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** Seyah Simms is an equal partner [[spoiler:in Seyah Kendry's coup]], meaning that they knew about the imminent [[spoiler:carpet-bombing of Old Town]] and was perfectly willing to let [[spoiler:her own daughter be killed along with the rest of the Westerlyns]].
** Seyah Simms' shock when [[spoiler:the genetic bomb went off]] was genuine, meaning the she didn’t know about the plan beforehand, or at least not all the details. This would make her a junior partner [[spoiler:in the coup]] and a lot less monstrous.

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** Seyah Simms is an equal partner [[spoiler:in in Seyah Kendry's coup]], coup, meaning that they she knew about the imminent [[spoiler:carpet-bombing carpet-bombing of Old Town]] Town and was perfectly willing to let [[spoiler:her her own daughter be killed along with the rest of the Westerlyns]].
Westerlyns.
** Seyah Simms' shock when [[spoiler:the the genetic bomb went off]] off was genuine, meaning the she didn’t know about the plan beforehand, or at least not all the details. This would make her a junior partner [[spoiler:in in the coup]] coup and a lot less monstrous.



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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode ''Schooled'' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics,]] followed by an interaction that can only be described as "dialog with heavy flirty undertones".
** As of season 3, [[spoiler:Kendry is involved with Aneela, who looks almost exactly like Dutch.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Seyah Kendry deals with the truth about the Wall being revealed by Pawter by attempting to make a deal with Old Town for their independence. However, when signing the treaty, she instead stabs Pawter and orders the Scarbacks with her to kill everyone else in the room. The leader for Old Town also dies thanks to her actions. Meanwhile, she is spearheading a plan to turn people in the Quad into Sixes.]]

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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode ''Schooled'' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a moment: a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics,]] biometrics, followed by an interaction that can only be described as "dialog with heavy flirty undertones".
** As of season 3, [[spoiler:Kendry Kendry is involved with Aneela, who looks almost exactly like Dutch.]]
Dutch.
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Seyah Seyah Kendry deals with the truth about the Wall being revealed by Pawter by attempting to make a deal with Old Town for their independence. However, when signing the treaty, she instead stabs Pawter and orders the Scarbacks with her to kill everyone else in the room. The leader for Old Town also dies thanks to her actions. Meanwhile, she is spearheading a plan to turn people in the Quad into Sixes.]]



* ShipSinking: [[spoiler:After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, Dutch put a stop to her relationship with D'avin.]]
* StrangledByTheRedString: In season 4, Zeph goes from having no interest in sex or romance to having sex with Pip without romance to spending all of her time trying to [[spoiler:save Pip from the spider that's in his brain.]]
* TheWoobie: Loella Simms, Pawter's younger sister. In the space of a few hours she loses her arm, her fiance, most of the family servants (who she seemed to genuinely care for) and both of her parents. And just a short time later [[spoiler:she loses her sister, leaving her utterly alone.]]
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Invoked in season 3, as Loella specifically cites all of this as the motivation for her revenge via [[spoiler:a mechanized BeeBeeGun.]]

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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler:After After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, Dutch put a stop to her relationship with D'avin.]]
They get back together in season 3.
* StrangledByTheRedString: In season 4, Zeph goes from having no interest in sex or romance to having sex with Pip without romance to spending all of her time trying to [[spoiler:save save Pip from the [[spoiler:the spider that's in his brain.]]
brain]].
* TheWoobie: Loella Louella Simms, Pawter's younger sister. In the space of a few hours she loses her arm, her fiance, most of the family servants (who she seemed to genuinely care for) and both of her parents. And just a short time later [[spoiler:she later, she loses her sister, leaving her utterly alone.]]
alone. [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Is it any wonder she snapped?]]
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Invoked in season 3, as Loella Louella specifically cites all of this the above as the motivation for her revenge on the Nine via [[spoiler:a a mechanized BeeBeeGun.]]
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* AwesomeMusic: The cover of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJIQ2NRwZps Wayfaring Stranger]] performed by Thom Allison (Pree) at the end of 'Reckoning Ball'.

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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The cover of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJIQ2NRwZps Wayfaring Stranger]] performed by Thom Allison (Pree) at the end of 'Reckoning Ball'.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: In season 4, Zeph goes from having no interest in sex or romance to having sex with Pip without romance to spending all of her time trying to [[spoiler:save Pip from the spider that's in his brain.]]



** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Invoked in season 3, as Loella specifically sites all of this as the motivation for her revenge via [[spoiler:a mechanized BeeBeeGun.]]

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** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Invoked in season 3, as Loella specifically sites cites all of this as the motivation for her revenge via [[spoiler:a mechanized BeeBeeGun.]]
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* AwesomeMusic: The cover of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJIQ2NRwZps Wayfaring Stranger]] performed by Thom Allison (Pree) at the end of 'Reckoning Ball'.


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* HoYay: D'avin and Fancy have a grudging friendship built on what can only be described as hate-flirting. Their screentime in 'How to Kill Friends and Influence People' is all but dripping with it.
--> '''Fancy''': "I didn't hate what you did there."\\
'''D'avin''': "Yeah, well, keep it in your pants, but ditto."
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* TheWoobie: Loella Simms, Pawter's younger sister. In the space of a few hours she loses her arm, her fiance, most of the family servants (who she seemed to genuinely care for) and both of her parents. And just a short time later [[spoiler:she loses her sister, leaving her utterly alone.]]

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* TheWoobie: Loella Simms, Pawter's younger sister. In the space of a few hours she loses her arm, her fiance, most of the family servants (who she seemed to genuinely care for) and both of her parents. And just a short time later [[spoiler:she loses her sister, leaving her utterly alone.]]
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Invoked in season 3, as Loella specifically sites all of this as the motivation for her revenge via [[spoiler:a mechanized BeeBeeGun.
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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler:After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, Dutch put a stop to her relationship with D'avin.]]

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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler:After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, Dutch put a stop to her relationship with D'avin.]]
* TheWoobie: Loella Simms, Pawter's younger sister. In the space of a few hours she loses her arm, her fiance, most of the family servants (who she seemed to genuinely care for) and both of her parents. And just a short time later [[spoiler:she loses her sister, leaving her utterly alone.
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-->'''Alvis''': Do you enjoy your work, Officer? I will pray for you tonight...and your family.

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-->'''Alvis''': Do you enjoy your work, Officer? I will pray for you tonight... and your family.



%%* FanPreferredCouple: Doctor Pawter and Da'vin.

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%%* FanPreferredCouple: Doctor Pawter and Da'vin.D'Avin.



* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Seyah Kendry deals with the truth about the Wall being revealed by Pawter by attempting to make a deal with Old Town for their independence. However, when signing the treaty, she instead stabs Pawter and orders the Scarbacks with her to kill everyone else in the room. The leader for Old Town also dies thanks to her actions. Meanwhile, she is spearheading a plan to turn people in the Quad into Sixes.]]
%%* RomanticPlotTumor: Dutch and Davin.
* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, Dutch put a stop to her relationship with D'Avin.]]

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** As of season 3, [[spoiler:Kendry is involved with Aneela, who looks almost exactly like Dutch.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Seyah [[spoiler:Seyah Kendry deals with the truth about the Wall being revealed by Pawter by attempting to make a deal with Old Town for their independence. However, when signing the treaty, she instead stabs Pawter and orders the Scarbacks with her to kill everyone else in the room. The leader for Old Town also dies thanks to her actions. Meanwhile, she is spearheading a plan to turn people in the Quad into Sixes.]]
%%* * RomanticPlotTumor: Dutch and Davin.
D'avin. Every time the series decides to explore the WillTheyOrWontThey tension between them, the episode grinds to a halt.
* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After [[spoiler:After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, Dutch put a stop to her relationship with D'Avin.D'avin.]]
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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, she put a stop to the relationship.]]

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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, she Dutch put a stop to the relationship.her relationship with D'Avin.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Seyah Kendry deals with the truth about the Wall being revealed by Pawter by attempting to make a deal with Old Town for their independence. However, when signing the treaty, she instead stabs Pawter and orders the Scarbacks with her to kill everyone else in the room. The leader for Old Town also dies thanks to her actions. Meanwhile, she is spearheading a plan to turn people in the Quad into Sixes.]]
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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode ''Schooled'' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics.]]

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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode ''Schooled'' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics.]]biometrics,]] followed by an interaction that can only be described as "dialog with heavy flirty undertones".
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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode '''Schooled''' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics.]]

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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode '''Schooled''' ''Schooled'' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics.]]
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** If it wasn't clear before the season 2 episode '''Schooled''' confirms it with their climatic moment [[spoiler:a interesting twist on the KissOfLife trope involving biometrics.]]
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** Seyah Simms is an equal partner [[spoiler:in the Seyah Kendry's coup]], meaning that they knew about the imminent [[spoiler:carpet-bombing of Old Town]] and was perfectly willing to let [[spoiler:her own daughter be killed along with the rest of the Westerlyns]].

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** Seyah Simms is an equal partner [[spoiler:in the Seyah Kendry's coup]], meaning that they knew about the imminent [[spoiler:carpet-bombing of Old Town]] and was perfectly willing to let [[spoiler:her own daughter be killed along with the rest of the Westerlyns]].

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Seyah Simms' actions in the first season finale can be interpreted two ways…

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Seyah Simms' actions in the first season finale can be interpreted two ways…ways:



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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Alvis.
** Also, Pree. He is comic relief, while giving good advice.
** Doctor Pawter.
* FanPreferredCouple: Doctor Pawter and Da'vin.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: %%* EnsembleDarkHorse:
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Alvis.
** %%** Also, Pree. He is comic relief, while giving good advice.
** %%** Doctor Pawter.
* %%* FanPreferredCouple: Doctor Pawter and Da'vin.



* RomanticPlotTumor: Dutch and Davin.
** ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, she put a stop to the relationship.]]

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* %%* RomanticPlotTumor: Dutch and Davin.
** * ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, she put a stop to the relationship.]]
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not approved by the cleanup thread.


* CompleteMonster: Dr. Jaegar. [[spoiler: She put Davin under mind control, and had him kill his squad. Then, she put a kill warrant on him so that he won't be able to find her. Finally, she put him under control again, resulting in him almost killing Dutch and Johnny.]]
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* FanPreferredCouple: Doctor Pawter and Da'vin.
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'''Dutch:''' You must be quite the snapper.

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'''Dutch:''' You must be quite the snapper.snapper.
* RomanticPlotTumor: Dutch and Davin.
** ShipSinking: [[spoiler: After Dr. Jaegar's mind-whammy resulted in Dutch being brutalized and Johnny almost dying, she put a stop to the relationship.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Dr. Jaegar. [[spoiler: She put Davin under mind control, and had him kill his squad. Then, she put a kill warrant on him so that he won't be able to find her. Finally, she put him under control again, resulting in him almost killing Dutch and Johnny.]]


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*EnsembleDarkHorse: Alvis.
** Also, Pree. He is comic relief, while giving good advice.
** Doctor Pawter.
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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect, the "Scarbacks," are into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security. D'avin even lampshades it.

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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect, the "Scarbacks," are into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's their standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security. D'avin even lampshades it.
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-->'''Delle Seyah:''' I snap and you come.\\

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-->'''Delle Seyah:''' -->'''Seyah Kendry:''' I snap and you come.\\

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It has been all but established that \"Seyah\" is a title, not part of their name. The character should be then refered to as Delle Kendry or Seyah Kendry.


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Seyah Simms' actions in the first season finale can be interpreted two ways…
** Seyah Simms is an equal partner [[spoiler:in the Seyah Kendry's coup]], meaning that they knew about the imminent [[spoiler:carpet-bombing of Old Town]] and was perfectly willing to let [[spoiler:her own daughter be killed along with the rest of the Westerlyns]].
** Seyah Simms' shock when [[spoiler:the genetic bomb went off]] was genuine, meaning the she didn’t know about the plan beforehand, or at least not all the details. This would make her a junior partner [[spoiler:in the coup]] and a lot less monstrous.



* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. This is further played up in the season finale, where at one point she asks Dutch to help lace up [[OfCorsetsSexy her corset]]. Even John is smirking at the obvious tension. And then there's this:

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* LesYay: Delle Seyah Kendry is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. This is further played up in the season finale, where at one point she asks Dutch to help lace up [[OfCorsetsSexy her corset]]. Even John is smirking at the obvious tension. And then there's this:
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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. This is further played up in the season finale, to the point that even John is smirking at the obvious tension. And then there's this:

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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. This is further played up in the season finale, to the where at one point that even she asks Dutch to help lace up [[OfCorsetsSexy her corset]]. Even John is smirking at the obvious tension. And then there's this:
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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security. D'avin even lampshades it.

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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is sect, the "Scarbacks," are into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security. D'avin even lampshades it.
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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security.

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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security. D'avin even lampshades it.



* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. And then there's this:
-->Delle Seyah: I snap and you come.
-->Dutch: You must be quite the snapper.

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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. This is further played up in the season finale, to the point that even John is smirking at the obvious tension. And then there's this:
-->Delle Seyah: -->'''Delle Seyah:''' I snap and you come.
-->Dutch:
come.\\
'''Dutch:'''
You must be quite the snapper.
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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security.

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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself is intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security.
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* CreepyAwesome: Alvis's sect is into self-mutilation as part of their rituals. Alvis himself intense even by his order's standards: he creeps ''everyone'' out, from Pree down to local security.
-->'''Alvis''': Do you enjoy your work, Officer? I will pray for you tonight...and your family.

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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her.

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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her. And then there's this:
-->Delle Seyah: I snap and you come.
-->Dutch: You must be quite the snapper.
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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her.

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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves rescuing damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her.
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* LesYay: Delle Seyah is really, ''really'' interested in Dutch, so much so that Dutch half-jokingly calls it stalking. In episode 7, she even tells Dutch that she loves damsels in distress. Not to mention the way she looks at her.

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