History YMMV / InheritanceCycle

30th Jan '18 1:26:25 AM RowboatGorillaman
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** What also seems forgotten is that the Empire ''is'' happy... ''because'' Galbatorix is spending all his time on his secret projects, ie the ones that would allow him full and uncontested control of all magicians; the few times he turned his full attention onto the Empire in that time, they were extremely bloody times, matched only by the war. Yet even if the Varden hadn't waged war, this would have continued until eventually he succeeded, and then considering his tendencies with consolidating power and those who defy him- said 'golden age' would have likely degenerated into something much worse, particularly once you look past the outward appearances. At least the Varden is dedicated to true peace and freedom, as well as fostering relations with the other races, rather than pure control.
** However, once Galbatorix believed that the strength of his dragons exceed the strength of the elves, he intended to leave the Empire and conquer the elves. Of course, the resulting war would require conscription, absurd taxes, requisition of supplies of civilian sources... taking away everything he claimed to have given the citizens of the Empire.
** Oh, and he allowed the slave trade to resume after the Riders abolished it.
4th Nov '17 7:24:15 PM Stevebob
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: ** Sloan was trapped in a village surrounded by the Empire's soldiers and human-eating monsters, who wanted to punish him and the rest of the village for the actions of a kid who wasn't there anymore and who Sloan didn't even like. Sloan then surrendered to the Empire to keep his daughter safe... and the Ra'zac pecked out his eyes, threw him into the dungeons of their evil lair and forgot about him, and trapped his daughter nearby. Then Eragon came by, and added insult to injury by cursing Sloan to never see his daughter again, even putting a geas on Sloan to force him to walk halfway across the continent to go and meditate with some arrogant elves until he "reformed". Harsh punishment for a man whose biggest crimes seem to be not liking the hero and wanting to protect his daughter... though admittedly in said surrendering, he sold out the entire village of Carvahall to do so, people he's lived with for years, and is implied to have murdered a sentry.

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** Sloan was trapped in a village surrounded by the Empire's soldiers and human-eating monsters, who wanted to punish him and the rest of the village for the actions of a kid who wasn't there anymore and who Sloan didn't even like. Sloan then surrendered to the Empire to keep his daughter safe... and the Ra'zac pecked out his eyes, threw him into the dungeons of their evil lair and forgot about him, and trapped his daughter nearby. Then Eragon came by, and added insult to injury by cursing Sloan to never see his daughter again, even putting a geas on Sloan to force him to walk halfway across the continent to go and meditate with some arrogant elves until he "reformed". Harsh punishment for a man whose biggest crimes seem to be not liking the hero and wanting to protect his daughter... though admittedly in said surrendering, he sold out the entire village of Carvahall to do so, people he's lived with for years, and is implied to have murdered a sentry.
4th Nov '17 7:22:25 PM Stevebob
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sloan was trapped in a village surrounded by the Empire's soldiers and human-eating monsters, who wanted to punish him and the rest of the village for the actions of a kid who wasn't there anymore and who Sloan didn't even like. Sloan then surrendered to the Empire to keep his daughter safe... and the Ra'zac pecked out his eyes, threw him into the dungeons of their evil lair and forgot about him, and trapped his daughter nearby. Then Eragon came by, and added insult to injury by cursing Sloan to never see his daughter again, even putting a geas on Sloan to force him to walk halfway across the continent to go and meditate with some arrogant elves until he "reformed". Harsh punishment for a man whose biggest crimes seem to be not liking the hero and wanting to protect his daughter... though admittedly in said surrendering, he sold out the entire village of Carvahall to do so, people he's lived with for years, and is implied to have murdered a sentry.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: ** Sloan was trapped in a village surrounded by the Empire's soldiers and human-eating monsters, who wanted to punish him and the rest of the village for the actions of a kid who wasn't there anymore and who Sloan didn't even like. Sloan then surrendered to the Empire to keep his daughter safe... and the Ra'zac pecked out his eyes, threw him into the dungeons of their evil lair and forgot about him, and trapped his daughter nearby. Then Eragon came by, and added insult to injury by cursing Sloan to never see his daughter again, even putting a geas on Sloan to force him to walk halfway across the continent to go and meditate with some arrogant elves until he "reformed". Harsh punishment for a man whose biggest crimes seem to be not liking the hero and wanting to protect his daughter... though admittedly in said surrendering, he sold out the entire village of Carvahall to do so, people he's lived with for years, and is implied to have murdered a sentry.sentry.
** Murtagh. Good ''grief''. We're apparently supposed to see him as a traitor and a villain when he becomes TheDragon to Galbatorix...except he isn't working for Galbatorix willingly. He was kidnapped, [[MindRape Mind Raped]] and mentally enslaved by Galbatorix and has no choice but to serve him. He hates the guy and actively tries to use loopholes in Galbatorix's orders to spare Eragon, also going out of his way to help Nasuada at the risk of severe punishment when she's captured, even if all he can do is heal her injuries and offer her comfort. Not to mention it's implied he loves her or at least has feelings for her, and is forced to watch her being tortured or even made to torture her himself. Though it's implied he does occasionally get some pleasure out of using his powers to hurt people, the Varden aren't exactly saints either and it could just be him making the best out of a horrific situation. No one ever really tries to rescue him or help him break free of Galbatorix. In fact, even before that he was vilified and mistrusted by the Varden simply for a) being Morzan's son (who abused him right up to his death) b) refusing to let them MindRape him and c) disagreeing with their methods. Even though he helped rescue one of their top agents and delivered Eragon and Saphira to them. They'd already pretty much written him off by the events of ''Eldest''; even Eragon, who's meant to be his friend and who's life Murtagh had saved numerous times in the first book. And after helping to defeat Galbatorix (in fact, he's vital to the plan working) and breaking free from his control, Murtagh is basically an outcast, who leaves to wander the land with Thorn to deal with his trauma alone, because everyone else views him as a war criminal and a monster, rather than a victim who did what he had to survive until he was in a position to help them again. Nasuada herself states she "understands but cannot forgive" Murtagh. For, y'know, daring to get kidnapped and enslaved, but still try to help her. As a result, a good many readers (both fans and antis) view Murtagh as being 'the real hero of the Cycle'.
4th Nov '17 6:58:04 PM Stevebob
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* ClicheStorm: One of its most common criticisms.

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* ClicheStorm: One of its most common criticisms. The first book in particular is often derided for being very predictable and derivative, such as the main protagonist being a farm boy-turned-hero who is secretly TheChosenOne and has mysterious parents, the villain being a one-dimensional, bog-standard take-over-the-world guy with thiny etched motivation, the hero having a wise OldMaster for a mentor [[spoiler: who [[SacrificialLion dies saving the hero]] about halfway through]], the hero turning out to be [[spoiler: the son of one of the villains and the brother of another]] and features stock fantasy races such as elves, dwarves and orcs...I mean, ''urgals'', which are pretty much ripped straight off Tolkien. Critics have also pointed that the plot of ''Eragon'' is so similar to the plot of the first ''Star Wars'' movie, it's practically ''A New Hope'' recycled in Middle-Earth. The cliches do actually die down more in the sequels, though, with the characters and whatnot becoming more fleshed out.



** ''Especially'' Murtagh. A lot of readers have criticised the fact everyone treats him as an evil traitor, despite the fact he wants nothing to do with Galbatorix and has been kidnapped and {{Mind Rape}}d into serving him, meaning he had no choice in the matter and is actually arguably a ''victim''.

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** ''Especially'' Murtagh.Murtagh in particular is seen as a DesignatedVillain from ''Eldest'' onwards. A lot of readers have criticised the fact everyone treats him as an evil traitor, despite the fact he wants nothing to do with Galbatorix and has been kidnapped and {{Mind Rape}}d into serving him, meaning he had no choice in the matter and is actually arguably a ''victim''.
30th Aug '17 11:51:17 AM rufusluciusivan
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sloan was trapped in a village surrounded by the Empire's soldiers and human-eating monsters, who wanted to punish him and the rest of the village for the actions of a kid who wasn't there anymore and who Sloan didn't even like. Sloan then surrendered to the Empire to keep his daughter safe... and the Ra'zac pecked out his eyes, threw him into the dungeons of their evil lair and forgot about him, and trapped his daughter nearby. Then Eragon came by, and added insult to injury by cursing Sloan to never see his daughter again, even putting a geas on Sloan to force him to walk halfway across the continent to go and meditate with some arrogant elves until he "reformed". Harsh punishment for a man whose biggest crimes seem to be not liking the hero and wanting to protect his daughter... though admittedly in said surrendering, he sold out the entire village of Carvahall to do so, [[SarcasmMode people he's lived with for years.]]

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sloan was trapped in a village surrounded by the Empire's soldiers and human-eating monsters, who wanted to punish him and the rest of the village for the actions of a kid who wasn't there anymore and who Sloan didn't even like. Sloan then surrendered to the Empire to keep his daughter safe... and the Ra'zac pecked out his eyes, threw him into the dungeons of their evil lair and forgot about him, and trapped his daughter nearby. Then Eragon came by, and added insult to injury by cursing Sloan to never see his daughter again, even putting a geas on Sloan to force him to walk halfway across the continent to go and meditate with some arrogant elves until he "reformed". Harsh punishment for a man whose biggest crimes seem to be not liking the hero and wanting to protect his daughter... though admittedly in said surrendering, he sold out the entire village of Carvahall to do so, [[SarcasmMode people he's lived with for years.]]years, and is implied to have murdered a sentry.
20th Aug '17 6:02:37 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: It's like the plot elements of ''Franchise/StarWars'' coupled with the atmosphere of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''!
30th Jul '17 11:57:17 AM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: It's like the plot elements of ''Franchise/StarWars'' coupled with the atmosphere of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''!
17th Jul '17 11:41:40 AM Angeldeb82
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Anti-fans of the series love to find [[RonTheDeathEater new interpretations that subvert the good/evil conflict.]] So far, sites such as anti-shurtugal.com have concluded that Eragon is a sociopath, [[LaResistance the Varden]] are [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeVilified terrorists]] and the original Dragon Riders were a racist military junta.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Anti-fans of the series love to find [[RonTheDeathEater new interpretations that subvert the good/evil conflict.]] conflict]]. So far, sites such as anti-shurtugal.com have concluded that Eragon is a sociopath, [[LaResistance the Varden]] are [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeVilified terrorists]] {{t|heRevolutionWillNotBeVilified}}errorists and the original Dragon Riders were a racist military junta.



** ''Especially'' Murtagh. A lot of readers have criticised the fact everyone treats him as an evil traitor, despite the fact he wants nothing to do with Galbatorix and has been kidnapped and [[MindRape Mind Raped]] into serving him, meaning he had no choice in the matter and is actually arguably a ''victim''.

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** ''Especially'' Murtagh. A lot of readers have criticised the fact everyone treats him as an evil traitor, despite the fact he wants nothing to do with Galbatorix and has been kidnapped and [[MindRape Mind Raped]] {{Mind Rape}}d into serving him, meaning he had no choice in the matter and is actually arguably a ''victim''.



** Roran holds this position, too, largely due to many people finding his parts in Book 2 to be more enjoyable then Eragon's parts. The fact that his BadassNormal status was ramped UpToEleven to in-universe MemeticBadass levels certainly helps.

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** Roran holds this position, too, largely due to many people finding his parts in Book 2 to be more enjoyable then than Eragon's parts. The fact that his BadassNormal status was ramped UpToEleven to in-universe MemeticBadass levels certainly helps.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Murtagh is a badass AntiHero who calls out Eragon on his more WhatTheHellHero moments, is good-looking and pragmatic, and comes complete with a {{Woobie}} backstory and discrimination from the anti-Empire forces who think he's just another stooge for the BigBad like his father. Even after his FaceHeelTurn many readers still preferred him to Eragon.
* FanPreferredCouple: Nasuada with Murtagh, since she seems to like him. Seeing as ''Inheritance'' deals with their [[UnresolvedSexualTension relationship]] directly, don't be surprised if it becomes even more [[FanPreferredCouple Fan Preferred]].
* GaryStu / MarySue: Eragon is sometimes accused of being this by some readers, and to a lesser extent, Arya as well.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Murtagh is a badass AntiHero who calls out Eragon on his more WhatTheHellHero moments, is good-looking and pragmatic, and comes complete with a {{Woobie}} [[TheWoobie Woobie]] backstory and discrimination from the anti-Empire forces who think he's just another stooge for the BigBad like his father. Even after his FaceHeelTurn many readers still preferred him to Eragon.
* FanPreferredCouple: Nasuada with Murtagh, since she seems to like him. Seeing as ''Inheritance'' deals with their [[UnresolvedSexualTension relationship]] directly, don't be surprised if it becomes even more [[FanPreferredCouple Fan Preferred]].
* GaryStu / MarySue: Eragon is sometimes accused of being this by some readers, and to a lesser extent, Arya as well.
Fan-Preferred]].



** King Orrin - after years of busting a gut for the Varden (in ''Eragon'' Orik flat out says: "The Varden couldn't exist without Orrin,"), living in terror that Galbatorix is going to roll over and crush his kingdom and enslave his people, and sheltering the Varden's noncombatants, he is completely supplanted in LaResistance by Nasuada, insulted by Roran and seems destined to spend the post-war period as a "second-fiddle" nation to the Empire. No wonder he [[spoiler: takes to the drink.]]

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** King Orrin - after years of busting a gut for the Varden (in ''Eragon'' Orik flat out says: "The Varden couldn't exist without Orrin,"), living in terror that Galbatorix is going to roll over and crush his kingdom and enslave his people, and sheltering the Varden's noncombatants, he is completely supplanted in LaResistance by Nasuada, insulted by Roran and seems destined to spend the post-war period as a "second-fiddle" nation to the Empire. No wonder he [[spoiler: takes to the drink.]]drink]].
10th Jun '17 6:28:07 PM Stevebob
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** ''Especially'' Murtagh. A lot of readers have criticised the fact everyone treats him as an evil traitor, despite the fact he wants nothing to do with Galbatorix and has been kidnapped and [[MindRape Mind Raped]] into serving him, meaning he had no choice in the matter and is actually arguably a ''victim''.



** Galbatorix: Evil tyrant, but to some, a DracoInLeatherPants.

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** Galbatorix: Evil tyrant, but to some, a DracoInLeatherPants.DracoInLeatherPants, trying to run his kingdom in the face of constant terrorist attacks.



%% * BaseBreakingCharacter: Nasuada, following her decision to have Roran whipped for insubordination in ''Brisingr'' - by her own admission, his deeds are to be praised, and yet precedent/tradition give her little choice, and to break with this could have larger consequences. The question is: is this justified, or not?

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%% * BaseBreakingCharacter: Nasuada, following her decision to have Roran whipped for insubordination in ''Brisingr'' - by her own admission, his deeds are to be praised, and yet precedent/tradition give her little choice, and to break with this could have larger consequences. The question is: is this justified, or not?


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* GaryStu / MarySue: Eragon is sometimes accused of being this by some readers, and to a lesser extent, Arya as well.
27th May '17 8:29:44 PM Dragoon321
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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Poor Shruikan has been forcibly enslaved so long that he's gone stark raving mad. When Elva gets a look at him the only thing she can come up with to help him is to MercyKill him. By the time of the story he's little more then a being of insane rage and would burn all creation to ash purely out of spite if he could.
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