History YMMV / LawAndOrder

17th Oct '17 6:59:16 AM Erin582
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* GrowingTheBeard: For many viewers, there are roughly three periods of the show; the ones before Lennie Briscoe shows up, the ones with Lennie Briscoe, and the ones after Lennie Briscoe left. The third category tends to be immeasurably more popular.

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* GrowingTheBeard: For many viewers, there are roughly three periods of the show; the ones before Lennie Briscoe shows up, the ones with Lennie Briscoe, and the ones after Lennie Briscoe left. The third second category tends to be immeasurably more popular.



** Tommy Vega from "Formerly Famous", who was portrayed by Creator/GaryBusey. Yes, his character was based off of the Robert Blake case. Yes, he and his manager both killed his wife. However, unlike Blake, he was a someone who everyone, including his own adult children, considered to be a joke and a has-been as well HenpeckedHusband who tried to make up for everything by being a good father to his baby daughter... [[spoiler: [[YankTheDogsChain only to find out that he wasn't the child's biological father.]]]] Even in open court, he acknowledged what a failure he was and the heartbreak he experienced in learning the truth, especially when he screamed out "She was my second chance! Guys like me don't get a second chance!"

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** Tommy Vega from "Formerly Famous", who was portrayed by Creator/GaryBusey. Yes, his character was based off of the Robert Blake case. Yes, he and his manager both killed his wife. However, unlike Blake, he was a someone pitiable guy who everyone, including his own adult children, almost everyone considered to be a joke and a has-been as well HenpeckedHusband who tried to make up for everything by being [[GoodParents a good father to his baby daughter... daughter...]] [[spoiler: [[YankTheDogsChain only to find out that he wasn't the child's biological father.]]]] Even in open court, he acknowledged what a failure he was and the heartbreak he experienced in learning the truth, especially when he screamed out out, "She was my second last chance! Guys And guys like me don't get a second another chance!"



** Sammy Mireles from "Smoke". His parents ''sold'' his innocence away to a pedophile because the said pedophile offered them money.

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** Sammy Mireles from "Smoke". His parents ''sold'' his innocence away to a pedophile because the said pedophile offered them money. money, which they used to save their ''[[ParentalFavoritism other]]'' son (who needed a new heart) and [[{{Greed}} live comfortably off of the rest.]]
12th Oct '17 5:36:24 AM DoctorNemesis
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* GrowingTheBeard: For many viewers, there are roughly three periods of the show; the ones before Lennie Briscoe shows up, the ones with Lennie Briscoe, and the ones after Lennie Briscoe left. The third category tends to be immeasurably more popular.
21st Sep '17 10:57:26 AM DrOO7
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** Stephanie Harker of "True North"'s backstory includes being impregnated and dumped by a rich classmate while in high school and having to get an abortion. He's made out to be a jerk who was just using her, but given how much of a GoldDigger she was it's equally likely--if not even ''moreso''--that she was trying to pull TheBabyTrap and that the boy refused to marry her because he realized both of these things--not to mention how young they were--and that she had the abortion after realizing that her scheme wouldn't work.
30th Aug '17 7:39:45 PM creader
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** Robert Dolan from "Ghosts". His child-aged daughter was raped and murdered, the police(which included Fontana) went after him as a suspect, and his life became miserable. During the present timeline of the episode, his wife died at some point and he faces one of the two men who was involved in his daughter's rape and murder.
28th Aug '17 10:21:53 AM DrOO7
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* RewatchBonus: Those who didn't realize that Jack and Claire were sleeping together at the time will watch the repeats and kick themselves for not noticing all the hints to that effect. There was even a webpage devoted to documenting every little thing said or done between the two as proof of their relationship.
18th Aug '17 9:09:07 PM creader
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Benjamin "Bud" Greer (who was played by future ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'' star Creator/CourtneyBVance) from the episode "Rage", which [[RippedFromTheHeadlines the basis of the story is taken from]] the Long Island Subway killer, Colin Ferguson. Even if he was on the snobbish side, his character was this because he was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unfairly rejected]] by both Black and White society for as long as he remembered and his [[MeanBoss boss/victim]] was a [[AssholeVictim unlikable, money-hungry racist jerkass]] who it was difficult to care about, unlike Ferguson who slaughtered random people.

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Benjamin "Bud" Greer (who was played by future ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'' star Creator/CourtneyBVance) from the episode "Rage", which [[RippedFromTheHeadlines the basis of the story is taken from]] the Long Island Subway killer, Colin Ferguson. Even if he was on the snobbish side, his character was this because he was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unfairly rejected]] by both Black and White society for as long as he remembered and his [[MeanBoss boss/victim]] was a [[AssholeVictim unlikable, money-hungry racist jerkass]] who it was difficult to care about, unlike Ferguson who slaughtered random people.


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** Det. Johnson from "Vendetta". As a cop, he framed the episode's criminal by planting evidence to get him arrested to convict him of a young girl's murder. And it's because of his actions, the criminal got and murdered again, and the detective's credibility comes under serious question. We're supposed to feel sorry for him because he was a cop going after a killer, but his NeverMyFault attitude leaves little to no sympathy.
13th Aug '17 9:26:44 AM Fiendish
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* WinBackTheCrowd: After a revolving door of post-Orbach ReplacementScrappy detectives, Season 18 finally coalesced a cast line-up that went over well with fans and critics. In particular, moving Jack [=McCoy=] up to the District Attorney role made sense in-universe and also introduced some CharacterDevelopment, as rather than being the "junkyard dog" held in check by his superiors, he now ''was'' the superior who had to react more carefully and politically.
8th Aug '17 3:12:30 PM Fiendish
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: ''Law & Order'' is downright cuddly compared to crime shows like ''Series/TheWire'' or ''Series/TheShield'', but at the time it began airing it was the unglamorous, no-nonsense counterpoint to shows like ''Series/LALaw''.
7th Jul '17 6:11:23 AM Erin582
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** The season 6 episode "Savior" had Creator/EllenPompeo portray a young woman who was [[spoiler: a {{Sociopath}} who goaded her boyfriend into killing her mother and brother and then trying to pin the murders on first her own, innocent father and then the boyfriend.]] In the tradition of ''Law & Order'', unless they're a recurring character, [[YouLookFamiliar actors are brought back at least once to portray a different character with a radically different persona/storyline.]] Come the season 10 episode, "Fools For Love", however [[spoiler: she played a different character with a nearly identical personality: another sociopath who killed her sister and her sister's friend with the help of her boyfriend and then tried to have him take all the blame.]]



** Quite a few fans didn't consider Kevin Bernard to be a worthy replacement for the beloved Ed Green. His generally flat characterization also didn't help matters.



** Nick Falco. Although he didn't get ''quite'' the level of hatred as some of the other scrappys due to his limited tenure on the show, many still found him underwhelming of a character and [[WhatTheHellCastingAgency felt he was a poor fit to the show]], namely due to viewers not being able to dissociate Michael Imperioli from his [[Series/TheSopranos most famous role.]]



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Benjamin "Bud" Greer (who was played by future ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'' star Creator/CourtneyBVance) from the episode "Rage", which [[RippedFromTheHeadlines the basis of the story is taken from]] the Long Island Subway killer, Colin Ferguson. His character was this because he was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unfairly rejected]] in both Black and White society for as long as he remembered and his victim [[MeanBoss boss]] was a [[AssholeVictim unlikable, money-hungry racist jerkass]] who it was difficult to care about, unlike Ferguson who slaughtered random people.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Benjamin "Bud" Greer (who was played by future ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'' star Creator/CourtneyBVance) from the episode "Rage", which [[RippedFromTheHeadlines the basis of the story is taken from]] the Long Island Subway killer, Colin Ferguson. His Even if he was on the snobbish side, his character was this because he was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unfairly rejected]] in by both Black and White society for as long as he remembered and his victim [[MeanBoss boss]] boss/victim]] was a [[AssholeVictim unlikable, money-hungry racist jerkass]] who it was difficult to care about, unlike Ferguson who slaughtered random people.people.
** Tommy Vega from "Formerly Famous", who was portrayed by Creator/GaryBusey. Yes, his character was based off of the Robert Blake case. Yes, he and his manager both killed his wife. However, unlike Blake, he was a someone who everyone, including his own adult children, considered to be a joke and a has-been as well HenpeckedHusband who tried to make up for everything by being a good father to his baby daughter... [[spoiler: [[YankTheDogsChain only to find out that he wasn't the child's biological father.]]]] Even in open court, he acknowledged what a failure he was and the heartbreak he experienced in learning the truth, especially when he screamed out "She was my second chance! Guys like me don't get a second chance!"
12th Jun '17 7:18:20 PM Erin582
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jaime Ross. Some fans loved her for her savvy understanding of the law and her outspoken nature, especially against [=McCoy=]. Others found her cold and disagreeable just for the sake of being so. Another reason is that she replaced one of the most popular [=ADAs=] of all time and (as unfair as a reason this is) while Kincaid was considered a MsFanservice, Ross generally wasn't.



* FranchiseOriginalSin: One of the main elements of ''Law & Order'' is the focus on the criminal process and a lack of personal lives of the detectives/lawyers or rather without a large amount of time spent on it, which worked well. However, upon [[Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit later]] [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent incarnations]], it didn't work so well. Initially on ''SVU'', it allowed glimpses into the squad's home lives (namely Stabler's), but some seasons later and with a new showrunner, his family was more or less [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome kicked off]], much to the annoyance of fans (save the DieForOurShip Elliott x Olivia) and established character development is [[ContinuitySnarl muddled (such as Benson's deceased mother, who was initially loving, being retconned into a neglectful alcoholic)]]. For ''Criminal Intent'', it followed the mothership's formula to focus on the criminals/cases instead of personal lives. This also was done away with years later by giving gratuitous screentime to Goren's mentally ill mother and addict brother amongst other things, which didn't appeal to fans who mostly hated the GenreShift. Furthermore with all three versions, new characters weren't well-received in part of them, due to formula, [[InformedAbility apparently having past skills or abilities that aren't seen or even fully explained]] and old characters were suddenly [[AssPull given idiosyncrasies and new personality traits that made no sense and were never seen before]] (most notoriously, Green's apparent gambling problem and [[spoiler: Serena's]] SuddenlySexuality.) Even reverting back to their old respective formulas caused the fandom of ''SVU'' to [[BrokenBase be split in two]] and ''Criminal Intent's'' popularity with fans to gradually decline until it was canceled.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: One of the main elements of ''Law & Order'' is the focus on the criminal process and a lack of personal lives of the detectives/lawyers or rather without a large amount of time spent on it, which worked well. However, upon [[Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit later]] [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent incarnations]], it didn't work so well. Initially on ''SVU'', it allowed glimpses into the squad's home lives (namely Stabler's), but some seasons later and with a new showrunner, his family was more or less [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome kicked off]], much to the annoyance of fans (save the DieForOurShip [[DieForOurShip Elliott x Olivia) Olivia]] crowd) and established character development is [[ContinuitySnarl muddled (such as Benson's deceased mother, who was initially loving, being retconned into a neglectful alcoholic)]]. For ''Criminal Intent'', it followed the mothership's formula to focus on the criminals/cases instead of personal lives. This also was done away with years later by giving gratuitous screentime to Goren's mentally ill mother and addict brother amongst other things, which didn't appeal to fans who mostly hated the GenreShift. Furthermore with all three versions, new characters weren't well-received in part of them, due to formula, [[InformedAbility apparently having past skills or abilities that aren't seen or even fully explained]] and old characters were suddenly [[AssPull given idiosyncrasies and new personality traits that made no sense and were never seen before]] (most notoriously, Green's apparent gambling problem and [[spoiler: Serena's]] SuddenlySexuality.) Even reverting back to their old respective formulas caused the fandom of ''SVU'' to [[BrokenBase be split in two]] and ''Criminal Intent's'' popularity with fans to gradually decline until it was canceled.



** On the season 8 episode "Baby, It's You" (crossing over with ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'') that was RippedFromTheHeadlines from the Jon Benet Ramsey case, they arrested the stalker of a 14 year old model that was raped to death. The stalker misread the name tag of [[JustForFun/JohnMunch a certain visiting Baltimore Homicide detective]] as "Defective Monk." This was in 1997, 5 years before the debut of ''Series/{{Monk}}'' the DefectiveDetective. In case you were wondering, it turned out [[spoiler: that the kid was innocent and the [[ParentalIncest girl's own mother]] was the one who raped and killed her daughter.]]

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** On the season 8 episode "Baby, It's You" (crossing over with ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'') that was RippedFromTheHeadlines from the Jon Benet Ramsey case, they arrested the stalker of a 14 year old model that was raped to death. The stalker misread the name tag of [[JustForFun/JohnMunch a certain visiting Baltimore Homicide detective]] as "Defective Monk." This was in 1997, 5 years before the debut of ''Series/{{Monk}}'' the DefectiveDetective. In case you were wondering, it turned out [[spoiler: that the kid was innocent and the [[ParentalIncest girl's own mother]] was the one who raped and killed her daughter.daughter out of jealousy.]]



** He also twice instigated 'fake trials'. In one, the defendant was in on it (the goal was to suss out a corrupt member of the prosecutor's office), but in the other the defendant wasn't and the whole thing was a ploy to allow [=McCoy=] to suborn perjury which would induce the defendant to confess. [=McCoy=] was later removed from the case for that event. Oh, and [[spoiler: the judge's superior threw out the case. The defendant was released and subsequently murdered by his co-conspirators. Oops.]]

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** He also twice instigated 'fake trials'. In one, the defendant was in on it (the goal was to suss out a corrupt member of the prosecutor's office), but in the other the defendant wasn't and the whole thing was a ploy to allow [=McCoy=] to suborn perjury which would induce the defendant to confess. [=McCoy=] was later removed from the case for that event. Oh, and [[spoiler: the judge's superior threw out the case. The defendant was released and subsequently murdered by his co-conspirators. Oops.]]



** [=McCoy=]'s prosecution is Season 10's "Gunshow" takes the cake: it's a MurderByProxy case where he goes after gun manufacturers for depraved indifference homicide after they neglected to make their semiautomatic pistols less prone to tampering in order to capitalize on profits. (This had resulted in one boy tampering with a pistol to make it fire ''four times'' as many bullets in under a minute, and allowed him to gun down 15 women in Central Park). [=McCoy=] actually [[spoiler: wins; however, the judge (William Wright, who has a grudge on him) throws it out because he believed that the jury had not considered the law properly, and he chastises [=McCoy=] for trying to rewrite social policy in the courtroom]]. This is referenced numerous times, notably in Season 18 when one lawyer criticizes him for being too liberal and persecuting conservatives.

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** [=McCoy=]'s prosecution is Season 10's "Gunshow" takes the cake: it's a MurderByProxy murder by proxy case where he goes after gun manufacturers for depraved indifference homicide after they neglected to make their semiautomatic pistols less prone to tampering in order to capitalize on profits. (This had resulted in one boy tampering with a pistol to make it fire ''four times'' as many bullets in under a minute, and allowed him to gun down 15 women in Central Park). [=McCoy=] actually [[spoiler: wins; however, the judge (William Wright, who has a grudge on him) throws it out because he believed that the jury had not considered the law properly, and he chastises [=McCoy=] for trying to rewrite social policy in the courtroom]]. This is referenced numerous times, notably in Season 18 when one lawyer criticizes him for being too liberal and persecuting conservatives.



** Also, "Sundays In The Park With Jorge". It's the only episode in twenty years to be ''pulled from rotation'' and made Dick Wolf and company look Hispanophobic.

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** Also, "Sundays In The Park With Jorge". It's the only episode in twenty years to be ''pulled from rotation'' rotation''[[note]]Although Creator/{{TNT}} as well as other channels that have syndication rights to the series now show it along with the other episodes[[/note]] and made Dick Wolf and company look Hispanophobic.



** Several in-universe examples. It becomes something of a tradition, when one detective is replaced, for his former partner to regard his replacement with suspicion or outright hostility for the first few episodes.

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** Several in-universe examples. [[StrictlyFormula It becomes something of a tradition, has become tradition throughout the entire franchise]] that when one detective detective/member of the D.A.'s office is replaced, for his former partner or others to regard his the replacement with suspicion or outright hostility for the first few episodes.episodes. If the fandom eventually eases up on them as well is only a matter of time.



** Nina Cassady as well due to her [[InformedAbility informed abilities]], [[Creator/SarahSilverman her striking resemblance to a certain polarizing stand-up comic]] and due to her being a watered-down version of [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent Eames.]]

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** Nina Cassady as well due to her [[InformedAbility informed abilities]], cocky nature, [[Creator/SarahSilverman her striking resemblance to a certain polarizing stand-up comic]] and due to her being a watered-down version of [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent Eames.]]]] She also was hated in-universe as well, particularly by Van Buren.



* {{Squick}}: [[spoiler: 20 year old guy to his 60 year old girlfriend, after learning she'd had a "vagina lift": (basically) "But I love you ''because'' of how you are!" The reason he's into MayDecemberRomances is also fairly squicky.]]

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* {{Squick}}: [[spoiler: 20 year old guy to his 60 year old girlfriend, after learning she'd had a "vagina lift": (basically) "But I love you ''because'' of how you are!" The reason he's into MayDecemberRomances [[MayDecemberRomance May-December romances]] is also fairly squicky.]]
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