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7th May '16 9:03:59 PM Fireblood
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The opposing argument to Jim Garrison's conspiracy scenario is laid out nicely by Bill Broussard (played by Creator/MichaelRooker). While yes, Broussard was [[spoiler: secretly working with the FBI against Garrison]], he nonetheless raises an excellent point when he criticizes Garrison's scenario regarding the assassination of President Kennedy - which, according to Garrison, involves the CIA, FBI, anti-Castro Cubans, the Mafia, the Dallas Police, right-wing oil billionaires, and the military-industrial complex to name just a few. Broussard lays out the best argument for lone gunman proponents when he says that such a conspiracy would be impossible to successfully pull off and keep a secret, owing to how complicated such a conspiracy would be and how many people would have to be involved (something real people have also argued). True, Broussard's own theory isn't great either, but his criticism of Garrison unintentionally undermines the film's pro-conspiracy message. Given that Garrison is mostly a mouthpiece for Oliver Stone to voice his own views, and that the person whom Broussard was based upon was claimed by the real Garrison to have undermined his case from day one (and Stone largely believed whatever Garrison said), Broussard is treated as a villain while Garrison is portrayed as in the right, regardless of the nonsensical nature of his entire premise.
18th Apr '16 11:01:08 PM mlsmithca
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* AwesomeMusic: Composed by Music/JohnWilliams, what else would you expect?
** CrowningMusicOfAwesome: "Prologue". ''Try'' listening to it without getting stirred feelings inside.

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* AwesomeMusic: Composed by Music/JohnWilliams, what else would you expect?
** CrowningMusicOfAwesome: "Prologue".
expect? ''Try'' listening to it "Prologue" without getting stirred feelings inside.
18th Apr '16 11:00:11 PM mlsmithca
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* MagnumOpus: Up there as one of Stone's absolute greatest, and his personal favorite of his films.
13th Apr '16 5:10:41 AM MHMhasf1998
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* MagnumOpus: Up there as one of Stone's absolute greatest, and his personal favorite of his films.
8th Feb '16 6:58:19 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: Widely considered to be Creator/OliverStone's best, and his personal favorite of his own.
1st Dec '15 9:31:37 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* MemeticMutation: "Back and to the left."
23rd Oct '15 8:21:28 PM maxwellsilver
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* PossessionSue: In real life, Jim Garrison was a deeply eccentric, volatile individual, popular to some degree but mistrusted by a great deal of New Orleans. He had a raft of incredibly bizarre theories about people he tied to the assassination case (his actual logic for the "Clay Bertrand" alias was that "[homosexuals] change their last names, but not their first names"), and was willing to subject witnesses to hypnosis and "truth serum" in order to get the story he wanted. The Clay Shaw trial was a sham, in which Garrison did everything short of set fire to the Fifth Amendment, and the judge was vocal in his disgust at Garrison's behavior; the jurors only took a half-hour to find Shaw innocent and reported in their statements that they were appalled at the sheer lack of evidence. Even when he saw Claw Shaw acquitted of all charges, Garrison then charged him with ''perjury'' for claiming his innocence during sworn testimony. A federal judge finally quashed the charge as a violation of Shaw's civil rights, for hounding him without just cause. The film postscript also claims CIA Director Richard Helms admitted Shaw was an agent. False-Shaw was admitted to have provided intelligence to the CIA as part of the Domestic Contact Service from things he observed while doing business in Europe. Thousands of businesspeople, diplomats and students did the same. There is no evidence Shaw was ever a paid CIA agent. In the film, the "source" for this was a French communist newspaper well-known to be a propaganda organ for Moscow. The KGB actually spread many of the early conspiracy rumors in an effort to weaken US morale, going so far as to fund authors who propagated them by using agents or front groups (without these authors' knowledge to be sure). The "Clay Shaw CIA Agent" story was just one in a series of false stories they planted.

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* PossessionSue: In real life, Jim Garrison was a deeply eccentric, volatile individual, popular to some degree but mistrusted by a great deal of New Orleans. He had a raft of incredibly bizarre theories about people he tied to the assassination case (his actual logic for the "Clay Bertrand" alias was that "[homosexuals] change their last names, but not their first names"), and was willing to subject witnesses to hypnosis and "truth serum" in order to get the story he wanted. The Clay Shaw trial was a sham, in which Garrison did everything short of set fire to the Fifth Amendment, and the judge was vocal in his disgust at Garrison's behavior; the jurors only took a half-hour to find Shaw innocent and reported in their statements that they were appalled at the sheer lack of evidence. Even when he saw Claw Shaw acquitted of all charges, Garrison then charged him with ''perjury'' for claiming his innocence during sworn testimony. A federal judge finally quashed the charge as a violation of Shaw's civil rights, for hounding him without just cause. The film postscript also claims CIA Director Richard Helms admitted Shaw was an agent. False-Shaw False -- Shaw was admitted to have provided intelligence to the CIA as part of the Domestic Contact Service from things he observed while doing business in Europe. Thousands of businesspeople, diplomats and students did the same. There is no evidence Shaw was ever a paid CIA agent. In the film, the "source" for this was a French communist newspaper well-known to be a propaganda organ for Moscow. The KGB actually spread many of the early conspiracy rumors in an effort to weaken US morale, going so far as to fund authors who propagated them by using agents or front groups (without these authors' knowledge to be sure). The "Clay Shaw CIA Agent" story was just one in a series of false stories they planted.



** Which is nothing compared to the Woobie he was in real life. Incidentally, in real life, he was as staunch a supporter of JFK as you'd ever find in New Orleans (he really did want to be a priest, and was thrilled that a Catholic had been elected president). And his death was from a Berry aneurysm, the culmination of years of poor health-there's no evidence that foul play was involved.

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** Which is nothing compared to the Woobie he was in real life. Incidentally, in real life, he was as staunch a supporter of JFK as you'd ever find in New Orleans (he really did want to be a priest, and was thrilled that a Catholic had been elected president). And his death was from a Berry aneurysm, the culmination of years of poor health-there's health -- there's no evidence that foul play was involved.
23rd Oct '15 8:21:01 PM maxwellsilver
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-->"[[{{Tearjerker}} All I ever wanted in my life was to be a Catholic priest. Live in a church, serve God... I had one]] [[PrecisionFStrike FUCKING]] [[{{Tearjerker}} weakness, and they defrocked me.]]"

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-->"[[{{Tearjerker}} All -->All I ever wanted in my life was to be a Catholic priest. Live in a church, serve God... I had one]] [[PrecisionFStrike FUCKING]] [[{{Tearjerker}} one FUCKING weakness, and they defrocked me.]]"
14th Jun '15 5:04:57 PM nombretomado
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* ProtagonistTitleFallacy: Many people allegedly went to the movie expecting to see Kevin Costner playing JohnFKennedy.

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* ProtagonistTitleFallacy: Many people allegedly went to the movie expecting to see Kevin Costner playing JohnFKennedy.UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy.
19th Apr '15 7:31:55 PM nombretomado
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** Kennedy himself is portrayed as some kind of uber-peacenik who would have prevented TheVietnamWar and (somehow) ended the entire ColdWar in his second term. In fact, Kennedy was a consummate Cold Warrior who got elected on a hawkish platform and actually escalated American involvement in Vietnam. Outside of the film, Stone acknowledges this, but claims that Kennedy had a change of heart during his presidency. Kennedy's actual policies provide no evidence of this change, but it definitely happened!

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** Kennedy himself is portrayed as some kind of uber-peacenik who would have prevented TheVietnamWar and (somehow) ended the entire ColdWar UsefulNotes/ColdWar in his second term. In fact, Kennedy was a consummate Cold Warrior who got elected on a hawkish platform and actually escalated American involvement in Vietnam. Outside of the film, Stone acknowledges this, but claims that Kennedy had a change of heart during his presidency. Kennedy's actual policies provide no evidence of this change, but it definitely happened!
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