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* FandomRivalry: The fandom for this movie has developed one with that of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', since ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies'' is set for a theatrical release little over one month after this movie.
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* FandomRivalry: The fandom for this movie has developed one with that of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', since ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies'' is set for which was theatrically released a theatrical release little over one month after this movie.
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* TransAudienceInterpretation: Voyd is often imagined as a trans woman by fans due to her more [[MasculineLinesFeminineCurves masculine design]].
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Fixing years and ages.
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* {{Narm}}: Despite being released 15 years later, the film picks up immediately where the first one ended. This gets very noticeable with the voice actors (mainly Bob and Helen themselves) who sound distinctly older. Craig T. Nelson especially was ''past 70'' when voicing Bob this time around, and it can get pretty distracting to hear his voice come out of the 40-something character. Oddly enough, Samuel L. Jackson was pushing 70 himself and still managed to avert this for Lucius, his voice sounding more or less the same as it did 15 years ago.
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* {{Narm}}: Despite being released 15 14 years later, the film picks up immediately where the first one ended. This gets very noticeable with the voice actors (mainly Bob and Helen themselves) who sound distinctly older. Craig T. Nelson especially was ''past 70'' when voicing Bob this time around, and it can get pretty distracting to hear his voice come out of the 40-something 40-year old character. Oddly enough, Samuel L. Jackson was pushing 70 himself and still managed to avert this for Lucius, his voice sounding more or less the same as it did 15 14 years ago.
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* {{Narm}}: Despite being released 15 years later, the film picks up immediately where the first one ended. This gets very noticeable with the voice actors (mainly Bob and Helen themselves) who sound distinctly older. Craig T. Nelson especially was ''past 70'' when voicing Bob this time around, and it can get pretty distracting to hear his voice come out of the 40-something character. Oddly enough, Samuel L. Jackson was pushing 70 himself and still managed to avert this for Lucius, his voice sounding more or less the same as it did 15 years ago.
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Not only is Evelyn Deavor too divisive a character, she doesn't even qualify as an Ensemble Darkhorse given that she's a major character (the Big Bad) in the movie.
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** And then we have the real man (or woman) behind the man herself in [[spoiler: Evelyn Deavor]] whom, despite being seen as a highly intelligent but inferior villain than the incredibly popular Syndrome, has surely built up a decent amount of fan love over time years after the release of the sequel (though it's unclear of she'll ever be as popular as Syndrome). It helps that many people tend to find her quite attractive thanks to her EvilIsSexy look with her spandex suit and tend to ship her with Elastigirl. With many hoping she becomes a recurring antagonist (albeit one that has more development and better supervillain plots) in a third film.
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly
covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly
mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
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* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach—which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax, on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]—and would’ve made perfect sense given the SequelGap However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be polarizing]] in their own right)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach—which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax, on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]—and would’ve made perfect sense given the fourteen year SequelGap between the first film and the sequel. However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be polarizing]] in their own right)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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Moving new section and turning it into a Broken Base entry, since it fits that trope better.
* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach—which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax, on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]—and would’ve made perfect sense given the SequelGap However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be polarizing]] in their own right)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly mostly
covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel (albeit a highly controversial one), which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (which was scrapped by both Disney/Pixar and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is highly against aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. Helping out their favor that the TimeSkip idea was already a highly popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. However the fan ideas became so controversial within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel (albeit a highly controversial [[BrokenBase controversial]] one), which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (which was scrapped by both Disney/Pixar and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is highly against aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. Helping out their favor that the TimeSkip idea was already a highly popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. However the fan ideas became so controversial within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel (albeit a highly controversial one), which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (which was scrapped by both Disney/Pixar and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is highly against aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. Helping out their favor that the TimeSkip idea was already a highly popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. Thecfan ideas became so controversial within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled, which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel (albeit a highly controversial one), which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (which was scrapped by both Disney/Pixar and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is highly against aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. Helping out their favor that the TimeSkip idea was already a highly popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. Thecfan However the fan ideas became so controversial within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled, handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. Though it quite a controversial subject within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled, which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied.[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, sequel (albeit a highly controversial one), which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and (which was scrapped by both Disney Disney/Pixar and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of highly against aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps Helping out their favor that the TimeSkip idea was already a highly popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. Though it quite a Thecfan ideas became so controversial subject within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled, which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied.copied. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides. [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans. Though there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkip tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled (at least %75 of animated sequel films that uses the DistantSequel idea, tend to get poorly reviewed by fans) which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied.[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans. fans and was even being hyped up by the media during the sequel's development. Though it quite a controversial subject within the Incredibles fandom as there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up such beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise, franchise as they believe that OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, as some agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have completely lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise) franchise which would have hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long TimeSkip DistantSequel gaps tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled (at least %75 of animated sequel films that uses the DistantSequel idea, tend to get poorly reviewed by fans) handled, which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied.[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise, as some had felt the franchise would have lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkip tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled (at least %75 of animated sequel films that uses the DistantSequel idea, tend to get poorly reviewed by fans) which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), scratch [[note]]seeing as the Parr Family's models from the first film were already being updated and recreated with the new Renderman technology and would have been seen as a huge waste just for a prologue scene[[/note]]), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though fans. Though there are those within the fandom that are actually against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's visions and plans for the franchise, as some had felt agree with Bird's opinions that the franchise would have lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise) and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as, helping out their side is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkip tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled (at least %75 of animated sequel films that uses the DistantSequel idea, tend to get poorly reviewed by fans) which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor)[[/note]], BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to get polarized)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied).copied.[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's vision and plans for the franchise, as some had felt the franchise would lose all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as (also helping their case out is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkip tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which tends to hurt the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor), and that it would have again copied another element from the first film).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly actually against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's vision visions and plans for the franchise, as some had felt the franchise would lose have lost all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as (also as, helping out their side is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already in place [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkip tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled (at least %75 of animated sequel films that uses the DistantSequel idea, tend to get poorly reviewed by fans) which tends to hurt actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor), BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film).film that didn't need to be copied).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Dash was ultimately hit very ''hard'' with this in the sequel if not more worse than what his dad got. In the first film alone he had by far the ''highest body count'' [[note]]though a good chunk of those deaths were merely incidental on Dash's part[[/note]] and was shown to be fast enough to run on water and push Violet's Force Field around like a hamster ball. But in the 2nd movie, Dash was heavily OutOfFocus and he barely got a chance to show off his increased speed in the 3-month TimeSkip (unlike Violet who was shown to have TakenALevelInBadass with her powers during that same time), he was made even more useless once the 2nd film's climax hits (as being onboard the ''Everjust'' severely hampered his space to run around in which hurts him further) and he was made to watch Jack-Jack which he horridly fails at and he even gets kidnapped by the Screenslaved Screech, in which he had to be saved by Violet wielding Jack-Jack.
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** Dash was ultimately hit very ''hard'' with this in the sequel if not more worse than what his dad got. In the first film alone he had by far the ''highest body count'' [[note]]though a good chunk of those deaths were merely incidental on Dash's part[[/note]] and was shown to be fast enough to run on water and push Violet's Force Field around like a hamster ball. But in the 2nd movie, Dash was heavily OutOfFocus and he barely got doesn't get a chance at all to show off his increased speed in the 3-month TimeSkip (unlike Violet who was shown to have TakenALevelInBadass with her powers during that same time), he was made even more useless once the 2nd film's climax hits (as being onboard the ''Everjust'' severely hampered his space to run around in which hurts him further) and he was made to watch Jack-Jack which he horridly fails at and he even gets kidnapped by the Screenslaved Screech, in which he had has to be saved by Violet wielding Jack-Jack.
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's vision for the franchise, as some had felt the franchise would lose it's timeless charm with an older Parr Family and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as (also helping their case is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkips tend to be quite polarizing upon release), and that it would have again copied another element from the first film).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's other idea for the sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly against the very idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's vision and plans for the franchise, as some had felt the franchise would lose all of it's timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as (also helping their case out is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkips TimeSkip tend to be quite polarizing upon release), release depending on how the aging process is handled which tends to hurt the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor), and that it would have again copied another element from the first film).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly against the very idea, as some had felt the franchise would lose it's charm with an older Parr family, and that it would have again copied the first film's plot).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus on Helen as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original other idea of for the film, sequel, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps that Bird himself is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age)[[/note]] age, except for What-if scenarios)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly against the very idea, idea of aging up beloved characters and likewise accepts Bird's vision for the franchise, as some had felt the franchise would lose it's timeless charm with an older Parr family, Family and that more stories can come from the Family as they are currently known as (also helping their case is that most sequels that involve long TimeSkips tend to be quite polarizing upon release), and that it would have again copied another element from the first film's plot).film).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up. up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out, out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps as Bird is not a fan of aging up established characters in general)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are against the very idea, as some had felt the franchise would lose it's charm with an older Parr family).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus on Helen as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out, Bird would have gone with the aging up plot.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps as that Bird is not a big fan of aging up established characters in general)[[/note]] general, thanks to being involved with production on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' which also has the same scenario of not allowing the signature family to age)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans (though there are those within the fandom that are highly against the very idea, as some had felt the franchise would lose it's charm with an older Parr family).family, and that it would have again copied the first film's plot).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus on Helen as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out, Bird would have gone with the aging up plot.the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans.
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** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by both Disney and Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film [[note]](it also helps as Bird is not a fan of aging up established characters in general)[[/note]] and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans.fans (though there are those within the fandom that are against the very idea, as some had felt the franchise would lose it's charm with an older Parr family).[[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus on Helen as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out, Bird would have gone with the aging up plot.[[/note]]
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* JerkassWoobie: Due to her motivations involving the pain caused by her parents' deaths, and humanizing qualities such as sincerely loving her brother, Evelyn comes across more sympathetically despite her actions.
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* JerkassWoobie: Due to her genuinely tragic motivations involving the [[spoiler:the pain caused by her parents' deaths, and humanizing qualities such as sincerely loving her brother, Evelyn brother]], the Screenslaver comes across more sympathetically despite her their actions.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Evelyn truly crosses it when she's revealed to be able to mind control supers and force them to commit acts of villainy, the very thing they stand against. It is especially notable is when she forced Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl to attack their own children.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Evelyn The Screenslaver a.k.a. [[spoiler:Evelyn truly crosses it when she's revealed to be able to mind control supers and force them to commit acts of villainy, the very thing they stand against. It is especially notable is when she forced forces Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl to attack their own children.]]
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though Evelyn has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though Evelyn [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
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* BadassDecay: A number of fans felt that Mr. Incredible was hit ''hard'' by this in contrast to the first movie. While previously he was a flawed but formidable character who was willing to [[BewareTheNiceOnes throw his obnoxious boss through four concrete walls or snap Mirage in half because he (incorrectly) thought it would give him leverage against Syndrome]], in this film he doesn't get as many opportunities to use his powers -- losing a hand-to-hand fight against the Underminer of all people (though he does gain a little bit of redemption with wins over the Screenslaved Krushauer and Brick, but needed Elastigirl's help with the latter to defeat her and he does plays a critical role with redirecting the ''Everjust'') -- and spending most of the movie as, well, basically an average suburban dad (though a far better version of the typical suburban dad).
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** A number of fans felt that Mr. Incredible was hit ''hard'' by this in contrast to the first movie. While previously he was a flawed but formidable character who was willing to [[BewareTheNiceOnes throw his obnoxious boss through four concrete walls or snap Mirage in half because he (incorrectly) thought it would give him leverage against Syndrome]], in this film he doesn't get as many opportunities to use his powers -- losing a hand-to-hand fight against the Underminer of all people (though he does gain a little bit of redemption with wins over the Screenslaved Krushauer and Brick, but needed Elastigirl's help with the latter to defeat her and he does plays a critical role with redirecting the ''Everjust'') -- and spending most of the movie as, well, basically an average suburban dad (though a far better version of the typical suburban dad).
** A number of fans felt that Mr. Incredible was hit ''hard'' by this in contrast to the first movie. While previously he was a flawed but formidable character who was willing to [[BewareTheNiceOnes throw his obnoxious boss through four concrete walls or snap Mirage in half because he (incorrectly) thought it would give him leverage against Syndrome]], in this film he doesn't get as many opportunities to use his powers -- losing a hand-to-hand fight against the Underminer of all people (though he does gain a little bit of redemption with wins over the Screenslaved Krushauer and Brick, but needed Elastigirl's help with the latter to defeat her and he does plays a critical role with redirecting the ''Everjust'') -- and spending most of the movie as, well, basically an average suburban dad (though a far better version of the typical suburban dad).
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* FanPreferredCutContent: After 14 years, many fans were longing to finally see Lucius' wife Honey in person, only for her to still be an offscreen character in the final film. Especially disappointing since [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/b/bd/Honey_Best.png/revision/latest?cb=20201221184723 she was actually shown in a concept sketch]] as well as in a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9AelHh5zwg mocked-up deleted scene]] where Brad Bird revealed that her proposed UnseenNoMore scene had to be cut for pacing reasons (it killed the momentum of the scenes following, and immediately after, her scene), and it was decided to keep her as TheGhost, an element of the character that's part of the joke carried on from the first film.
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** After 14 years, many fans were longing to finally see Lucius' wife Honey in person, only for her to still be an offscreen character in the final film. Especially disappointing since [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/b/bd/Honey_Best.png/revision/latest?cb=20201221184723 she was actually shown in a concept sketch]] as well as in a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9AelHh5zwg mocked-up deleted scene]] where Brad Bird revealed that her proposed UnseenNoMore scene had to be cut for pacing reasons (it killed the momentum of the scenes following, and immediately after, her scene), and it was decided to keep her as TheGhost, an element of the character that's part of the joke carried on from the firstfilm.film.
** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans.
** After 14 years, many fans were longing to finally see Lucius' wife Honey in person, only for her to still be an offscreen character in the final film. Especially disappointing since [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/b/bd/Honey_Best.png/revision/latest?cb=20201221184723 she was actually shown in a concept sketch]] as well as in a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9AelHh5zwg mocked-up deleted scene]] where Brad Bird revealed that her proposed UnseenNoMore scene had to be cut for pacing reasons (it killed the momentum of the scenes following, and immediately after, her scene), and it was decided to keep her as TheGhost, an element of the character that's part of the joke carried on from the first
** Many fans greatly prefer Brad Bird's original idea of the film, which would've been a DistantSequel focused on an older Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack (and was scrapped by Brad Bird due to not wanting to ruin the family dynamic of the first film and not wanting to make new models of the older characters from scratch), over the final film, which was an ImmediateSequel focused on Helen. It helps that the TimeSkip idea was already a popular source of FanficFuel amongst fans.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequels at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2''), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having similar reception)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolves it in a fitting way, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below), Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film, this was another major reason for the sequel's reception and Dash being OutOfFocus)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept it's original 2019 release date as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', and ''The Lion King''), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as it's predecessor.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequels at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2''), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having similar reception)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolves it in a fitting way, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below), Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film, this was another major reason for the sequel's reception and Dash being OutOfFocus)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept it's original 2019 release date as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', and ''The Lion King''), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as it's its predecessor.
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** The movie confirms that there are superheroes based out of other countries (though there were some minior hints of this in the first film), this has high implications that there are young Supers out there that are just like Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack running around all over the world, no doubt this will lead to a Super-Foreign Exchange Program being developed.
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** The movie confirms that there are superheroes based out of other countries (though there were some minior minor hints of this in the first film), this has high implications that there are young Supers out there that are just like Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack running around all over the world, no doubt this will lead to a Super-Foreign Exchange Program being developed.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequels at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2''), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same reception)[[/note]]. While many elements from first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal plot and does resolves it in a fitting way, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below), Helen barely getting any development (despite being the main character, which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film) and Dash being OutOfFocus)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept it's original 2019 release date as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', and ''The Lion King''), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as it's predecessor.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequels at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2''), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same similar reception)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal plot subplot and does resolves it in a fitting way, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below), Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character, character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film) film, this was another major reason for the sequel's reception and Dash being OutOfFocus)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept it's original 2019 release date as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', and ''The Lion King''), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as it's predecessor.
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** The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately squandered when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in TheTeaser, resetting Tony back to the same SatelliteLoveInterest he was in the first movie. Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he keeps his memories, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted. This was one of the main reasons the sequel proved to be a major disappointment to some fans, as Tony keeping his memory would have drastically altered Violet's entire story arc (and likewise would have fixed the main story) and thus improve her overall as a character while also giving Tony his own character arc and purpose in the sequel's story that would have made use of his increased presence (such as by becoming Violet's SecretKeeper and thus having to protect Violet's secret heroic identity at school and at his job).
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** The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately squandered when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in TheTeaser, resetting Tony back to the same SatelliteLoveInterest he was in the first movie. Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he keeps his memories, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted. This was one of the main reasons the sequel proved to be a major disappointment to some fans, as Tony keeping his memory would have drastically altered Violet's entire story arc (and likewise would have fixed the main story) side story portion) and thus improve her overall as a character while also giving Tony his own character arc and purpose in the sequel's story that would have made use of his increased presence screentime (such as by becoming Violet's SecretKeeper and thus having to protect Violet's secret heroic identity at school and at his job).
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** Dash was ultimately hit very ''hard'' with this in the sequel if not more worse than what his dad got. In the first film alone he had by far the ''highest body count'' and was shown to be fast enough to run on water and push Violet's Force Field around like a hamster ball. But in the 2nd movie, Dash was heavily OutOfFocus and barely got a chance to show off his increased speed in the 3-month TimeSkip (unlike Violet who was shown to have TakenALevelInBadass with her powers during that same time), he was made even more useless once the 2nd film's climax hits (as being onboard the ''Everjust'' severely hampered his space to run around on which nerfs him further) and he was made to watch Jack-Jack which he fails at and he gets kidnapped by the Screenslaved Screech, in which he had to be saved by Violet.
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** Dash was ultimately hit very ''hard'' with this in the sequel if not more worse than what his dad got. In the first film alone he had by far the ''highest body count'' [[note]]though a good chunk of those deaths were merely incidental on Dash's part[[/note]] and was shown to be fast enough to run on water and push Violet's Force Field around like a hamster ball. But in the 2nd movie, Dash was heavily OutOfFocus and he barely got a chance to show off his increased speed in the 3-month TimeSkip (unlike Violet who was shown to have TakenALevelInBadass with her powers during that same time), he was made even more useless once the 2nd film's climax hits (as being onboard the ''Everjust'' severely hampered his space to run around on in which nerfs hurts him further) and he was made to watch Jack-Jack which he horridly fails at and he even gets kidnapped by the Screenslaved Screech, in which he had to be saved by Violet.Violet wielding Jack-Jack.
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** And then we have the real man (or woman) behind the man herself in [[spoiler: Evelyn Deavor]] whom, despite being seen as a highly intelligent but inferior villain than the popular Syndrome, has surely built up a decent amount of fan love over time years after the release of the sequel. It helps that many people tend to find her quite attractive thanks to her EvilIsSexy look with her spandex suit and tend to ship her with Elastigirl. With many hoping she becomes a recurring antagonist (albeit one that has more development and better supervillain plots) in a third film.
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** And then we have the real man (or woman) behind the man herself in [[spoiler: Evelyn Deavor]] whom, despite being seen as a highly intelligent but inferior villain than the incredibly popular Syndrome, has surely built up a decent amount of fan love over time years after the release of the sequel.sequel (though it's unclear of she'll ever be as popular as Syndrome). It helps that many people tend to find her quite attractive thanks to her EvilIsSexy look with her spandex suit and tend to ship her with Elastigirl. With many hoping she becomes a recurring antagonist (albeit one that has more development and better supervillain plots) in a third film.
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** The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately squandered when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in TheTeaser, resetting Tony back to the same SatelliteLoveInterest he was in the first movie. Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he keeps his memories, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted. This was one of the main reasons the sequel proved to be a major disappointment to some fans, as Tony keeping his memory would have drastically altered Violet's entire story arc (and likewise would have altered the main story to be better) and thus improve her overall as a character while also giving Tony his own character arc and purpose in the sequel's story (by becoming Violet's SecretKeeper and thus having to protect Violet's heroic identity at school).
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** The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately squandered when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in TheTeaser, resetting Tony back to the same SatelliteLoveInterest he was in the first movie. Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he keeps his memories, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted. This was one of the main reasons the sequel proved to be a major disappointment to some fans, as Tony keeping his memory would have drastically altered Violet's entire story arc (and likewise would have altered fixed the main story to be better) story) and thus improve her overall as a character while also giving Tony his own character arc and purpose in the sequel's story (by that would have made use of his increased presence (such as by becoming Violet's SecretKeeper and thus having to protect Violet's secret heroic identity at school).school and at his job).
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** Violet is back and is even more adorkable than ever, with a major hint of TheWoobie thrown in following her crush's memory wipe. Her reintroduction to Tony and her meeting an un-hypnotized Voyd for the first time shows it.
** Voyd trips over her words while talking to Elastigirl and does so again when talking to Violet.
** Voyd trips over her words while talking to Elastigirl and does so again when talking to Violet.
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** Violet is back and is even more adorkable than ever, with a major hint of TheWoobie thrown in following her crush's memory wipe. Her reintroduction to Tony and her meeting an un-hypnotized Voyd for the first time shows it.off her social anxiety upon meeting them.
** Voyd trips over her words while talking to Elastigirl and does so again when talking toViolet.Violet which doubles the adorkable side of both females.
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** Helen acts like an excited schoolgirl once she gets back into being a superheroine. Her sheer euphoria when she tells Bob about how she stopped the train is especially endeering.
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** Helen acts like an excited schoolgirl once she gets back into being a superheroine. Her sheer euphoria when she tells Bob about how she stopped the train is especially endeering.endearing.
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** Voyd trips over her words while talking to Elastigirl.
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** Violet is back and is even more adorkable than ever, with a major hint of TheWoobie thrown in following her crush's memory wipe. Her reintroduction to Tony and her meeting an un-hypnotized Voyd for the first time shows it.
** Voyd trips over her words while talking toElastigirl.Elastigirl and does so again when talking to Violet.
** Voyd trips over her words while talking to
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Despite having lighter tone than the first movie, Brad Bird has had to explain many times that ''Incredibles 2'' [[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2461673/brad-bird-says-incredibles-2-is-not-a-kids-movie-and-should-be-reclassified is NOT a kids film just because it's an animated film]]. Apparently many parents have come to assume that the PG rating means ''"Practically G"'' and were shocked when the film actually had some adult content.[[note]]PG actually means "Parental Guidance", which is trend Pixar starting doing more often during TheNewTens and continuing well into TheNewTwenties.[[/note]]
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Despite having lighter tone than the first movie, Brad Bird has had to explain many times that ''Incredibles 2'' [[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2461673/brad-bird-says-incredibles-2-is-not-a-kids-movie-and-should-be-reclassified is NOT a kids film just because it's an animated film]]. Apparently many parents have come to assume that the PG rating means ''"Practically G"'' and were shocked when the film actually had some adult content.[[note]]PG actually means "Parental Guidance", which is a trend Pixar starting doing more often during TheNewTens and continuing well into TheNewTwenties.[[/note]]
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though Evelyn has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well, and then there are those who consider it SoOkayItsAverage as seen below.
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* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though Evelyn has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either. either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]], as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well, and then there are those who consider it SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. well.
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** And then we have the real man (or woman) behind the man herself in [[spoiler: Evelyn Deavor]] whom, despite being seen as a highly intelligent but inferior villain than the popular Syndrome, has surely built up a decent amount of fan love over time years after the release of the sequel. It helps that many people tend to find her quite attractive thanks to her EvilIsSexy look with her spandex suit and tend to ship her with Elastigirl. With many hoping she becomes a recurring antagonist (albeit one that has more development and better villain plots) in a sequel.
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** And then we have the real man (or woman) behind the man herself in [[spoiler: Evelyn Deavor]] whom, despite being seen as a highly intelligent but inferior villain than the popular Syndrome, has surely built up a decent amount of fan love over time years after the release of the sequel. It helps that many people tend to find her quite attractive thanks to her EvilIsSexy look with her spandex suit and tend to ship her with Elastigirl. With many hoping she becomes a recurring antagonist (albeit one that has more development and better villain supervillain plots) in a sequel.third film.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Despite having lighter tone than the first movie, Brad Bird has had to explain many times that ''Incredibles 2'' [[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2461673/brad-bird-says-incredibles-2-is-not-a-kids-movie-and-should-be-reclassified is NOT a kids film just because it's an animated film]]. Apparently many parents have come to assume that the PG rating means ''"Practically G"'' and were shocked when the film actually had some adult content.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Despite having lighter tone than the first movie, Brad Bird has had to explain many times that ''Incredibles 2'' [[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2461673/brad-bird-says-incredibles-2-is-not-a-kids-movie-and-should-be-reclassified is NOT a kids film just because it's an animated film]]. Apparently many parents have come to assume that the PG rating means ''"Practically G"'' and were shocked when the film actually had some adult content.[[note]]PG actually means "Parental Guidance", which is trend Pixar starting doing more often during TheNewTens and continuing well into TheNewTwenties.[[/note]]
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequels at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2''), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'') including having the same reception[[/note]]. While many elements from first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal plot and does resolves it in a fitting way, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below), Helen barely getting any (despite being the main character) and Dash being OutOfFocus)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept it's original 2019 release date as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', and ''The Lion King''), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as it's predecessor.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequels at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2''), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'') 2'' including having the same reception[[/note]]. reception)[[/note]]. While many elements from first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal plot and does resolves it in a fitting way, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below), Helen barely getting any development (despite being the main character) character, which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film) and Dash being OutOfFocus)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept it's original 2019 release date as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', and ''The Lion King''), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as it's predecessor.
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** Tony Rydinger was seen by many as a major missed opportunity as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.
