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* FanDislikedExplanation: Revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had some fans feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.

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* FanDislikedExplanation: Revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had some fans feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided deprived of any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.

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** The fact that Blitzo and Stolas had met as children. Some feel it added more depth and context to Stolas and Blitzo's relationship, as well as a bit of tragedy considering how 'Ozzie's' ended. The other side however feel that them meeting as children came off as a tired cliche and muddied up (if not ruined) the complex toxic relationship the two had established in season one, plus felt it was an attempt to try and make their relationship less problematic.\\
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Then, of course, is the debate as to whether or not this is even a ChildhoodFriendRomance. Some viewers think it is due to employing tropes such as Stolas [[LoveAtFirstSight falling for Blitzo at first sight]] and the sweet time they have together. While others consider it more of a subversion or deconstruction of the trope, due to Stolas only thinking it was a Childhood Friends to Lovers Romance when it was actually one-sided, as well as their fall out in OZZIE's. It is also uncomfortable to consider it a ChildhoodFriendRomance considering Paimon bought Blitzo as company for Stolas, he wasn't there willingly; something Stolas is unaware of but Blitzo certainly is since he arguably did not see Stolas as his childhood friend as his real childhood friend was Fizz. Whether or not this will be [[TheUnreveal revealed in the future]] is unclear.

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** The fact that Blitzo and Stolas had met as children. Some feel it added more depth and context to Stolas and Blitzo's relationship, as well as a bit of tragedy considering how 'Ozzie's' ended. The other side however feel that them meeting as children came off as a tired cliche and muddied up (if not ruined) the complex toxic relationship the two had established in season one, plus felt it was an attempt to try and make their relationship less problematic.\\
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Whether or not this was a Retcon that was shoehorned in is also debated, especially given neither Blitzo nor Stolas ever mention or imply that they met as children in the first season, which is particularly egregious given that in "Loo Loo Land" they go to a circus - the same place they first met.
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Then, of course, is the debate as to whether or not this is even a ChildhoodFriendRomance. Some viewers think it is due to employing tropes such as Stolas [[LoveAtFirstSight falling for Blitzo at first sight]] and the sweet time they have together. While others consider it more of a subversion or deconstruction of the trope, due to Stolas only thinking it was a Childhood Friends to Lovers Romance when it was actually one-sided, as well as their fall out in OZZIE's. It is also uncomfortable to consider it a ChildhoodFriendRomance considering Paimon bought Blitzo as company for Stolas, he wasn't there willingly; something Stolas is unaware of but Blitzo certainly is since he arguably did not see Stolas as his childhood friend as his real childhood friend was Fizz. Whether or not this will be [[TheUnreveal revealed in the future]] is unclear.

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Then, of course, is the debate as to whether or not this is even a ChildhoodFriendRomance. Some viewers think it is due to employing tropes such as Stolas [[LoveAtFirstSight falling for Blitzo at first sight]] and the sweet time they have together. While others consider it more of a subversion or deconstruction of the trope, due to Stolas only thinking it was a Childhood Friends to Lovers Romance when it was actually one-sided, as well as their fall out in OZZIE's.

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Then, of course, is the debate as to whether or not this is even a ChildhoodFriendRomance. Some viewers think it is due to employing tropes such as Stolas [[LoveAtFirstSight falling for Blitzo at first sight]] and the sweet time they have together. While others consider it more of a subversion or deconstruction of the trope, due to Stolas only thinking it was a Childhood Friends to Lovers Romance when it was actually one-sided, as well as their fall out in OZZIE's. It is also uncomfortable to consider it a ChildhoodFriendRomance considering Paimon bought Blitzo as company for Stolas, he wasn't there willingly; something Stolas is unaware of but Blitzo certainly is since he arguably did not see Stolas as his childhood friend as his real childhood friend was Fizz. Whether or not this will be [[TheUnreveal revealed in the future]] is unclear.
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* FanDislikedExplanation: Revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had detractors feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.

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* FanDislikedExplanation: Revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had detractors some fans feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.
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** "The Circus" revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had detractors feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.

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** "The Circus" revealing * FanDislikedExplanation: Revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had detractors feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.
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** "The Circus" revealing Stella was [[EnfantTerrible evil since childhood]] and [[DomesticAbuse nothing but abusive of Stolas]] long before his [[SympatheticAdulterer resulting infidelity]] had detractors feel it was trying too hard to excuse Stolas's wrongdoings and negated the moral grayness/ambiguity that made it compelling. It also became part of the series growing criticism of shafting female characters, reducing Stella to a one-dimensional HateSink decided any depth or agency beyond propping up male characters conflicts.
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About lack of screentime, not handling/outcome of the character.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Stella, according to a lot of people. In Season One, people have speculated on the nature of Stolas and Stella's relationship before the affair, with Octavia and Asmodeus implying that they were once happy together (or at least amicable), and considering how she had hardly a few minutes of screentime within season one (and pretty much all of it amounted to her yelling at someone), people were looking forward to seeing what she was like when she wasn't angry. Some were promptly disappointed that Stella turned out to simply be a horrible person who enjoyed tormenting Stolas and treated him like garbage even before the affair. Not only did it contradict what Octavia said in 'Loo Loo Land', but it removed any complexity from Stolas and Stella's relationship, all but [[BrokenAesop absolving Stolas of cheating on her and the effect it had on his daughter]], not to mention distracting from the fact that what Stolas has with Blitzo started with what is arguably SexualExtortion. Additionally, both Stolas ''and'' Stella were forced into a marriage they didn't want to have a child neither of them wanted, but the episode plays this like ''Stolas'' is the only victim of the situation...because Stella was evil from the moment she was born, shown literally strangling a dog in a childhood photograph. [[SarcasmMode Subtle.]]

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Added another entry to Broken Base cause hoo boy, people still fight over whether or not Stella actually SA'd Stolas, as well as added a bit to the first one, as with how female characters are treated in Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, the whole 'Stella would not be defended if she was a man' falls flat.


** The revelation that Stella is a sadistic, hateful woman that enjoyed making Stolas miserable had caused some upset in the fandom. Some of Stella's staunch supporters cried foul, accusing the writers of purposefully writing her as such to downplay Stolas' infidelity, and make him come across in a more sympathetic light. The way it was hammered in with the subtlety of a shotgun blast only added fuel to the fire. The other side argues that Stella was always meant to be an awful person, pointing out hints in previous episodes that foreshadowed this reveal. Fans in this camp will usually accuse those who complained about the reveal of clinging on to a toxic DoubleStandard and argue that [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale if Stella and Stolas had been gender-swapped, no one would defend Stella]]. A third party argues that while they had no issue with Stella being portrayed as a evil sadist, they do feel that her characterization comes off as flat and one-note, especially when compared to the other characters in this show, and just wish that she had a motivation for torturing Stolas beyond just pure sadism.

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** The revelation that Stella is a sadistic, hateful woman that enjoyed making Stolas miserable had caused some upset in the fandom. Some of Stella's staunch supporters cried foul, accusing the writers of purposefully writing her as such to downplay Stolas' infidelity, and make him come across in a more sympathetic light. The way it was hammered in with the subtlety of a shotgun blast only added fuel to the fire. The other side argues that Stella was always meant to be an awful person, pointing out hints in previous episodes that foreshadowed this reveal. Fans in this camp will usually accuse those who complained about the reveal of clinging on to a toxic DoubleStandard and argue that [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale if Stella and Stolas had been gender-swapped, no one would defend Stella]].Stella]], though some countered that Stella would actually be defended more based off [[BrokenBase how female characters are usually treated in the series]]. A third party argues that while they had no issue with Stella being portrayed as a evil sadist, they do feel that her characterization comes off as flat and one-note, especially when compared to the other characters in this show, and just wish that she had a motivation for torturing Stolas beyond just pure sadism.



* CatharsisFactor: Both scenes when Stolas calls a divorce on Stella are utterly ''satisfying'', especially since it has been established since the start of the episode {{flashback}} that he was terrified of her and never wanted to marry her in the first place.

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** In the party scene, Stella made a throwaway line about how 'Stolas is terrible in bed' and how he just sat there while she did all the work. This had lead some fans to assume that Stella had sexually assaulted Stolas, leading Stella to become [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil even more vilified]], and fans and defenders of her to be labeled as rape/abuse apologists. Defenders came forth, arguing that they were reading too much into one line, and even brought up how Stella herself didn't want to have sex with him with her following line about 'pretending to want to fuck him' with the consensus being they're both victims of the Ars Goetia family's expectations, with some going as far to say that Stella, while may not be justified in her hatred of Stolas, is a bigger victim, being robbed of her bodily autonomy from being forced to have a child with a man she hates.
* CatharsisFactor: Both scenes when Stolas calls a divorce on Stella are utterly ''satisfying'', especially since it has been established since the start of the episode {{flashback}} that he was terrified of her and never wanted to marry her in the first place.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Stella, according to a lot of people. In Season One, people have speculated on the nature of Stolas and Stella's relationship before the affair, with Octavia and Asmodeus implying that they were once happy together (or at least amicable), and considering how she had hardly a few minutes of screetime within season one (and pretty much all of it amounted to her yelling at someone), people were looking forward to seeing what she was like when she wasn't angry. Some were promptly disappointed that Stella turned out to simply be a horrible person who enjoyed tormenting Stolas and treated him like garbage even before the affair. Not only did it contradict what Octavia said in 'Loo Loo Land', but it removed any complexity from Stolas and Stella's relationship, all but [[BrokenAesop absolving Stolas of cheating on her and the effect it had on his daughter]], not to mention distracting from the fact that what Stolas has with Blitzo started with what is arguably SexualExtortion. Additionally, both Stolas ''and'' Stella were forced into a marriage they didn't want to have a child neither of them wanted, but the episode plays this like ''Stolas'' is the only victim of the situation...because Stella was evil from the moment she was born, shown literally strangling a dog in a childhood photograph. [[SarcasmMode Subtle.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Stella, according to a lot of people. In Season One, people have speculated on the nature of Stolas and Stella's relationship before the affair, with Octavia and Asmodeus implying that they were once happy together (or at least amicable), and considering how she had hardly a few minutes of screetime screentime within season one (and pretty much all of it amounted to her yelling at someone), people were looking forward to seeing what she was like when she wasn't angry. Some were promptly disappointed that Stella turned out to simply be a horrible person who enjoyed tormenting Stolas and treated him like garbage even before the affair. Not only did it contradict what Octavia said in 'Loo Loo Land', but it removed any complexity from Stolas and Stella's relationship, all but [[BrokenAesop absolving Stolas of cheating on her and the effect it had on his daughter]], not to mention distracting from the fact that what Stolas has with Blitzo started with what is arguably SexualExtortion. Additionally, both Stolas ''and'' Stella were forced into a marriage they didn't want to have a child neither of them wanted, but the episode plays this like ''Stolas'' is the only victim of the situation...because Stella was evil from the moment she was born, shown literally strangling a dog in a childhood photograph. [[SarcasmMode Subtle.]]
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** While Fizz is clearly overshadowing Blitzo in the circus scene, does he himself realise that or does he think they're just doing a double act?

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