History YMMV / HorusHeresy

25th Apr '16 8:01:58 PM Steam_Lord
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** The Interex are either a superior moral alternative to the imperium, or they were too weak to survive the horrors of 30k, let alone 40k.
25th Apr '16 5:45:46 PM MetalKing1417
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** The Interex are either a superior moral alternative to the imperium, or they were too weak to survive the horrors of 30k, let alone 40k.
18th Mar '16 11:28:56 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** [[spoiler: ''Wolf King'' story reveals that though Leman Russ took his father's order to become TheDreaded and HeroKiller to heart, after destruction of Prospero and Magnus's presumed death he decided to abandon this role and change his Legion and himself lest they have no allies. It seems it worked.]]
10th Feb '16 2:43:26 PM Steam_Lord
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** Tarik Torgaddon and Hastur Sejanus have a large following, the latter more puzzling because for 99% of the series, he's TheGhost.

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** Tarik Torgaddon and Hastur Sejanus [[OnlySaneMan Hastur]] [[WhiteSheep Sejanus]] have a large following, the latter more puzzling because for 99% of the series, he's TheGhost.



** There are enough Primarch ships to form an entire battlefleet, with Horus/Sanguinus as the flagship. Almost every single combination has been explored online... except for Angron/anyone, because no-one's quite sure how to make ''that'' work.

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** There are enough Primarch ships to form an entire battlefleet, with Horus/Sanguinus as the flagship. Almost every single combination has been explored online... except for Angron/anyone, because no-one's quite sure how to make ''that'' work.
10th Feb '16 10:55:21 AM Kakai
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* IncestYayShipping: Like you wouldn't believe. With LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters being mostly related to each other via genetic engineering, ship-oriented parts of fandom have largely ignored the implications and just sailed on.
** There are enough Primarch ships to form an entire battlefleet, with Horus/Sanguinus as the flagship. Almost every single combination has been explored online... except for Angron/anyone, because no-one's quite sure how to make ''that'' work.
** Father/son ships also abound, mostly Curze/Sevatar and Dorn/Sigismund, the latter of which truly set sail after ''The Crimson Fist''.
** Let us also not forget of the One True Foursome that is Mournival.
10th Feb '16 10:44:38 AM Kakai
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** Nykona Sharrowkyn is either cool or a MarySue.


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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Garviel Loken is the prime example, starting out simply as POV of the first trilogy and getting so much fan love, he was one of the first characters introduced to the tabletop game of Heresy.
** Tarik Torgaddon and Hastur Sejanus have a large following, the latter more puzzling because for 99% of the series, he's TheGhost.
** Sigismund is almost universally beloved by fandom, although there are two groups of fans. One, prowling the forums, loves him for his sheer fighting prowess and awesome he brings wherever he goes, while the other, residing mostly on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn and Tumblr, loves exploring his tragic relationship with his gene-sire following ''The Crimson Fist'' and revelations thereof.
10th Feb '16 10:37:41 AM Kakai
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** Made even more hilarious when in ''Vow of Faith'' we find out that [[spoiler:Karkasy's now the greatest supporter and pretty much second-in-command to Euphrati Keeler, the chief preacher of the Imperial Creed.]]
10th Feb '16 10:10:12 AM Kakai
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*** FridgeLogic presents an obvious third interpretation: the Emperor is [[EldritchAbomination immortal and essentially unkillable]], so most likely he sees no need for sons or heirs at all. The legions and primarchs _think_ he regards the primarchs in the way that a man might view his offspring because it's part of their brainwashing, but it's not actually the case: they are intended as simple tools to allow him to project his power in various ways, and he views their status as thinking beings as an unfortunate side effect. It never occurs to him that they might be 'offended' by only receiving the minimum information to complete the immediate task at hand because he doesn't actually think of them as people so much as a set of really fancy telecommunications gear.

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*** FridgeLogic presents an obvious third interpretation: the Emperor is [[EldritchAbomination immortal and essentially unkillable]], so most likely he sees no need for sons or heirs at all. The legions and primarchs _think_ ''think'' he regards the primarchs in the way that a man might view his offspring because it's part of their brainwashing, but it's not actually the case: they are intended as simple tools to allow him to project his power in various ways, and he views their status as thinking beings as an unfortunate side effect. It never occurs to him that they might be 'offended' by only receiving the minimum information to complete the immediate task at hand because he doesn't actually think of them as people so much as a set of really fancy telecommunications gear.



** The Emperor of Mankind is a brilliant genius who was forced to do some terrible things for the good of humanity vs. the Emperor is a whiny, self-absorbed warlord with delusions of infallibility. There's also the moderate part which believes that the Emperor is a good-intentioned, but deeply flawed being, and the people who theorize that [[TakeTheThirdOption the Emperor of Mankind is actually not an ancient magical being, but an artificial human in the vein of the Primarchs created by Malcador, the ''true'' immortal protector of humanity, only a few hundred years back]].

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** The Emperor of Mankind is a brilliant genius who was forced to do some terrible things for the good of humanity vs. the Emperor is a whiny, self-absorbed warlord with delusions of infallibility. There's also the moderate part which believes that the Emperor is a good-intentioned, but deeply flawed being, and the people who theorize that [[TakeTheThirdOption the Emperor of Mankind is actually not an ancient magical being, but an artificial human in the vein of the Primarchs created by Malcador, the ''true'' the]] ''[[TakeTheThirdOption true]]'' [[TakeTheThirdOption immortal protector of humanity, only a few hundred years back]].
10th Feb '16 10:07:22 AM Kakai
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* BrokenBase: While UnpleasableFanbase is pretty much a constant for this franchise, some issues are more divisive than others.
** Imperium Secundus is redundant, brings nothing but padding to the plot and should have never been invented vs. Imperium Secundus is the only logical thing to happen and a fascinating sub-plot vs. Imperium Secundus has some nice concepts, but is overally [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot severely underused]].
** The franchise itself is either continuously interesting and pushes its plot forward at a good pace or it's getting steadily worse and has abandoned all pretense of advancing the plot in favour of turning into a shameless money-grab.
** New and revamped Ollanius Pius is either awesome or a fail on Games Workshop's part.
** The Emperor of Mankind is a brilliant genius who was forced to do some terrible things for the good of humanity vs. the Emperor is a whiny, self-absorbed warlord with delusions of infallibility. There's also the moderate part which believes that the Emperor is a good-intentioned, but deeply flawed being, and the people who theorize that [[TakeTheThirdOption the Emperor of Mankind is actually not an ancient magical being, but an artificial human in the vein of the Primarchs created by Malcador, the ''true'' immortal protector of humanity, only a few hundred years back]].
** The Primarchs. ''Ye gods of Chaos'', the Primarchs. Lines are drawn in case of almost every single one and the debates that can break out could power Khorne for decades to come. Pretty much the only Primarch whom everyone can agree is generally okay is Ferrus Manus, and that's probably only because he died to early to become divisive. For the most heated arguments:
*** Roboute Guilliman is the most humane, easy-to-emphasize-with Primarch who has to make do with what he has vs. Guilliman's a {{jerkass}} and traitor to the Imperium.
*** Leman Russ is ObfuscatingStupidity and awesome vs. Leman Russ is a hypocrite of highest order and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter fails to deliver on his promise]]. The only thing the two sides can agree on is that he should be used more by the story.
*** Horus is a brilliant man who was tragically corrupted into serving Chaos vs. Horus couldn't stub his toe without coming to cry to daddy about it and it's no surprise that when the Emperor left, he threw a hissing fit.
*** Sanguinus is the most loyal son of pure heart and mind vs. Sanguinus is a traitor who considered cooperating with xenos and nearly sold his soul to Chaos. Not to mention the division of "if he told his father about the flaw, it could've been solved" vs. "if he told his father about the flaw, the Blood Angels would be purged".
*** Angron and Lorgar are tragic figures who had no choice but to turn against their father vs. they're narcissts who should man up and solve their problems by themselves rather than blame it all on the Emperor.
*** Perturabo is a NobleDemon and OnlySaneMan of the traitor Primarch vs. Perturabo is petulant and too preoccupied with his own misery to try and find some common ground with others.
*** Konrad Curze is a cursed figure of tragedy tortured by his own mind, whom we should pity vs. Curze is too edgy and too far gone and should be executed like a rabid dog.
*** Rogal Dorn is either a stalwart ReasonableAuthorityFigure or too hard-headed and inflexible to be fit for command.
*** Magnus was wrongly punished and did nothing wrong vs. Magnus should know better than to do what he did and now reaps what he sow.
** You're either with Perturabo and against Dorn or with Dorn and against Perturabo. No middle ground. Ditto for Leman Russ vs. Magnus. If you support one, the other side will rip you to shreds.
30th Dec '15 2:48:49 AM Kakai
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* FridgeBrilliance: In ''The Crimson Fist'' short story from ''Shadows of Treachery'', much of the Black Templars mindset is explained when [[spoiler: Sigismund reveals to Rogal Dorn that Euphrati Keeler told him he needed to stay with Dorn at Terra instead of lead the Retribution Fleet to Isstvan, and Dorn effectively disowns him as his gene-son in a rage for questioning his purpose and believing he knew better than the Emperor, making him no different than Horus. This explains why Sigismund was made High Marshal of the Black Templars and so much of their psychology: their hatred of psykers, the "No Remorse" part of their BattleCry, and the ten thousand year crusade. Sigismund was not rewarded, he was exiled, and the eternal crusade is his attempt to atone in the eyes of Rogal Dorn.]]
** Whenever the forces of Chaos want to turn someone against the Emperor, they show their target a vision of [[BlatantLies "the Emperor's true plan"]]... the 41st Millenium. This effectively makes the entire Warhammer 40,000 setting a giant self-fulfilling prophesy.
* FridgeHorror: A rather disturbing scene in the audio-drama ''The Sigilite'' becomes far far far worse when you realise exactly what it means. [[spoiler: When Malcador shows the Army Officer Khalid Hassan the catacombs under the Imperial Palace he also shows him the gates that lead to the Golden Throne, and it's made very clear that the War in the Webway is under way, and has been ever since Magnus the Red broke the Emperor's wards trying to warn him about Horus. Think about it for a moment and you'll realise... that the Emperor and his Custodes and the Sisters of Silence have been fighting the resulting Daemonic incursion ever since. They are constantly behind that door, while outside the galaxy burns, trying to hold back the tide of Daemons, and they cannot stop.]]
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