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*** [[spoiler: If that is not enough, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee also passed away, being accidentally shot on set during the filming of ''Film/TheCrow''.]]

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*** [[spoiler: If that is not enough, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee also passed away, being accidentally shot on set during the filming of ''Film/TheCrow''.''Film/TheCrow1994''.]]
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* {{Narm}}: Even if he's surely a horrible villain, Geddes can be hard to take seriously due to how over-the-top evil he is, as well as how little sense his whole character makes (he despises kung fu for being an Asian fighting style, yet he claims the superiority of karate, ''another Asian style'', and in one scene he half-tries to hide his racism, only for him to voice it gleefully a moment later). At some point, one might perfectly forget about his characterization and just see him as simply the bad guy Ip Man needs to beat this time.

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* {{Narm}}: Even if he's surely a horrible villain, Geddes can be hard to take seriously due to how over-the-top evil he is, as well as how little sense his whole character makes (he despises kung fu for being an Asian fighting style, yet he claims the superiority of karate, ''another Asian style'', and in one scene he half-tries to hide his racism, only for him to voice it gleefully a moment later). At some point, one might perfectly forget about his characterization and just see him as simply the a buffoonish and comically over-the-top bad guy Ip Man needs to beat this time.



** At the start of the film, Master Wan claims that western people are evil, vicious beasts to illustrate why Lee should not be teaching kung fu to them. This is ostensibly used to show that Asian people can be also racist and unreasonable themselves, which is a laudable point to make in a film approaching those topics. There's a problem with it, though: Wan happens to be more or less right, as there are maybe only a couple important white characters in the cast that are ''not'' racist, petty and brutal to some degree, or at least apathetic to those ordeals. As the matter with Lee is only barely addressed in the film, the viewer might leave the theater with the impression that Wan was actually pretty justified in trying to keep their knowledge away from being potentially used by people like Geddes, the karate fighters, the police, and Becky and her gang.

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** At the start of the film, Master Wan claims that western Western people are evil, vicious beasts to illustrate why Lee should not be teaching kung fu to them. This is ostensibly used to show that Asian people can be also racist and unreasonable themselves, which is a laudable point to make in a film approaching those topics. There's a problem with it, though: Wan happens to be more or less right, as there are maybe only a couple important white characters in the cast that are ''not'' racist, petty and brutal to some degree, or at least apathetic to those ordeals. As the matter with Lee is only barely addressed in the film, the viewer might leave the theater with the impression that Wan was actually pretty justified in trying to keep their knowledge away from being potentially used by people like Geddes, the karate fighters, the police, and Becky and her gang. Towards the end, Ip Man [[spoiler: even acknowledges Wan's points to some ambiguous, open-ended degree even though he stops short of agreeing that Westerners are evil by telling Wan that he came to the conclusion that the grass wasn't always greener on the other side and ultimately decides not to move to the United States with his son]].
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** When the Chinese masters are getting brutalized by the karate coach, Hartman lowers his camera and refuses to record, only raising it when Ip Man shows up and beats the coach. Many viewers are more than happy to say that this is the perfect example to describe the CCP's propaganda about kung fu.

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** When the Chinese masters are getting brutalized by the karate coach, Hartman lowers his camera and refuses to record, only raising it when Ip Man shows up and beats the coach. Many viewers are more than happy to say argue that this is the perfect example to describe of the CCP's propaganda about idealized view of kung fu.fu among its proponents and the Chinese government.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The earthquake. It serves to interrupt Ip' and Wan's duel, but has little effect on them, don't even make them bond over their respective reactions or anything similar, and is never mentioned afterwards. Given that it was a rather small quake, it is not even clear why Ip and Wan cannot continue their duel outside right after instead of leaving it for the festival, making it even less consequential.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The earthquake. It serves to interrupt Ip' and Wan's duel, but has little effect on them, don't doesn't even make them bond over their respective reactions or anything similar, and is never mentioned afterwards. Given that it was a rather small quake, it is not even clear why Ip and Wan cannot continue their duel outside right after instead of leaving it for the festival, making it even less consequential.



* MoralEventHorizon: Barton Geddes crosses it [[spoiler:when he decides to brutalize Wan by breaking his arm and shattering his knee even though at this point he already won the match only doing it just to prove a point about 'superior' martial arts. He then makes his marines clap for his display of brutality against the old grandmaster.]]
* {{Narm}}: Even if he's surely a horrible villain, Geddes can be hard to take seriously due to how over-the-top evil he is, as well as how little sense his racism makes (he despises kung fu for being an Asian fighting style, yet he claims the superiority of karate, ''another Asian style'', and in one scene he half-tries to hide his racism, only for him to voice it gleefully a moment later). At some point, one might perfectly forget about his characterization and just see him as simply the bad guy Ip Man needs to beat this time.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Barton Geddes crosses it [[spoiler:when he decides to brutalize Wan by breaking his arm and shattering his knee even though at this point he already won the match only doing it just to prove a point about 'superior' "superior" martial arts. He then makes his marines clap for his display of brutality against the old grandmaster.]]
* {{Narm}}: Even if he's surely a horrible villain, Geddes can be hard to take seriously due to how over-the-top evil he is, as well as how little sense his racism whole character makes (he despises kung fu for being an Asian fighting style, yet he claims the superiority of karate, ''another Asian style'', and in one scene he half-tries to hide his racism, only for him to voice it gleefully a moment later). At some point, one might perfectly forget about his characterization and just see him as simply the bad guy Ip Man needs to beat this time.



*** [[spoiler: If that is not enough, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee also passed away, being accidentally shot on set during the filming of Film/TheCrow.]]

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*** [[spoiler: If that is not enough, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee also passed away, being accidentally shot on set during the filming of Film/TheCrow.''Film/TheCrow''.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: This would not be the last time [[Film/JohnWickChapter4 Donnie Yen has to deal with Scott Adkins as an antagonist]].



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The film's official poster represents a wise, traditionally-dressed Chinese man facing the modern United States army. Given that this franchise's version of Ip Man is already heavily tweaked to make the character more patriotic and sympathetic to the modern day Chinese Communist Party, it's hard to be more explicit.

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The film's official poster represents a wise, traditionally-dressed Chinese man facing the modern United States army. Given that this franchise's version of Ip Man is already heavily tweaked to make the character more patriotic and sympathetic to the modern day Chinese Communist Party, it's hard to be more explicit.explicit.
** When the Chinese masters are getting brutalized by the karate coach, Hartman lowers his camera and refuses to record, only raising it when Ip Man shows up and beats the coach. Many viewers are more than happy to say that this is the perfect example to describe the CCP's propaganda about kung fu.
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**** [[spoiler: If that is not enough, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee also passed away, being accidentally shot on set during the filming of Film/TheCrow.]]
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** Colin Frater and Barton Geddes call Chinese kung fu as a whole "useless" and we are supposed side against them. However, with the exception of Ip Man, Bruce Lee and Master Wan, every other master in the film gets defeated by a US Marine karate coach during the festival in a few hits, with a Staff Sergeant repeating the same result soon after, effectively proving their point. In defense of the masters, a lot of the fights were determined by the karate fighters superior physicality, not in a pure skill-for-skill battle, but given that the only kung fu master that manages to hold their own [[WaifFu is a woman]], it's clear the movie doesn't run on those parameters.

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** Colin Frater and Barton Geddes call Chinese kung fu as a whole "useless" and we are supposed to side against them. However, with the exception of Ip Man, Bruce Lee and Master Wan, every other master in the film gets defeated by a US Marine karate coach during the festival in a few hits, with a Staff Sergeant repeating the same result soon after, effectively proving their point. In defense of the masters, a lot of the fights were determined by the karate fighters fighter's superior physicality, not in a pure skill-for-skill battle, but given that the only kung fu master that manages to hold their own [[WaifFu is a woman]], it's clear the movie doesn't run on those parameters.
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** Colin Frater and Barton Geddes call Chinese kung fu as a whole "useless" and we are supposed side against them. However, with the exception of Ip Man, Bruce Lee and Master Wan, every other master in the film get defeated by a US Marine karate coach during the festival in a few hits, with a Staff Sergeant repeating the same result soon after, effectively proving their point (though in defense of the masters, a lot of the fights were determined by the karate fighters superior physicality, not in a pure skill-for-skill battle).

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** Colin Frater and Barton Geddes call Chinese kung fu as a whole "useless" and we are supposed side against them. However, with the exception of Ip Man, Bruce Lee and Master Wan, every other master in the film get gets defeated by a US Marine karate coach during the festival in a few hits, with a Staff Sergeant repeating the same result soon after, effectively proving their point (though in point. In defense of the masters, a lot of the fights were determined by the karate fighters superior physicality, not in a pure skill-for-skill battle).battle, but given that the only kung fu master that manages to hold their own [[WaifFu is a woman]], it's clear the movie doesn't run on those parameters.
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** Becky may be a vengeful, racist bully, but the argument she gives to their cheerleading coach - that Yonah broke away completely from the team's mandated pattern, thus making it rather inappropriate that she is given a thumbs up - is technically right.
** Colin Frater and Barton Geddes call Chinese kung fu as a whole "useless" and we are supposed side against them. With the exception of Ip Man, Bruce Lee and Master Wan, every other master got defeated by a ''US Marine karate coach during the festival in a few hits with a Staff Sergeant repeating the same result soon after'', effectively proving their point (though in defence of the masters, a lot of the fights were determined by the Karate fighters superior physicality, not in a pure skill-for-skill battle).

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** Becky may be a vengeful, racist bully, but the argument she gives to their cheerleading coach - that Yonah broke away completely away from the team's mandated pattern, thus making it rather inappropriate that she is given a thumbs up - is technically right.
right, and is never disputed.
** Colin Frater and Barton Geddes call Chinese kung fu as a whole "useless" and we are supposed side against them. With However, with the exception of Ip Man, Bruce Lee and Master Wan, every other master got in the film get defeated by a ''US US Marine karate coach during the festival in a few hits hits, with a Staff Sergeant repeating the same result soon after'', after, effectively proving their point (though in defence defense of the masters, a lot of the fights were determined by the Karate karate fighters superior physicality, not in a pure skill-for-skill battle).



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The film's official poster represents a wise, traditionally-dressed Chinese man facing the modern United States army. Given that this franchise's version of Ip Man is already heavily tweaked to make the character more patriotic and sympathetic to the Chinese Communist Party, it's hard to be more explicit.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The film's official poster represents a wise, traditionally-dressed Chinese man facing the modern United States army. Given that this franchise's version of Ip Man is already heavily tweaked to make the character more patriotic and sympathetic to the modern day Chinese Communist Party, it's hard to be more explicit.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Geddes demands a no rules match against Ip Man, meaning attacks to the eyes and groin are completely allowed.\\
'''You Expect''': For him to follow his own rules and use such attacks. He definitely had no issue using them against Master Wan earlier.\\
'''Instead''': He never uses them, even though Ip Man himself is doing it in plenty.\\
'''Even Worse''': He also leaves Ip Man recovering on the ground and taunt him, instead of keeping his assault like he did to Wan.\\
'''The Result''': This comes back to bite him in his rear moments after, as these factors leads to his humiliating defeat.

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