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* HarsherInHindsight: Ozzie briefly mentions [[LovePotion love potions]] and implies they're made to force sexual relationships into others. As seen on [[WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel its sister series]] love potions are created mainly by Velvette, who distributes alongside [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Valentino]]. It is even shown [[HookerWithAHeartOfGold Angel Dust]] is constantly fed these potions but he doesn't mind, as he has a facade to mantain and he thinks that once he becomes entirely broken Val will finally leave him alone.
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** Since "OZZIE'S", the series had been building up and alluding to a incident that destroyed Blitzo's relationship with Fizzarolli (and possibly Barbie), leaving fans to speculate wildly on what he had done that was so horrible. When it was revealed to be a fire caused by a knocked over cake, people were disappointed. While some would argue it being an accident added to the tragedy, some found it to be underwhelming, arguing that it removed any culpability from Blitzo, retroactivevly making Fizzarolli and Barbie's treatment of him come off as less justified.
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** Since "OZZIE'S", the series had been building up and alluding to a incident that destroyed Blitzo's relationship with Fizzarolli (and possibly Barbie), leaving fans to speculate wildly on what he had done that was so horrible. When it was revealed to be a fire caused by a knocked over knocked-over birthday cake, people were disappointed. While some would argue it split. Some fans argued that this whole affair being an accident added to the tragedy, some since it made Blitzo's culpability into ATragedyOfImpulsiveness while making his self-hatred over the incident understandable since it could have easily been avoided. Others found it to be underwhelming, arguing that it the fire being an accident removed any culpability from Blitzo, retroactivevly retroactively making Fizzarolli and Barbie's treatment of him come off as less justified.less-justified.
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* BrokenBase: While the episode is seen far more favorably among viewers (especially compared to the last episode), the episode did have some beats that did not go over well with some fans.
** Since "OZZIE'S", the series had been building up and alluding to a incident that destroyed Blitzo's relationship with Fizzarolli (and possibly Barbie), leaving fans to speculate wildly on what he had done that was so horrible. When it was revealed to be a fire caused by a knocked over cake, people were disappointed. While some would argue it being an accident added to the tragedy, some found it to be underwhelming, arguing that it removed any culpability from Blitzo, retroactivevly making Fizzarolli and Barbie's treatment of him come off as less justified.
** The absence of Blitzo's mom and Barbie Wire within the flashback had upset some fans, with the former having made no on-screen appearances despite being her death having a major impact on Blitzo (and the fact that Cash Buckzo, Blitzo's abusive father, even got a cameo). Barbie Wire is more egregious as she was originally in the animatics that leaked before the episode's release, but was cut for unknown reasons. On top of it being [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a missed opportunity to give them some development]], it comes off as another example of female characters in the series getting shafted.
** At the end of the episode, Fizzarolli and Blitzo made amends with each other. This had also divided fans for various reasons: Some argued that Fizz forgave Blitz [[EasilyForgiven too easily]], or felt that it should had taken a few episodes at least, considering how the accident had pretty much destroyed and scarred Fizz's body. Not helping Blitzo's case was how moments prior, Blitzo risked Fizz's life by nearly blowing him up (to get him away from Striker) and how during their 'moment', Blitzo brought up how he lost his mother, saying 'he (Fizz) wasn't the only one to lose something in that fire', to the person who lost all his limbs. However, on the flip side, many were for them making amends, finding it to be a much-needed win for Blitzo after the events of "OZZIE'S", "Queen Bee" and "Unhappy Campers".
** During Stolas and Asmodeus' talk, Asmodeus makes a point to explain how he does not do love potions, making a point about how 'lust shouldn't be about force'. This had cause some controversy among fans, as some found it to be very contradicting that the literal sin of Lust would have a moral objection (or any at all for that matter) against love potions, finding it to be another example of how fast and loose the series play with demonology (with Queen Bee from her titular episode being another example). The other side argue that it is an example of EvenEvilHasStandards, and considering Asmodeus' status as a NobleDemon, it would make sense that Asmodeus would have issues with it.
** Since "OZZIE'S", the series had been building up and alluding to a incident that destroyed Blitzo's relationship with Fizzarolli (and possibly Barbie), leaving fans to speculate wildly on what he had done that was so horrible. When it was revealed to be a fire caused by a knocked over cake, people were disappointed. While some would argue it being an accident added to the tragedy, some found it to be underwhelming, arguing that it removed any culpability from Blitzo, retroactivevly making Fizzarolli and Barbie's treatment of him come off as less justified.
** The absence of Blitzo's mom and Barbie Wire within the flashback had upset some fans, with the former having made no on-screen appearances despite being her death having a major impact on Blitzo (and the fact that Cash Buckzo, Blitzo's abusive father, even got a cameo). Barbie Wire is more egregious as she was originally in the animatics that leaked before the episode's release, but was cut for unknown reasons. On top of it being [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a missed opportunity to give them some development]], it comes off as another example of female characters in the series getting shafted.
** At the end of the episode, Fizzarolli and Blitzo made amends with each other. This had also divided fans for various reasons: Some argued that Fizz forgave Blitz [[EasilyForgiven too easily]], or felt that it should had taken a few episodes at least, considering how the accident had pretty much destroyed and scarred Fizz's body. Not helping Blitzo's case was how moments prior, Blitzo risked Fizz's life by nearly blowing him up (to get him away from Striker) and how during their 'moment', Blitzo brought up how he lost his mother, saying 'he (Fizz) wasn't the only one to lose something in that fire', to the person who lost all his limbs. However, on the flip side, many were for them making amends, finding it to be a much-needed win for Blitzo after the events of "OZZIE'S", "Queen Bee" and "Unhappy Campers".
** During Stolas and Asmodeus' talk, Asmodeus makes a point to explain how he does not do love potions, making a point about how 'lust shouldn't be about force'. This had cause some controversy among fans, as some found it to be very contradicting that the literal sin of Lust would have a moral objection (or any at all for that matter) against love potions, finding it to be another example of how fast and loose the series play with demonology (with Queen Bee from her titular episode being another example). The other side argue that it is an example of EvenEvilHasStandards, and considering Asmodeus' status as a NobleDemon, it would make sense that Asmodeus would have issues with it.
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* InformedWrongness: Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running). Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well, has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP, and sometimes acts condescending towards lower-ranking demons. While these instances have been framed later as more InnocentlyInsensitive, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.
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* InformedWrongness: Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him SexualExtortion into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running).running, which in a real world setting would qualify as rape). Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well, has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP, and sometimes acts condescending towards lower-ranking demons. While these instances have been framed later as more InnocentlyInsensitive, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.
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** Considering how gleeful Striker's looked when torturing people before and the VisualInnuendo in the camera shot of their shifting legs as he strangled Moxxie, is he really mad about his victims always turning their capture into a "sex thing" or just mad that they enjoy it?
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The framing of Crimson's lawyer's death scene makes it hard to tell whether Asmodeus and Fizzarolli merely brutally murdered him or gave him a KarmicRape, due to Stolas' "get fucked" line potentially being a LiteralMetaphor and the camera panning over to a heart-shaped window looking an awful lot like a RapeDiscretionShot.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The framing of Crimson's lawyer's death scene makes it hard to tell whether Asmodeus and Fizzarolli merely brutally murdered him or gave him a KarmicRape, due to Stolas' "get fucked" line potentially being a LiteralMetaphor and the camera panning over to a heart-shaped window looking an awful lot like a RapeDiscretionShot. Asmodeus does say he doesn't think Lust should be forced, but this would fall under the heading of Wrath instead, so...
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** While coming from a place of care, Asmodeus is shown to be quite of a ControlFreak towards Fizzarolli's safety. Is he always like that or was it just because he knew how dangerous the Greed ring can get? Does he allow Fizz a level of independence when he performs in other, safer, rings or does he monitors Fizzarolli's life constantly?
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** While coming from a place of care, Asmodeus is shown to be quite of a ControlFreak towards Fizzarolli's safety. Is he always like that or was it just because he knew how dangerous the Greed ring can get? Does he allow Fizz a level of independence when he performs in other, safer, rings or does he monitors monitor Fizzarolli's life constantly?
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* EpilepticTrees: The mother succubus from the pilot returns as a background character, but keen-eyed viewers are quick to notice that as her carriage is knocked over, there are bottles of alcohol rather than a baby. This led viewers to suspect that the baby Loona kicked was killed and the mother is [[DrowningMySorrows drowning her sorrows]].
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* EpilepticTrees: The mother succubus from the pilot returns as a background character, but keen-eyed viewers are quick to notice that as her carriage is knocked over, there are bottles of alcohol rather than a baby. This led viewers to suspect that the baby Loona kicked was killed [[DeathOfAChild killed]] and the mother is [[DrowningMySorrows drowning her sorrows]].
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* InformedWrongness: Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running). Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well and has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP. While these instances have been framed later as more InnocentlyInsensitive, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.
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* InformedWrongness: Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running). Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well and well, has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP.IMP, and sometimes acts condescending towards lower-ranking demons. While these instances have been framed later as more InnocentlyInsensitive, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.
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** When Striker threatens Fizz when the latter compares him to the nobles he loathes, telling him he's no better, did Striker get angry because Fizz dared to compare him to Hell's upper class? Or was it because that he knows Fizz is right, but refuses to admit that fact to himself?
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* {{Narm}}: Fizz's song straddles the line between Narm and NarmCharm. While the tune perfectly embodies that of a circus performer, it's hard to believe that the gangsters including a NoNonsenseNemesis such as Striker would simply stand there and do nothing.
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** Another point of contention for some fans was how Blitzo's ruined relationship with Fizz (and presumably Barbie) and his mother's death was all because Blitzo accidentally bumped into the guy who had a lit birthday cake that caused the fire that ruined all their lives. Many felt it was a weak payoff as to why Fizzarolli despised him, even arguing that Blitzo having more involvement in the incident occuring (whether intentional or not) would have had more weight, playing off of Blitz's status as the UnFavorite with his own father and further justify Fizzarolli's spite.
