History YMMV / JackRyan

9th Jun '16 10:33:48 PM PaulA
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* CompleteMonster: [[Literature/WithoutRemorse Henry Tucker]] and [[Literature/PatriotGames Sean Miller]].
* DroppedABridgeOnHim: Robby Jackson is said to have become president in his own right and then assassinated by a member of the KKK. This happens between books and is only barely mentioned in passing. Some of the newer books have tried to make this more meaningful by having it be one of the primary motivations for Jack running for president again, but still...



* NightmareFuel: Though Clancy points out in his afterword to ''The Sum of All Fears'' that he specifically changed a lot of details on creating a nuclear bomb, he also points out that the information necessary to do so is public knowledge, and not terribly difficult to acquire.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: In ''Executive Orders'', one of the criticisms Ed Kealty levels at Jack Ryan's administration is Ryan's appointment of old friends to positions of power within the federal government, IE Ed Foley as CIA director, George Winston as Secretary of the Treasury, and Dan Murray as FBI director. Now, from the reader's perspective, we know that Ryan is appointing them because they are highly competent, but from an outsider's position it does look a hell of a lot like nepotism, especially Murray's jump in rank over other, higher ranked assistant directors.
6th Nov '15 4:18:51 PM TinMan
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: In ''Executive Orders'', one of the criticisms Ed Kealty levels at Jack Ryan's administration is Ryan's appointment of old friends to positions of power within the federal government, IE Ed Foley as CIA director, George Winston as Secretary of the Treasury, and Dan Murray as FBI director. Now, from the reader's perspective, we know that Ryan is appointing them because they are highly competent, but from an outsider's position it does look a hell of a lot like nepotism, especially Murray's jump in rank over other, higher ranked assistant directors.
14th Jul '15 3:33:40 PM TinMan
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* JerkassWoobie: J. Robert Fowler isn't a particularly likeable character but it's hard not to feel sorry for him when you take into account what happens to him. First, he loses his beloved wife in a long drawn out battle to multiple sclerosis which drains him of most of his humanity. Next, his election to presidency, an election that both he and Arnie Van Damm thought had been a close battle, turns out to have been engineered by his opponent to coverup an illegal American invasion of Columbia. Two years into his term Fowler and Liz Elliot, his new lover and National Security Adviser, then completely botch the responsive to a nuclear terrorist attack on Denver to the point that they nearly cause World War III. Then, in a fit of rage, he nearly nukes an innocent city before finding out that the terrorists lied to get America to start a war with Islam. Consumed with guilt Fowler resigns from the presidency in disgrace. As if that weren't bad enough, the only hallmark of his presidency, a peace treaty between Israelis and Palestinians, falls apart after he leaves office.

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* JerkassWoobie: J. Robert Fowler isn't a particularly likeable character but it's hard not to feel sorry for him when you take into account what happens to him. First, he loses his beloved wife in a long drawn out battle to multiple sclerosis which drains him of most of his humanity. Next, his election to presidency, an election that both he and Arnie Van Damm thought had been a close battle, turns out to have been engineered by his opponent to coverup an illegal American invasion of Columbia. Two years into his term Fowler and Liz Elliot, his new lover and National Security Adviser, then completely botch the responsive to a nuclear terrorist attack on Denver to the point that they nearly cause World War III. Then, in a fit of rage, he nearly nukes an innocent city before finding out that the terrorists lied to get America to start a war with Islam. Consumed with guilt Fowler resigns from the presidency in disgrace. As if that weren't bad enough, the only hallmark of his presidency, a peace treaty between Israelis and Palestinians, falls apart after he leaves office.
2nd Mar '15 12:19:35 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** ''Literature/WithoutRemorse'' is a revenge fantasy about drug dealers, set during the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. The protagonist, an ex Navy SEAL named John Kelly, runs afoul of a drug ring run by a man named Henry Tucker. Tucker smuggles high-grade heroin into the Baltimore area inside the bodies of American soldiers killed in Vietnam. He distributes the drugs via a stable of prostitutes that he controls using drugs, rape, and torture. When one of his girls escapes and befriends Kelly, he has her kidnapped, then rapes her, tortures her, and mutilates her corpse, forcing the other girls to watch, before dumping it in a public fountain. As Kelly tracks him down while murdering his people, he grows increasingly desperate, going so far as to kill his own associates out of paranoia, then attempts to kill his remaining girls when they prove to be a security risk. In the end, he is shot down like a dog without pity, and even the police admit that Kelly did something that they themselves might have done were they not bound by the law.
** ''Literature/PatriotGames'' gives us Sean Miller, leader of an [[UsefulNotes/TheTroubles Irish terrorist group]]. The book begins with Miller leading an attack on the British Royal family. After being stopped, Miller goes after TheHero and CIA analyst Jack Ryan and his whole family, causing the car with Ryan's daughter Sally and pregnant wife Cathy to crash. With other various acts of terrorism to his name, one incident from Miller sticks out. When in prison, a guard saves him from PrisonRape from other inmates. During his escape, Miller has the guard at his mercy and chooses to shoot him in a way to paralyze him for life, viewing it worse than killing the man and declaring [[UngratefulBastard gratitude is a "disease of dogs,"]] quoting JosefStalin.

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* CompleteMonster:
** ''Literature/WithoutRemorse'' is a revenge fantasy about drug dealers, set during the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. The protagonist, an ex Navy SEAL named John Kelly, runs afoul of a drug ring run by a man named
CompleteMonster: [[Literature/WithoutRemorse Henry Tucker. Tucker smuggles high-grade heroin into the Baltimore area inside the bodies of American soldiers killed in Vietnam. He distributes the drugs via a stable of prostitutes that he controls using drugs, rape, Tucker]] and torture. When one of his girls escapes and befriends Kelly, he has her kidnapped, then rapes her, tortures her, and mutilates her corpse, forcing the other girls to watch, before dumping it in a public fountain. As Kelly tracks him down while murdering his people, he grows increasingly desperate, going so far as to kill his own associates out of paranoia, then attempts to kill his remaining girls when they prove to be a security risk. In the end, he is shot down like a dog without pity, and even the police admit that Kelly did something that they themselves might have done were they not bound by the law.
** ''Literature/PatriotGames'' gives us
[[Literature/PatriotGames Sean Miller, leader of an [[UsefulNotes/TheTroubles Irish terrorist group]]. The book begins with Miller leading an attack on the British Royal family. After being stopped, Miller goes after TheHero and CIA analyst Jack Ryan and his whole family, causing the car with Ryan's daughter Sally and pregnant wife Cathy to crash. With other various acts of terrorism to his name, one incident from Miller sticks out. When in prison, a guard saves him from PrisonRape from other inmates. During his escape, Miller has the guard at his mercy and chooses to shoot him in a way to paralyze him for life, viewing it worse than killing the man and declaring [[UngratefulBastard gratitude is a "disease of dogs,"]] quoting JosefStalin.Miller]].
21st Feb '15 6:52:52 PM TinMan
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* DroppedABridgeOnHim: Robby Jackson is said to have become president in his own right and then assassinated by a member of the KKK. This happens between books and is only barely mentioned in passing. Some of the newer books have tried to make this more meaningful by having it be one of the primary motivations for Jack running for president again, but still...
20th Feb '15 3:16:58 PM TinMan
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* JerkassWoobie: J. Robert Fowler isn't a particularly likeable character but it's hard not to feel sorry for him when you take into account what happens to him. First, he loses his beloved wife in a long drawn out battle to multiple sclerosis which drains him of most of his humanity. Next, his election to presidency, an election that both he and Arnie Van Damm thought had been a close battle, turns out to have been engineered by his opponent to coverup an illegal American invasion of Columbia. Two years into his term Fowler and Liz Elliot, his new lover and National Security Adviser, then completely botch the responsive to a nuclear terrorist attack on Denver to the point that they nearly cause World War III. Then, in a fit of rage, he nearly nukes an innocent city before finding out that the terrorists lied to get America to start a war with Islam. Consumed with guilt Fowler resigns from the presidency in disgrace. As if that weren't bad enough, the only hallmark of his presidency, a peace treaty between Israelis and Palestinians, falls apart after he leaves office.
18th Aug '14 8:28:19 PM randomtroper89
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Several books set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture make use of proposed weapons systems that never went into production, or never existed in the first place.
3rd Aug '14 9:00:12 PM Nohbody
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* HarsherInHindsight: In The opening chapters of ''Command Authority'', a Russian operative says that the Russian President Volodin will order the Russian military to invade Ukraine and annex the Crimean peninsula. The novel was published in December of 2013. Three months later, Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, using similar methodology to the book invasion (imported "protesters" used as a ''causus belli'').

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In The the opening chapters of ''Command Authority'', a Russian operative says that the Russian President Volodin will order the Russian military to invade Ukraine and annex the Crimean peninsula. The novel was published in December of 2013. Three months later, Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, using similar methodology to the book invasion (imported "protesters" used as a ''causus belli'').
28th Jul '14 2:47:08 PM tsstevens
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** A big one here: Clancy was going to write how terrorists hijack planes and fly them into buildings, but his editor rejected it for being too farfetched. Clancy was actually interviewed immediately after the 9/11 attacks where he brought the idea up with one of his general friends. When asked if the idea had ever been considered the general thought and basically said, "No Tom, I don't think it had, but at our next meeting it will be."
14th Jul '14 1:36:03 PM Nohbody
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** David Letterman once joked about this, when revealing the new Tom Clancy novel was titled, "Please, please, please let the Russians be bad again."
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