Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / HighlanderIITheQuickening

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Corpsing: In the theatrical cut, Christopher Lambert is visibly unable to keep a straight face in two scenes where the dialogue lampshades the IdiotPlot the movie is based on - the first time when Connor has the face-to-face discussion with Katana about how stupid and counterproductive his plan was, and the second during the LetMeGetThisStraight moment with Louise.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Doesn't explain how it uses the trope, and it's not YMMV either.


* StupidEvil: General Katana might as well be the trope codifier.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Virgina Madsen (Louise Marcus) had appeared in quite a few films before this, but she she's more well-known for films she did post-Highlander II like ''Film/{{Candyman}}'' and ''Film/{{Sideways}}''.

to:

** Virgina Madsen Creator/VirginiaMadsen (Louise Marcus) had appeared in quite a few films before this, but she she's more well-known for films she did post-Highlander II like ''Film/{{Candyman}}'' and ''Film/{{Sideways}}''.

Added: 98

Changed: 96



* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Series/{{Scrubs}} Dr. Cox]] plays a CorruptCorporateExecutive of the Planetary Shield Company

to:

* RetroactiveRecognition: RetroactiveRecognition:
**
[[Series/{{Scrubs}} Dr. Cox]] plays a CorruptCorporateExecutive of the Planetary Shield Company
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HilariousInHindsight: The John C. [=McGinley=] character gets his testicles crushed by Michael Ironside near the climax. Cue the [[Series/{{Scrubs}} Dr. Cox]] jokes!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Creator/MichaelIronside's portrayal of BigBad General Katana. This statement from him is quite possibly the most explicit admission of engaging in this trope in cinema history:
--->'''Michael Ironside''': "Yeah, listen, I hated that script. We all did. Me, Sean, Chris... we all were [[MoneyDearBoy in it for the money]] on this one. I mean, it (the script) read as if it had been written by a thirteen year old boy. [[AwesomeDearBoy But I'd never played a barbarian swordsman before, and this was my first big evil mastermind type]]. I figured if I was going to do this stupid movie, I might as well have fun and go as far over the top as I possibly could. All that eye-rolling and foaming at the mouth was me deciding that if I was going to be in a piece of shit like that movie, I was going to be the most memorable fucking thing in it. And I think I succeeded."

to:

** Creator/MichaelIronside's portrayal of BigBad General Katana. Say what you will about the film, but goddamn, Creator/MichaelIronside was just so awesome as the [[EvilIsHammy over the top evil]] Katana, you can tell that even with what he had to work with, he was having a ball. This statement from him is also quite possibly the most explicit admission of engaging in this trope in cinema history:
--->'''Michael Ironside''': "Yeah, Yeah, listen, I hated that script. We all did. Me, Sean, Chris... we all were [[MoneyDearBoy in it for the money]] on this one. I mean, it (the script) read as if it had been written by a thirteen year old boy. [[AwesomeDearBoy But I'd never played a barbarian swordsman before, and this was my first big evil mastermind type]]. I figured if I was going to do this stupid movie, I might as well have fun and go as far over the top as I possibly could. All that eye-rolling and foaming at the mouth was me deciding that if I was going to be in a piece of shit like that movie, I was going to be the most memorable fucking thing in it. And I think I succeeded."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Sean Connery realized how much the film was sinking into {{Sequelitis}}, and made his performance one big raised middle finger to the producers who brought his character BackFromTheDead so he could appear in the sequel.

to:

** Sean Connery Creator/SeanConnery realized how much the film was sinking into {{Sequelitis}}, and made his performance one big raised middle finger to the producers who brought his character BackFromTheDead so he could appear in the sequel.



* VoodooShark: This installment decided that the Immortals were actually a race of alien political exiles, which begs the question: when Christopher Lambert asked Sean Connery why certain people are immortal, what was all that "why does the sun rise in the east" crap? And this even goes back to the holy ground thing. Why would aliens care about human religions? Or better yet, why would you give political exiles the chance to obtain the "Prize," I.E. the chance to become a '''[[PhysicalGod GOD?]]''' [[CanonDiscontinuity The alien explanation was quickly]] [[{{Retcon}} retconned.]]

to:

* VoodooShark: This installment decided that the Immortals were actually a race of alien political exiles, which begs the question: when Christopher Lambert Connor asked Sean Connery Ramirez why certain people are immortal, what was all that "why does the sun rise in the east" crap? And this even goes back to the holy ground thing. Why would aliens care about human religions? Or better yet, why would you give political exiles the chance to obtain the "Prize," I.E. the chance to become a '''[[PhysicalGod GOD?]]''' [[CanonDiscontinuity The alien explanation was quickly]] [[{{Retcon}} retconned.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles, typically in the format ''[=X 2: [[TheTitling The X-ening]]=]''.

to:

* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles, typically in the format ''[=X ''X 2: [[TheTitling The X-ening]]=]''.X-ening]]''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles, typically in the format ''[=X 2: The X-ening=]''.

to:

* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles, typically in the format ''[=X 2: [[TheTitling The X-ening=]''.X-ening]]=]''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles.

to:

* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles.titles, typically in the format ''[=X 2: The X-ening=]''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* NightmareFuel: Brenda's death from the increase in solar radiation is pretty horrific, then the camera pulls back to reveal she's just one of ''thousands.''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* IdiotPlot: Lampshaded ''twice!'' The entire movie only happens because Katana is an idiot. Connor had resigned himself to a mortal life on Earth, was old and dying, and had no intent (or ability) to return to Zeist. Then Katana sent his goons to attack Connor, he decapitates them, absorbs their power, and his immortality and youth are restored. Katana even realizes this and gives an OhCrap face as Connor explains how stupid he was.

to:

* IdiotPlot: Lampshaded ''twice!'' The entire movie only happens because Katana is an idiot. Connor had resigned himself to a mortal life on Earth, was old and dying, and had no intent (or ability) to return to Zeist. Then Katana sent his goons to attack Connor, he decapitates them, absorbs their power, and his immortality and youth are restored. Katana even realizes this and gives an OhCrap face as Connor explains how stupid he was.was, and when one of said minions earlier points this out to Katana, he just smacks the guy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Funny Moments aren't to be used on main or YMMV pages - take it to the respective Sugar Wiki subpage.


* FunnyMoment: In an unintentional way of course; Connor points out the complete and utter failure of General Katana's assassination attempt by stating that if he had just let him grow old and die then General Katana would have won. The look of realization on Katana's face is probably the filmmaker's way of agreeing with the audience how stupid the whole thing was.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* IdiotPlot: As Conner lampshades to Katana, the entire movie only happens because Katana is an idiot. Connor had resigned himself to a mortal life on Earth, was old and dying, and had no intent to return to Zeist. Then Katana sent his goons to attack Connor, he decapitates them, absorbs their power, and his immortality and youth are restored. Katana even realizes this and gives an OhCrap face as Connor explains how stupid he was.

to:

* IdiotPlot: As Conner lampshades to Katana, the Lampshaded ''twice!'' The entire movie only happens because Katana is an idiot. Connor had resigned himself to a mortal life on Earth, was old and dying, and had no intent (or ability) to return to Zeist. Then Katana sent his goons to attack Connor, he decapitates them, absorbs their power, and his immortality and youth are restored. Katana even realizes this and gives an OhCrap face as Connor explains how stupid he was.

Added: 160

Changed: 261

Removed: 100

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
That's not a Contested Sequel. A Contested Sequel is when some fans think it's good, whereas others think it's bad, not "fans disagree on the precise degree of its badness."


* ContestedSequel: Is it worse than ''[[Film/HighlanderTheSource The Source]]'' or other way around?



* StupidEvil: General Katana might aswell be the trope codifier.

to:

* StupidEvil: General Katana might aswell as well be the trope codifier.



* TooDumbToLive: Really General Katana should be a prime example of what not to do as the BigBad. It makes you wonder how he managed to live as long as he did.

to:

** The Renegade cut adds ''time travel'' to the mix, creating a VoodooShark within a VoodooShark by bringing up the simple question of "how in the ''hell'' does that work?"
* TooDumbToLive: Really Really, General Katana should be a prime example of what not to do as the BigBad. It makes you wonder how he managed to live as long as he did.



'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to Earth and, of couse, they die making [=MacLeod=] immortal again, thus remaking the Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed. [=MacLeod=] spells this out to him when they meet, but he continues his course instead of just going home.

to:

'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to Earth and, of couse, they die making [=MacLeod=] immortal again, thus remaking the Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed. [=MacLeod=] [[LampshadeHanging spells this out to him him]] when they meet, but he continues his course instead of just going home.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* StupidEvil: General Katana might aswell be the trope codifier.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FunnyMoment: In an unintentional way of course; Connor points out the complete and utter failure of General Katana's assassination attempt by stating that if he had just let him grow old and die then General Katana would have won. The look of realization on Katana's face is probably the filmmaker's way of agreeing with the audience how stupid the whole thing was.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TooDumbToLive: Really General Katana should be a prime example of what not to do as the BigBad. It makes you wonder how he managed to live as long as he did.



'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to Earth and, of couse, they die making [=MacLeod=] immortal again, thus remaking the Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed. [=MacLeod=] spells this out to him when they meet, but he continues his course instead of just going home.

to:

'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to Earth and, of couse, they die making [=MacLeod=] immortal again, thus remaking the Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed. [=MacLeod=] spells this out to him when they meet, but he continues his course instead of just going home.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Virgina Madsen ((Louise Marcus) had appeared in quite a few films before this, but she she's more well-known for films she did post-Highlander II like ''Film/{{Candyman}}'' and ''Film/{{Sideways}}''.

to:

** Virgina Madsen ((Louise (Louise Marcus) had appeared in quite a few films before this, but she she's more well-known for films she did post-Highlander II like ''Film/{{Candyman}}'' and ''Film/{{Sideways}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Virgina Madsen ((Louise Marcus) had appeared in quite a few films before this, but she she's more well-known for films she did post-Highlander II like ''Film/{{Candyman}}'' and ''Film/{{Sideways}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SophomoreSlump: ''Film/HighlanderIIITheSorcerer'' and ''Film/HighlanderEndgame'' aren't exactly regarded as being classics, but they still got a better reaction than this film did. That said, many would argue that ''Film/HighlanderTheSource'' is the bottom of the barrel for the series as a whole.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* {{Narm}}: The voice Christopher Lambert uses for an aging Connor resembles a little kid imitating their grandpa.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SoBadItsGood: The film is just mind-numbingly awful, and really must be seen to be appreciated for exactly how horrible it is. And there are still some gems to be found, mostly Michael Ironside's incredibly hammy General Katana and Connor and Ramirez bickering about how many bullets they both took.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
the current context does not fit the trope - reworking


* IdiotPlot: There was clearly no plan in place for the setting's wider mythology when the first film was made, so the reveal that the Immortals are aliens was just randomly thrown out, opening up quite a few plot holes. Why do they care about human holy ground? Who the hell would want to go back to Zeist when Earth is an infinitely better place to live?

to:

* IdiotPlot: There was clearly no plan in place for As Conner lampshades to Katana, the setting's wider mythology when the first film was made, so the reveal that the Immortals are aliens was just randomly thrown out, opening up quite a few plot holes. Why do they care about human holy ground? Who the hell would want to go back to Zeist when Earth entire movie only happens because Katana is an infinitely better place idiot. Connor had resigned himself to live?a mortal life on Earth, was old and dying, and had no intent to return to Zeist. Then Katana sent his goons to attack Connor, he decapitates them, absorbs their power, and his immortality and youth are restored. Katana even realizes this and gives an OhCrap face as Connor explains how stupid he was.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to Earth and, of couse, they die making [=MacLeod=] immortal again, thus remaking the Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed.

to:

'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to Earth and, of couse, they die making [=MacLeod=] immortal again, thus remaking the Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed. [=MacLeod=] spells this out to him when they meet, but he continues his course instead of just going home.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* WhatAnIdiot: General Katana of Zeist sends his two goons to kill Connor [=MacLeod=] on planet earth. However, DumbassHasAPoint by saying that [=MacLeod=] was banished on earth and from what we see can die of old age anytime.\\

to:

* WhatAnIdiot: General Katana of Zeist sends his two goons to kill Connor [=MacLeod=] on planet earth. Earth. However, DumbassHasAPoint by saying that [=MacLeod=] was banished on earth is now mortal and from what we see can die of old age anytime.unlikely to return.\\



'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to earth and, of couse, they die returning [=MacLeod=] to the immortal phase, thus remaking the gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed.

to:

'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to earth Earth and, of couse, they die returning making [=MacLeod=] to the immortal phase, again, thus remaking the gathering, Gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SpecialEffectFailure: The explosions in the original cut are okay, but for some reason they were turned into white screen-filling flashes in ''The Renegade Cut''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* IdiotPlot: There was clearly no plan in place for the setting's wider mythology when the first film was made, so the reveal that the Immortals are aliens was just randomly thrown out, opening up quite a few plot holes. Why do they care about human holy ground? Who the hell would want to go back to Zeist when Earth is an infinitely better place to live?
* MemeticMutation: Appending "The Quickening" or some variant of it onto parody sequel titles.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ContestedSequel: Is it worse than ''[[Film/HiglanderTheSource The Source]]'' or other way around?

to:

* ContestedSequel: Is it worse than ''[[Film/HiglanderTheSource ''[[Film/HighlanderTheSource The Source]]'' or other way around?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ContestedSequel: Is it worse than ''[[Film/HiglanderTheSource The Source]]'' or other way around?
* FanDislikedExplanation: One of the biggest complaints about the film was that it established a mythology that the immortals are aliens from a planet known as Zeist, [[VoodooShark which only serves to raise more questions.]] The re-edits establish them as wizards from Earth's distant past. Either way, the film is [[CanonDiscontinuity no longer considered canon]] with the rest of the series.
* HamAndCheese:
** Sean Connery realized how much the film was sinking into {{Sequelitis}}, and made his performance one big raised middle finger to the producers who brought his character BackFromTheDead so he could appear in the sequel.
** Creator/MichaelIronside's portrayal of BigBad General Katana. This statement from him is quite possibly the most explicit admission of engaging in this trope in cinema history:
--->'''Michael Ironside''': "Yeah, listen, I hated that script. We all did. Me, Sean, Chris... we all were [[MoneyDearBoy in it for the money]] on this one. I mean, it (the script) read as if it had been written by a thirteen year old boy. [[AwesomeDearBoy But I'd never played a barbarian swordsman before, and this was my first big evil mastermind type]]. I figured if I was going to do this stupid movie, I might as well have fun and go as far over the top as I possibly could. All that eye-rolling and foaming at the mouth was me deciding that if I was going to be in a piece of shit like that movie, I was going to be the most memorable fucking thing in it. And I think I succeeded."
** ''Highlander II'' also features John C. [=McGinley=] (who, by his own admittance, was channeling Creator/OrsonWelles) as TheDragon.
* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Series/{{Scrubs}} Dr. Cox]] plays a CorruptCorporateExecutive of the Planetary Shield Company
* {{Sequelitis}}: Held as one of the worst sequels of all time.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: A Suspiciously Similar Song to of Music/{{Queen}}'s "Who Wants To Live Forever?" shows up.
* VoodooShark: This installment decided that the Immortals were actually a race of alien political exiles, which begs the question: when Christopher Lambert asked Sean Connery why certain people are immortal, what was all that "why does the sun rise in the east" crap? And this even goes back to the holy ground thing. Why would aliens care about human religions? Or better yet, why would you give political exiles the chance to obtain the "Prize," I.E. the chance to become a '''[[PhysicalGod GOD?]]''' [[CanonDiscontinuity The alien explanation was quickly]] [[{{Retcon}} retconned.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: General Katana of Zeist sends his two goons to kill Connor [=MacLeod=] on planet earth. However, DumbassHasAPoint by saying that [=MacLeod=] was banished on earth and from what we see can die of old age anytime.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' General Katana to agree with him and let [=MacLeod=] die of old age.\\
'''Instead''' Katana slaps the guy and send him to earth and, of couse, they die returning [=MacLeod=] to the immortal phase, thus remaking the gathering, thus obliging Katana to go himself and, of course getting himself killed.

Top