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Moral Event Horizon is about the moment the audience sees the character as irredeemable, not a list of a character's most heinous crimes, so whatever Takeo does after crossing it is irrelevant


* MoralEventHorizon: Takeo crosses this when he murders both his wife, son, and son's cat in a jealous, paranoid rage. Not only that, but he also [[spoiler:murdered Masami, the wife of Kobayashi, the man Takeo believed Kayako to be having an affair with, before ''cutting out her unborn child, shoving it in a sack and beating it against the walls and floor, and then telephoning Kobayashi to tell him what he'd done''.]] Yikes.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Takeo crosses this when he murders both his wife, son, and son's cat in a jealous, paranoid rage. Not only that, but he also [[spoiler:murdered Masami, the wife of Kobayashi, the man Takeo believed Kayako to be having an affair with, before ''cutting out her unborn child, shoving it in a sack and beating it against the walls and floor, and then telephoning Kobayashi to tell him what he'd done''.]] Yikes.

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* BrokenBase: There are some who aren't at all keen on the ContinuityReboot and the changes to Kayako and Takeo's personalities, or ''Film/SadakoVsKayako'', feeling that the latter film turned both this franchise and ''Literature/TheRing'' franchise into jokes.

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There are some who aren't at all keen on the ContinuityReboot and the changes to Kayako and Takeo's personalities, or ''Film/SadakoVsKayako'', feeling that the latter film turned both this franchise and ''Literature/TheRing'' franchise into jokes.
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Uncanny Valley is IUEO now and the subjective version has been split; cleaning up misuse and ZCE in the process


* UncannyValley: Kayako, and the way she ''moves''.
* WhatAnIdiot: Kyoko Suzuki's brother, who ''still'' sold the house in spite of his (clairvoyant) sister's obvious fear of the place.
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** Takeo Saeki, before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife]] by snapping her neck, leaving her [[AndIMustScream alive, but paralyzed in extreme agony]] for a lengthy period before he finally kills her with a knife. Takeo then proceeds to calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the wife of the man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he's done.

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** Takeo Saeki, before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife]] Kayeko by snapping her neck, leaving her [[AndIMustScream alive, but paralyzed in extreme agony]] for a lengthy period before he finally kills her with a knife. Takeo then proceeds to calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the wife of the man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he's done.
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** Takeo, before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife]] by snapping her neck, leaving her [[AndIMustScream alive, but paralyzed in extreme agony]] for a lengthy period before he finally kills her with a knife. Takeo then proceeds to calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the wife of the man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he's done.

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** Takeo, Takeo Saeki, before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife]] by snapping her neck, leaving her [[AndIMustScream alive, but paralyzed in extreme agony]] for a lengthy period before he finally kills her with a knife. Takeo then proceeds to calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the wife of the man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he's done.

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* CompleteMonster: Takeo, before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife]] by snapping her neck, leaving her [[AndIMustScream alive, but paralyzed in extreme agony]] for a lengthy period before he finally kills her with a knife. Takeo then proceeds to calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the wife of the man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he's done.

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* CompleteMonster: Takeo, CompleteMonster:
**Takeo,
before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife]] by snapping her neck, leaving her [[AndIMustScream alive, but paralyzed in extreme agony]] for a lengthy period before he finally kills her with a knife. Takeo then proceeds to calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the wife of the man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he's done.done.
**''Black Ghost'' & ''White Ghost'': The [[OurGhostsAreDifferent Black Ghost]] is a [[DarkIsEvil malevolent]] spirit housing Fukie Yokota's body, spawned from the [[EvilTwin spiritual grudge of Fukie's stillborn twin]]. Desiring murderous revenge on the world, the spirit attempts to [[DemonicPossession forcibly take control of Fukie]], causing her no shortage of pain as she [[DrivenToMadness descends into madness]]. When her mother Kiwako Yokota contacts her sister Mariko, a veteran exorcist, she attempts to purge the wicked spirit but accidentally expels Fukie's soul instead thanks to its manipulations. The overtaken Fukie subsequently finds Mariko's house at night and murders her child and husband in front of her before beating her to death. When a despondent Kiwako jumps off a roof with Fukie's body hoping it takes the spirit with her, her suicide only unleashes it upon the world to possess others, starting with her husband. Years later in ''White Ghost'', the spirit's evil lives on at the site of Mariko's family massacre. When the Isobe family moves into Mariko's home, the spirit possesses the eldest son into murdering his entire family and performing a ritual to spread a curse before hanging himself, making it ultimately responsible for all the tragedies in both films.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Ju-On: The Grudge'', released for the Nintendo Wii and separate from the films' canon, was heavily panned by critics for its [[{{Waggle}} difficult controls]], [[GuideDangIt confusing gameplay]], and [[ItsShortSoItSucks relatively short length]]. That said, most gamers are willing to admit that the game itself still manages to be genuinely scary thanks to the atmosphere.



* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Ju-On: The Grudge'', released for the Nintendo Wii and separate from the films' canon, was heavily panned by critics for its [[{{Waggle}} difficult controls]], [[GuideDangIt confusing gameplay]], and [[ItsShortSoItSucks relatively short length]]. That said, most gamers are willing to admit that the game itself still manages to be genuinely scary thanks to the atmosphere.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: Being low-budget features (especially the first two), it's [[JustifiedTrope natural]] that a few of these turn up, but one example is the faces of Toyama and Izumi appearing at the back of the shrine in the third film - it is jarringly obvious that they've been sloppily cut out and pasted on the back of the shrine.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: Being low-budget features (especially the first two), it's [[JustifiedTrope natural]] natural that a few of these turn up, but one example is the faces of Toyama and Izumi appearing at the back of the shrine in the third film - it is jarringly obvious that they've been sloppily cut out and pasted on the back of the shrine.

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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The scene in ''White Ghost'' where Toshio [[FridgeBrilliance meows at a barking dog toy]].

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* SequelDisplacement: While casual audiences might at least be aware that ''Film/TheGrudge'' is a remake of ''Ju-On: The Grudge'', it is less well-known that the "original" film was actually the third in a series, preceded by ''Ju-On: The Curse'' and ''Ju-On: The Curse 2''. This is largely because ''Ju-On: The Grudge'' received a theatrical release (as opposed to going DirectToVideo like its two predecessors) and was the basis of the [[AdaptationDisplacement much better-known]] American remake.

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* CompleteMonster: Takeo, even ''before'' he became part of the curse (but only after his FreakOut). He murders his wife (by not only snapping her neck, but leaving her [[AndIMustScream still alive, paralysed and in sheer agony for a period of time]] before he finally kills her with a knife), his child, and his child's cat in a fit of extreme jealousy - mostly looking extremely calm (if detached) while he does so - and then [[spoiler: brutally murders Manami, Kobayashi's wife, in her own home, ''cuts out her unborn child'', sticks it in a plastic sack, phones Kobayashi to inform him of what he's just done, and then proceeds to bash the foetus against railings in the street]]. After his death, his other assorted atrocities have included him [[spoiler:[[MindRape driving Kyoko completely insane]] by forcing her to watch what he did to Manami]], [[spoiler: possessing Tatsuya]], and [[spoiler: murdering Rika (in the novel, he tortures and rapes her instead)]].

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* CompleteMonster: Takeo, even ''before'' he became part of before [[AssholeVictim being taken by the curse (but only after his FreakOut). He horrific curse]], [[DomesticAbuse murders his wife (by not only wife]] by snapping her neck, but leaving her [[AndIMustScream still alive, paralysed and but paralyzed in sheer agony extreme agony]] for a lengthy period of time]] before he finally kills her with a knife), his child, and his child's cat in a fit of extreme jealousy - mostly looking extremely calm (if detached) while he does so - and then [[spoiler: brutally murders Manami, Kobayashi's wife, in her own home, ''cuts out her unborn child'', sticks it in a plastic sack, phones Kobayashi to inform him of what he's just done, and knife. Takeo then proceeds to bash calmly [[OffingTheOffspring murder his son Toshio]], and even Toshio's [[BadPeopleAbuseAnimals cat]], before he attacks the foetus against railings in wife of the street]]. After his death, his other assorted atrocities have included him [[spoiler:[[MindRape driving Kyoko completely insane]] by forcing man he suspected Kayako was having an affair with before cutting out her to watch unborn child from her stomach and mocks the father over what he did to Manami]], [[spoiler: possessing Tatsuya]], and [[spoiler: murdering Rika (in the novel, he tortures and rapes her instead)]].he's done.
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* AnimalMotifs - Kayako (and her curse) reminds this troper of spiders:
** One of the first scenes in the very first film is a view of a spider with the Saeki house (the roof and the attic to be exact) behind it.
** Kayako's often seen (or heard) in the attic, which is a common place for spiders to live.
** Female spiders are commonly considered more dangerous than males - Kayako is (excluding the two reboots) the most threatening of the ghosts and has the largest body count.
** Females of some species are known to eat their partners - Kayako's first victim (if you don't count Toshio, who might or might not have been killed by his mother) is her crush - Kobayashi, and her second victim is her husband.
** The curse itself has a resemblance to a spider's web - when you enter the house it's only a matter of time before you die at the hands of (most likely) Kayako. No matter how far you escape, the curse is stuck to you just like a spider's web.
** The way Kayako moves, i.e. on all fours, head first and in some cases she appears on the ceiling or from other place improbable or outright impossible for a human being.
** Kayako emerging from a plastic bag (both in the stairway scene and before killing Takeo) reminds of an arthropod molting or leaving a cocoon.
** Victims are often seen unresponsive or even catatonic in the face of immediate danger such as Kayako approaching them - spiders most commonly poison their prey with venom and then eat them unable to move but still alive.
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* CompleteMonster: Takeo, even ''before'' he became part of the curse (but only after his FreakOut). He murders his wife (by not only snapping her neck, but leaving her [[AndIMustScream still alive, paralysed and in sheer agony for a period of time]] before he finally kills her with a knife), his child, and his child's cat in a fit of extreme jealousy - mostly looking extremely calm (if detached) while he does so - and then [[spoiler: brutally murders Manami, Kobayashi's wife, in her own home, ''cuts out her unborn child'', sticks it in a plastic sack, phones Kobayashi to inform him of what he's just done, and then proceeds to bash the foetus against railings in the street]]. After his death, his other assorted atrocities have included him [[spoiler:[[MindRape driving Kyoko completely insane]] by forcing her to watch what he did to Manami]], [[spoiler: possessing Tatsuya]], and [[spoiler: murdering Rika (in the novel, he tortures and rapes her instead)]].

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Is the child at the end of the fourth movie Kayako reincarnated, or Kyoko's original offspring possessed by the former while still in the womb?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Is AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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the child at the end of the fourth movie Kayako reincarnated, or Kyoko's original offspring possessed by the former while still in the womb?]]womb?]]
**Is Kayako a sentient being or just an apparition caused by the curse? If the former - does she kill because of a grudge against living that she's dead and they're not, or because she relishes on the fear/suffering of others, or is she merely controlled by the curse?
* AnimalMotifs - Kayako (and her curse) reminds this troper of spiders:
** One of the first scenes in the very first film is a view of a spider with the Saeki house (the roof and the attic to be exact) behind it.
** Kayako's often seen (or heard) in the attic, which is a common place for spiders to live.
** Female spiders are commonly considered more dangerous than males - Kayako is (excluding the two reboots) the most threatening of the ghosts and has the largest body count.
** Females of some species are known to eat their partners - Kayako's first victim (if you don't count Toshio, who might or might not have been killed by his mother) is her crush - Kobayashi, and her second victim is her husband.
** The curse itself has a resemblance to a spider's web - when you enter the house it's only a matter of time before you die at the hands of (most likely) Kayako. No matter how far you escape, the curse is stuck to you just like a spider's web.
** The way Kayako moves, i.e. on all fours, head first and in some cases she appears on the ceiling or from other place improbable or outright impossible for a human being.
** Kayako emerging from a plastic bag (both in the stairway scene and before killing Takeo) reminds of an arthropod molting or leaving a cocoon.
** Victims are often seen unresponsive or even catatonic in the face of immediate danger such as Kayako approaching them - spiders most commonly poison their prey with venom and then eat them unable to move but still alive.



** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: how highly overpowered Toshio was made, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people have to be more worried ''[[{{Narm}} about the meowing eight year old]]''.]]

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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: how highly overpowered Toshio was made, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko Kayako less scary considering people have to be more worried ''[[{{Narm}} about the meowing eight year old]]''.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Takeo, even ''before'' he became part of the curse (but only after his FreakOut). He murders his wife (by not only snapping her neck, but leaving her [[AndIMustScream still alive, paralysed and in sheer agony for a period of time]] before he finally kills her with a knife), his child, and his child's cat in a fit of extreme jealousy - mostly looking extremely calm (if detached) while he does so - and then [[spoiler: brutally murders Manami, Kobayashi's wife, in her own home, ''cuts out her unborn child'', sticks it in a plastic sack, phones Kobayashi to inform him of what he's just done, and then proceeds to bash the foetus against railings in the street]]. After his death, his other assorted atrocities have included him [[spoiler:[[MindRape driving Kyoko completely insane]] by forcing her to watch what he did to Manami]], [[spoiler: possessing Tatsuya]], and [[spoiler: murdering Rika (in the novel, he tortures and rapes her instead)]].
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* BrokenBase: There are some who aren't at all keen on the ContinuityReboot and the changes to Kayako and Takeo's personalities, or ''Film/SadakoVsKayako'', feeling that the latter film turned both this franchise and ''TheRing'' franchise into jokes.

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* BrokenBase: There are some who aren't at all keen on the ContinuityReboot and the changes to Kayako and Takeo's personalities, or ''Film/SadakoVsKayako'', feeling that the latter film turned both this franchise and ''TheRing'' ''Literature/TheRing'' franchise into jokes.
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** Izumi barricading a ''sliding door'' with a chair. Made unintentionally funnier by the fact that her dead classmates bang on the door a few times before they seem to figure it out, then they just nonchalantly open the door, move the chair out of the way and keep coming after her.
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* CryForTheDevil: Poor, poor Kayako.
%%* EpilepticTrees: Oh boy. Where to start?

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* CryForTheDevil: Poor, poor Kayako.
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Kayako. ''Yes'', she's the villain. Yes, she causes harm and suffering to those around her, and yes, she's a vicious onryo..but then you see her back story and all you can do is feel nothing but sympathy and pity for the woman. [[BreakTheCutie It's heartbreaking.]]
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EpilepticTrees: Oh boy. Where to start?start? With how convoluted the plot is with how the curse ''specifically'' works or whether or not [[spoiler: it causes the apocalypse in ''2: The Grudge'']], it makes you wonder more and more if Kayako and her family are much more powerful than imagined.

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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: the mode that was given to Toshio, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people are to be more worried ''[[{{Narm}} about meowing the eight year old]]''.]]

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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: the mode that how highly overpowered Toshio was given to Toshio, made, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people are have to be more worried ''[[{{Narm}} about the meowing the eight year old]]''.]]



* {{Narm}}: Several moments in ''The Curse 2'', [[{{Sequelitis}} which is one of the main reasons why it isn't looked upon as favourably as the other entries in the series]].

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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films tend to be this for some due to the weird fact [[spoiler: ''Toshio'' is made the true villain of the series. That's right: ''The meowing eight year old'' is the true antagonist of the franchise]].

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The soundtrack of every movie, although special mention goes to the third movie's soundtrack.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVIH4M0KUxk These]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWz0Y7lxuwA soundtrack]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PsKMidVmDw previews]] for the first four films are good examples.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The soundtrack of every movie, although special mention goes to the third movie's soundtrack.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVIH4M0KUxk These]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWz0Y7lxuwA soundtrack]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PsKMidVmDw previews]] for the first four films are good examples.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The scene in ''White Ghost'' where Toshio [[FridgeBrilliance meows at a barking dog toy]].


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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The scene in ''White Ghost'' where Toshio [[FridgeBrilliance meows at a barking dog toy]].
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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: the GodModeSue mode that was given to Toshio, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people are to be more worried ''[[{{Narm}} about meowing the eight year old]]''.]]

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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: the GodModeSue mode that was given to Toshio, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people are to be more worried ''[[{{Narm}} about meowing the eight year old]]''.]]
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Ju-On: The Grudge'', released for the Nintendo Wii and was separate from the films' canon, was heavily panned by critics for its [[{{Waggle}} difficult controls]] and [[GuideDangIt confusing gameplay]].

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Ju-On: The Grudge'', released for the Nintendo Wii and was separate from the films' canon, was heavily panned by critics for its [[{{Waggle}} difficult controls]] and controls]], [[GuideDangIt confusing gameplay]].gameplay]], and [[ItsShortSoItSucks relatively short length]]. That said, most gamers are willing to admit that the game itself still manages to be genuinely scary thanks to the atmosphere.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The rebooted films to some fans, largely due to the fact that they're more about Toshio than Kayako and the latter rarely showing up in the film.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Ju-On: The Grudge'', released for the Nintendo Wii and was separate from the films' canon, was heavily panned by critics for its [[{{Waggle}} difficult controls]] and [[GuideDangIt confusing gameplay]].
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The rebooted films to some fans, largely due to the fact that they're more about Toshio than Kayako and the latter rarely showing up in the film.
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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: the GodModeSue mode that was given to Toshio, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people are to be more worried [[{{Narm}} about meowing the eight year old]]''.]]

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** The post-''Grudge 2'' films ''really'' annoyed fans and viewers with [[spoiler: the GodModeSue mode that was given to Toshio, pretty much making the original horrifying thread of Kayoko less scary considering people are to be more worried [[{{Narm}} ''[[{{Narm}} about meowing the eight year old]]''.]]

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