing out how many guest spots on the show the nominated actors had between them. One of them had actually appeared ''five times'', all in different roles.
23rd Sep '16 3:21:44 AM Erin582
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* TearJerker: Plenty of episodes are this:
** "Stiff", where a woman is comatose after being given spiked insulin, has the last-ditch attempt to wake her ''fail'', the woman's daughter, [[spoiler: who is responsible for the crime]], whispers tearfully [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone "I'm so sorry, Mom."]]
** Any episode involving children, obviously, but one early episode, "Cradle To Grave" featured a baby freezing to death in his crib. In addition to the NeverMyFault mentality being thrown around endlessly in the episode (mainly from the mother and the landlord), it's heartbreaking to see a victim that young, [[AdultFear especially for anyone who is a parent.]]
** One episode had a gay man brutally murdered by someone acting on behalf of his adoptive child's biological mother to take the baby back. Hearing the testimony of the man's distraught partner is hard to watch and the fact that they were devoted not just to each other, but to their son as well.



** [[FragileFlower Judith]] [[NervousWreck Sandler]], a witness [[spoiler: and the doer]] from "Survivor". Already being the daughter of [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust Holocaust]] survivors and being traumatized by what her parents went through, which affected her upbringing and being afraid of the world around her, she helped to carry on the pursuit of her father's lost possessions before going he was captured years earlier... [[spoiler: only to discover that a foreign billionaire had already sold the father's things and that she had killed the victim, who she thought was withholding knowledge about them, for nothing.]]

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** [[FragileFlower Judith]] [[NervousWreck Judith Sandler]], a witness [[spoiler: and the doer]] from "Survivor". Already being the daughter of [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust Holocaust]] survivors and being traumatized by what her parents went through, which affected her upbringing and being afraid of the world around her, she helped to carry on the pursuit of her father's lost possessions before going he was captured years earlier... [[spoiler: only to discover that a foreign billionaire had already sold the father's things and that she had killed the victim, who she thought was withholding knowledge about them, for nothing.]]
14th Sep '16 5:24:46 PM Erin582
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bud Greer (who was played by future ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'' star Courtney B. Vance) from the episode "Rage". Although [[RippedFromTheHeadlines the basis of the story is taken from]] the very ''un''sympathetic Long Island Subway killer, Colin Ferguson (no, not the [[MrFanservice Maytag man]]), his character was this because he was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unfairly rejected]] in both Black ''and'' White society for as long as he remembered and his victim, his [[BadBoss boss,]] was just a [[AssholeVictim unlikable, money-hungry racist jerkass]] who it was difficult to care about.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bud Greer (who was played by future ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'' star Courtney B. Vance) from the episode "Rage". Although [[RippedFromTheHeadlines the basis of the story is taken from]] the very ''un''sympathetic Long Island Subway killer, Colin Ferguson (no, not the [[MrFanservice Maytag man]]), his character was this because he was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unfairly rejected]] in both Black ''and'' White society for as long as he remembered and his victim, his [[BadBoss [[MeanBoss boss,]] was just a [[AssholeVictim unlikable, money-hungry racist jerkass]] who it was difficult to care about.



** Dr. Gail Berardi, the coroner in "Suicide Box". Years earlier, she was given the body of a young man, who since she couldn't determine a cause of death (and really didn't bother to try for one), just checked it off as a suicide, which set off a chain reaction of his killer going free [[KarmaHoudini (and still cannot be charged even years later]] ''[[KarmaHoudini and confessing to the murder]]'' [[KarmaHoudini due to lack of evidence)]], his little brother to grow up angry and vengeful and made him try and kill an officer (as he blamed cops for not solving his brother's murder) and which caused the young man's body [[spoiler: to be [[NightmareFuel shipped overseas as a cadaver whose parts have already been harvested.]]]] And yet, since she was [[SarcasmMode plagued]] with a heavy workload and long hours, we are supposed to feel sorry for ''her.'' Not helping anything is her overall lack of remorse or even responsibility for what happened.

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** Dr. Gail Berardi, the coroner in "Suicide Box". Years earlier, she was given the body of a young man, who since she couldn't determine a cause of death (and really didn't bother to try for one), just checked it off as a suicide, which set off a chain reaction of his killer going free [[KarmaHoudini (and still cannot be charged even years later]] ''[[KarmaHoudini ''[[SarcasticConfession and after confessing to the murder]]'' [[KarmaHoudini due to lack of evidence)]], evidence), his little brother to grow up angry and vengeful and made him try and kill an officer (as he blamed cops for not solving his brother's murder) and which caused the young man's body [[spoiler: to be [[NightmareFuel shipped overseas as a cadaver whose parts have already been harvested.]]]] And yet, since she was [[SarcasmMode plagued]] with a heavy workload and long hours, we are supposed to feel sorry for ''her.'' Not helping anything is her overall lack of remorse or even responsibility for what happened.



** Denise Groban, the victim from "DNR", who was left mortally wounded by an assassin hired by her husband. The whole episode entailed her wanting to die instead of living with being a paraplegic or admitting that he was the one who ordered the hit.
** Tory Quinlann, from "Captive". First, he was held captive for five years by a sexual offender who would repeatedly molest him. Then,it's later revealed that before the abduction, his step-father was physically abusive to him and his mother has openly denied it; and it's implied that Tory stayed with his abuser becaue he felt around him than he did his own family. And when his captor brought home a new boy to molest, Tory (who was diagnosed with Stockholm Syndrome) killed the boy because he saw him as "competition". And he is then convicted of second degree murder.

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** Denise Groban, Grobman, the victim from "DNR", who was left mortally wounded by an assassin hired by her husband. The whole episode entailed her wanting to die instead of living with being a paraplegic or admitting that he was the one who ordered the hit.
** Tory Quinlann, from "Captive". First, he was held captive for five years by a sexual offender who would repeatedly molest him. Then,it's later revealed that before the abduction, his step-father was physically abusive to him and his mother has openly denied it; and it's implied that Tory stayed with his abuser becaue he felt around him than he did his own family. And when his captor brought home a new boy to molest, Tory (who was diagnosed with Stockholm Syndrome) killed the boy because he saw him as "competition". And he is then convicted of second degree murder.murder.
** [[FragileFlower Judith]] [[NervousWreck Sandler]], a witness [[spoiler: and the doer]] from "Survivor". Already being the daughter of [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust Holocaust]] survivors and being traumatized by what her parents went through, which affected her upbringing and being afraid of the world around her, she helped to carry on the pursuit of her father's lost possessions before going he was captured years earlier... [[spoiler: only to discover that a foreign billionaire had already sold the father's things and that she had killed the victim, who she thought was withholding knowledge about them, for nothing.]]
25th Aug '16 5:18:12 PM Erin582
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: One of the main elements of ''Law & Order'' is the focus on the criminal process and a lack of personal lives of the detectives/lawyers or rather without a large amount of time spent on it, which worked well. However, upon [[Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit later]] [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent incarnations]], it didn't work so well. Initially on ''SVU'', it allowed glimpses into the squad's home lives (namely Stabler's), but some seasons later and with a new showrunner, his family was more or less BrotherChucked, much to the annoyance of fans (save the DieForOurShip Elliott x Olivia). For ''Criminal Intent'', it followed the mothership's formula to focus on the criminals/cases instead of personal lives. This also was done away with years later by giving gratuitous screentime to Goren's mentally ill mother and addict brother, which didn't appeal to fans who mostly hated the GenreShift. Even reverting back to their old respective formulas caused the former to [[BrokenBase be split in two]] and the latter to gradually decline until it was canceled.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: One of the main elements of ''Law & Order'' is the focus on the criminal process and a lack of personal lives of the detectives/lawyers or rather without a large amount of time spent on it, which worked well. However, upon [[Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit later]] [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent incarnations]], it didn't work so well. Initially on ''SVU'', it allowed glimpses into the squad's home lives (namely Stabler's), but some seasons later and with a new showrunner, his family was more or less BrotherChucked, [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome kicked off]], much to the annoyance of fans (save the DieForOurShip Elliott x Olivia).Olivia) and established character development is [[ContinuitySnarl muddled (such as Benson's deceased mother, who was initially loving, being retconned into a neglectful alcoholic)]]. For ''Criminal Intent'', it followed the mothership's formula to focus on the criminals/cases instead of personal lives. This also was done away with years later by giving gratuitous screentime to Goren's mentally ill mother and addict brother, brother amongst other things, which didn't appeal to fans who mostly hated the GenreShift. Furthermore with all three versions, new characters weren't well-received in part of them, due to formula, [[InformedAbility apparently having past skills or abilities that aren't seen or even fully explained]] and old characters were suddenly [[AssPull given idiosyncrasies and new personality traits that made no sense and were never seen before]] (most notoriously, Green's apparent gambling problem and [[spoiler: Serena's]] SuddenlySexuality.) Even reverting back to their old respective formulas caused the former fandom of ''SVU'' to [[BrokenBase be split in two]] and the latter ''Criminal Intent's'' popularity with fans to gradually decline until it was canceled.
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