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* ValuesResonance: While there are several elements of Hermione's SPEW subplot [[ValuesDissonance that have not aged well]], many of her actions during her campaign that the narrative portrays negatively such as [[WhiteMansBurden not having a dialogue with the House Elves to learn and understand their viewpoint on the issues and taking actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful]] still often occur in many real life activism campaigns. The harm that results from these actions has also gained greater awareness in UsefulNotes/TheNewTwenties, making the criticism even more relevant than it was when the book was released.

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* ValuesResonance: While there are several elements of Hermione's SPEW subplot [[ValuesDissonance that have not aged well]], many of her actions during her campaign that the narrative portrays negatively such as [[WhiteMansBurden not having a dialogue with the House Elves to learn and understand their viewpoint on the issues and taking actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful]] still often occur in many real life activism campaigns. The harm that results from these actions has also gained greater awareness in UsefulNotes/TheNewTwenties, TheNewTwenties, making the criticism even more relevant than it was when the book was released.



** Cedric's father has a complete breakdown after finding out about [[spoiler:the death of his son]].

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** Cedric's father Amos Diggory has a complete breakdown after finding out about [[spoiler:the death of his son]].
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** Poor, poor Cedric. The guy was a complete saint, and he was killed for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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** Poor, poor Cedric. The guy was a complete saint, and he was killed for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: Voldemort telling Harry "I can... touch you... now!" And then he does touch Harry (putting a finger on Harry's scar), which leads to Harry screaming, which leads to Voldemort making weird noises to mock his screaming, which [[TheImmodestOrgasm makes the whole scene sound like something else entirely]].
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*** Also during the trial, he may have been aware that his father would never let him off, so he put on the CrocodileTears to make his father look bad in front of the court and destroy his father's reputation.
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* CriticalDissonance: Critical reception was mixed-to-positive, but fans often rank is as among the worst ''Harry Potter'' games.
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* IKnewIt: Not many people were surprised to find out that Snape was once a Death Eater. Even Harry seems more concerned that Snape might have been a FakeDefector rather than about the fact that he was revealed to be a Death Eater in the first place.
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** This books also marks the beginning of JK Rowling phasing out Quidditch as a major subplot. Later, Harry, Fred and George [[spoiler: are given a ''lifetime ban from Quidditch'' by Umbridge in ''Order of the Phoenix,'' and once they're reinstated to the Gryffindor team, Ginny has to sub for Harry when she wins the Quidditch Cup due to detention with Snape in ''Half-Blood Prince,'']] and [[spoiler: Harry drops out of Hogwarts to go Horcrux hunting in ''Deathly Hallows,'' Hogwarts' Quidditch teams go unmentioned, and it's highly likely Voldemort or Snape cancelled the Hogwarts Quidditch Cup for that year as well.]]
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** It's offhandedly mentioned that the pub in Frank Bryce's village is called [[VideoGame/DragonAgeII the Hanged Man.]]
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* MisaimedFandom: The Dark Mark has become a popular tattoo among real life ''Harry Potter'' fans. As in, the tattoo worn by followers of a fanatical blood purity movement, the in-universe equivalent of a swastika.
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Separate fiction from reality, the Death Eaters are based in the nazies, but they are not the same, they are fictional characters and their tatto doesn't mean anything in the real worl


* MisaimedFandom: The Dark Mark has become a popular tattoo among real life ''Harry Potter'' fans. As in, the tattoo worn by followers of a fanatical blood purity movement, the in-universe equivalent of a swastika.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Barty Crouch Sr. is often vilified to an extreme degree. While he was a KnightTemplar and not a great parent, he was still on the side of the good guys and vital in defeating Voldemort's forces.

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Barty Crouch Sr. is often vilified to an extreme degree. While he was a KnightTemplar and not a great parent, he was still on the side of the good guys and vital in defeating Voldemort's forces.forces.
** Some fans portray Viktor asking Hermione to the Ball as evidence that he’s a sex predator. Although he is a seventh-year, keep in mind that Hermione is fifteen at the time, while Viktor may well be seventeen, not that big of an age difference. What’s more, there is nothing to indicate that anything inappropriate took place between them.
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* EvilIsSexy: [[spoiler: Barty Crouch Jr.]] gets this from his fangirls, largely thanks to his [[TragicVillain sympathetic backstory]]. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20220804054053/https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/c/cb/Barty_Book.png/revision/latest?cb=20220220200039 This illustration]] did him a number of favors too, as well as being portrayed by Creator/DavidTennant in the films.



* EvilIsSexy: Barty Crouch Jr. made an impact on audiences for reasons that probably weren't intended, which is pretty much inevitable when you have Creator/DavidTennant playing a villain.
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* ValuesResonance: While there are several elements of Hermione's SPEW subplot [[ValuesDissonance that have not aged well]], many of her actions during her campaign that the narrative portrays negatively such as [[WhiteMansBurden not having a dialogue with the House Elves to learn and understand their viewpoint on the issues and taking actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful]] still often occur in many real life activism campaigns. The harm that results from these actions has also been gained greater awareness in UsefulNotes/TheNewTwenties, making the criticism even more relevant than it was when the book was released.

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* ValuesResonance: While there are several elements of Hermione's SPEW subplot [[ValuesDissonance that have not aged well]], many of her actions during her campaign that the narrative portrays negatively such as [[WhiteMansBurden not having a dialogue with the House Elves to learn and understand their viewpoint on the issues and taking actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful]] still often occur in many real life activism campaigns. The harm that results from these actions has also been gained greater awareness in UsefulNotes/TheNewTwenties, making the criticism even more relevant than it was when the book was released.
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* ValuesResonance: While there are several elements of Hermione's SPEW subplot [[ValuesDissonance that have not aged well]], many of her actions during her campaign that the narrative portrays negatively such as [[WhiteMansBurden not having a dialogue with the House Elves to learn and understand their viewpoint on the issues and taking actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful]] still often occur in many real life activism campaigns. The harm that results from these actions has also been gained greater awareness in UsefulNotes/TheNewTwenties, making the criticism even more relevant than it was when the book was released.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Unlike his calm demeanour in the book, Dumbledore aggressively throttles Harry while interrogating him about his name coming out of the Goblet. Is he angry at Harry himself for seemingly breaking the rules and putting his name in, or is this AngerBornOfWorry that someone else may have done it to put Harry in danger? Possibly both?
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** The offscreen Dementor's action at the end of the book. Did it eat [[spoiler:Barty Crouch Jr.'s]] soul because it recognized him as an escapee from Azkaban and it reacted out of rage? It's already been established that the Dementors hate when someone manages to leave Azkaban. Or did it do it because the Dementors are already in league with Voldemort and it wanted to [[HeKnowsTooMuch prevent him from being able to testify]]?
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** The subplot also eerily foreshadows Rowling's own behavior with regard to her controversies on transgender issues, as Hermione tries to advocate for a group whose views she doesn't try to understand, takes actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful, dismisses information that doesn't suit her narrative, and believes herself an authority on the subject simply because she's read books about it, which is similar to Rowling's own behavior toward the trans community. The fact that Rowling modelled Hermione on herself as a child can make it seem like she was projecting her own flaws onto her.

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** *** The subplot also eerily foreshadows Rowling's own behavior with regard to her controversies on transgender issues, as Hermione tries to advocate for a group whose views she doesn't try to understand, takes actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful, dismisses information that doesn't suit her narrative, and believes herself an authority on the subject simply because she's read books about it, which is similar to Rowling's own behavior toward the trans community. The fact that Rowling modelled Hermione on herself as a child can make it seem like she was projecting her own flaws onto her.
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** The subplot also eerily foreshadows Rowling's own behavior with regard to her controversies on transgender issues, as Hermione tries to advocate for a group whose views she doesn't try to understand, takes actions which the group finds offensive and hurtful, dismisses information that doesn't suit her narrative, and believes herself an authority on the subject simply because she's read books about it, which is similar to Rowling's own behavior toward the trans community. The fact that Rowling modelled Hermione on herself as a child can make it seem like she was projecting her own flaws onto her.
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** Moaning Myrtle flirting with Harry in the bathtub, trying to peek at his crotch, and leaning on his shoulder, considering Creator/DanielRadcliffe was 15 while Myrtle's actress Creator/ShirleyHenderson was around '''40'''.

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** Moaning Myrtle flirting with Harry in the bathtub, trying to peek at his crotch, and leaning on his shoulder, considering Creator/DanielRadcliffe was 15 while Myrtle's actress Creator/ShirleyHenderson was around '''40'''.'''40''', and Henderson very much looked her age in that scene too, making it even squickier.
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** Hermione's House Elf plotline, where Hermione is jokingly portrayed as a SoapboxSadie for opposing the use of House Elves for slave labor, and for protesting the idea of HappinessInSlavery. Fast forward to ''Theater/HarryPotterAndTheCursedChild'', which play caused a hubbub when it cast a black actress to portray Hermione and all of a sudden the portrayal of S.P.E.W. as silly and reactionary becomes two or three times more awkward than it already is.

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** Hermione's House Elf plotline, where Hermione is jokingly portrayed as a SoapboxSadie for opposing the use of House Elves for slave labor, and for protesting the idea of HappinessInSlavery. Fast forward to ''Theater/HarryPotterAndTheCursedChild'', ''Theatre/HarryPotterAndTheCursedChild'', which play caused a hubbub when it cast a black actress to portray Hermione and all of a sudden the portrayal of S.P.E.W. as silly and reactionary becomes two or three times more awkward than it already is.
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** Hermione's House Elf plotline, where Hermione is jokingly portrayed as a SoapboxSadie for opposing the use of House Elves for slave labor, and for protesting the idea of HappinessInSlavery. Fast forward to ''Theater/HarryPotterAndTheCursedChild'', which play caused a hubbub when it cast a black actress to portray Hermione and all of a sudden the portrayal of S.P.E.W. as silly and reactionary becomes two or three times more awkward than it already is.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: At the end of the first level, you get a glimpse of the Dark Mark... which is actually part of the skybox.
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*** Even funnier, Roger Lloyd-Pack who plays Barty Crouch Sr. appeared as a villain during Tennant's run of Doctor Who, essentially switching the sides of morality between father and son.

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*** Even funnier, Roger Lloyd-Pack Creator/RogerLloydPack who plays Barty Crouch Sr. appeared as a villain during Tennant's run of Doctor Who, essentially switching the sides of morality between father and son.
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* EvilIsSexy: [[spoiler: Barty Crouch Jr.]] gets this from his fangirls, largely thanks to his [[TragicVillain sympathetic backstory]]. [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/c/cb/Barty_Book.png/revision/latest?cb=20220220200039 This illustration]] did him a number of favors too, as well as being portrayed by Creator/DavidTennant in the films.

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* EvilIsSexy: [[spoiler: Barty Crouch Jr.]] gets this from his fangirls, largely thanks to his [[TragicVillain sympathetic backstory]]. [[https://static.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20220804054053/https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/c/cb/Barty_Book.png/revision/latest?cb=20220220200039 This illustration]] did him a number of favors too, as well as being portrayed by Creator/DavidTennant in the films.
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* EpilepticTrees: The first printings of the book, both in the UK and US, had James appear before Lily in the Priori Incantatem scene. This would have meant that Lily had actually died ''before'' James, contrary to how Harry's backstory is presented in the previous books. Fans thus wondered if there was some conspiracy-tier significance behind this, making all sorts of theories as to why James could have died later -- until later printings quietly fixed the order and J.K. Rowling later admitted it was just a mistake.

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* EpilepticTrees: The first printings of the book, both in the UK and US, had James appear before Lily in the Priori Incantatem scene. This would have meant that Lily had actually died ''before'' James, contrary to how Harry's backstory is presented in the previous books. Fans thus wondered if there was some conspiracy-tier significance behind this, making all sorts of theories as to why James could have died later -- until later printings quietly fixed the order and J.K. Rowling later admitted it was just a mistake. In the film version, [[TakeAThirdOption James and Lily seem to come out at the same time]].
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This doesn't explain how his crimes are being downplayed. The idea he wouldn't have turned evil if his father loved him seems like the intended message, and the implication that only female fans defend him seems inappropriate.


* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler: Barty Crouch Jr.]] has a fair amount of fangirls who are convinced that he just needed his [[WellDoneSonGuy father's love]] to make him a better person, with many of them [[RonTheDeathEater vilifying]] [[spoiler: Barty Crouch Sr.]] as a result. This is despite the fact that he [[spoiler: helped torture the Longbottoms into insanity, [[{{Patricide}} killed his own father]] (Although he [[{{Jerkass}} wasn't a very nice person]], murder is hardly excusable.), is indirectly responsible for killing Cedric, and brought the world's most evil wizard back to power.]] Creator/DavidTennant portraying him in the films increased this quite a bit.
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** Cedric's father after [[spoiler:the death of his son]], not to mentioned Cedric himself throughout the book when you know what happens to him.

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** Cedric's father has a complete breakdown after finding out about [[spoiler:the death of his son]], not to mentioned Cedric himself throughout the book when you know what happens to him.son]].

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