History YMMV / HowGreenWasMyValley

11th Dec '15 9:21:01 AM jamespolk
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** Some still persist in calling it "that [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre]] film that stole the award from ''Film/CitizenKane'' and ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon''", along with other nominees such as ''Film/SergeantYork'', ''The Little Foxes'', ''Film/{{Suspicion}}'', and ''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...

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** Some still persist in calling it "that [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre]] film that stole the award from ''Film/CitizenKane'' and ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon''", along with other nominees such as ''Film/SergeantYork'', ''The Little Foxes'', ''Theatre/TheLittleFoxes'', ''Film/{{Suspicion}}'', and ''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...
23rd Jan '15 9:16:36 PM KingClark
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** Some still persist in calling it "that [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre]] film that stole the award from ''Film/CitizenKane'' and ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon'', along with other nominees such as ''Film/SergeantYork'', ''The Little Foxes'', ''Film/{{Suspicion}}'', and ''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...

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** Some still persist in calling it "that [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre]] film that stole the award from ''Film/CitizenKane'' and ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon'', ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon''", along with other nominees such as ''Film/SergeantYork'', ''The Little Foxes'', ''Film/{{Suspicion}}'', and ''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...



* NeverLiveItDown: The movie's real merits have been obscured by the fact that most people remember it as "the movie that won over ''Film/CitizenKane''."
** Some irony is to be had in the fact that OrsonWelles basically considered John Ford the best director ever. While Welles was probably perfectly understanding of Ford winning over him (Ford's ''TheGrapesOfWrath'' was widely regarded as the best American movie for many years, until critics started giving ''Kane'' that merit), try justifying that to modern audiences.
** ''How Green Was My Valley'' was highly innovative, its use of first person narration and the relation of that to the screen events went on to influence ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''.
*** The "ComingOfAgeStory narrated by the protagonist as an adult" format reached it's logical conclusion in ''Series/GrowingUpFisher'' where the ''story'' takes place in ThePresentDay with the narrator speaking from some unknown point in the future.
* VindicatedByHistory: The criticism that this movie has received over the years has toned down a lot in more recent times. While only a few people believe that it deserved to win, it now isn't uncommon to hear people call this a great movie.

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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
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The movie's real merits have been obscured by the fact that most people remember it as "the movie that won over ''Film/CitizenKane''."
** *** Some irony is to be had in the fact that OrsonWelles basically considered John Ford the best director ever. While Welles was probably perfectly understanding of Ford winning over him (Ford's ''TheGrapesOfWrath'' ''Literature/TheGrapesOfWrath'' was widely regarded as the best American movie for many years, until critics started giving ''Kane'' that merit), try justifying that to modern audiences.
** *** ''How Green Was My Valley'' was highly innovative, its use of first person narration and the relation of that to the screen events went on to influence ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''.
''Film/TheMagnificentAmbersons''.
*** The "ComingOfAgeStory narrated by the protagonist as an adult" format reached it's logical conclusion in ''Series/GrowingUpFisher'' ''Growing Up Fisher'' where the ''story'' takes place in ThePresentDay with the narrator speaking from some unknown point in the future.
* VindicatedByHistory: VindicatedByHistory:
**
The criticism that this movie has received over the years has toned down a lot in more recent times. While only a few people believe that it deserved to win, it now isn't uncommon to hear people call this a great movie.
23rd Jan '15 9:13:51 PM KingClark
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* AwardSnub: Some still persist in calling it "that [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre]] film that stole the award from ''Film/CitizenKane'' and ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon''.
** That's not all. Other nominees that year (1941) included ''SergeantYork'', ''TheLittleFoxes'', ''{{Suspicion}}'', and ''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...

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* AwardSnub: AwardSnub:
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Some still persist in calling it "that [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre]] film that stole the award from ''Film/CitizenKane'' and ''Film/TheMalteseFalcon''.
** That's not all. Other
''Film/TheMalteseFalcon'', along with other nominees that year (1941) included ''SergeantYork'', ''TheLittleFoxes'', ''{{Suspicion}}'', such as ''Film/SergeantYork'', ''The Little Foxes'', ''Film/{{Suspicion}}'', and ''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...
30th Aug '14 3:44:15 PM GothicProphet
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** The American critic, Andrew Sarris, called it the "best film to ever win an Oscar", he was a huge Ford fan(and a Kane fan as well).

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** The American critic, Andrew Sarris, called it the "best film to ever win an Oscar", Oscar"; he was a huge Ford fan(and fan (and a Kane fan as well).well).
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8th Jul '14 11:34:15 PM LogoP
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* VindicatedByHistory: The HateDumb that this movie has received over the years has toned down a lot in more recent times. While only a few people believe that it deserved to win, it now isn't uncommon to hear people call this a great movie.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The HateDumb criticism that this movie has received over the years has toned down a lot in more recent times. While only a few people believe that it deserved to win, it now isn't uncommon to hear people call this a great movie.
30th Mar '14 3:51:05 PM nlpnt
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** ''How Green Was My Valley'' was highly innovative, its use of first person narration and the relation of that to the screen events went on to influence ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''.

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** ''How Green Was My Valley'' was highly innovative, its use of first person narration and the relation of that to the screen events went on to influence ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''. ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''.
*** The "ComingOfAgeStory narrated by the protagonist as an adult" format reached it's logical conclusion in ''Series/GrowingUpFisher'' where the ''story'' takes place in ThePresentDay with the narrator speaking from some unknown point in the future.
4th Mar '14 4:48:33 PM Aiguille
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** That's not all. Other nominees that year (1941) included ''SergeantYork'', ''TheLittleFoxes'', ''{{Suspicion}}'', and ''HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...

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** That's not all. Other nominees that year (1941) included ''SergeantYork'', ''TheLittleFoxes'', ''{{Suspicion}}'', and ''HereComesMrJordan''.''Film/HereComesMrJordan''. It seemed to have been a pretty good year for movies...
27th Dec '13 10:31:35 AM Mdumas43073
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27th Dec '13 10:31:32 AM Mdumas43073
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** Some irony is to be had in the fact that OrsonWelles basically considered John Ford the best director ever. While Welles was probably perfectly understanding of Ford winning over him (Ford's ''TheGrapes of Wrath'' was widely regarded as the best American movie for many years, until critics started giving ''Kane'' that merit), try justifying that to modern audiences.

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** Some irony is to be had in the fact that OrsonWelles basically considered John Ford the best director ever. While Welles was probably perfectly understanding of Ford winning over him (Ford's ''TheGrapes of Wrath'' ''TheGrapesOfWrath'' was widely regarded as the best American movie for many years, until critics started giving ''Kane'' that merit), try justifying that to modern audiences.
27th Dec '13 10:31:12 AM Mdumas43073
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** Supporters will argue that ''How Green Was My Valley'' is just as great a film as say, ''The Little Foxes''(itself an underrated film) and better than the others and was the only deserving title in the year of that competition aside from Kane, which was too controversial at the time to actually win.
** Some TakeAThirdOption and dismiss the Oscars on the whole as a farce, and that it didn't matter if Kane or this film won, what matters is that both are [[TrueArt great films]].

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** Supporters will argue that ''How Green Was My Valley'' is just as great a film as say, ''The Little Foxes''(itself Foxes'' (itself an underrated film) and better than the others others, and was the only most deserving title in the year of that competition aside from Kane, ''Kane'', which was too controversial at the time to actually win.
** Some TakeAThirdOption and dismiss the Oscars on the whole as a farce, and that it didn't matter if Kane ''Kane'' or this film won, what matters is that both are [[TrueArt great films]].



** Some irony is to be had that Orson Welles basically considered John Ford the best director ever. While Welles was probably perfectly understanding of Ford winning over him (Grapes of Wrath was considered the best American movie for many years- until critics started giving Citizen Kane that merit), try justifying that to modern audiences.

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** Some irony is to be had in the fact that Orson Welles OrsonWelles basically considered John Ford the best director ever. While Welles was probably perfectly understanding of Ford winning over him (Grapes (Ford's ''TheGrapes of Wrath Wrath'' was considered widely regarded as the best American movie for many years- years, until critics started giving Citizen Kane ''Kane'' that merit), try justifying that to modern audiences.
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