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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: In the RedHerring situation at the start of their sophomore year at Beige University, the accepted assumption was that Fiona initially thought Greta ate her boyfriend, Todd. But a minority opinion of fans was the thought that Greta got pregnant with Todd, and was carrying an egg.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: In the RedHerring situation [[https://kevinandkell.com/2016/kk0912.html at the start of their sophomore year at Beige University, University]] in 2016, the accepted assumption was that Fiona initially thought Greta that a bulge in Greta's midsection meant that she ate her boyfriend, Todd. But a minority opinion of fans was the thought that Greta got pregnant with Todd, and was carrying an egg.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: In the RedHerring situation at the start of their sophomore year at Beige University, the accepted assumption was that Fiona initially thought Greta ate her boyfriend, Todd. But a minority opinion of fans was the thought that Greta got pregnant with Todd, and was carrying an egg.
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Natter. Discussion like that should either be on the talk page of you’d like to present a case for rewriting the entry, or over on the WMG tab if you’re proposing a personal theory.


** I thought about this, but then I noticed that Ophelia transitioning to living as a turtle doesn't make her trans-diet. (George notices in one strip that she's eating fish.) Ophelia having an easy time transitioning to a turtle felt like someone who is transitioning to being agender, or is FTM or MTF without wanting surgery or HRT.
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… they were vilified for a reason.


** At the end of 2021, he ran a brief arc where parents went against the school board regarding a student mask mandate, and seemed to utilize every known negative stereotype to vilify such parents. [[BrokenAesop The COVID-related storylines disappeared in 2022]].
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**I thought about this, but then I noticed that Ophelia transitioning to living as a turtle doesn't make her trans-diet. (George notices in one strip that she's eating fish.) Ophelia having an easy time transitioning to a turtle felt like someone who is transitioning to being agender, or is FTM or MTF without wanting surgery or HRT.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Rhonda dumps Edgar, a character she had been dating exclusively for much of her history in the strip, for Quinn, a character the readers have just met, has had no build-up at all, and its supposed to be "true love". She would then be PutOnABus for several years before returning to join Kell's business.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Rhonda dumps Edgar, a character she had been dating exclusively for much of her history in the strip, for Quinn, a character the readers have just met, has had no build-up at all, and its it's supposed to be "true love". She would then be PutOnABus for several years before returning to join Kell's business.
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*** This is just building off of a general issue in Holbrook's comic strips, where he inevitably gets bored with his current cast. Rather than naturally phase out characters he's lost interest in, he just starts inventing new character that he then devotes all of the strip to glorifying and expects the readers will carry about the new hotness as much as he does. We should be grateful he at least never changed the title of the strip to "Kevin and Kell, starring Desdemona" or paid a cosplayer to wear a Desdemona fursuit.

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*** This is just building off of a general issue in Holbrook's comic strips, where he inevitably gets bored with his current cast. Rather than naturally phase out characters he's lost interest in, he just starts inventing new character characters that he then devotes all of the strip to glorifying and expects the readers will carry about the new hotness as much as he does. We should be grateful he at least never changed the title of the strip to "Kevin and Kell, starring Desdemona" or paid a cosplayer to wear a Desdemona fursuit.
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*** This is just building off of a general issues in Holbrook's comic strips, where he inevitably gets bored with his current cast. Rather than naturally phase out characters he's lost interest in, he just starts inventing new character that he then devotes all of the strip to glorifying and expects the readers will carry about the new hotness as much as he does. We should be grateful he at least never changed the title of the strip to "Kevin and Kell, starring Desdemona" or paid a cosplayer to wear a Desdemona fursuit.

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*** This is just building off of a general issues issue in Holbrook's comic strips, where he inevitably gets bored with his current cast. Rather than naturally phase out characters he's lost interest in, he just starts inventing new character that he then devotes all of the strip to glorifying and expects the readers will carry about the new hotness as much as he does. We should be grateful he at least never changed the title of the strip to "Kevin and Kell, starring Desdemona" or paid a cosplayer to wear a Desdemona fursuit.
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That whole section is now out of date, and thus the theories about Lindesfarne's potential children not being "flying hedgehogs" have been put to rest.


* HarsherInHindsight:
** [[http://kevinandkell.com/2001/kk0217.html This strip]] falls under this trope when it's realized that, as a former human, [[https://web.archive.org/web/20091023131110/http://blog.kevinandkell.com/archives/195-DEALING-WITH-THE-FUTURE.html any children Lindesfarne bears would probably be human]] - which makes it unlikely her great-grandchildren would be hedgehogs.
** Related to this, any references to diapering flying hedgehogs.
** This, however, may be subject to a {{retcon}}. The original source above is now gone, and [[http://kevinandkell.com/2017/kk0301.html an ultrasound revealed Lindesfarne and Fenton's first daughter is a bat]]. It is possible that Lindesfarne has been on this side of the portal long enough that she will no longer have human offspring, or the fact that she went through puberty on this side may have an effect on things.
*** Definitely retconned - Turvy has been born and is a flying hedgehog.
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I'm doing a second pass on this because the entry is probably too long.


* CluelessAesop: Holbrook has long used changing species or diet as a in-universe analogue for being transgender. While it’s always been a little awkward, in universe it’s explained that nobody cares about gender or sexuality that much due to species and diet classification being considered more important. The first storylines involving this revolves around a long storyline with Bruno, who initially surgically transitions to having an ungulate digestive tract and teeth and faces extreme discrimination and backlash for being a wolf who chose to be an herbivore. Many years later he finally felt more comfortable fully transitioning into a sheep like his wife. This one was generally well received due to the care put into his character growth over many years and finding as many in-universe analogues for transgender humans as possible. Flash forward to much later example in which Ophelia unironically became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. Completely ignorant that he’d just written a character that uses transphobic stereotypes suggesting trans people are easily influenced and change genders on a whim. She also faces none of the discrimination or difficulties Bruno did, seemingly either ignoring or retconning this. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher to do so]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like the allegory had been cheapened, with some fans comparing it to real-life experiences with cults. And again, it invokes another transphobic trope, portraying the turtles as essentially pressuring a non-turtle to transition to be accepted into his new relationship. A currently active tactic to pass anti-trans legislation involves claiming transgender people are “recruiting impressionable kids” or that cisgender lesbians are “forced into transitioning” to be accepted as heterosexual. Displaying a mixture of these as a good thing is incredibly reckless writing for a cisgender heterosexual writer regardless of probable good intentions.

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* CluelessAesop: Holbrook has long used changing species or diet as a in-universe analogue for being transgender. While it’s always been a little awkward, in universe awkward and isn't meant to be one-to-one, it’s been explained that nobody cares about gender or sexuality that much due to species and diet classification being considered more important. The first storylines involving this revolves around a long storyline with Bruno, who initially surgically transitions to having an ungulate digestive tract and teeth and faces extreme discrimination and backlash for being a wolf who chose to be an herbivore. Many years later he finally felt more comfortable fully transitioning into a sheep like his wife. This one was generally well received due to Initially the care put into his only character growth to go through this was Bruno, whose arc played out over many several years and finding showed him going through a massive emotional arc as many in-universe analogues for transgender humans well as possible. eventually embracing surgical transition. This is not the Clueless Aesop, the fans overall thought this arc was done tastefully. Flash forward to much later example in which Ophelia unironically became "trans-turtle" simply because she wore a turtle-shell as a disguise once. She has this overnight revelation and massive lifestyle change in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. Completely Bill seemed completely ignorant that he’d just written a character that uses is an example of the transphobic stereotypes suggesting trans people are easily influenced and change genders on stereotype of a whim. "Transtrender." She also faces none of the discrimination or difficulties Bruno did, seemingly either ignoring or retconning this.it. This went a step further when she married a gopher, George Gopher, who gets disowned by his gopher family for wanting to marry her. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher that he should transition to do so]] fit in]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like called this out for being incredibly insensitive and again, for using a transphobic stereotype (this time of transpeople "recruiting" vulnerable people.) At bare minimum, it made the allegory as Holbrook had been cheapened, with some fans comparing initially presented it to real-life experiences with cults. And again, it invokes another transphobic trope, portraying the turtles as essentially pressuring a non-turtle to transition to be accepted into his new relationship. A currently active tactic to pass anti-trans legislation involves claiming transgender people are “recruiting impressionable kids” or that cisgender lesbians are “forced into transitioning” to be accepted as heterosexual. Displaying a mixture of these as a good thing is incredibly reckless writing for a cisgender heterosexual writer regardless of probable good intentions.feel cheapened.

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** The pro-trans arguments get a little extreme when it's trans-species. One character became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. It's much more controversial than the early, well-done trans-species experience that Bruno took, which involved a surgery to change to an herbivore digestive system and involved long, emotional story arcs. Now, it's just pop on a disguise and demand that you are a turtle. It actively cheapens the prior story by how easy it is. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher to do so]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like the allegory had been cheapened, with some fans comparing it to real-life experiences with cults.


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* CluelessAesop: Holbrook has long used changing species or diet as a in-universe analogue for being transgender. While it’s always been a little awkward, in universe it’s explained that nobody cares about gender or sexuality that much due to species and diet classification being considered more important. The first storylines involving this revolves around a long storyline with Bruno, who initially surgically transitions to having an ungulate digestive tract and teeth and faces extreme discrimination and backlash for being a wolf who chose to be an herbivore. Many years later he finally felt more comfortable fully transitioning into a sheep like his wife. This one was generally well received due to the care put into his character growth over many years and finding as many in-universe analogues for transgender humans as possible. Flash forward to much later example in which Ophelia unironically became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. Completely ignorant that he’d just written a character that uses transphobic stereotypes suggesting trans people are easily influenced and change genders on a whim. She also faces none of the discrimination or difficulties Bruno did, seemingly either ignoring or retconning this. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher to do so]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like the allegory had been cheapened, with some fans comparing it to real-life experiences with cults. And again, it invokes another transphobic trope, portraying the turtles as essentially pressuring a non-turtle to transition to be accepted into his new relationship. A currently active tactic to pass anti-trans legislation involves claiming transgender people are “recruiting impressionable kids” or that cisgender lesbians are “forced into transitioning” to be accepted as heterosexual. Displaying a mixture of these as a good thing is incredibly reckless writing for a cisgender heterosexual writer regardless of probable good intentions.
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Anvilicious involves an overly aggressive moral message the work itself is pounding into the reader. This just sounds KELL is the problem. If that isn’t the case though, this should be brought back with a framing that highlights the moral the storyline is trying to teach.


** There's also the matter of Kell pressuring Sheila to get more involved in Leona's wedding planning. Some fans claimed it became a selfish guilt trip when Kell [[https://kevinandkell.com/2019/kk1218.html began implying that a bad experience for Fiona as the maid of honor could ruin her relationship with Rudy]] by souring her opinion of marriage.
*** Then Kell topped it off by threatening blackmail, saying she would impersonate Sheila and "volunteer" her for everything if Sheila didn't.
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Going back to ''1995'', this is one of the longest-running webcomics with over 9,000 strips and still counting. That's 27 years of DAILY strips.... You don't need to read the full archive to understand the newer strips but you have to read them if you want to get the full story.

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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Going back to ''1995'', this is one of the longest-running webcomics with over 9,000 strips and still counting. That's 27 28 years of DAILY strips.... You don't need to read the full archive to understand the newer strips but you have to read them if you want to get the full story.
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* BrokenAesop: Nothing overarching about the situations of Carl and Ophelia seem to have major societal issue that, in the real world, most certainly apply. The obsession of certain hunters over Carl's horn and Ophelia's pelt could be extrapolated to a situation that in the real would trend toward extinction, but in a WorldOfFunnyAnimals would veer head-on into ''genocide''.

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* BrokenAesop: Nothing overarching about the situations of Carl and Ophelia seem to have major societal issue that, in the real world, most certainly apply. The obsession of certain hunters over Carl's horn and Ophelia's pelt could be extrapolated to a situation that in the real would trend toward extinction, but in a WorldOfFunnyAnimals would veer head-on into ''genocide''. At least, in the case of Ophelia, it's implied to extend beyond her family, even if there's no sort of stigma or movement against it. In Carl's case, no other rhinoceroses--not Rachel, not even Carl's parents--seem to have the difficulty with poachers he and his daughter Savanna have personally needed to deal with, which instead points toward ''stalking''.
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* BrokenAesop: Nothing overarching about the situations of Carl and Ophelia seem to have major societal issue that, in the real world, most certainly apply. The obsession of certain hunters over Carl's horn and Ophelia's pelt could be extrapolated to a situation that in the real would trend toward extinction, but in a WorldOfFunnyAnimals would veer head-on into ''genocide''.
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* FanNickname: Fans tend to capitalize Vin's name to differentiate them from [[OneSteveLimit Vin Vulpen]].
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** The pro-trans arguments get a little extreme when it's trans-species. One character became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. It's much more controversial than the early, well-done trans-species experience that Bruno took, which involved a surgery to change to an herbivore digestive system and involved long, emotional story arcs. Now, it's just pop on a disguise and demand that you are a turtle. It actively cheapens the prior story by how easy it is. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher to do so]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like the allegory had been cheapened, with some fans seeing UnfortunateImplications comparing it to real-life experiences with cults.

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** The pro-trans arguments get a little extreme when it's trans-species. One character became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. It's much more controversial than the early, well-done trans-species experience that Bruno took, which involved a surgery to change to an herbivore digestive system and involved long, emotional story arcs. Now, it's just pop on a disguise and demand that you are a turtle. It actively cheapens the prior story by how easy it is. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher to do so]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like the allegory had been cheapened, with some fans seeing UnfortunateImplications comparing it to real-life experiences with cults.
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** The pro-trans arguments get a little extreme when it's trans-species. One character became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. It's much more controversial than the early, well-done trans-species experience that Bruno took, which involved a surgery to change to an herbivore digestive system and involved long, emotional story arcs. Now, it's just pop on a disguise and demand that you are a turtle. It actively cheapens the prior story by how easy it is.

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** The pro-trans arguments get a little extreme when it's trans-species. One character became "trans-turtle" in literally a week. With no change except wearing an artificial turtle shell that she had donned only as an emergency disguise, she is almost immediately saying "I am a turtle". People are portrayed as extremely wrong for even mentioning that she's a weasel pretending to be a turtle. It's much more controversial than the early, well-done trans-species experience that Bruno took, which involved a surgery to change to an herbivore digestive system and involved long, emotional story arcs. Now, it's just pop on a disguise and demand that you are a turtle. It actively cheapens the prior story by how easy it is. After [[https://kevinandkell.com/2023/kk0301.html a group of turtles convinced George Gopher to do so]] when he married Ophelia, even transgender fans began to feel like the allegory had been cheapened, with some fans seeing UnfortunateImplications comparing it to real-life experiences with cults.
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** At the end of 2021, he ran a brief arc where parents went against the school board regarding a student mask mandate, and seemed to utilize every known negative stereotype to vilify such parents.

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** At the end of 2021, he ran a brief arc where parents went against the school board regarding a student mask mandate, and seemed to utilize every known negative stereotype to vilify such parents. [[BrokenAesop The COVID-related storylines disappeared in 2022]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: A football-themed strip [[https://kevinandkell.com/2006/kk0101.html on New Year's Day 2006]] showed even the players at a bowl game had corporate branding. Fast forward 15 years, and college football players can now benefit personally from their name, image, and likeness (NIL). This was further invoked in 2022 [[https://kevinandkell.com/2022/kk0708.html when Rudy was again able to sell his produce after the gardening season harvest.]]
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Lindesfarne's {{squick}} over Human!Martha's sweat. Several animal species perspire (including primates). Particularly egregious given that Lindesfarne is a biologist and should've already have known what sweat was.
** This crops up constantly, such as the fact that Bill Holbrook does not know the difference between a hedgehog and a porcupine. He basically knows as much about animals in general as Creator/StanLee knew about [[Franchise/SpiderMan spiders]].
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"Idiot Plot" is now Flame Bait.


* IdiotPlot: Hockely wanting to participate as an Easter Bunny just to impress Lin. The flimsy excuse given for him participating was somehow [[https://kevinandkell.com/2018/kk0327.html "the paperwork being in his name"]] and he could request that despite the Rabbit Council being the one who decides who is the Easter Bunny and knowing full well that Hockley was just a cover story for Wendell. All this did was cause a plotline that took Dorothy, a character much more liked than the loudmouthed bully, out from being an Easter Bunny permanently. It appears Bill may have realized this idea wasn't as popular as he had hoped because Hockley has not appeared in a Easter Bunny storyline since then.
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** While the comic eventually did include LGBT characters, the interracial allegory leans more into BrokenAesop territory with how whitebread it is with the lack of cities, art, foreign countries, etc. that often comes off more like a MonochromeCasting sitcom from decades ago.
* UnfortunateImplications: Some fans suspect that Bruno was made fully trans-species, and not merely trans-diet, because Bill wanted another trans-species character that wasn't evil. To that point, only Angelique was trans-species (a rabbit living as a rat). Though in the case of Angelique, although she presents as a rat, she still recognizes herself a really being a rabbit.

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** While the comic eventually did include LGBT characters, the interracial allegory leans more into BrokenAesop territory with how whitebread it is with the lack of cities, art, foreign countries, etc. that often comes off more like a MonochromeCasting sitcom from decades ago.
* UnfortunateImplications: Some fans suspect that Bruno was made fully trans-species, and not merely trans-diet, because Bill wanted another trans-species character that wasn't evil. To that point, only Angelique was trans-species (a rabbit living as a rat). Though in the case of Angelique, although she presents as a rat, she still recognizes herself a really being a rabbit.
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Going back to ''1995'', this is one of the longest-running webcomics with over 9,000 strips and still counting. That's 26.5 years of DAILY strips.... You don't need to read the full archive to understand the newer strips but you have to read them if you want to get the full story.

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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Going back to ''1995'', this is one of the longest-running webcomics with over 9,000 strips and still counting. That's 26.5 27 years of DAILY strips.... You don't need to read the full archive to understand the newer strips but you have to read them if you want to get the full story.

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